Thanks Thierry and Nancy. I've found his death in 1848 and they give his name as Schatzberg. He had only daughters so his surname branch is dead, although he may have living descendants. He was the older half-brother to my ancestor. So the Holy Isenberg court? Am I safe in assuming there might be a better record there? It might even be the father's church? Am I also right in thinking this would be in the location of present day Neu-Isenberg, near Frankfurt? Could this have also been because the priest wouldn't baptize him in the local church, and why go to Frankfurt instead of Hanau? Very confusing. Might the birth be recorded in the Hanau military church records also? They might prove more useful, if so. Hanover might be a clue to the soldie's point of origin? Or would that be normal to refer to a Hanau soldier as Haonverian? I mean Hanover is pretty far removed from Hesse. THank you, Brian On Sun, April 5, 2009 5:17 pm, Thierry Dietrich wrote: > Here is my try... > > > Den 2ten Febr.[uar] Abends Uhr brachte Johannetta Engelbachin > einem uneh[e]lichen Sohn zur Welt, den 3ten d. M. [des Monats] > empfinng er in der H.[eiligen] Tauf von dem Isenburg[ischen] > Gerichtsknecht > Joh.[ann] Bernhard Krauß den Nahmen Joh.[ann] Bernhard, der Vater soll > seyn ein Hanöver[anischer] Soldat in Hanau Friedrich Schazberg unter des > Maior Degens Compagnie. >   > My additions in brackets [xyz]. >   > "Schazberg" does not exist as name today. Very rare is Schatzberg, which > indeed would be the most likely spelling today. "Schutzberg" is rare as > well. Only very few occurrences each today in Germany. >   > Some letters are difficult to interpret, but all in all I should be quite > close...  ;-) >   > Regards, >   > Thierry >   > Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich > > D-61250 Usingen > > > > > ________________________________ > Von: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > An: [email protected] > Gesendet: Sonntag, den 5. April 2009, 17:17:19 Uhr > Betreff: Re: [HESSE] Some help on a record please > > I've reduced the resolution by ~70% on this record. > > It can be gotten by going to my site and clicking on the link for > Johann Bernhard Schatzberg baptism. I've modified my research page so > it doesn't show the pictures, but just links to them. Someday I may > actually make a real research page. > > http://www.amason.net/~brian/scans.html > > or directly > http://www.amason.net/~brian/images/JohBernSchatzberg1771Bir.jpg > > As you can see, I've changed my interpretation of the father's name from > an "l" to a "t". > > Thanks, > Brian > > > On Sun, April 5, 2009 6:29 am, Thierry Dietrich wrote: >> Pls. send me a link to a scan of the original document. >> >> Then I might be able to help you. >> >> Thx & cheers, >> >> Thierry >>   >> Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich >> >> D-61250 Usingen >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> Von: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> An: [email protected] >> Gesendet: Sonntag, den 5. April 2009, 09:03:05 Uhr >> Betreff: [HESSE] Some help on a record please >> >> 1771 Assenheim Chiruch baptism list. >> >> "2 Feb abend [blank] Uhr <O?>rachte Johannetta Engelbachin >> mit einen unehelich Sohn (ein der) zur?velt. 3 d. m. >> empfieng er in der H. Kauf von dem Jsenburg<f> Gerichts ßn?cht >> Joh. Bernhard Kraus den Nahmen Joh. Bernhard den Vater sol? >> sei<g/p/q>n ein Handwerk Soldat in Hanau Friederich <Schalz>berg unter >> des >> Maior Deyen Compagnie." >> >> Johannetta Elisabetta was 23 at this time. I've tried to fill in some >> guess in the letters I'm unsure about. The capital Hs look like they >> could >> be Ls. >> >> What the heck could the H. Kauf phrase be about? >> >> I'm guessing, she naming Friederich Schalzberg as the father. >> >> There's a note that Bernhard died 19 Mar 1848 in the side margin. >> >> I have a picture of this, but it's quite large (a 10MP camera). I'll try >> shrinking down the resolution to a reasonable size (in case anyone wants >> to see it). >> >> Thanks, >> Brian >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

Brian, I can't help you much with the geography part. I do think that often baptisms were done by the protocol of a central church or jurisdiction. Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Some help on a record please Thanks Thierry and Nancy. I've found his death in 1848 and they give his name as Schatzberg. He had only daughters so his surname branch is dead, although he may have living descendants. He was the older half-brother to my ancestor. So the Holy Isenberg court? Am I safe in assuming there might be a better record there? It might even be the father's church? Am I also right in thinking this would be in the location of present day Neu-Isenberg, near Frankfurt? Could this have also been because the priest wouldn't baptize him in the local church, and why go to Frankfurt instead of Hanau? Very confusing. Might the birth be recorded in the Hanau military church records also? They might prove more useful, if so. Hanover might be a clue to the soldie's point of origin? Or would that be normal to refer to a Hanau soldier as Haonverian? I mean Hanover is pretty far removed from Hesse. THank you, Brian On Sun, April 5, 2009 5:17 pm, Thierry Dietrich wrote: > Here is my try... > > > Den 2ten Febr.[uar] Abends Uhr brachte Johannetta Engelbachin > einem uneh[e]lichen Sohn zur Welt, den 3ten d. M. [des Monats] > empfinng er in der H.[eiligen] Tauf von dem Isenburg[ischen] > Gerichtsknecht > Joh.[ann] Bernhard Krauß den Nahmen Joh.[ann] Bernhard, der Vater soll > seyn ein Hanöver[anischer] Soldat in Hanau Friedrich Schazberg unter des > Maior Degens Compagnie. > > My additions in brackets [xyz]. > > "Schazberg" does not exist as name today. Very rare is Schatzberg, which > indeed would be the most likely spelling today. "Schutzberg" is rare as > well. Only very few occurrences each today in Germany. > > Some letters are difficult to interpret, but all in all I should be quite > close... ;-) > > Regards, > > Thierry > > Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich > > D-61250 Usingen > > > > > ________________________________ > Von: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > An: [email protected] > Gesendet: Sonntag, den 5. April 2009, 17:17:19 Uhr > Betreff: Re: [HESSE] Some help on a record please > > I've reduced the resolution by ~70% on this record. > > It can be gotten by going to my site and clicking on the link for > Johann Bernhard Schatzberg baptism. I've modified my research page so > it doesn't show the pictures, but just links to them. Someday I may > actually make a real research page. > > http://www.amason.net/~brian/scans.html > > or directly > http://www.amason.net/~brian/images/JohBernSchatzberg1771Bir.jpg > > As you can see, I've changed my interpretation of the father's name from > an "l" to a "t". > > Thanks, > Brian > > > On Sun, April 5, 2009 6:29 am, Thierry Dietrich wrote: >> Pls. send me a link to a scan of the original document. >> >> Then I might be able to help you. >> >> Thx & cheers, >> >> Thierry >> >> Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich >> >> D-61250 Usingen >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> Von: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> An: [email protected] >> Gesendet: Sonntag, den 5. April 2009, 09:03:05 Uhr >> Betreff: [HESSE] Some help on a record please >> >> 1771 Assenheim Chiruch baptism list. >> >> "2 Feb abend [blank] Uhr <O?>rachte Johannetta Engelbachin >> mit einen unehelich Sohn (ein der) zur?velt. 3 d. m. >> empfieng er in der H. Kauf von dem Jsenburg<f> Gerichts ßn?cht >> Joh. Bernhard Kraus den Nahmen Joh. Bernhard den Vater sol? >> sei<g/p/q>n ein Handwerk Soldat in Hanau Friederich <Schalz>berg unter >> des >> Maior Deyen Compagnie." >> >> Johannetta Elisabetta was 23 at this time. I've tried to fill in some >> guess in the letters I'm unsure about. The capital Hs look like they >> could >> be Ls. >> >> What the heck could the H. Kauf phrase be about? >> >> I'm guessing, she naming Friederich Schalzberg as the father. >> >> There's a note that Bernhard died 19 Mar 1848 in the side margin. >> >> I have a picture of this, but it's quite large (a 10MP camera). I'll try >> shrinking down the resolution to a reasonable size (in case anyone wants >> to see it). >> >> Thanks, >> Brian >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message