As a new subscriber, I am looking for information on Ludwig Ulrich's family from Hesse-Darmstadt. I would like to find verifying information on his birth, birthplace, marriage, etc. Any suggestions to help in my search will be most helpful. I'm planning to stop in Darmstadt in Sep 2011 and want to tour Ludwig's town/village, hopefully get copies of certificates, and perhaps find a relative or two? Here's what I have: Ludwig Ulrich, born about 1817 in Darmstadt, married Magdelena ? perhaps around 1844, she, too was born in Darmstadt, about 1819. They had four children also born in Darmstadt: Peter, Nov 1844, Jacob, c. 1845, Henry Charles, 1846 and Ludwig, 1849. They immigrated to the USA about 1850 where Ludwig and Magdelena had six more children. They lived in Newark, New Jersey and according to the US census, Ludwig was a stone cutter. Any guidance would be most appreciated. Marita Ulrich

On Jun 1, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Marita Ulrich wrote: > As a new subscriber, I am looking for information on Ludwig Ulrich's family from Hesse-Darmstadt. I would like to find verifying information on his birth, birthplace, marriage, etc. Any suggestions to help in my search will be most helpful. I'm planning to stop in Darmstadt in Sep 2011 and want to tour Ludwig's town/village, hopefully get copies of certificates, and perhaps find a relative or two? Here's what I have: > > Ludwig Ulrich, born about 1817 in Darmstadt, married Magdelena ? perhaps around 1844, she, too was born in Darmstadt, about 1819. They had four children also born in Darmstadt: Peter, Nov 1844, Jacob, c. 1845, Henry Charles, 1846 and Ludwig, 1849. They immigrated to the USA about 1850 where Ludwig and Magdelena had six more children. They lived in Newark, New Jersey and according to the US census, Ludwig was a stone cutter. > > Any guidance would be most appreciated. You may want to try some New Jersey records research first, assuming that Ludwig Ulrich resided there during the whole of his time in the U.S. A death record, if you can locate it, may identify his actual city of birth. Then again, depending on the knowledge of the informant, it may just say Hesse-Darmstadt or even Germany. But it's worth a try. You might also look for a death record for any of his children who were born in Hesse-Darmstadt but who died here. The birthplace might be on that record, and that might lead you to where Ludwig lived in Hesse-Darmstadt. Do you have his passenger manifest from his emigration year, if you know it? Occasionally these include a town of origin, which may simply be the last place of residence, not birth. But these records can sometimes provide helpful clues. The 1860 U.S. federal census recorded the region or foreign state of his birth, not the town. Ludwig may have been born in the town of Darmstadt but it's more likely that this stands for Hesse-Darmstadt, the region. There were hundreds of towns and villages, one of which was Ludwig's home town. Before you can visit the town you'll need to identify where he was born. Birth/baptism records in Hesse-Darmstadt are usually found in church books, same for marriage records. But you'd need to know the parish in order to check whether these records have been microfilmed and are available for rental at a local library. Alternatively, once you know the town you could hire a local researcher to do look-ups for you, which is more expensive than doing the research yourself...but sometimes archival material is open only to local researchers. I did a quick search at https://www.familysearch.org/ to see whether Ludwig's information had been indexed but didn't have any luck with an exact match. You might want to do some investigation there to see what you can find. Good luck with your search. Best regards, Debra MacLaughlan-Dumes Researching: Jatho, Schuchmann, Dressel, etc. in Hesse-Cassel and Hesse-Darmstadt http://sakionline.net/familypage

Hi Debra and Helen, Your suggestions are greatly appreciated. I'll send off for death records for children born in Hesse-Darmstadt but died in the U.S.A., mainly in New Jersey. I'll also try to find the death record for Ludwig's wife, Magdelena Ulrich. Ludwig, according to my bro-in-law, does not have a town listed on his death certificate. Then there are marriage records to check, also. I'm just finding out that Hesse-Darmstadt could mean any one of many towns in the area. So the hunt for the town is a little more difficult than I thought. But perhaps the one of the certificate's will come through for me. I've also done searches on https://www.familysearch.org/ for Ludwig Ulrich, but no exact match there. I've seen some new German records, and some on Hesse-Darmstadt City Records, but they are in old Gothic German script. I had a very brief peek today, but it's a long shot. Gothic German is like reading Chinese to me! The idea of a hired local researcher sounds better with each disappointment. Thanks, too. for the info on Newark, N.J. having a German newspaper at the time. That and the Woodland Cemetery burial for many Germans has me ready to go forward. Thanks to you and all that have spurred me on! Great help! I should never have waited so long to sign up for Hesse@rootsweb! Cheers to you, Marita Ulrich On Jun 1, 2011, at 2:27 PM, D.L. MacLaughlan-Dumes wrote: > > On Jun 1, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Marita Ulrich wrote: > >> As a new subscriber, I am looking for information on Ludwig Ulrich's family from Hesse-Darmstadt. I would like to find verifying information on his birth, birthplace, marriage, etc. Any suggestions to help in my search will be most helpful. I'm planning to stop in Darmstadt in Sep 2011 and want to tour Ludwig's town/village, hopefully get copies of certificates, and perhaps find a relative or two? Here's what I have: >> >> Ludwig Ulrich, born about 1817 in Darmstadt, married Magdelena ? perhaps around 1844, she, too was born in Darmstadt, about 1819. They had four children also born in Darmstadt: Peter, Nov 1844, Jacob, c. 1845, Henry Charles, 1846 and Ludwig, 1849. They immigrated to the USA about 1850 where Ludwig and Magdelena had six more children. They lived in Newark, New Jersey and according to the US census, Ludwig was a stone cutter. >> >> Any guidance would be most appreciated. > > You may want to try some New Jersey records research first, assuming that Ludwig Ulrich resided there during the whole of his time in the U.S. A death record, if you can locate it, may identify his actual city of birth. Then again, depending on the knowledge of the informant, it may just say Hesse-Darmstadt or even Germany. But it's worth a try. You might also look for a death record for any of his children who were born in Hesse-Darmstadt but who died here. The birthplace might be on that record, and that might lead you to where Ludwig lived in Hesse-Darmstadt. > > Do you have his passenger manifest from his emigration year, if you know it? Occasionally these include a town of origin, which may simply be the last place of residence, not birth. But these records can sometimes provide helpful clues. > > The 1860 U.S. federal census recorded the region or foreign state of his birth, not the town. Ludwig may have been born in the town of Darmstadt but it's more likely that this stands for Hesse-Darmstadt, the region. There were hundreds of towns and villages, one of which was Ludwig's home town. Before you can visit the town you'll need to identify where he was born. > > Birth/baptism records in Hesse-Darmstadt are usually found in church books, same for marriage records. But you'd need to know the parish in order to check whether these records have been microfilmed and are available for rental at a local library. Alternatively, once you know the town you could hire a local researcher to do look-ups for you, which is more expensive than doing the research yourself...but sometimes archival material is open only to local researchers. > > I did a quick search at https://www.familysearch.org/ to see whether Ludwig's information had been indexed but didn't have any luck with an exact match. You might want to do some investigation there to see what you can find. > > Good luck with your search. > > Best regards, > Debra MacLaughlan-Dumes > Researching: Jatho, Schuchmann, Dressel, etc. in Hesse-Cassel and Hesse-Darmstadt > http://sakionline.net/familypage > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Marita, I have been reading your questions and stories with interest about finding your family in Hesse-Darmstadt. Hesse-Darmstadt was as close as I could ever come to on any census or naturalization document that I had been able to find. Then, in January, a list member (Alexis Jungk) found my family in Alzey, Hesse Darmstadt in 1836. Alexis stated that " I should note that Alzey was a kreis (an administrative center = "county seat"). Your family may actually be from any of over 100 villages within about 10 miles. Note the towns that she has listed below that are part of the Alzey Administrative center. Maybe her research could help you too. Good luck! Kathy Cochran San Andreas, California > > One way to check is to rent the church records for Alzey at your > local LDS Family History Center. Knowing the family religion also > helps reduce your search. BTW, the records clearly state Alzey was > Hessen. Read the history of Alzey here > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alzey > =============== > Kirchenbuch, 1670-1907 > Evangelische Kirche Alzey (Kr. Alzey) (Main Author) Parish registers > of baptisms, marriages, deaths and confirmations for Reformed and > Lutheran Protestants in Alzey, Hessen, Germany. Includes Dautenheim, > Bermersheim, Kirchfeld, Weinheim, Albig, Kettenheim, Schafhausen, > Heppenheim and others, Hessen. > > Kirchenbuch, 1692-1908 > Katholische Kirche Alzey (Main Author) Parish register of baptisms, > marriages and deaths. > =============== > > I should note that Alzey was a kreis (an administrative center = > "county seat"). Your family may actually be from any of over 100 > villages within about 10 miles. > > > At 09:01 PM 1/23/2011, you wrote: > >From: "Kathy Cochran" <kathys_old_house@goldrush.com> > >Subject: Re: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt > > > >This is absolutely INCREDIBLE! Thank you from the bottom of my heart! > > > >Kathy > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] > >On Behalf Of alexis jungk > >Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 6:30 PM > >To: hesse@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- all > >of Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > >Hi again, > >translated findings: > > > > Born, Jacob, origin: Alzey.- Emigration date: 1836-03/ Destination: > >America, USA.- Age/birth: 7 years. parents:Born, Adam, mason, 41 > >years > old, > >and Born, Sophie nee Lenz, 41 years old.Comments: with parents and 4 > >siblings. Source: card file Walter M?ller. > ... -----Original Message----- From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marita Ulrich Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 12:27 AM To: hesse@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HESSE] Ludwig Ulrich Hi Debra and Helen, Your suggestions are greatly appreciated. I'll send off for death records for children born in Hesse-Darmstadt but died in the U.S.A., mainly in New Jersey. I'll also try to find the death record for Ludwig's wife, Magdelena Ulrich. Ludwig, according to my bro-in-law, does not have a town listed on his death certificate. Then there are marriage records to check, also. I'm just finding out that Hesse-Darmstadt could mean any one of many towns in the area. So the hunt for the town is a little more difficult than I thought. But perhaps the one of the certificate's will come through for me. I've also done searches on https://www.familysearch.org/ for Ludwig Ulrich, but no exact match there. I've seen some new German records, and some on Hesse-Darmstadt City Records, but they are in old Gothic German script. I had a very brief peek today, but it's a long shot. Gothic German is like reading Chinese to me! The idea of a hired local researcher sounds better with each disappointment. Thanks, too. for the info on Newark, N.J. having a German newspaper at the time. That and the Woodland Cemetery burial for many Germans has me ready to go forward. Thanks to you and all that have spurred me on! Great help! I should never have waited so long to sign up for Hesse@rootsweb! Cheers to you, Marita Ulrich On Jun 1, 2011, at 2:27 PM, D.L. MacLaughlan-Dumes wrote: > > On Jun 1, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Marita Ulrich wrote: > >> As a new subscriber, I am looking for information on Ludwig Ulrich's family from Hesse-Darmstadt. I would like to find verifying information on his birth, birthplace, marriage, etc. Any suggestions to help in my search will be most helpful. I'm planning to stop in Darmstadt in Sep 2011 and want to tour Ludwig's town/village, hopefully get copies of certificates, and perhaps find a relative or two? Here's what I have: >> >> Ludwig Ulrich, born about 1817 in Darmstadt, married Magdelena ? perhaps around 1844, she, too was born in Darmstadt, about 1819. They had four children also born in Darmstadt: Peter, Nov 1844, Jacob, c. 1845, Henry Charles, 1846 and Ludwig, 1849. They immigrated to the USA about 1850 where Ludwig and Magdelena had six more children. They lived in Newark, New Jersey and according to the US census, Ludwig was a stone cutter. >> >> Any guidance would be most appreciated. > > You may want to try some New Jersey records research first, assuming that Ludwig Ulrich resided there during the whole of his time in the U.S. A death record, if you can locate it, may identify his actual city of birth. Then again, depending on the knowledge of the informant, it may just say Hesse-Darmstadt or even Germany. But it's worth a try. You might also look for a death record for any of his children who were born in Hesse-Darmstadt but who died here. The birthplace might be on that record, and that might lead you to where Ludwig lived in Hesse-Darmstadt. > > Do you have his passenger manifest from his emigration year, if you know it? Occasionally these include a town of origin, which may simply be the last place of residence, not birth. But these records can sometimes provide helpful clues. > > The 1860 U.S. federal census recorded the region or foreign state of his birth, not the town. Ludwig may have been born in the town of Darmstadt but it's more likely that this stands for Hesse-Darmstadt, the region. There were hundreds of towns and villages, one of which was Ludwig's home town. Before you can visit the town you'll need to identify where he was born. > > Birth/baptism records in Hesse-Darmstadt are usually found in church books, same for marriage records. But you'd need to know the parish in order to check whether these records have been microfilmed and are available for rental at a local library. Alternatively, once you know the town you could hire a local researcher to do look-ups for you, which is more expensive than doing the research yourself...but sometimes archival material is open only to local researchers. > > I did a quick search at https://www.familysearch.org/ to see whether Ludwig's information had been indexed but didn't have any luck with an exact match. You might want to do some investigation there to see what you can find. > > Good luck with your search. > > Best regards, > Debra MacLaughlan-Dumes > Researching: Jatho, Schuchmann, Dressel, etc. in Hesse-Cassel and Hesse-Darmstadt > http://sakionline.net/familypage > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1511/3674 - Release Date: 06/01/11

Another avenue to search is to try and find the church he belonged to. If he belonged to a German church and he had any children born or married in the church, it will probably give his town of birth. It will be in German. You should google for old German script which gives information on how to read it. There are some excellent books to teach that skill also. It's an artform learning to read old German documents, but if you like learning new things it can be a rewarding adventure. There are a few of us here who aren't too bad at reading it, so you might even ask for help once in a while. ;') If you're serious about doing your own research, pick up a good German-English dictionary. It will help in figuring out some words. But once you make the leap overseas, expect to have to deal with Latin too. BTW, printed German documents will be in Fractur, and handwritten ones will be in handschrift (aka Old German Script, aka Sutterlin). Sutterlin is a bit misleading, as it was a writing style promoted near the end of the handwriting period, in an attempt to standardize handwriting. But the Sutterlin script is fairly representative of what you'll see. Along with a great many variations in some letters for some hands. Any place you see Old German Script alphabets it's likely to be Sutterlin. But it's not properly called Gothic writing, which is something different entirely, but I've seen people call it that. Here's a pair of links I like: lower case http://www.suetterlinschrift.de/Lese/Kanzlei1.htm upper case http://www.suetterlinschrift.de/Lese/Kanzlei2.htm I still use them for problem writers, and I have a *few* of them in my families' towns. Happy hunting, Brian On Thu, June 2, 2011 2:27 am, Marita Ulrich wrote: > ... > I've seen some new German records, and > some on Hesse-Darmstadt City Records, but they are in old Gothic German > script. I had a very brief peek today, but it's a long shot. Gothic > German is like reading Chinese to me! > > The idea of a hired local researcher sounds better with each > disappointment. >

Hi Brian, Thanks for your suggestions. I dug out a booklet I've had on the shelf for years, Witter's "Deutsch-Englische SCHREIB - und LESE - FIBEL". So I have started on some familiarity of that. I have an old German-English dictionary, too, but perhaps I need to invest in a better one. This is going to be a full on attack of the Ludwig Ulrich family search! Thanks, too, for the links. Hopefully, with perseverance I'll crack this Ludwig Ulrich family. Great information! Marita Ulrich Jacksonville, Oregon On Jun 2, 2011, at 9:49 AM, brian@amason.net wrote: > Another avenue to search is to try and find the church he belonged to. > If he belonged to a German church and he had any children born or married > in the church, it will probably give his town of birth. It will be in > German. You should google for old German script which gives information on > how to read it. There are some excellent books to teach that skill also. > It's an artform learning to read old German documents, but if you like > learning new things it can be a rewarding adventure. There are a few of us > here who aren't too bad at reading it, so you might even ask for help once > in a while. ;') > > If you're serious about doing your own research, pick up a good > German-English dictionary. It will help in figuring out some words. But > once you make the leap overseas, expect to have to deal with Latin too. > > BTW, printed German documents will be in Fractur, and handwritten ones > will be in handschrift (aka Old German Script, aka Sutterlin). Sutterlin > is a bit misleading, as it was a writing style promoted near the end of > the handwriting period, in an attempt to standardize handwriting. But the > Sutterlin script is fairly representative of what you'll see. Along with a > great many variations in some letters for some hands. Any place you see > Old German Script alphabets it's likely to be Sutterlin. But it's not > properly called Gothic writing, which is something different entirely, but > I've seen people call it that. > > Here's a pair of links I like: > lower case > http://www.suetterlinschrift.de/Lese/Kanzlei1.htm > upper case > http://www.suetterlinschrift.de/Lese/Kanzlei2.htm > > I still use them for problem writers, and I have a *few* of them in my > families' towns. > > Happy hunting, > Brian > > On Thu, June 2, 2011 2:27 am, Marita Ulrich wrote: >> ... >> I've seen some new German records, and >> some on Hesse-Darmstadt City Records, but they are in old Gothic German >> script. I had a very brief peek today, but it's a long shot. Gothic >> German is like reading Chinese to me! >> >> The idea of a hired local researcher sounds better with each >> disappointment. >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Marita, I have a Ludwig Ulrich in Wolfersheim, Germany. He was born in 01.10.1846 and died in 21.04.1896. My gggrand mother was an Ulrich also from Wolfersheim. She married Anton Stuber, immigrated to the US and settled in Newark, New Jersey. I know this is a shot in the dark but who knows? With Regards, Ken----- Original Message ----- From: "Marita Ulrich" <mulrich@coretek.org> To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 3:27 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Ludwig Ulrich > Hi Debra and Helen, > > Your suggestions are greatly appreciated. I'll send off for death records > for children born in Hesse-Darmstadt but died in the U.S.A., mainly in New > Jersey. I'll also try to find the death record for Ludwig's wife, > Magdelena Ulrich. Ludwig, according to my bro-in-law, does not have a > town listed on his death certificate. Then there are marriage records to > check, also. > > I'm just finding out that Hesse-Darmstadt could mean any one of many towns > in the area. So the hunt for the town is a little more difficult than I > thought. But perhaps the one of the certificate's will come through for > me. > > I've also done searches on https://www.familysearch.org/ for Ludwig > Ulrich, but no exact match there. I've seen some new German records, and > some on Hesse-Darmstadt City Records, but they are in old Gothic German > script. I had a very brief peek today, but it's a long shot. Gothic > German is like reading Chinese to me! > > The idea of a hired local researcher sounds better with each > disappointment. > > Thanks, too. for the info on Newark, N.J. having a German newspaper at the > time. That and the Woodland Cemetery burial for many Germans has me ready > to go forward. > > Thanks to you and all that have spurred me on! Great help! I should > never have waited so long to sign up for Hesse@rootsweb! > > Cheers to you, > > Marita Ulrich > > > > On Jun 1, 2011, at 2:27 PM, D.L. MacLaughlan-Dumes wrote: > >> >> On Jun 1, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Marita Ulrich wrote: >> >>> As a new subscriber, I am looking for information on Ludwig Ulrich's >>> family from Hesse-Darmstadt. I would like to find verifying information >>> on his birth, birthplace, marriage, etc. Any suggestions to help in my >>> search will be most helpful. I'm planning to stop in Darmstadt in Sep >>> 2011 and want to tour Ludwig's town/village, hopefully get copies of >>> certificates, and perhaps find a relative or two? Here's what I have: >>> >>> Ludwig Ulrich, born about 1817 in Darmstadt, married Magdelena ? perhaps >>> around 1844, she, too was born in Darmstadt, about 1819. They had four >>> children also born in Darmstadt: Peter, Nov 1844, Jacob, c. 1845, Henry >>> Charles, 1846 and Ludwig, 1849. They immigrated to the USA about 1850 >>> where Ludwig and Magdelena had six more children. They lived in Newark, >>> New Jersey and according to the US census, Ludwig was a stone cutter. >>> >>> Any guidance would be most appreciated. >> >> You may want to try some New Jersey records research first, assuming that >> Ludwig Ulrich resided there during the whole of his time in the U.S. A >> death record, if you can locate it, may identify his actual city of >> birth. Then again, depending on the knowledge of the informant, it may >> just say Hesse-Darmstadt or even Germany. But it's worth a try. You might >> also look for a death record for any of his children who were born in >> Hesse-Darmstadt but who died here. The birthplace might be on that >> record, and that might lead you to where Ludwig lived in Hesse-Darmstadt. >> >> Do you have his passenger manifest from his emigration year, if you know >> it? Occasionally these include a town of origin, which may simply be the >> last place of residence, not birth. But these records can sometimes >> provide helpful clues. >> >> The 1860 U.S. federal census recorded the region or foreign state of his >> birth, not the town. Ludwig may have been born in the town of Darmstadt >> but it's more likely that this stands for Hesse-Darmstadt, the region. >> There were hundreds of towns and villages, one of which was Ludwig's home >> town. Before you can visit the town you'll need to identify where he was >> born. >> >> Birth/baptism records in Hesse-Darmstadt are usually found in church >> books, same for marriage records. But you'd need to know the parish in >> order to check whether these records have been microfilmed and are >> available for rental at a local library. Alternatively, once you know the >> town you could hire a local researcher to do look-ups for you, which is >> more expensive than doing the research yourself...but sometimes archival >> material is open only to local researchers. >> >> I did a quick search at https://www.familysearch.org/ to see whether >> Ludwig's information had been indexed but didn't have any luck with an >> exact match. You might want to do some investigation there to see what >> you can find. >> >> Good luck with your search. >> >> Best regards, >> Debra MacLaughlan-Dumes >> Researching: Jatho, Schuchmann, Dressel, etc. in Hesse-Cassel and >> Hesse-Darmstadt >> http://sakionline.net/familypage >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Ken. I've printed out your information and will keep you in mind should I happen to find Wolfersheim in the mix. Marita Jacksonville, Oregon On Jun 2, 2011, at 1:14 PM, Ken Steeber wrote: > Hello Marita, I have a Ludwig Ulrich in Wolfersheim, Germany. He was born > in 01.10.1846 and died in 21.04.1896. My gggrand mother was an Ulrich also > from Wolfersheim. She married Anton Stuber, immigrated to the US and > settled in Newark, New Jersey. I know this is a shot in the dark but who > knows? With Regards, Ken----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marita Ulrich" <mulrich@coretek.org> > To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 3:27 AM > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Ludwig Ulrich > > >> Hi Debra and Helen, >> >> Your suggestions are greatly appreciated. I'll send off for death records >> for children born in Hesse-Darmstadt but died in the U.S.A., mainly in New >> Jersey. I'll also try to find the death record for Ludwig's wife, >> Magdelena Ulrich. Ludwig, according to my bro-in-law, does not have a >> town listed on his death certificate. Then there are marriage records to >> check, also. >> >> I'm just finding out that Hesse-Darmstadt could mean any one of many towns >> in the area. So the hunt for the town is a little more difficult than I >> thought. But perhaps the one of the certificate's will come through for >> me. >> >> I've also done searches on https://www.familysearch.org/ for Ludwig >> Ulrich, but no exact match there. I've seen some new German records, and >> some on Hesse-Darmstadt City Records, but they are in old Gothic German >> script. I had a very brief peek today, but it's a long shot. Gothic >> German is like reading Chinese to me! >> >> The idea of a hired local researcher sounds better with each >> disappointment. >> >> Thanks, too. for the info on Newark, N.J. having a German newspaper at the >> time. That and the Woodland Cemetery burial for many Germans has me ready >> to go forward. >> >> Thanks to you and all that have spurred me on! Great help! I should >> never have waited so long to sign up for Hesse@rootsweb! >> >> Cheers to you, >> >> Marita Ulrich >> >> >> >> On Jun 1, 2011, at 2:27 PM, D.L. MacLaughlan-Dumes wrote: >> >>> >>> On Jun 1, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Marita Ulrich wrote: >>> >>>> As a new subscriber, I am looking for information on Ludwig Ulrich's >>>> family from Hesse-Darmstadt. I would like to find verifying information >>>> on his birth, birthplace, marriage, etc. Any suggestions to help in my >>>> search will be most helpful. I'm planning to stop in Darmstadt in Sep >>>> 2011 and want to tour Ludwig's town/village, hopefully get copies of >>>> certificates, and perhaps find a relative or two? Here's what I have: >>>> >>>> Ludwig Ulrich, born about 1817 in Darmstadt, married Magdelena ? perhaps >>>> around 1844, she, too was born in Darmstadt, about 1819. They had four >>>> children also born in Darmstadt: Peter, Nov 1844, Jacob, c. 1845, Henry >>>> Charles, 1846 and Ludwig, 1849. They immigrated to the USA about 1850 >>>> where Ludwig and Magdelena had six more children. They lived in Newark, >>>> New Jersey and according to the US census, Ludwig was a stone cutter. >>>> >>>> Any guidance would be most appreciated. >>> >>> You may want to try some New Jersey records research first, assuming that >>> Ludwig Ulrich resided there during the whole of his time in the U.S. A >>> death record, if you can locate it, may identify his actual city of >>> birth. Then again, depending on the knowledge of the informant, it may >>> just say Hesse-Darmstadt or even Germany. But it's worth a try. You might >>> also look for a death record for any of his children who were born in >>> Hesse-Darmstadt but who died here. The birthplace might be on that >>> record, and that might lead you to where Ludwig lived in Hesse-Darmstadt. >>> >>> Do you have his passenger manifest from his emigration year, if you know >>> it? Occasionally these include a town of origin, which may simply be the >>> last place of residence, not birth. But these records can sometimes >>> provide helpful clues. >>> >>> The 1860 U.S. federal census recorded the region or foreign state of his >>> birth, not the town. Ludwig may have been born in the town of Darmstadt >>> but it's more likely that this stands for Hesse-Darmstadt, the region. >>> There were hundreds of towns and villages, one of which was Ludwig's home >>> town. Before you can visit the town you'll need to identify where he was >>> born. >>> >>> Birth/baptism records in Hesse-Darmstadt are usually found in church >>> books, same for marriage records. But you'd need to know the parish in >>> order to check whether these records have been microfilmed and are >>> available for rental at a local library. Alternatively, once you know the >>> town you could hire a local researcher to do look-ups for you, which is >>> more expensive than doing the research yourself...but sometimes archival >>> material is open only to local researchers. >>> >>> I did a quick search at https://www.familysearch.org/ to see whether >>> Ludwig's information had been indexed but didn't have any luck with an >>> exact match. You might want to do some investigation there to see what >>> you can find. >>> >>> Good luck with your search. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Debra MacLaughlan-Dumes >>> Researching: Jatho, Schuchmann, Dressel, etc. in Hesse-Cassel and >>> Hesse-Darmstadt >>> http://sakionline.net/familypage >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The NJ State Archives has an exceptional collections of records, especially for the time period you are researching. You should have no trouble locating death and marriage records. The later death records will tell you where they are buried. Many Germans were buried in Woodland Cemetery in Newark. There is a volunteer group working on collecting info and transcribing tombstones for the cemetery. You can contact Mary Lish at marylish@gmail.com and see if she has any of your folks in her database. Most of the vital records are probably going to give Germany as the place of birth - possibly Darmstadt. Rarely, the name of a town. However, Newark did have a German newspaper at the time and you might be able to get a death notice from there that would give more info. This newspaper is also at the Archives. Hope this helps Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marita Ulrich" <mulrich@coretek.org> To: <HESSE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 3:29 PM Subject: [HESSE] Ludwig Ulrich > As a new subscriber, I am looking for information on Ludwig Ulrich's > family from Hesse-Darmstadt. I would like to find verifying information > on his birth, birthplace, marriage, etc. Any suggestions to help in my > search will be most helpful. I'm planning to stop in Darmstadt in Sep 2011 > and want to tour Ludwig's town/village, hopefully get copies of > certificates, and perhaps find a relative or two? Here's what I have: > > Ludwig Ulrich, born about 1817 in Darmstadt, married Magdelena ? perhaps > around 1844, she, too was born in Darmstadt, about 1819. They had four > children also born in Darmstadt: Peter, Nov 1844, Jacob, c. 1845, Henry > Charles, 1846 and Ludwig, 1849. They immigrated to the USA about 1850 > where Ludwig and Magdelena had six more children. They lived in Newark, > New Jersey and according to the US census, Ludwig was a stone cutter. > > Any guidance would be most appreciated. > > Marita Ulrich > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message