Hi Alexis, Thanks for your reply to my query. I noticed that the letter "k" is still in the spelling of Jungk, which tells me that my Jung and your Junk are not the same, but thanks anyway - Best regards, Joan -----Original Message----- From: alexis jungk Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 2:45 PM To: hesse@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) Hi Joan, not at this point of my research, but who knows what further digging can bring? I do have a Charles(Carl) Jungk in Pa. though, 'circumstantial evidence' indicates he was my grgrgrandfather's brother; he seems to have been a bachelor. Alexis 20113/1 <rijoperk@twcny.rr.com> > Hi, > I have Jung ancestors from Lich, Hesse - Carl Jung was his name - married > Margaretha Keppel/Koeppel (umlaut over "o") - any connection? Thanks. > Joan > Perkins - NYS > > -----Original Message----- > From: alexis jungk > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 10:05 AM > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) > > Hi, > I have ancestors who were originally from Metz (Lorraine/Lothringen/Meuze > et > Moselle), moved to Kassel (Hesse) and a few generations later they > had spread almost all around the world. So it is posible that the Borns or > maybe a female ancestor did come from somewhere else in Europe. > Aditionally, after the 30 Years War, inmigration was encouraged by many > german rulers in order to repopulate their lands, and many at the time of > the church reformation received groups fleeing their homes, in the case of > France they were mainly hugonots (hope I got the spelling right). > Alexis > 2011/3/1 <brian@amason.net> > > > > Alsace and Lorraine are the same place, called Alsace by the Germans > and > > > Lorraine by the French. > > Alsace and Lorraine are most definitely NOT the same place. Different > > peoples, different dialects, different rulers, different histories. > > > > Lorraine fell to Richeleiu. Alsace fell to France, piecewise, as a > > result > > of very slick manipulation of treaties at the close of the Thirty Years > > War, and was disputed for centuries. In fact it was that very treaty > > that > > was the grain of sand in the oyster from which all the latter wars were > > partly born. The free city of Strasbourg was the last Alsatian property > to > > fall by that treaty, due to the lack of action of a weak and feeble > > Emperor. Alsace was historically a German State. The Kings of France > > chipped away at the territory over centuries. > > > > There was much travel back and forth between the border by the people. > > Bits of Alsace were under the dominion of the house of Hesse. It's very > > possible your cousin has some foundation. But Alzey was part of the > > Palatinate. Not Hesse-Darmstadt, until very late in the history of the > > German States (1814). > > Alzey was, I believe part of the Bishopric of Strasbourg, which is in > > Alsace. > > > > Part of Alsace belonged to the House of Hesse-Kassel, for a time. But > > not > > Hess-Darmstadt. Hesse and the whole area has a very complex and twisted > > history. It's almost impossible to make any statement about the area > > that > > is true without qualifying the exact time period you are referring to. > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > Hessen is north and east of Alsace/Lorraine, and is well within the > > > borders of present day Germany. This state does not share a border > with > > > France, and was only under French control as an occupied territory. > > > > > > I am sure if I have gotten this wrong, someone more knowledgeable will > > > correct me. > > > > > > Marleen Van Horne > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message