I think that was supposed to be 1813, or else how would he immigrate and have 2 children by 1855? also, not that Marie looks very much life wife #2 or greater. At 1813 he'd have been ~31 and ~36 where Marie would have been 14 & 19. Possible but improbable. It's unlikely either child was Marie's. And it's likely this marriage happened 1850-1854 in Hanau. There for searching Hanau for deaths in the 1849-1854 range would be probably a good place to start. Also looking for the marriage in that time frame. Which should give a closer approximation to the immigration date, and there, might even be a note about them immigrating. My suggestions for Parish is to start in the US, in the church they were members of. Look for baptisms and marriages of the two children. In a German Reformed Church you will probably find a place of birth listed in any such events. Brian On Wed, February 23, 2011 8:46 am, Fred H Held wrote: > Marsha, > > Please clarify your query. How can the husband be born on 31 May 1913 > and his wife on 02 Dec 1830? Where did they live in America? > > At 02:00 AM 2/23/2011, you wrote: >>From: Marsha <mstesdal@verizon.net> >>Subject: [HESSE] KIESLING in HANAU, HESSE >>To: HESSE@rootsweb.com >> >>Hoping to find Parish records for birth, death and marriage dates for >>the family members of Andreas Kiesling, b. 31 May 1913 and his wife, >>Marie Seifert Kiesling b. 02 Dec 1830 in Hanau, Hesse. >>Emigrated to USA: Before 1855 with two children. >>Children: >>Frederick Kiesling, b. Abt 1844 in Hanau, Hesse, Germany. Emigrated >>to USA with parents. >>Catharine Kiesling, b. Abt 1849 in Hanau, Hesse, Germany. Emigrated >>to USA with parents >> >>Suggestions for locating the parish-Family attended German Reform >>Church in USA. >> >>M. Tesdal > > ____________________________________________________________ > Dermatologists Hate Her > Local Mom Reveals $5 Trick to Erase Wrinkles. Shocking Results Exposed > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4d651dad3d3be4369d6st06duc > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thanks for the good suggestions: I have attempted to locate the Lutheran Church in New York City for Baptisms/Marriages of Marie Helena b. 31 Oct 1855 and Caroline Kiessling 1b. 858 without success. I then thought it might be easier to find the Lutheran Church Baptism/Marriage record for Louise b. 1864 in Jersey City, NJ (Jersey City had around 10 German Lutheran Churches in the 1800s) so not successful in locating it yet. Since Frederick and Catharine were born in Germany, I thought maybe it would be time to try to find the Lutheran Parish in Hanau that had like you said a death of a first wife, a marriage of Mary/Marie Seifert to Andeas/Andrew in USA Kiessling, and Baptism of two children? I still would like to find the name of the parish in or near Hanau to see if this is possible. Marsha OK. Andreas Kiesling b. Abt 31 May 1813 Hanau, Germany d. 06 Dec 1893 Jersey City, NJ and Mary/Marie Seifert b. Abt 02 Dec 1830 d. 16 Feb 1907(Based on NJ Death Certificates) Child born in USA 1855 and 1858 - so I assumed that they emigrated before 1855. Children: Frederick b. Abt 1844 Germany Catharine b. Abt 1849 Germany Marie Helena b. 13 Oct 1855 Germany Caroline b. Abt 1858 in New York City Louise b. Abt 1864 in Jersey City, New Jersey. Their Daughter: Marie Helena Kiesling (b. 13 Oct 1855 ) married Edward Roth Abt 1875 in New York City - I am trying to locate the Lutheran Church based on where they lived on the Lower East Side according to US Census. Their Children: a Dtr b. 24 April 1882; Ernest Roth b. 13 May 1884 and d. 28 Dec 1970; Herman Roth b. 1 Aug 1885; George Roth b. Feb 1888; Catherine Roth b. 31 March 1891 m. 07 Oct 1911 in Jersey City NJ d. 04 Dec 1963 Burial Hillside Cemetery, Lyndhurst, NJ; Louise Roth b. 1892. Since I found a document citing Hanau On 2/23/2011 10:34 AM, brian@amason.net wrote: > I think that was supposed to be 1813, > or else how would he immigrate and have 2 children by 1855? > also, not that Marie looks very much life wife #2 or greater. > > At 1813 he'd have been ~31 and ~36 where Marie would have been 14& 19. > Possible but improbable. > > It's unlikely either child was Marie's. > > And it's likely this marriage happened 1850-1854 in Hanau. > > There for searching Hanau for deaths in the 1849-1854 range would be > probably a good place to start. Also looking for the marriage in that time > frame. Which should give a closer approximation to the immigration date, > and there, might even be a note about them immigrating. > > My suggestions for Parish is to start in the US, in the church they were > members of. Look for baptisms and marriages of the two children. In a > German > Reformed Church you will probably find a place of birth listed in any such > events. > > Brian > > > On Wed, February 23, 2011 8:46 am, Fred H Held wrote: >> Marsha, >> >> Please clarify your query. How can the husband be born on 31 May 1913 >> and his wife on 02 Dec 1830? Where did they live in America? >> >> At 02:00 AM 2/23/2011, you wrote: >>> From: Marsha<mstesdal@verizon.net> >>> Subject: [HESSE] KIESLING in HANAU, HESSE >>> To: HESSE@rootsweb.com >>> >>> Hoping to find Parish records for birth, death and marriage dates for >>> the family members of Andreas Kiesling, b. 31 May 1913 and his wife, >>> Marie Seifert Kiesling b. 02 Dec 1830 in Hanau, Hesse. >>> Emigrated to USA: Before 1855 with two children. >>> Children: >>> Frederick Kiesling, b. Abt 1844 in Hanau, Hesse, Germany. Emigrated >>> to USA with parents. >>> Catharine Kiesling, b. Abt 1849 in Hanau, Hesse, Germany. Emigrated >>> to USA with parents >>> >>> Suggestions for locating the parish-Family attended German Reform >>> Church in USA. >>> >>> M. Tesdal >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Dermatologists Hate Her >> Local Mom Reveals $5 Trick to Erase Wrinkles. Shocking Results Exposed >> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4d651dad3d3be4369d6st06duc >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks for the good suggestions: I have attempted to locate the Lutheran Church in New York City for Baptisms/Marriages of Marie Helena b. 31 Oct 1855 and Caroline Kiessling 1b. 858 without success. I then thought it might be easier to find the Lutheran Church Baptism/Marriage record for Louise b. 1864 in Jersey City, NJ (Jersey City had around 10 German Lutheran Churches in the 1800s) so not successful in locating it yet. Since Frederick and Catharine were born in Germany, I thought maybe it would be time to try to find the Lutheran Parish in Hanau that had like you said a death of a first wife, a marriage of Mary/Marie Seifert to Andeas/Andrew in USA Kiessling, and Baptism of two children? I still would like to find the name of the parish in or near Hanau to see if this is possible. Marsha OK. Andreas Kiesling b. Abt 31 May 1813 Hanau, Germany d. 06 Dec 1893 Jersey City, NJ and Mary/Marie Seifert b. Abt 02 Dec 1830 d. 16 Feb 1907(Based on NJ Death Certificates) Child born in USA 1855 and 1858 - so I assumed that they emigrated before 1855. Children: Frederick b. Abt 1844 Germany Catharine b. Abt 1849 Germany Marie Helena b. 13 Oct 1855 Germany Caroline b. Abt 1858 in New York City Louise b. Abt 1864 in Jersey City, New Jersey. Their Daughter: Marie Helena Kiesling (b. 13 Oct 1855 ) married Edward Roth Abt 1875 in New York City - I am trying to locate the Lutheran Church based on where they lived on the Lower East Side according to US Census. Their Children: a Dtr b. 24 April 1882; Ernest Roth b. 13 May 1884 and d. 28 Dec 1970; Herman Roth b. 1 Aug 1885; George Roth b. Feb 1888; Catherine Roth b. 31 March 1891 m. 07 Oct 1911 in Jersey City NJ d. 04 Dec 1963 Burial Hillside Cemetery, Lyndhurst, NJ; Louise Roth b. 1892. Since I found a document citing Hanau On 2/23/2011 10:34 AM,brian@amason.net wrote: > > I think that was supposed to be 1813, > > or else how would he immigrate and have 2 children by 1855? > > also, not that Marie looks very much life wife #2 or greater. > > > > At 1813 he'd have been ~31 and ~36 where Marie would have been 14& 19. > > Possible but improbable. > > > > It's unlikely either child was Marie's. > > > > And it's likely this marriage happened 1850-1854 in Hanau. > > > > There for searching Hanau for deaths in the 1849-1854 range would be > > probably a good place to start. Also looking for the marriage in that time > > frame. Which should give a closer approximation to the immigration date, > > and there, might even be a note about them immigrating. > > > > My suggestions for Parish is to start in the US, in the church they were > > members of. Look for baptisms and marriages of the two children. In a > > German > > Reformed Church you will probably find a place of birth listed in any such > > events. > > > > Brian > > > > > > On Wed, February 23, 2011 8:46 am, Fred H Held wrote: >> >> Marsha, >> >> >> >> Please clarify your query. How can the husband be born on 31 May 1913 >> >> and his wife on 02 Dec 1830? Where did they live in America? >> >> >> >> At 02:00 AM 2/23/2011, you wrote: >>> >>> From: Marsha<mstesdal@verizon.net> >>> >>> Subject: [HESSE] KIESLING in HANAU, HESSE >>> >>> To:HESSE@rootsweb.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Hoping to find Parish records for birth, death and marriage dates for >>> >>> the family members of Andreas Kiesling, b. 31 May 1913 and his wife, >>> >>> Marie Seifert Kiesling b. 02 Dec 1830 in Hanau, Hesse. >>> >>> Emigrated to USA: Before 1855 with two children. >>> >>> Children: >>> >>> Frederick Kiesling, b. Abt 1844 in Hanau, Hesse, Germany. Emigrated >>> >>> to USA with parents. >>> >>> Catharine Kiesling, b. Abt 1849 in Hanau, Hesse, Germany. Emigrated >>> >>> to USA with parents >>> >>> >>> >>> Suggestions for locating the parish-Family attended German Reform >>> >>> Church in USA. >>> >>> >>> >>> M. Tesdal >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> >> Dermatologists Hate Her >> >> Local Mom Reveals $5 Trick to Erase Wrinkles. Shocking Results Exposed >> >> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4d651dad3d3be4369d6st06duc >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toHESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toHESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message On 2/23/2011 10:34 AM, brian@amason.net wrote: > I think that was supposed to be 1813, > or else how would he immigrate and have 2 children by 1855? > also, not that Marie looks very much life wife #2 or greater. > > At 1813 he'd have been ~31 and ~36 where Marie would have been 14& 19. > Possible but improbable. > > It's unlikely either child was Marie's. > > And it's likely this marriage happened 1850-1854 in Hanau. > > There for searching Hanau for deaths in the 1849-1854 range would be > probably a good place to start. Also looking for the marriage in that time > frame. Which should give a closer approximation to the immigration date, > and there, might even be a note about them immigrating. > > My suggestions for Parish is to start in the US, in the church they were > members of. Look for baptisms and marriages of the two children. In a > German > Reformed Church you will probably find a place of birth listed in any such > events. > > Brian > > > On Wed, February 23, 2011 8:46 am, Fred H Held wrote: >> Marsha, >> >> Please clarify your query. How can the husband be born on 31 May 1913 >> and his wife on 02 Dec 1830? Where did they live in America? >> >> At 02:00 AM 2/23/2011, you wrote: >>> From: Marsha<mstesdal@verizon.net> >>> Subject: [HESSE] KIESLING in HANAU, HESSE >>> To: HESSE@rootsweb.com >>> >>> Hoping to find Parish records for birth, death and marriage dates for >>> the family members of Andreas Kiesling, b. 31 May 1913 and his wife, >>> Marie Seifert Kiesling b. 02 Dec 1830 in Hanau, Hesse. >>> Emigrated to USA: Before 1855 with two children. >>> Children: >>> Frederick Kiesling, b. Abt 1844 in Hanau, Hesse, Germany. Emigrated >>> to USA with parents. >>> Catharine Kiesling, b. Abt 1849 in Hanau, Hesse, Germany. Emigrated >>> to USA with parents >>> >>> Suggestions for locating the parish-Family attended German Reform >>> Church in USA. >>> >>> M. Tesdal >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Dermatologists Hate Her >> Local Mom Reveals $5 Trick to Erase Wrinkles. 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