?I've read the list discussion and I can understand why you are having some problems with the information found at: https://www.familysearch.org/s/collection/list#page=1&countryId=1927074 If you figure out how to use it and find a document about your ancestor(s), I can translate it. Be aware that if the demand takes up too much of my time I'll have to ask for a contribution based upon the time and difficulty. I don't charge a regular fee anymore. When I get some time I'll take a closer look, see if I can offer some helpful insights into how to use it. :-) Don Watson

Looking for help with name of "John Wolfschker" Was used in an english ad of 1858 which listed 6 other local businessmen of various backgrounds. No major spelling errors. The newspaper editor was German. Google search on Wolfschker gives zero results. The name looks reasonable but must be something else. Wolfscher gives very limited hits but then begs the question as to why the editor would add a "k" to the name unless he was familiar with the name and realized the addition to the submission was needed Any ideas? JK

Hi JK, It does not matter what background any of us come from, we all make mistakes. The only way I would possible give it creedence is if it appeared over and over again numerous times. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: admin To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> Sent: 16 February, 2011 3:04 PM Subject: [HESSE] Variation on Wolfschker > Looking for help with name of "John Wolfschker" > > Was used in an english ad of 1858 which listed 6 other local > businessmen of various backgrounds. No major spelling errors. The > newspaper editor was German. > > Google search on Wolfschker gives zero results. > > The name looks reasonable but must be something else. > > Wolfscher gives very limited hits but then begs the question as to why > the editor would add a "k" to the name unless he was familiar with the > name and realized the addition to the submission was needed > > Any ideas? > > JK

Hello Listers! I seem to be having a political argument with a cousin who still insists that our Born family came from Alsace, Lorraine. Even though I actually found the exit docs, thanks to Alexis (on this list) in the town of Alzey, Hessen, Darmstadt, Germany in 1836. Is there ANYONE out there who can tell me if Alzey was EVER part of Alsace, Lorrain, and what time period? I send my eternal thanks in advance..... Kathy Cochran ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3418 - Release Date: 02/02/11

On Feb 28, 2011, at 10:22 AM, Kathy Cochran wrote: > I seem to be having a political argument with a cousin who still > insists > that our Born family came from Alsace, Lorraine. Even though I > actually > found the exit docs, thanks to Alexis (on this list) in the town of > Alzey, > Hessen, Darmstadt, Germany in 1836. Is there ANYONE out there who > can tell > me if Alzey was EVER part of Alsace, Lorrain, and what time period? The question has come up before in other mail lists: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/PABERKS/2005-03/1110651508 The short answer is no, Alzey was never a part of Alsace but both were part of Rheinland-Pfalz for a period of time. Could this be where your cousin's confusion originated? Alzey was part of Hesse-Darmstadt in the 18th and 19th centuries. Does your cousin have any documents that might point to an origin at some point for some folks with the Born surname? Did any of them emigrate to the USA and indicate Alsace as their point of origin? Were some of them originally from Alsace, then Alzey? Documentation is key in this instance, particularly church or civil records. Even with documentation it's possible that your cousin may not be convinced. Regards, Debra MacLaughlan-Dumes http://sakionline.net/familypage

This is my understanding of the situation: The Alsace/Lorraine region is/was a state that under different political circumstances was in either Germany or France. It is currently a part of France. Alzey, however, has always been in the German state of Hesse-Darmstadt. The confusion, as I see it is in the fact that on various occasions, as a result of war, that part of Hesse-Darmstadt on the west side of the Rhein River has been occupied by France, i.e., the Napoleonic Wars, WWI and WWII. In each instance the territory was eventually returned to the German state. Alsace and Lorraine are the same place, called Alsace by the Germans and Lorraine by the French. Hessen is north and east of Alsace/Lorraine, and is well within the borders of present day Germany. This state does not share a border with France, and was only under French control as an occupied territory. I am sure if I have gotten this wrong, someone more knowledgeable will correct me. Marleen Van Horne

So far, I've been getting some marvelous responses to my query! Thank you all! I guess my cousin just wants to believe the fairy story about Alsace-Lorraine for some reason, and doesn't want to know about any facts. That will be her choice! Oh well..... From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marleen Van Horne Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:14 PM To: hesse@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) This is my understanding of the situation: The Alsace/Lorraine region is/was a state that under different political circumstances was in either Germany or France. It is currently a part of France. Alzey, however, has always been in the German state of Hesse-Darmstadt. The confusion, as I see it is in the fact that on various occasions, as a result of war, that part of Hesse-Darmstadt on the west side of the Rhein River has been occupied by France, i.e., the Napoleonic Wars, WWI and WWII. In each instance the territory was eventually returned to the German state. Alsace and Lorraine are the same place, called Alsace by the Germans and Lorraine by the French. Hessen is north and east of Alsace/Lorraine, and is well within the borders of present day Germany. This state does not share a border with France, and was only under French control as an occupied territory. I am sure if I have gotten this wrong, someone more knowledgeable will correct me. Marleen Van Horne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3473 - Release Date: 02/28/11