Hi, I have Jung ancestors from Lich, Hesse - Carl Jung was his name - married Margaretha Keppel/Koeppel (umlaut over "o") - any connection? Thanks. Joan Perkins - NYS -----Original Message----- From: alexis jungk Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 10:05 AM To: hesse@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) Hi, I have ancestors who were originally from Metz (Lorraine/Lothringen/Meuze et Moselle), moved to Kassel (Hesse) and a few generations later they had spread almost all around the world. So it is posible that the Borns or maybe a female ancestor did come from somewhere else in Europe. Aditionally, after the 30 Years War, inmigration was encouraged by many german rulers in order to repopulate their lands, and many at the time of the church reformation received groups fleeing their homes, in the case of France they were mainly hugonots (hope I got the spelling right). Alexis 2011/3/1 <brian@amason.net> > > Alsace and Lorraine are the same place, called Alsace by the Germans and > > Lorraine by the French. > Alsace and Lorraine are most definitely NOT the same place. Different > peoples, different dialects, different rulers, different histories. > > Lorraine fell to Richeleiu. Alsace fell to France, piecewise, as a result > of very slick manipulation of treaties at the close of the Thirty Years > War, and was disputed for centuries. In fact it was that very treaty that > was the grain of sand in the oyster from which all the latter wars were > partly born. The free city of Strasbourg was the last Alsatian property to > fall by that treaty, due to the lack of action of a weak and feeble > Emperor. Alsace was historically a German State. The Kings of France > chipped away at the territory over centuries. > > There was much travel back and forth between the border by the people. > Bits of Alsace were under the dominion of the house of Hesse. It's very > possible your cousin has some foundation. But Alzey was part of the > Palatinate. Not Hesse-Darmstadt, until very late in the history of the > German States (1814). > Alzey was, I believe part of the Bishopric of Strasbourg, which is in > Alsace. > > Part of Alsace belonged to the House of Hesse-Kassel, for a time. But not > Hess-Darmstadt. Hesse and the whole area has a very complex and twisted > history. It's almost impossible to make any statement about the area that > is true without qualifying the exact time period you are referring to. > > Brian > > > > > Hessen is north and east of Alsace/Lorraine, and is well within the > > borders of present day Germany. This state does not share a border with > > France, and was only under French control as an occupied territory. > > > > I am sure if I have gotten this wrong, someone more knowledgeable will > > correct me. > > > > Marleen Van Horne > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm curious if that is THE Carl Jung I often read about in my studies? Pat McCoy, M.S. Addiction Psychology Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! =========================================== ________________________________ From: "rijoperk@twcny.rr.com" <rijoperk@twcny.rr.com> To: hesse@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, March 1, 2011 10:56:25 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) Hi, I have Jung ancestors from Lich, Hesse - Carl Jung was his name - married Margaretha Keppel/Koeppel (umlaut over "o") - any connection? Thanks. Joan Perkins - NYS -----Original Message----- From: alexis jungk Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 10:05 AM To: hesse@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) Hi, I have ancestors who were originally from Metz (Lorraine/Lothringen/Meuze et Moselle), moved to Kassel (Hesse) and a few generations later they had spread almost all around the world. So it is posible that the Borns or maybe a female ancestor did come from somewhere else in Europe. Aditionally, after the 30 Years War, inmigration was encouraged by many german rulers in order to repopulate their lands, and many at the time of the church reformation received groups fleeing their homes, in the case of France they were mainly hugonots (hope I got the spelling right). Alexis 2011/3/1 <brian@amason.net> > > Alsace and Lorraine are the same place, called Alsace by the Germans and > > Lorraine by the French. > Alsace and Lorraine are most definitely NOT the same place. Different > peoples, different dialects, different rulers, different histories. > > Lorraine fell to Richeleiu. Alsace fell to France, piecewise, as a result > of very slick manipulation of treaties at the close of the Thirty Years > War, and was disputed for centuries. In fact it was that very treaty that > was the grain of sand in the oyster from which all the latter wars were > partly born. The free city of Strasbourg was the last Alsatian property to > fall by that treaty, due to the lack of action of a weak and feeble > Emperor. Alsace was historically a German State. The Kings of France > chipped away at the territory over centuries. > > There was much travel back and forth between the border by the people. > Bits of Alsace were under the dominion of the house of Hesse. It's very > possible your cousin has some foundation. But Alzey was part of the > Palatinate. Not Hesse-Darmstadt, until very late in the history of the > German States (1814). > Alzey was, I believe part of the Bishopric of Strasbourg, which is in > Alsace. > > Part of Alsace belonged to the House of Hesse-Kassel, for a time. But not > Hess-Darmstadt. Hesse and the whole area has a very complex and twisted > history. It's almost impossible to make any statement about the area that > is true without qualifying the exact time period you are referring to. > > Brian > > > > > Hessen is north and east of Alsace/Lorraine, and is well within the > > borders of present day Germany. This state does not share a border with > > France, and was only under French control as an occupied territory. > > > > I am sure if I have gotten this wrong, someone more knowledgeable will > > correct me. > > > > Marleen Van Horne > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Joan, not at this point of my research, but who knows what further digging can bring? I do have a Charles(Carl) Jungk in Pa. though, 'circumstantial evidence' indicates he was my grgrgrandfather's brother; he seems to have been a bachelor. Alexis 20113/1 <rijoperk@twcny.rr.com> > Hi, > I have Jung ancestors from Lich, Hesse - Carl Jung was his name - married > Margaretha Keppel/Koeppel (umlaut over "o") - any connection? Thanks. > Joan > Perkins - NYS > > -----Original Message----- > From: alexis jungk > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 10:05 AM > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) > > Hi, > I have ancestors who were originally from Metz (Lorraine/Lothringen/Meuze > et > Moselle), moved to Kassel (Hesse) and a few generations later they > had spread almost all around the world. So it is posible that the Borns or > maybe a female ancestor did come from somewhere else in Europe. > Aditionally, after the 30 Years War, inmigration was encouraged by many > german rulers in order to repopulate their lands, and many at the time of > the church reformation received groups fleeing their homes, in the case of > France they were mainly hugonots (hope I got the spelling right). > Alexis > 2011/3/1 <brian@amason.net> > > > > Alsace and Lorraine are the same place, called Alsace by the Germans > and > > > Lorraine by the French. > > Alsace and Lorraine are most definitely NOT the same place. Different > > peoples, different dialects, different rulers, different histories. > > > > Lorraine fell to Richeleiu. Alsace fell to France, piecewise, as a result > > of very slick manipulation of treaties at the close of the Thirty Years > > War, and was disputed for centuries. In fact it was that very treaty that > > was the grain of sand in the oyster from which all the latter wars were > > partly born. The free city of Strasbourg was the last Alsatian property > to > > fall by that treaty, due to the lack of action of a weak and feeble > > Emperor. Alsace was historically a German State. The Kings of France > > chipped away at the territory over centuries. > > > > There was much travel back and forth between the border by the people. > > Bits of Alsace were under the dominion of the house of Hesse. It's very > > possible your cousin has some foundation. But Alzey was part of the > > Palatinate. Not Hesse-Darmstadt, until very late in the history of the > > German States (1814). > > Alzey was, I believe part of the Bishopric of Strasbourg, which is in > > Alsace. > > > > Part of Alsace belonged to the House of Hesse-Kassel, for a time. But not > > Hess-Darmstadt. Hesse and the whole area has a very complex and twisted > > history. It's almost impossible to make any statement about the area that > > is true without qualifying the exact time period you are referring to. > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > Hessen is north and east of Alsace/Lorraine, and is well within the > > > borders of present day Germany. This state does not share a border > with > > > France, and was only under French control as an occupied territory. > > > > > > I am sure if I have gotten this wrong, someone more knowledgeable will > > > correct me. > > > > > > Marleen Van Horne > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Many Jung -Young's are in KY-Cinci area ,they do have a family tree and the Michigan Youngs many came via NY to Mich. and one of them thinks that there is a connection and that they were brothers. They did come from the Kaiserslautern area. Doris. -----Original Message----- From: alexis jungk <ajungk@gmail.com> To: hesse <hesse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:50 pm Subject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) Hi Joan, not at this point of my research, but who knows what further digging can ring? I do have a Charles(Carl) Jungk in Pa. though, 'circumstantial evidence' ndicates he was my grgrgrandfather's brother; he seems to have been a achelor. Alexis 20113/1 <rijoperk@twcny.rr.com> > Hi, I have Jung ancestors from Lich, Hesse - Carl Jung was his name - married Margaretha Keppel/Koeppel (umlaut over "o") - any connection? Thanks. Joan Perkins - NYS -----Original Message----- From: alexis jungk Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 10:05 AM To: hesse@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) Hi, I have ancestors who were originally from Metz (Lorraine/Lothringen/Meuze et Moselle), moved to Kassel (Hesse) and a few generations later they had spread almost all around the world. So it is posible that the Borns or maybe a female ancestor did come from somewhere else in Europe. Aditionally, after the 30 Years War, inmigration was encouraged by many german rulers in order to repopulate their lands, and many at the time of the church reformation received groups fleeing their homes, in the case of France they were mainly hugonots (hope I got the spelling right). Alexis 2011/3/1 <brian@amason.net> > > Alsace and Lorraine are the same place, called Alsace by the Germans and > > Lorraine by the French. > Alsace and Lorraine are most definitely NOT the same place. Different > peoples, different dialects, different rulers, different histories. > > Lorraine fell to Richeleiu. Alsace fell to France, piecewise, as a result > of very slick manipulation of treaties at the close of the Thirty Years > War, and was disputed for centuries. In fact it was that very treaty that > was the grain of sand in the oyster from which all the latter wars were > partly born. The free city of Strasbourg was the last Alsatian property to > fall by that treaty, due to the lack of action of a weak and feeble > Emperor. Alsace was historically a German State. The Kings of France > chipped away at the territory over centuries. > > There was much travel back and forth between the border by the people. > Bits of Alsace were under the dominion of the house of Hesse. It's very > possible your cousin has some foundation. But Alzey was part of the > Palatinate. Not Hesse-Darmstadt, until very late in the history of the > German States (1814). > Alzey was, I believe part of the Bishopric of Strasbourg, which is in > Alsace. > > Part of Alsace belonged to the House of Hesse-Kassel, for a time. But not > Hess-Darmstadt. Hesse and the whole area has a very complex and twisted > history. It's almost impossible to make any statement about the area that > is true without qualifying the exact time period you are referring to. > > Brian > > > > > Hessen is north and east of Alsace/Lorraine, and is well within the > > borders of present day Germany. This state does not share a border with > > France, and was only under French control as an occupied territory. > > > > I am sure if I have gotten this wrong, someone more knowledgeable will > > correct me. > > > > Marleen Van Horne > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message