Susan, THis is so exciting! But please tell me where you found this? I have googled like crazy and have not found this record. I would like to read the rest of the people on board the ship... Many thanks, Helen > From: noshowclc@aol.com > Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:25:26 -0700 > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Schambach Estate or Guardianship papers in 1837? > > Helen, > The ages are perfect for two of the girls: > Departed London and Arrived NY on 31 July 1851, ship Prime Albert (Prince Albert?) > Margareta Shombach, 23, servant, b. Darmstadt. > Catharine Shombach, 25, b. Darmstadt. > > Possibly yours? > > Susan > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 20, 2011, at 7:18 PM, Helen Sanders <landhsanders@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Susan, > > > > Hi and thank you for your thought. It may be possible that records are under the Roehrig name. The man who researches for me picked up the 2nd marriage and is very good at finding the unexpected. He didn't mention any adoption, but I would hope that any other records might indicate that. Members of the DORN family (the mother's brothers and father) eventually emigrated, and I even thought the girls might have accompanied them, but so far have found no record of that either. > > > > I've been trying to think (as they say) outside the box! There will be another trip to Salt Lake City the end of the summer and I'm thinking of reserving a fair amount of time for extra research. I wish I could read German! > > > > Again, many thanks for answering. > > > > Helen > > > >> From: noshowclc@aol.com > >> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 16:23:05 -0700 > >> To: hesse@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Schambach Estate or Guardianship papers in 1837? > >> > >> Is it possible the young children took the step-father's surname? Or adopted by him? I've seen that in a case or two. Has your friend tried looking for marriage records under step-father's name? Just a thought as another way to look, I'm sure you'll get better advise. > >> > >> Susan > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On Mar 20, 2011, at 3:17 PM, Helen Sanders <landhsanders@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Hi.....another question about my SCHAMBACH family of Bensheim, Hesse. > >>> > >>> When Johann Theobald SCHAMBACH (b 1798) died in Bensheim on 14 February, 1837 of pneumonia he left his wife, Katharina (nee DORN), b 1794, with 5 daughters and 2 sons. I'm mostly interested right now in what eventually happened to the daughters: > >>> Christina, b 13 Oct, 1822 > >>> Katharina, b 25 March, 1826 > >>> Margarethe, b 27 Jan, 1828 > >>> Sophia, b 21 Aug 1831 and > >>> Maria Anna, b 3 Sept, 1833, d 1840. > >>> The 2 sons were Georg, b 23 Sept, 1824 and > >>> Franz Jacob, b 10 Sept, 1835. The 2 sons emigrated to America as adults. > >>> > >>> I wonder if there was time to write a will? After his death would it be necessary to have a document giving financial guardianship to someone for those children? Where would I write or email for help about those documents? > >>> > >>> I do know that the mother, Katharina,(nee DORN) was remarried on 21 Nov, 1837 to Christoph Roehrig. He took on quite a ready made family! If she remarried would it be unnecessary for guardianship or considered more necessary because of the father's estate? > >>> > >>> The daughters are being difficult to track down later in their lives. A German speaking friend has been reading LDS films for marriages and deaths for me, but has found nothing on the daughters so far. > >>> > >>> Any suggestions will be appreciated > >>> > >>> Helen > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Helen, it's on Ancestry.com If you don't belong, you can either subscribe (you can have shorter subscriptions), or check your public library to see if they carry it (you'll have to go in and use their computers), or if the above is impossible, let me know and I can see what I can send. I know you can see a transcribed list of passengers, but it's better to look at the manifest because some of those transcriptions are wrong. I thought they might be yours since the ages were right on, and your friend has had no luck finding them in Germany. The bad part, these early manifests only contain what I gave you, where later ones are filled with genealogy bonuses. Susan Sent from my iPhone On Mar 22, 2011, at 7:54 AM, Helen Sanders <landhsanders@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Susan, > > THis is so exciting! > > But please tell me where you found this? I have googled like crazy and have not found this record. I would like to read the rest of the people on board the ship... > > Many thanks, Helen > >> From: noshowclc@aol.com >> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:25:26 -0700 >> To: hesse@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Schambach Estate or Guardianship papers in 1837? >> >> Helen, >> The ages are perfect for two of the girls: >> Departed London and Arrived NY on 31 July 1851, ship Prime Albert (Prince Albert?) >> Margareta Shombach, 23, servant, b. Darmstadt. >> Catharine Shombach, 25, b. Darmstadt. >> >> Possibly yours? >> >> Susan >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Mar 20, 2011, at 7:18 PM, Helen Sanders <landhsanders@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> Susan, >>> >>> Hi and thank you for your thought. It may be possible that records are under the Roehrig name. The man who researches for me picked up the 2nd marriage and is very good at finding the unexpected. He didn't mention any adoption, but I would hope that any other records might indicate that. Members of the DORN family (the mother's brothers and father) eventually emigrated, and I even thought the girls might have accompanied them, but so far have found no record of that either. >>> >>> I've been trying to think (as they say) outside the box! There will be another trip to Salt Lake City the end of the summer and I'm thinking of reserving a fair amount of time for extra research. I wish I could read German! >>> >>> Again, many thanks for answering. >>> >>> Helen >>> >>>> From: noshowclc@aol.com >>>> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 16:23:05 -0700 >>>> To: hesse@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Schambach Estate or Guardianship papers in 1837? >>>> >>>> Is it possible the young children took the step-father's surname? Or adopted by him? I've seen that in a case or two. Has your friend tried looking for marriage records under step-father's name? Just a thought as another way to look, I'm sure you'll get better advise. >>>> >>>> Susan >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Mar 20, 2011, at 3:17 PM, Helen Sanders <landhsanders@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi.....another question about my SCHAMBACH family of Bensheim, Hesse. >>>>> >>>>> When Johann Theobald SCHAMBACH (b 1798) died in Bensheim on 14 February, 1837 of pneumonia he left his wife, Katharina (nee DORN), b 1794, with 5 daughters and 2 sons. I'm mostly interested right now in what eventually happened to the daughters: >>>>> Christina, b 13 Oct, 1822 >>>>> Katharina, b 25 March, 1826 >>>>> Margarethe, b 27 Jan, 1828 >>>>> Sophia, b 21 Aug 1831 and >>>>> Maria Anna, b 3 Sept, 1833, d 1840. >>>>> The 2 sons were Georg, b 23 Sept, 1824 and >>>>> Franz Jacob, b 10 Sept, 1835. The 2 sons emigrated to America as adults. >>>>> >>>>> I wonder if there was time to write a will? After his death would it be necessary to have a document giving financial guardianship to someone for those children? Where would I write or email for help about those documents? >>>>> >>>>> I do know that the mother, Katharina,(nee DORN) was remarried on 21 Nov, 1837 to Christoph Roehrig. He took on quite a ready made family! If she remarried would it be unnecessary for guardianship or considered more necessary because of the father's estate? >>>>> >>>>> The daughters are being difficult to track down later in their lives. A German speaking friend has been reading LDS films for marriages and deaths for me, but has found nothing on the daughters so far. >>>>> >>>>> Any suggestions will be appreciated >>>>> >>>>> Helen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Every so often I apply for a month of Ancestry and its about that time now. So...I'll get with it! I can't tell you how much I appreciate your help and interest.....I'll let you know how this comes out. Helen > From: noshowclc@aol.com > Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 11:09:38 -0700 > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Schambach Estate or Guardianship papers in 1837? > > Helen, it's on Ancestry.com > If you don't belong, you can either subscribe (you can have shorter subscriptions), or check your public library to see if they carry it (you'll have to go in and use their computers), or if the above is impossible, let me know and I can see what I can send. I know you can see a transcribed list of passengers, but it's better to look at the manifest because some of those transcriptions are wrong. > > I thought they might be yours since the ages were right on, and your friend has had no luck finding them in Germany. > > The bad part, these early manifests only contain what I gave you, where later ones are filled with genealogy bonuses. > > Susan > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 22, 2011, at 7:54 AM, Helen Sanders <landhsanders@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Susan, > > > > THis is so exciting! > > > > But please tell me where you found this? I have googled like crazy and have not found this record. I would like to read the rest of the people on board the ship... > > > > Many thanks, Helen > > > >> From: noshowclc@aol.com > >> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:25:26 -0700 > >> To: hesse@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Schambach Estate or Guardianship papers in 1837? > >> > >> Helen, > >> The ages are perfect for two of the girls: > >> Departed London and Arrived NY on 31 July 1851, ship Prime Albert (Prince Albert?) > >> Margareta Shombach, 23, servant, b. Darmstadt. > >> Catharine Shombach, 25, b. Darmstadt. > >> > >> Possibly yours? > >> > >> Susan > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On Mar 20, 2011, at 7:18 PM, Helen Sanders <landhsanders@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Susan, > >>> > >>> Hi and thank you for your thought. It may be possible that records are under the Roehrig name. The man who researches for me picked up the 2nd marriage and is very good at finding the unexpected. He didn't mention any adoption, but I would hope that any other records might indicate that. Members of the DORN family (the mother's brothers and father) eventually emigrated, and I even thought the girls might have accompanied them, but so far have found no record of that either. > >>> > >>> I've been trying to think (as they say) outside the box! There will be another trip to Salt Lake City the end of the summer and I'm thinking of reserving a fair amount of time for extra research. I wish I could read German! > >>> > >>> Again, many thanks for answering. > >>> > >>> Helen > >>> > >>>> From: noshowclc@aol.com > >>>> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 16:23:05 -0700 > >>>> To: hesse@rootsweb.com > >>>> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Schambach Estate or Guardianship papers in 1837? > >>>> > >>>> Is it possible the young children took the step-father's surname? Or adopted by him? I've seen that in a case or two. Has your friend tried looking for marriage records under step-father's name? Just a thought as another way to look, I'm sure you'll get better advise. > >>>> > >>>> Susan > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>> On Mar 20, 2011, at 3:17 PM, Helen Sanders <landhsanders@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi.....another question about my SCHAMBACH family of Bensheim, Hesse. > >>>>> > >>>>> When Johann Theobald SCHAMBACH (b 1798) died in Bensheim on 14 February, 1837 of pneumonia he left his wife, Katharina (nee DORN), b 1794, with 5 daughters and 2 sons. I'm mostly interested right now in what eventually happened to the daughters: > >>>>> Christina, b 13 Oct, 1822 > >>>>> Katharina, b 25 March, 1826 > >>>>> Margarethe, b 27 Jan, 1828 > >>>>> Sophia, b 21 Aug 1831 and > >>>>> Maria Anna, b 3 Sept, 1833, d 1840. > >>>>> The 2 sons were Georg, b 23 Sept, 1824 and > >>>>> Franz Jacob, b 10 Sept, 1835. The 2 sons emigrated to America as adults. > >>>>> > >>>>> I wonder if there was time to write a will? After his death would it be necessary to have a document giving financial guardianship to someone for those children? Where would I write or email for help about those documents? > >>>>> > >>>>> I do know that the mother, Katharina,(nee DORN) was remarried on 21 Nov, 1837 to Christoph Roehrig. He took on quite a ready made family! If she remarried would it be unnecessary for guardianship or considered more necessary because of the father's estate? > >>>>> > >>>>> The daughters are being difficult to track down later in their lives. A German speaking friend has been reading LDS films for marriages and deaths for me, but has found nothing on the daughters so far. > >>>>> > >>>>> Any suggestions will be appreciated > >>>>> > >>>>> Helen > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message