Two excellent suggestions! Thank you both. I'll start on Ancestry, just don't recall if they have outgoing manifests, but I fear as early as 1862 probably won't have a very detailed "final destination," if one at all. He was born in Arnshain, Hesse-Darmstadt. I have the parish records, will have to look again to see which relatives were still alive that he might be visiting. Were there any type of directories or parish directories that might have him listed? He had a US passport, was that all he needed to travel from country to country at that time? You are helping me already. Susan Sent from my iPhone Bobbie wrote: he might have needed some kind of permission to stay or to leave. Also, he might show up in a baptismal record. Pat wrote: > Also, the passenger list could indicate where > he was headed from America to Europe. > > Pat McCoy, M.S. > > Addiction Psychology > > Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! > =============================================== > > > ________________________________ > From: Susan Curelopp <noshowclc@aol.com> > To: "hesse@rootsweb.com" <hesse@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sun, April 3, 2011 1:57:33 AM > Subject: Re: [HESSE] German-Americans in the Civil War - Wikipedia, the free > encyclope... > > Thank you Bobbi, Kim, and Pat, for your suggestions. I know just about all I > need on my great grandfather from 1849-1862, then 1865-his death, all here in > the U.S. What I'm wondering is, other than a marriage record in 1865 Zug, > Switzerland (which I don't have), are there any suggestions on tracing his > movements in Germany and Switzerland during that 3 year stay? He became a US > citizen through his father's naturalization, and I'm pretty certain he never > attempted to become a citizen elsewhere. It's tough figuring out what he was > doing those three years. > > Susan > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 2, 2011, at 2:31 PM, Pat McCoy <p.a.mccoy@att.net> wrote: > >> There might be passenger lists at the National >> Archives in Washington, D.C. >> >> Pat McCoy, M.S. >> >> Addiction Psychology >> >> Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! >> ================================================= >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Kim Allison Ross <slimkim@gci.net> >> To: hesse@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 4:04:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [HESSE] German-Americans in the Civil War - Wikipedia, the free >> encyclope... >> >> What about immigration/travel/port records? I know this was before >> Ellis Island. Where would he of left from anyway. Baltimore? New >> York? How does one find those records? >> >> >> >> >> My great grandfather came from Arnshain, Hesse-Darmstadt. I think >> anything our Hesse immigrants did here after immigration qualifies for >> discussion on this list. He returned to Germany in 1862, and for some >> reason made his way to Switzerland and married in 1865. I wish figuring >> out how that came to be were as simple as tracking censuses for the >> bride's family, whose given names we don't know. >> Because he was there for about 3 years, does anyone think there is any >> sort of document I might find him on in that little time? >> >> Susan >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com >> >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >> the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >> subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have you tried the Castle Garden Immigration Website? www.castlegarden.org/ This was the Immigration Center in New York, from 1855 to 1890, before Ellis Island opened. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Curelopp" <noshowclc@aol.com> To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] German-Americans in the Civil War - Wikipedia,the free encyclope... > Two excellent suggestions! Thank you both. I'll start on Ancestry, just > don't recall if they have outgoing manifests, but I fear as early as 1862 > probably won't have a very detailed "final destination," if one at all. > He was born in Arnshain, Hesse-Darmstadt. I have the parish records, will > have to look again to see which relatives were still alive that he might > be visiting. Were there any type of directories or parish directories > that might have him listed? He had a US passport, was that all he needed > to travel from country to country at that time? > > You are helping me already. > > Susan > > Sent from my iPhone > > Bobbie wrote: > he might have needed some kind of permission to stay or to leave. > Also, he might show up in a baptismal record. > > Pat wrote: >> Also, the passenger list could indicate where >> he was headed from America to Europe. >> >> Pat McCoy, M.S. >> >> Addiction Psychology >> >> Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! >> =============================================== >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Susan Curelopp <noshowclc@aol.com> >> To: "hesse@rootsweb.com" <hesse@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sun, April 3, 2011 1:57:33 AM >> Subject: Re: [HESSE] German-Americans in the Civil War - Wikipedia, the >> free >> encyclope... >> >> Thank you Bobbi, Kim, and Pat, for your suggestions. I know just about >> all I >> need on my great grandfather from 1849-1862, then 1865-his death, all >> here in >> the U.S. What I'm wondering is, other than a marriage record in 1865 >> Zug, >> Switzerland (which I don't have), are there any suggestions on tracing >> his >> movements in Germany and Switzerland during that 3 year stay? He became >> a US >> citizen through his father's naturalization, and I'm pretty certain he >> never >> attempted to become a citizen elsewhere. It's tough figuring out what he >> was >> doing those three years. >> >> Susan >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Apr 2, 2011, at 2:31 PM, Pat McCoy <p.a.mccoy@att.net> wrote: >> >>> There might be passenger lists at the National >>> Archives in Washington, D.C. >>> >>> Pat McCoy, M.S. >>> >>> Addiction Psychology >>> >>> Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! >>> ================================================= >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Kim Allison Ross <slimkim@gci.net> >>> To: hesse@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 4:04:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [HESSE] German-Americans in the Civil War - Wikipedia, the >>> free >>> encyclope... >>> >>> What about immigration/travel/port records? I know this was before >>> Ellis Island. Where would he of left from anyway. Baltimore? New >>> York? How does one find those records? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> My great grandfather came from Arnshain, Hesse-Darmstadt. I think >>> anything our Hesse immigrants did here after immigration qualifies for >>> discussion on this list. He returned to Germany in 1862, and for some >>> reason made his way to Switzerland and married in 1865. I wish figuring >>> out how that came to be were as simple as tracking censuses for the >>> bride's family, whose given names we don't know. >>> Because he was there for about 3 years, does anyone think there is any >>> sort of document I might find him on in that little time? >>> >>> Susan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com >>> >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >>> body of >>> the message >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the >>> subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> body of >> the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message