I don't have my Obenchains under my nose for specifics, but I think this was the list that informed me "they were very poor" (not surprising) but didn't find anything else. I first know dates, etc., about them when they somehow got over to U.S. & swore oath of allegiance to country at time of American Revolution. Thank goodness for their timing; now that I'm in D.A.R. I was able to claim them as 2 of my 9 Revolutionary War era ancestors. (I thank D.A.R. for laying down strict rules for membership, so that most of my known cousins have been proved by b-d-m records I've personally had to have or other people's "proved" research.) I've also learned that I'm one of the thousands of descendants worldwide of Ulrich Zug, Switzerland. My symphony stand partner, closely related to Zooks from Champaign Co., talked freely and often about his Zooks and German-Swiss ancestry (one of his Zook-Yoder cousins played viola in this same orchestra) - but it took me at least 10 years to learn that Zug=Zook and we're distant cousins. My county of Clark apparently at one time was overrun by a load of my Leffel cousins - but until Mother and I concentrated upon that line (her paternal grandfather Drake's) did we learn the truth about just how many descendants of Daniel Leffel (and Balthazar Leffel, the original "proved" ancestor) were living sometimes a block away from each other and had no idea there was blood relationship. We certainly weren't "kissing" cousins - my Mort neighbors and his Mort daughter married to our paperboy Kurtz's father are an interesting example. I've found through investigating backward through our English lines that many who intermarried with Germans and French and our line of Leffels tended to have generations of multiple siblings. Of course, same could be said of my father's basic Scottish, Irish, English, German ancestors. In my case my genealogy finally came down to two only children marrying and having an only with dozens of cousins. Janet