When I Googled "the Bund", I found references to the American Nazi Party and Jewish Slave Labor. Pat McCoy, M.S. Addiction Psychology Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! ================================================ ________________________________ From: Tilman Ochs <christel.ochs@t-online.de> To: hesse@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 10:46:06 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions Excuse my question. What was the Bund? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Korndoerfer" <wckkorn@hotmail.com> To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions > You may want to check on the internment of Germans, German-Americans, and > Italians during WW2. Some were not released until 1946. Some deserved it > because of the Bund. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: <brian@amason.net> > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:58 AM > To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions > >> You know people often neglect what they think are little details, which >> on >> later inspection prove to be crucial to forming an accurate picture or >> hypothesis. >> >> Details like "My German ancestors settled in Washington D.C., and they >> had >> nothing but troubles during WWI & II.". >> >> Go figure, people with German accents and/or names being under suspicion >> at a time of war, against Germany, in the nation's capital. I'd be just >> as >> shocked to hear the same story for residents of Norfolk, VA (major Naval >> station). >> >> ;') >> Brian >> >> On Tue, March 29, 2011 6:41 am, Pat McCoy wrote: >>> My German relatives lived in the D.C. area so >>> that may have been a factor in the kind of grief >>> they got during both World Wars. >>> >>> Pat McCoy, M.S. >>> >>> Addiction Psychology >>> >>> Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! >> Enjoy my Garden? You sir have a very warped idea of relaxation! >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When I was growing up, my parents gave me a Iron Cross 2nd class. They said that it was from a relative from WW1. My father also told me that during WW1 the family said that they were Dutch to avoid problems. My father was 10. There was a lot of anti german feelings . This was in NYC and New Jersey. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Pat McCoy" <p.a.mccoy@att.net> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 11:11 AM To: "Tilman Ochs" <twochs@t-online.de>; <hesse@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions > When I Googled "the Bund", I found references > to the American Nazi Party and Jewish Slave > Labor. > > Pat McCoy, M.S. > > Addiction Psychology > > Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! > ================================================ > > > ________________________________ > From: Tilman Ochs <christel.ochs@t-online.de> > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 10:46:06 AM > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions > > Excuse my question. What was the Bund? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Walter Korndoerfer" <wckkorn@hotmail.com> > To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 7:34 PM > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions > > >> You may want to check on the internment of Germans, German-Americans, and >> Italians during WW2. Some were not released until 1946. Some deserved it >> because of the Bund. >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: <brian@amason.net> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:58 AM >> To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions >> >>> You know people often neglect what they think are little details, which >>> on >>> later inspection prove to be crucial to forming an accurate picture or >>> hypothesis. >>> >>> Details like "My German ancestors settled in Washington D.C., and they >>> had >>> nothing but troubles during WWI & II.". >>> >>> Go figure, people with German accents and/or names being under suspicion >>> at a time of war, against Germany, in the nation's capital. I'd be just >>> as >>> shocked to hear the same story for residents of Norfolk, VA (major Naval >>> station). >>> >>> ;') >>> Brian >>> >>> On Tue, March 29, 2011 6:41 am, Pat McCoy wrote: >>>> My German relatives lived in the D.C. area so >>>> that may have been a factor in the kind of grief >>>> they got during both World Wars. >>>> >>>> Pat McCoy, M.S. >>>> >>>> Addiction Psychology >>>> >>>> Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! >>> Enjoy my Garden? You sir have a very warped idea of relaxation! >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

My Hubby's great-grandfather lived in Sangamon County IL (near Springfield) during WWI. Toward the end of the war, it looked like a son would have to go fight and the father hung himself in the outhouse because a son would have to fight the fatherland. This area had a large German community and I imagine the loyalty was there. They had poor English skills so may not have totally understood the concept of the war. In WWII, my husband's grandmother (a daughter-in-law of the above great-grandfather) lived with my husband's family as she was a widow. She was very hard of hearing and almost blind and could not understand why we were fighting Germany again. My father-in-law (her son) had to sit her down and explain Hitler's role and why we were again fighting Germany. It was very difficult for her as she still spoke German and, we think, still even thought in German. I've never heard anything about discrimination or difficulties beyond the ones the two wars caused in the immediate families. JG

The first part would be correct; Bund = American Nazi Party. Or rather the closest thing to it, or Nazi Party sympathizers. There really wasn't a per se Nazi Party in America. The Bund was led by a Hitler wannabe, and he even managed to get a picture taken with him in 1936. The other one was some Soviet thing. Lots of stuff they never teach in school. Brian On Wed, March 30, 2011 10:11 am, Pat McCoy wrote: > When I Googled "the Bund", I found references > to the American Nazi Party and Jewish Slave > Labor. > > Pat McCoy, M.S. > > Addiction Psychology > > Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! > ================================================ > > > ________________________________ > From: Tilman Ochs <christel.ochs@t-online.de> > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 10:46:06 AM > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions > > Excuse my question. What was the Bund? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Walter Korndoerfer" <wckkorn@hotmail.com> > To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 7:34 PM > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions > > >> You may want to check on the internment of Germans, German-Americans, >> and >> Italians during WW2. Some were not released until 1946. Some deserved it >> because of the Bund. >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: <brian@amason.net> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:58 AM >> To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions >> >>> You know people often neglect what they think are little details, which >>> on >>> later inspection prove to be crucial to forming an accurate picture or >>> hypothesis. >>> >>> Details like "My German ancestors settled in Washington D.C., and they >>> had >>> nothing but troubles during WWI & II.". >>> >>> Go figure, people with German accents and/or names being under >>> suspicion >>> at a time of war, against Germany, in the nation's capital. I'd be just >>> as >>> shocked to hear the same story for residents of Norfolk, VA (major >>> Naval >>> station). >>> >>> ;') >>> Brian >>> >>> On Tue, March 29, 2011 6:41 am, Pat McCoy wrote: >>>> My German relatives lived in the D.C. area so >>>> that may have been a factor in the kind of grief >>>> they got during both World Wars. >>>> >>>> Pat McCoy, M.S. >>>> >>>> Addiction Psychology >>>> >>>> Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! >>> Enjoy my Garden? You sir have a very warped idea of relaxation! >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

I agree that this was NEVER mentioned when I was attending school! Pat McCoy, M.S. Addiction Psychology Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! ============================================= ________________________________ From: "brian@amason.net" <brian@amason.net> To: hesse@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 1:01:13 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions The first part would be correct; Bund = American Nazi Party. Or rather the closest thing to it, or Nazi Party sympathizers. There really wasn't a per se Nazi Party in America. The Bund was led by a Hitler wannabe, and he even managed to get a picture taken with him in 1936. The other one was some Soviet thing. Lots of stuff they never teach in school. Brian On Wed, March 30, 2011 10:11 am, Pat McCoy wrote: > When I Googled "the Bund", I found references > to the American Nazi Party and Jewish Slave > Labor. > > Pat McCoy, M.S. > > Addiction Psychology > > Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! > ================================================ > > > ________________________________ > From: Tilman Ochs <christel.ochs@t-online.de> > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 10:46:06 AM > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions > > Excuse my question. What was the Bund? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Walter Korndoerfer" <wckkorn@hotmail.com> > To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 7:34 PM > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions > > >> You may want to check on the internment of Germans, German-Americans, >> and >> Italians during WW2. Some were not released until 1946. Some deserved it >> because of the Bund. >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: <brian@amason.net> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:58 AM >> To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions >> >>> You know people often neglect what they think are little details, which >>> on >>> later inspection prove to be crucial to forming an accurate picture or >>> hypothesis. >>> >>> Details like "My German ancestors settled in Washington D.C., and they >>> had >>> nothing but troubles during WWI & II.". >>> >>> Go figure, people with German accents and/or names being under >>> suspicion >>> at a time of war, against Germany, in the nation's capital. I'd be just >>> as >>> shocked to hear the same story for residents of Norfolk, VA (major >>> Naval >>> station). >>> >>> ;') >>> Brian >>> >>> On Tue, March 29, 2011 6:41 am, Pat McCoy wrote: >>>> My German relatives lived in the D.C. area so >>>> that may have been a factor in the kind of grief >>>> they got during both World Wars. >>>> >>>> Pat McCoy, M.S. >>>> >>>> Addiction Psychology >>>> >>>> Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! >>> Enjoy my Garden? You sir have a very warped idea of relaxation! >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I never heard about it either. On the other hand, one of the teachers at my children's school pointed out that a tavern in the neighborhood, still fairly raucous, was the local headquarters for the Bund. I did not live here then, so this is second-hand information. Interestingly enough, that particular 3 blocks is now mostly black. I wonder what the Bund would have thought? Elizabeth C Pat McCoy wrote: > I agree that this was NEVER mentioned > when I was attending school! > > Pat McCoy, M.S. > > Addiction Psychology > > Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! > ============================================= > > > ________________________________ > From: "brian@amason.net"<brian@amason.net> > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 1:01:13 AM > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions > > The first part would be correct; > Bund = American Nazi Party. Or rather the closest thing to it, or Nazi > Party sympathizers. > There really wasn't a per se Nazi Party in America. The Bund was > led by a Hitler wannabe, and he even managed to get a picture taken with > him in 1936. > > The other one was some Soviet thing. > > Lots of stuff they never teach in school. > > Brian > > On Wed, March 30, 2011 10:11 am, Pat McCoy wrote: > >> When I Googled "the Bund", I found references >> to the American Nazi Party and Jewish Slave >> Labor. >> >> Pat McCoy, M.S. >> >> Addiction Psychology >> >> Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! >> ================================================ >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Tilman Ochs<christel.ochs@t-online.de> >> To: hesse@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 10:46:06 AM >> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions >> >> Excuse my question. What was the Bund? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Walter Korndoerfer"<wckkorn@hotmail.com> >> To:<hesse@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 7:34 PM >> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions >> >> >> >>> You may want to check on the internment of Germans, German-Americans, >>> and >>> Italians during WW2. Some were not released until 1946. Some deserved it >>> because of the Bund. >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From:<brian@amason.net> >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:58 AM >>> To:<hesse@rootsweb.com> >>> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions >>> >>> >>>> You know people often neglect what they think are little details, which >>>> on >>>> later inspection prove to be crucial to forming an accurate picture or >>>> hypothesis. >>>> >>>> Details like "My German ancestors settled in Washington D.C., and they >>>> had >>>> nothing but troubles during WWI& II.". >>>> >>>> Go figure, people with German accents and/or names being under >>>> suspicion >>>> at a time of war, against Germany, in the nation's capital. I'd be just >>>> as >>>> shocked to hear the same story for residents of Norfolk, VA (major >>>> Naval >>>> station). >>>> >>>> ;') >>>> Brian >>>> >>>> On Tue, March 29, 2011 6:41 am, Pat McCoy wrote: >>>> >>>>> My German relatives lived in the D.C. area so >>>>> that may have been a factor in the kind of grief >>>>> they got during both World Wars. >>>>> >>>>> Pat McCoy, M.S. >>>>> >>>>> Addiction Psychology >>>>> >>>>> Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! >>>>> >>>> Enjoy my Garden? You sir have a very warped idea of relaxation! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body >> of >> the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

I always hated history in school. The way it was taught, it was so dry, and it may have had something to do with a couple of really bad (or so I thought) teachers. UNTIL I took "The Social History of the US to 1865" at UCLA. I was MESMERIZED and then it started coming to life! But you're so right, it was so "white-washed" that there wasn't anything left of any "color" to learn about. The internet has certainly opened things up for new information, hasn't it? Now I want to find a book about why the German-Americans so often swept their German heritage under the rug. I understand about WWI & WWII, but my Germans came to the US in 1837 and earlier, and one branch even changed their name from Reiss to Rice! And that seems to be the branch that fostered the "fairy story" that we were from Alsace-Lorraine, instead of from Alzey, Hesse-Darmstadt. Kathy C From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Cunningham Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:33 AM To: hesse@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions I never heard about it either. On the other hand, one of the teachers at my children's school pointed out that a tavern in the neighborhood, still fairly raucous, was the local headquarters for the Bund. I did not live here then, so this is second-hand information. Interestingly enough, that particular 3 blocks is now mostly black. I wonder what the Bund would have thought? Elizabeth C Pat McCoy wrote: > I agree that this was NEVER mentioned > when I was attending school! > > Pat McCoy, M.S. > > Addiction Psychology > > Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! > ============================================= > > > ________________________________ > From: "brian@amason.net"<brian@amason.net> > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 1:01:13 AM > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions > > The first part would be correct; > Bund = American Nazi Party. Or rather the closest thing to it, or Nazi > Party sympathizers. > There really wasn't a per se Nazi Party in America. The Bund was > led by a Hitler wannabe, and he even managed to get a picture taken with > him in 1936. > > The other one was some Soviet thing. > > Lots of stuff they never teach in school. > > Brian > > On Wed, March 30, 2011 10:11 am, Pat McCoy wrote: > >> When I Googled "the Bund", I found references >> to the American Nazi Party and Jewish Slave >> Labor. >> >> Pat McCoy, M.S. >> >> Addiction Psychology >> >> Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! >> ================================================ >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Tilman Ochs<christel.ochs@t-online.de> >> To: hesse@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 10:46:06 AM >> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions >> >> Excuse my question. What was the Bund? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Walter Korndoerfer"<wckkorn@hotmail.com> >> To:<hesse@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 7:34 PM >> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions >> >> >> >>> You may want to check on the internment of Germans, German-Americans, >>> and >>> Italians during WW2. Some were not released until 1946. Some deserved it >>> because of the Bund. >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From:<brian@amason.net> >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:58 AM >>> To:<hesse@rootsweb.com> >>> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions >>> >>> >>>> You know people often neglect what they think are little details, which >>>> on >>>> later inspection prove to be crucial to forming an accurate picture or >>>> hypothesis. >>>> >>>> Details like "My German ancestors settled in Washington D.C., and they >>>> had >>>> nothing but troubles during WWI& II.". >>>> >>>> Go figure, people with German accents and/or names being under >>>> suspicion >>>> at a time of war, against Germany, in the nation's capital. I'd be just >>>> as >>>> shocked to hear the same story for residents of Norfolk, VA (major >>>> Naval >>>> station). >>>> >>>> ;') >>>> Brian >>>> >>>> On Tue, March 29, 2011 6:41 am, Pat McCoy wrote: >>>> >>>>> My German relatives lived in the D.C. area so >>>>> that may have been a factor in the kind of grief >>>>> they got during both World Wars. >>>>> >>>>> Pat McCoy, M.S. >>>>> >>>>> Addiction Psychology >>>>> >>>>> Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! >>>>> >>>> Enjoy my Garden? 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