Kathy, you express the exact same Hesse-Darmstadt problem I've had. But knowing now that it could one of a 100 or so villages, well, it doesn't help. Thanks so much for sharing your info from Alexis. That's indeed amazing. I should probably get started requesting Kirkenbuchs from the local FHS in Central Point. Good thing I'm retired! Thanks, again. Marita Ulrich Jacksonville, Oregon On Jun 2, 2011, at 8:13 AM, Kathy Cochran wrote: > Hello Marita, > > I have been reading your questions and stories with interest about finding > your family in Hesse-Darmstadt. Hesse-Darmstadt was as close as I could > ever come to on any census or naturalization document that I had been able > to find. Then, in January, a list member (Alexis Jungk) found my family in > Alzey, Hesse Darmstadt in 1836. Alexis stated that " I should note that > Alzey was a kreis (an administrative center = "county seat"). Your family > may actually be from any of over 100 villages within about 10 miles. Note > the towns that she has listed below that are part of the Alzey > Administrative center. Maybe her research could help you too. Good luck! > > Kathy Cochran > San Andreas, California > > >> >> One way to check is to rent the church records for Alzey at your >> local LDS Family History Center. Knowing the family religion also >> helps reduce your search. BTW, the records clearly state Alzey was >> Hessen. Read the history of Alzey here >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alzey >> =============== >> Kirchenbuch, 1670-1907 >> Evangelische Kirche Alzey (Kr. Alzey) (Main Author) Parish registers >> of baptisms, marriages, deaths and confirmations for Reformed and >> Lutheran Protestants in Alzey, Hessen, Germany. Includes Dautenheim, >> Bermersheim, Kirchfeld, Weinheim, Albig, Kettenheim, Schafhausen, >> Heppenheim and others, Hessen. >> >> Kirchenbuch, 1692-1908 >> Katholische Kirche Alzey (Main Author) Parish register of baptisms, >> marriages and deaths. >> =============== >> >> I should note that Alzey was a kreis (an administrative center = >> "county seat"). Your family may actually be from any of over 100 >> villages within about 10 miles. >> >> >> At 09:01 PM 1/23/2011, you wrote: >>> From: "Kathy Cochran" <kathys_old_house@goldrush.com> >>> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt >>> >>> This is absolutely INCREDIBLE! Thank you from the bottom of my heart! >>> >>> Kathy >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>> On Behalf Of alexis jungk >>> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 6:30 PM >>> To: hesse@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- all >>> of Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>> >>> Hi again, >>> translated findings: >>> >>> Born, Jacob, origin: Alzey.- Emigration date: 1836-03/ Destination: >>> America, USA.- Age/birth: 7 years. parents:Born, Adam, mason, 41 >>> years >> old, >>> and Born, Sophie nee Lenz, 41 years old.Comments: with parents and 4 >>> siblings. Source: card file Walter M?ller. >> ... > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Marita Ulrich > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 12:27 AM > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Ludwig Ulrich > > Hi Debra and Helen, > > Your suggestions are greatly appreciated. I'll send off for death records > for children born in Hesse-Darmstadt but died in the U.S.A., mainly in New > Jersey. I'll also try to find the death record for Ludwig's wife, Magdelena > Ulrich. Ludwig, according to my bro-in-law, does not have a town listed on > his death certificate. Then there are marriage records to check, also. > > I'm just finding out that Hesse-Darmstadt could mean any one of many towns > in the area. So the hunt for the town is a little more difficult than I > thought. But perhaps the one of the certificate's will come through for me. > > I've also done searches on https://www.familysearch.org/ for Ludwig Ulrich, > but no exact match there. I've seen some new German records, and some on > Hesse-Darmstadt City Records, but they are in old Gothic German script. I > had a very brief peek today, but it's a long shot. Gothic German is like > reading Chinese to me! > > The idea of a hired local researcher sounds better with each disappointment. > > Thanks, too. for the info on Newark, N.J. having a German newspaper at the > time. That and the Woodland Cemetery burial for many Germans has me ready > to go forward. > > Thanks to you and all that have spurred me on! Great help! I should never > have waited so long to sign up for Hesse@rootsweb! > > Cheers to you, > > Marita Ulrich > > > > On Jun 1, 2011, at 2:27 PM, D.L. MacLaughlan-Dumes wrote: > >> >> On Jun 1, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Marita Ulrich wrote: >> >>> As a new subscriber, I am looking for information on Ludwig Ulrich's > family from Hesse-Darmstadt. I would like to find verifying information on > his birth, birthplace, marriage, etc. Any suggestions to help in my search > will be most helpful. I'm planning to stop in Darmstadt in Sep 2011 and want > to tour Ludwig's town/village, hopefully get copies of certificates, and > perhaps find a relative or two? Here's what I have: >>> >>> Ludwig Ulrich, born about 1817 in Darmstadt, married Magdelena ? perhaps > around 1844, she, too was born in Darmstadt, about 1819. They had four > children also born in Darmstadt: Peter, Nov 1844, Jacob, c. 1845, Henry > Charles, 1846 and Ludwig, 1849. They immigrated to the USA about 1850 where > Ludwig and Magdelena had six more children. They lived in Newark, New Jersey > and according to the US census, Ludwig was a stone cutter. >>> >>> Any guidance would be most appreciated. >> >> You may want to try some New Jersey records research first, assuming that > Ludwig Ulrich resided there during the whole of his time in the U.S. A death > record, if you can locate it, may identify his actual city of birth. Then > again, depending on the knowledge of the informant, it may just say > Hesse-Darmstadt or even Germany. But it's worth a try. You might also look > for a death record for any of his children who were born in Hesse-Darmstadt > but who died here. The birthplace might be on that record, and that might > lead you to where Ludwig lived in Hesse-Darmstadt. >> >> Do you have his passenger manifest from his emigration year, if you know > it? Occasionally these include a town of origin, which may simply be the > last place of residence, not birth. But these records can sometimes provide > helpful clues. >> >> The 1860 U.S. federal census recorded the region or foreign state of his > birth, not the town. Ludwig may have been born in the town of Darmstadt but > it's more likely that this stands for Hesse-Darmstadt, the region. There > were hundreds of towns and villages, one of which was Ludwig's home town. > Before you can visit the town you'll need to identify where he was born. >> >> Birth/baptism records in Hesse-Darmstadt are usually found in church > books, same for marriage records. But you'd need to know the parish in order > to check whether these records have been microfilmed and are available for > rental at a local library. Alternatively, once you know the town you could > hire a local researcher to do look-ups for you, which is more expensive than > doing the research yourself...but sometimes archival material is open only > to local researchers. >> >> I did a quick search at https://www.familysearch.org/ to see whether > Ludwig's information had been indexed but didn't have any luck with an exact > match. You might want to do some investigation there to see what you can > find. >> >> Good luck with your search. >> >> Best regards, >> Debra MacLaughlan-Dumes >> Researching: Jatho, Schuchmann, Dressel, etc. in Hesse-Cassel and > Hesse-Darmstadt >> http://sakionline.net/familypage >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1511/3674 - Release Date: 06/01/11 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, being retired helps. I couldn't have gotten this far if I had been working my "normal" 55 hour weeks! Do you know if they were Catholic or if they were Reformed/Lutheran? Maybe one of YOUR 100 villages is centered in Alzey! Wouldn't that be amazing? And then you could go take pictures of BOTH our towns, and send them to me! Wouldn't that be fun! Good luck, Kathy -----Original Message----- From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marita Ulrich Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 10:12 AM To: hesse@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HESSE] Ludwig Ulrich Kathy, you express the exact same Hesse-Darmstadt problem I've had. But knowing now that it could one of a 100 or so villages, well, it doesn't help. Thanks so much for sharing your info from Alexis. That's indeed amazing. I should probably get started requesting Kirkenbuchs from the local FHS in Central Point. Good thing I'm retired! Thanks, again. Marita Ulrich Jacksonville, Oregon On Jun 2, 2011, at 8:13 AM, Kathy Cochran wrote: > Hello Marita, > > I have been reading your questions and stories with interest about finding > your family in Hesse-Darmstadt. Hesse-Darmstadt was as close as I could > ever come to on any census or naturalization document that I had been able > to find. Then, in January, a list member (Alexis Jungk) found my family in > Alzey, Hesse Darmstadt in 1836. Alexis stated that " I should note that > Alzey was a kreis (an administrative center = "county seat"). Your family > may actually be from any of over 100 villages within about 10 miles. Note > the towns that she has listed below that are part of the Alzey > Administrative center. Maybe her research could help you too. Good luck! > > Kathy Cochran > San Andreas, California > > >> >> One way to check is to rent the church records for Alzey at your >> local LDS Family History Center. Knowing the family religion also >> helps reduce your search. BTW, the records clearly state Alzey was >> Hessen. Read the history of Alzey here >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alzey >> =============== >> Kirchenbuch, 1670-1907 >> Evangelische Kirche Alzey (Kr. Alzey) (Main Author) Parish registers >> of baptisms, marriages, deaths and confirmations for Reformed and >> Lutheran Protestants in Alzey, Hessen, Germany. Includes Dautenheim, >> Bermersheim, Kirchfeld, Weinheim, Albig, Kettenheim, Schafhausen, >> Heppenheim and others, Hessen. >> >> Kirchenbuch, 1692-1908 >> Katholische Kirche Alzey (Main Author) Parish register of baptisms, >> marriages and deaths. >> =============== >> >> I should note that Alzey was a kreis (an administrative center = >> "county seat"). Your family may actually be from any of over 100 >> villages within about 10 miles. >> >> >> At 09:01 PM 1/23/2011, you wrote: >>> From: "Kathy Cochran" <kathys_old_house@goldrush.com> >>> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt >>> >>> This is absolutely INCREDIBLE! Thank you from the bottom of my heart! >>> >>> Kathy >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>> On Behalf Of alexis jungk >>> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 6:30 PM >>> To: hesse@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- all >>> of Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>> >>> Hi again, >>> translated findings: >>> >>> Born, Jacob, origin: Alzey.- Emigration date: 1836-03/ Destination: >>> America, USA.- Age/birth: 7 years. parents:Born, Adam, mason, 41 >>> years >> old, >>> and Born, Sophie nee Lenz, 41 years old.Comments: with parents and 4 >>> siblings. Source: card file Walter M?ller. >> ... > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Marita Ulrich > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 12:27 AM > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Ludwig Ulrich > > Hi Debra and Helen, > > Your suggestions are greatly appreciated. I'll send off for death records > for children born in Hesse-Darmstadt but died in the U.S.A., mainly in New > Jersey. I'll also try to find the death record for Ludwig's wife, Magdelena > Ulrich. Ludwig, according to my bro-in-law, does not have a town listed on > his death certificate. Then there are marriage records to check, also. > > I'm just finding out that Hesse-Darmstadt could mean any one of many towns > in the area. So the hunt for the town is a little more difficult than I > thought. But perhaps the one of the certificate's will come through for me. > > I've also done searches on https://www.familysearch.org/ for Ludwig Ulrich, > but no exact match there. I've seen some new German records, and some on > Hesse-Darmstadt City Records, but they are in old Gothic German script. I > had a very brief peek today, but it's a long shot. Gothic German is like > reading Chinese to me! > > The idea of a hired local researcher sounds better with each disappointment. > > Thanks, too. for the info on Newark, N.J. having a German newspaper at the > time. That and the Woodland Cemetery burial for many Germans has me ready > to go forward. > > Thanks to you and all that have spurred me on! Great help! I should never > have waited so long to sign up for Hesse@rootsweb! > > Cheers to you, > > Marita Ulrich > > > > On Jun 1, 2011, at 2:27 PM, D.L. MacLaughlan-Dumes wrote: > >> >> On Jun 1, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Marita Ulrich wrote: >> >>> As a new subscriber, I am looking for information on Ludwig Ulrich's > family from Hesse-Darmstadt. I would like to find verifying information on > his birth, birthplace, marriage, etc. Any suggestions to help in my search > will be most helpful. I'm planning to stop in Darmstadt in Sep 2011 and want > to tour Ludwig's town/village, hopefully get copies of certificates, and > perhaps find a relative or two? Here's what I have: >>> >>> Ludwig Ulrich, born about 1817 in Darmstadt, married Magdelena ? perhaps > around 1844, she, too was born in Darmstadt, about 1819. They had four > children also born in Darmstadt: Peter, Nov 1844, Jacob, c. 1845, Henry > Charles, 1846 and Ludwig, 1849. They immigrated to the USA about 1850 where > Ludwig and Magdelena had six more children. They lived in Newark, New Jersey > and according to the US census, Ludwig was a stone cutter. >>> >>> Any guidance would be most appreciated. >> >> You may want to try some New Jersey records research first, assuming that > Ludwig Ulrich resided there during the whole of his time in the U.S. A death > record, if you can locate it, may identify his actual city of birth. Then > again, depending on the knowledge of the informant, it may just say > Hesse-Darmstadt or even Germany. But it's worth a try. You might also look > for a death record for any of his children who were born in Hesse-Darmstadt > but who died here. The birthplace might be on that record, and that might > lead you to where Ludwig lived in Hesse-Darmstadt. >> >> Do you have his passenger manifest from his emigration year, if you know > it? Occasionally these include a town of origin, which may simply be the > last place of residence, not birth. But these records can sometimes provide > helpful clues. >> >> The 1860 U.S. federal census recorded the region or foreign state of his > birth, not the town. Ludwig may have been born in the town of Darmstadt but > it's more likely that this stands for Hesse-Darmstadt, the region. There > were hundreds of towns and villages, one of which was Ludwig's home town. > Before you can visit the town you'll need to identify where he was born. >> >> Birth/baptism records in Hesse-Darmstadt are usually found in church > books, same for marriage records. But you'd need to know the parish in order > to check whether these records have been microfilmed and are available for > rental at a local library. Alternatively, once you know the town you could > hire a local researcher to do look-ups for you, which is more expensive than > doing the research yourself...but sometimes archival material is open only > to local researchers. >> >> I did a quick search at https://www.familysearch.org/ to see whether > Ludwig's information had been indexed but didn't have any luck with an exact > match. You might want to do some investigation there to see what you can > find. >> >> Good luck with your search. >> >> Best regards, >> Debra MacLaughlan-Dumes >> Researching: Jatho, Schuchmann, Dressel, etc. in Hesse-Cassel and > Hesse-Darmstadt >> http://sakionline.net/familypage >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1511/3674 - Release Date: 06/01/11 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. 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