I have a question...Is there any chance that Rupp and Rapp could have ever been the same?? I have Rapps from Abenheim in Hessen Darmstadt 1796, and would love to know where they migrated to there from. Twila -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 9:57 am Subject: [HESSE] A question on surnames Should I consider Rupp as a separate surname from Ruppel? I have at least one confirmed case in this town where Rupel was used in naming a Rupp, but that could be an isolated incident. Thanks, Brian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A very badly written u or a could be interpreted as the other. Or an illegible page may lead to confusion. Even worse is if the a has an umlaut over it. What is the source of your data on the placename? My Rupps are from Assenheim, until you go back far enough, in which case I haven't yet figured out exactly where they came from, although I have clues. I believe I also have seen Rapps in Assenheim, and/or in other places in the German states. So unless you have actual source documents it is hard to say what your ancestors' names were, and even then the person entering the record may have gotten it wrong. Consider I have about 5000 records on my family, and if only 1 out 500 has a mistake in the name that would be 10 records with an incorrect name. the percentage is considerably higher than that, at least for the ones I can prove with certainty. the best proof is to gather as many sources as you can on a person, and rule out other explanations. I have persons who have gone through three or four different spellings of their lastname over their life (but most of them were French). Strange coincidence Abenheim vs. Assenheim. I have Rupps in Assenheim beginning in the late 1600s, and on in to the 1800s at least. But, I'm just beginning to work that line. On Fri, April 10, 2009 9:36 am, [email protected] wrote: > I have a question...Is there any chance that Rupp and Rapp could have ever > been the same?? I have Rapps from Abenheim in Hessen Darmstadt 1796, and > would love to know where they migrated to there from. > > Twila > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 9:57 am > Subject: [HESSE] A question on surnames > > > > Should I consider Rupp as a separate surname from Ruppel? I have at least > one confirmed case in this town where Rupel was used in naming a Rupp, but > that could be an isolated incident. > > Thanks, > Brian > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

Just a little comment on "Abenheim in Hessen Darmstadt 1796". Abenheim first became part of the Grand-Duchy of Hessen (a.k.a. Hessen-Darmstadt) after the Napoleonian time and the congress of Vienna in 1816. Thus in 1796 Abenheim has never been Hessian. Until 1797 it belonged to the noble family of Dalberg. Then it was occupied and annected by France.  Regards, Thierry   Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Freitag, den 10. April 2009, 19:04:30 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] Rupp - Rapp A very badly written u or a could be interpreted as the other. Or an illegible page may lead to confusion. Even worse is if the a has an umlaut over it. What is the source of your data on the placename? My Rupps are from Assenheim, until you go back far enough, in which case I haven't yet figured out exactly where they came from, although I have clues. I believe I also have seen Rapps in Assenheim, and/or in other places in the German states. So unless you have actual source documents it is hard to say what your ancestors' names were, and even then the person entering the record may have gotten it wrong.  Consider I have about 5000 records on my family, and if only 1 out 500 has a mistake in the name that would be 10 records with an incorrect name. the percentage is considerably higher than that, at least for the ones I can prove with certainty. the best proof is to gather as many sources as you can on a person, and rule out other explanations. I have persons who have gone through three or four different spellings of their lastname over their life (but most of them were French). Strange coincidence Abenheim vs. Assenheim. I have Rupps in Assenheim beginning in the late 1600s, and on in to the 1800s at least. But, I'm just beginning to work that line. On Fri, April 10, 2009 9:36 am, [email protected] wrote: > I have a question...Is there any chance that Rupp and Rapp could have ever > been the same?? I have Rapps from Abenheim in Hessen Darmstadt 1796, and > would love to know where they migrated to there from. > > Twila > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 9:57 am > Subject: [HESSE] A question on surnames > > > > Should I consider Rupp as a separate surname from Ruppel? I have at least > one confirmed case in this town where Rupel was used in naming a Rupp, but > that could be an isolated incident. > > Thanks, > Brian > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks.? I will look for that as I continue to pursue this line.? So far from the US to Abenheim it has clearly been "RAPP".? I just?wondered about the?possibility that it may have evolved from "RUPP".? I will of course trace them generation to generation keeping that in mind.? Valentine Rapp is the earliest ancestor on that line so far, and as you can see below his father is Philip and mother Eva, but there are no earlier films showing their marriage or births.? Now that I've said that I think I'm going to take another look.? It's been a long time since I've looked at that film.? Abenheim Parish Records, Film number 0949093 which is Roll 2, Page 65, 5th entry from the bottom of the page shows Eva and the mother and Philip Rapp as father of Valentine Rapp, baptized 3 june 1781 in Abenheim, Hessen-Darmstadt, Germany Thanks for your response, and that is a very interesting coincidence. Twila -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 1:04 pm Subject: Re: [HESSE] Rupp - Rapp A very badly written u or a could be interpreted as the other. Or an illegible page may lead to confusion. Even worse is if the a has an umlaut over it. What is the source of your data on the placename? My Rupps are from Assenheim, until you go back far enough, in which case I haven't yet figured out exactly where they came from, although I have clues. I believe I also have seen Rapps in Assenheim, and/or in other places in the German states. So unless you have actual source documents it is hard to say what your ancestors' names were, and even then the person entering the record may have gotten it wrong. Consider I have about 5000 records on my family, and if only 1 out 500 has a mistake in the name that would be 10 records with an incorrect name. the percentage is considerably higher than that, at least for the ones I can prove with certainty. the best proof is to gather as many sources as you can on a person, and rule out other explanations. I have persons who have gone through three or four different spellings of their lastname over their life (but most of them were French). Strange coincidence Abenheim vs. Assenheim. I have Rupps in Assenheim beginning in the late 1600s, and on in to the 1800s at least. But, I'm just beginning to work that line. On Fri, April 10, 2009 9:36 am, [email protected] wrote: > I have a question...Is there any chance that Rupp and Rapp could have ever > been the same?? I have Rapps from Abenheim in Hessen Darmstadt 1796, and > would love to know where they migrated to there from. > > Twila > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 9:57 am > Subject: [HESSE] A question on surnames > > > > Should I consider Rupp as a separate surname from Ruppel? I have at least > one confirmed case in this town where Rupel was used in naming a Rupp, but > that could be an isolated incident. > > Thanks, > Brian > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Possible. You need to confirm this for your specific case in searching backwards for common ancestors. Regards, Thierry   Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Freitag, den 10. April 2009, 16:36:47 Uhr Betreff: [HESSE] Rupp - Rapp I have a question...Is there any chance that Rupp and Rapp could have ever been the same?? I have Rapps from Abenheim in Hessen Darmstadt 1796, and would love to know where they migrated to there from. Twila -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 9:57 am Subject: [HESSE] A question on surnames Should I consider Rupp as a separate surname from Ruppel? I have at least one confirmed case in this town where Rupel was used in naming a Rupp, but that could be an isolated incident. Thanks, Brian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I understand.? Thank you. I wonder if anyone has any direction for me in my Rapp search.? I've researched then from the US back to Abenheim with the help of an old family letter that took me to?the church records in Abenheim, but?there is no mention in those records where they?were before then 1796.? Was there a pattern of migration at this time?? Should I look in neighboring towns?? Is there?another resource for?this time period?? Any direction would help.? Thanks again. Twila -----Original Message----- From: Thierry Dietrich <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:56 am Subject: Re: [HESSE] Rupp - Rapp Possible. You need to confirm this for your specific case in searching backwards for common ancestors. Regards, Thierry ? Dr. Thierry?P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Freitag, den 10. April 2009, 16:36:47 Uhr Betreff: [HESSE] Rupp - Rapp I have a question...Is there any chance that Rupp and Rapp could have ever been the same?? I have Rapps from Abenheim in Hessen Darmstadt 1796, and would love to know where they migrated to there from. Twila -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 9:57 am Subject: [HESSE] A question on surnames Should I consider Rupp as a separate surname from Ruppel? I have at least one confirmed case in this town where Rupel was used in naming a Rupp, but that could be an isolated incident. Thanks, Brian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message