On 3/1/11, hesse-request@rootsweb.com <hesse-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > ***IMPORTANT*** > When replying to a digest message, DO NOT just hit Reply (which will send > the entire digest back to the list). Remove all text (the rest of the > digest) leaving only the specific message to which you are replying. > > Also IMPORTANT, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it > coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. > > Failure to do so will result in a change of your subscription from digest to > single message mode. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: (no subject) (alexis jungk) > 2. Re: (no subject) (rijoperk@twcny.rr.com) > 3. Re: (no subject) (rijoperk@twcny.rr.com) > 4. Augustus Adolph Fingado in Frankfurt (Sue Hubbard) > 5. To: mbarone2 (Don Watson) > 6. Re: Alsace-Lorraine/Darmstadt Weinsheimer/Gerstenschlaeger > (Pat McCoy) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 12:05:05 -0300 > From: alexis jungk <ajungk@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <AANLkTikX94J2q8k1w48WsJq5DmS-bjwYhxe8=m76=0ww@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi, > I have ancestors who were originally from Metz (Lorraine/Lothringen/Meuze et > Moselle), moved to Kassel (Hesse) and a few generations later they > had spread almost all around the world. So it is posible that the Borns or > maybe a female ancestor did come from somewhere else in Europe. > Aditionally, after the 30 Years War, inmigration was encouraged by many > german rulers in order to repopulate their lands, and many at the time of > the church reformation received groups fleeing their homes, in the case of > France they were mainly hugonots (hope I got the spelling right). > Alexis > 2011/3/1 <brian@amason.net> > >> > Alsace and Lorraine are the same place, called Alsace by the Germans and >> > Lorraine by the French. >> Alsace and Lorraine are most definitely NOT the same place. Different >> peoples, different dialects, different rulers, different histories. >> >> Lorraine fell to Richeleiu. Alsace fell to France, piecewise, as a result >> of very slick manipulation of treaties at the close of the Thirty Years >> War, and was disputed for centuries. In fact it was that very treaty that >> was the grain of sand in the oyster from which all the latter wars were >> partly born. The free city of Strasbourg was the last Alsatian property to >> fall by that treaty, due to the lack of action of a weak and feeble >> Emperor. Alsace was historically a German State. The Kings of France >> chipped away at the territory over centuries. >> >> There was much travel back and forth between the border by the people. >> Bits of Alsace were under the dominion of the house of Hesse. It's very >> possible your cousin has some foundation. But Alzey was part of the >> Palatinate. Not Hesse-Darmstadt, until very late in the history of the >> German States (1814). >> Alzey was, I believe part of the Bishopric of Strasbourg, which is in >> Alsace. >> >> Part of Alsace belonged to the House of Hesse-Kassel, for a time. But not >> Hess-Darmstadt. Hesse and the whole area has a very complex and twisted >> history. It's almost impossible to make any statement about the area that >> is true without qualifying the exact time period you are referring to. >> >> Brian >> >> > >> > Hessen is north and east of Alsace/Lorraine, and is well within the >> > borders of present day Germany. This state does not share a border with >> > France, and was only under French control as an occupied territory. >> > >> > I am sure if I have gotten this wrong, someone more knowledgeable will >> > correct me. >> > >> > Marleen Van Horne >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 10:45:21 -0500 > From: <rijoperk@twcny.rr.com> > Subject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) > To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <FA6E433668004FC49CF79506B6C5C024@UserPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi, This is a bit off subject re Hesse, but my paternal ancestors were of > the BARON name from St-Lo, Normandy - immigration to Quebec, Canada. The > name due to phonetics/poor handwriting became Barreau/Bareau (Ontario, CA) & > Barrow/Borrow (NYS). > Could we have a connection. Joan Borrow Perkins > > -----Original Message----- > From: M BARON > Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:03 PM > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) > > > >From Wikipedia--a history of Alsace-Lorraine > > The Imperial territory of Alsace-Lorraine (German: Reichsland > Elsa?-Lothringen, generally Elsass-Lothringen) was a territory created by > the German Empire in 1871 after the annexation of most of Alsace and the > Moselle region of Lorraine in the Franco-Prussian War. The Alsatian part lay > in the Rhine Valley on the west bank of the Rhine River and east of the > Vosges Mountains. The Lorraine section was in the upper Moselle valley to > the north of the Vosges Mountains. > These territories had become part of Eastern Francia in 921 during the reign > of King Louis the German, and later became part of the Holy Roman Empire. > Their population spoke Germanic and Romance dialects. Those in Alsace spoke > in their vast majority Germanic dialects, in particular Alsatian, an > Alemannic German dialect similar to that spoken on the opposite bank of the > Rhine, while those in Lorraine were divided roughly equally between those > who spoke the Romance Lorrain dialect and those who spoke Franconian German > dialects. The area had gradually become part of France between 1552, when > Metz was ceded to the Kingdom of France, and 1798, when the Republic of > Mulhouse joined the French Republic. After the Franco-Prussian War of 1870, > the area was annexed by the newly-created German Empire in 1871 by the > Treaty of Frankfurt and became a Reichsland. > French troops entered Alsace-Lorraine in November 1918 at the end of the > World War I and the territory reverted to France at the Treaty of Versailles > of 1919. > The area was de facto annexed by Nazi Germany in 1940 (although no official > de jure annexation took place), but reverted to France in 1944-1945 at the > end of World War II and has remained a part of France since. > In 1871, the Reichsland of Elsa?-Lothringen was made up of 93% of Alsace (7% > remained French) and 26% of Lorraine (74% remained French). For historical > reasons, specific legal dispositions are still applied in the territory in > form of a local law. In relation to its special legal status, the territory > has since its reversion to France been referred to as Alsace-Moselle > >> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:43:55 -0500 >> From: raygun33@optonline.net >> To: hesse@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) >> >> Alsace and Lorraine ARE NOT the same place, but separate states that are >> linked by military history. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Marleen Van Horne" <msvnhrn@jps.net> >> To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 3:13 PM >> Subject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) >> >> >> > This is my understanding of the situation: >> > >> > The Alsace/Lorraine region is/was a state that under different political >> > circumstances was in either Germany or France. It is currently a part >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 10:56:25 -0500 > From: <rijoperk@twcny.rr.com> > Subject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) > To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <B5D7950F6FC34F668045AAD381F163F5@UserPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi, > I have Jung ancestors from Lich, Hesse - Carl Jung was his name - married > Margaretha Keppel/Koeppel (umlaut over "o") - any connection? Thanks. Joan > Perkins - NYS > > -----Original Message----- > From: alexis jungk > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 10:05 AM > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) > > Hi, > I have ancestors who were originally from Metz (Lorraine/Lothringen/Meuze et > Moselle), moved to Kassel (Hesse) and a few generations later they > had spread almost all around the world. So it is posible that the Borns or > maybe a female ancestor did come from somewhere else in Europe. > Aditionally, after the 30 Years War, inmigration was encouraged by many > german rulers in order to repopulate their lands, and many at the time of > the church reformation received groups fleeing their homes, in the case of > France they were mainly hugonots (hope I got the spelling right). > Alexis > 2011/3/1 <brian@amason.net> > >> > Alsace and Lorraine are the same place, called Alsace by the Germans and >> > Lorraine by the French. >> Alsace and Lorraine are most definitely NOT the same place. Different >> peoples, different dialects, different rulers, different histories. >> >> Lorraine fell to Richeleiu. Alsace fell to France, piecewise, as a result >> of very slick manipulation of treaties at the close of the Thirty Years >> War, and was disputed for centuries. In fact it was that very treaty that >> was the grain of sand in the oyster from which all the latter wars were >> partly born. The free city of Strasbourg was the last Alsatian property to >> fall by that treaty, due to the lack of action of a weak and feeble >> Emperor. Alsace was historically a German State. The Kings of France >> chipped away at the territory over centuries. >> >> There was much travel back and forth between the border by the people. >> Bits of Alsace were under the dominion of the house of Hesse. It's very >> possible your cousin has some foundation. But Alzey was part of the >> Palatinate. Not Hesse-Darmstadt, until very late in the history of the >> German States (1814). >> Alzey was, I believe part of the Bishopric of Strasbourg, which is in >> Alsace. >> >> Part of Alsace belonged to the House of Hesse-Kassel, for a time. But not >> Hess-Darmstadt. Hesse and the whole area has a very complex and twisted >> history. It's almost impossible to make any statement about the area that >> is true without qualifying the exact time period you are referring to. >> >> Brian >> >> > >> > Hessen is north and east of Alsace/Lorraine, and is well within the >> > borders of present day Germany. This state does not share a border with >> > France, and was only under French control as an occupied territory. >> > >> > I am sure if I have gotten this wrong, someone more knowledgeable will >> > correct me. >> > >> > Marleen Van Horne >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 08:54:32 -0800 > From: "Sue Hubbard" <suehubb@forumrsa.com> > Subject: [HESSE] Augustus Adolph Fingado in Frankfurt > To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <ADE3059BCBEE4F5E8D946B2079FCCAAE@SuePC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I have been searching for my grandfather's birth place in Germany and have > never been able to find any information about him. It was recently > suggested by a member of the family that they thought the family lived in > Frankfurt. His date of birth was 6 December 1855. > > Believe he immigrated 1876 but have never found his name on a Passenger > List. > > Any suggestions? > > Sue Fingado-Hubbard > > > > > > > > , > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 11:30:03 -0600 > From: "Don Watson" <dwats@cox.net> > Subject: [HESSE] To: mbarone2 > To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <38F0A455732F4361B5B9033D9B30DF53@PastorDonPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Excellent! Sometimes google and/or wiki stare us in the face! > The amazing amount of information now "out there" on the > internet is going to replace my Hessen website before too > much longer. > > :-) > Don Watson > > Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 01:03:14 +0000 > From: M BARON <mbaron2@sympatico.ca> > > > >From Wikipedia--a history of Alsace-Lorraine > > The Imperial territory of Alsace-Lorraine (German: Reichsland > Elsa?-Lothringen, generally Elsass-Lothringen) > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 11:35:08 -0800 (PST) > From: Pat McCoy <p.a.mccoy@att.net> > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Alsace-Lorraine/Darmstadt > Weinsheimer/Gerstenschlaeger > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <554750.25567.qm@web180212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > When I was growing up, I remember hearing talk > from my maternal relatives of their fear of being > placed in concentration camps, because they're > German descendants, during World War I and > World War II. Given what happened to Japanese- > -Americans during World War II, their fear was not > that far-fetched. > > Pat McCoy, M.S. > > Addiction Psychology > > Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! > ================================================ > > > ________________________________ > From: Kathy Cochran <kathys_old_house@goldrush.com> > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Sent: Mon, February 28, 2011 10:09:53 PM > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Alsace-Lorraine/Darmstadt Weinsheimer/Gerstenschlaeger > > Carolyn, > > > > Have you looked at the distribution of the name WEINSHEIMER on the link: > > > > http://christoph.stoepel.net/geogen/v3/Map.ashx?name=WEINSHEIMER > <http://christoph.stoepel.net/geogen/v3/Map.ashx?name=WEINSHEIMER&target=DE&renderer=EN_US&mode=rel> > &target=DE&renderer=EN_US&mode=rel > > > It might give you some clues. I would LOVE to know why some people (my > Grandmother included) never mentioned the name ?Germany? but dramatically > ?dropped the name? of Alsace-Lorraine whenever she thought someone might be > listening. Ah, she was a drama teacher, but I also wonder if back in the > 30?s > and the 40?s if the hatred and fear of Hitler caused this to be a factor in > her > (and many other people) not ever mentioning that her (their) people came > from > Germany. From what I have learned from all of you today is that Alzey is > about > 60 miles from the border of Alsace-Lorraine, and never was included within > this > border. So to me this is seeming more and more like a fairy-story that was > conjured up because no one coming from Germany wanted to talk about their > past! > My Alsatian gg-g grandfather, my foot! My GERMAN GG-Grandfather, and I am > proud > of him! > > > > > If I had been unwilling to look past Alsace-Lorraine, I would have NEVER > found > my ancestors! I started out on the Rootsweb Alsace-Lorraine list, then > migrated > to the Baden-Wurttemburg one, and then once I got to the HESSE sight, the > answers started to flow! And ALWAYS will I remember Alexia for this. Bless > her! > > > > And bless all of you! > > > > Kathy Cochran > > San Andreas, CA > > > > From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf > Of CarolynChappellNelson > Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 6:50 PM > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Cc: James Baker > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Alsace-Lorraine/Darmstadt Weinsheimer/Gerstenschlaeger > > > > > > I have the same problem. My Elizabeth Weinsheimer/Winsheimer is said to > have > come from Alsace-Lorraine, but some US records say she is from > Hesse-Darmstadt. > I have no idea where to look or even how to search for her in Germany. > Anyone else have this surname? Her father was Anthony and brother, > Andrew...found them in Ohio. > > > > Elizabeth WEINSHEIMER married Johann GERSTENSCHLAEGER in Ohio. My > Gerstenschlaegers are also from Darmstadt..Habitzheim. > > > Any pointers will be gratefully and happilly accepted. > > > Thanks, y'all! > Carolyn Chappell Nelson > anymoreancestors@gmail.com > > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _____ > No virus found in this message. 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