-----Original Message----- From: user917826 <user917826@aol.com> To: UFoster442 <UFoster442@aol.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:32 pm Subject: Re: Heck Sue...a quick check of children's names include only the ones mentioned. Johann Kaspar Heck only had two sons, Johannes and Johann Heinrich Heck. He also had a bevy of girls. One of which was a Magdalena. Maria and Magdalena are two names which carried through my family for a few generations. Bev W -----Original Message----- From: UFoster442 <UFoster442@aol.com> To: user917826 <user917826@aol.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:02 pm Subject: Heck Hi Bev, I have Heck in my direct line but not until 1745. Johanna Elisabetha Heck was born in Fechenheim, now a part of Frankfurt am Main. Her father, Martin Heck (b.1716) and mother Maria Magdalena Mueller were also born there. Her grandfather Christoffel Heck (b. about 1688) died in Fechenheim but his birth/baptism record is not in the Fechenheim church records. Mention is made about Christoffel's father, Just Heck (b. about 1630), being from Kilios Statt, which I am thinking might be Kilianstaedten which is only about 3 miles southeast of Karben and Gross Karben. I know you are more interested in getting information on the maternal lines. But you indicate that you received some information from researchers on the Heck line. Do any of these names appear in your records? Sue Foster My Oberkalbach Web Site - http://ursula.foster.cc/ My Fechenheim Web Site -http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fechenheim/

-----Original Message----- From: user917826 <user917826@aol.com> To: UFoster442 <UFoster442@aol.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:27 pm Subject: Re: Heck Hi Sue, I am actually interested in ANY and All information I can find about the Heck family and related lines. I have the paternal line as follows: Herman Heck; b. circa 1703- d. circa 1777 m. Anna Gertraud b. cira 1711 -d, 17 June, 1786 in Gros-Karben 1. . Johann Kaspar Heck b. 12 March 1750 married Maria Barbara Bauer (d/o Johannes Bauer) Johann Kaspar Heck was shepherd to Baron Von Leonardi. He and his wife had eight children including Johann Heinrich Heck from the previous post. 2. Johannes Heck Johann Heinrich Heck apparently became a tailor. He was born 1 April 1788 - d. 28 April 1840 in Gross Karben.He married Anna Dorothea Bronst (b. 9 April 1784- d, 27 Nov 1856 Gros-Karben). They had five daughters and my ggggrandfather Johann Georg Heck, my immigrant ancestor. It actually appears that the two children noted in the Karben records were perhaps the youngest of Hermann and Anna Heck. Hermann Heck was 47 when Johann Kaspar was born. My researcher told me that Hermann Heck was not originally from Gros-Karben. Since he was a shepherd, he could have traveled a bit. I would love to find birth locations for him and his wife as well. His marriage to Anna Gertraud may even have been a second marriage. I would certainly be delighted if we could determine a connection between our respective Heck lines. It certainly seems that they lived close to one another. Bev W -----Original Message----- From: UFoster442 <UFoster442@aol.com> To: user917826 <user917826@aol.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:02 pm Subject: Heck Hi Bev, I have Heck in my direct line but not until 1745. Johanna Elisabetha Heck was born in Fechenheim, now a part of Frankfurt am Main. Her father, Martin Heck (b.1716) and mother Maria Magdalena Mueller were also born there. Her grandfather Christoffel Heck (b. about 1688) died in Fechenheim but his birth/baptism record is not in the Fechenheim church records. Mention is made about Christoffel's father, Just Heck (b. about 1630), being from Kilios Statt, which I am thinking might be Kilianstaedten which is only about 3 miles southeast of Karben and Gross Karben. I know you are more interested in getting information on the maternal lines. But you indicate that you received some information from researchers on the Heck line. Do any of these names appear in your records? Sue Foster My Oberkalbach Web Site - http://ursula.foster.cc/ My Fechenheim Web Site -http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fechenheim/

Thanks! That's probably a 2-day (?) buggy drive. Not exactly "next door" - but maybe the boundaries were changing rapidly at that time, and who knows if there was a little village that was within the Hessen State line that was part of Darmstadt that was contiguous to Alzey? Or maybe they "sneaked" out of Alzey and said they were from Darmstadt so they wouldn't get caught? I don't quite know what to make of this yet. But with the names and birthdates of Mother and three of the kids exactly right-on, it's kind of hard to ignore this one. So....what's my next step? Any suggestions are MOST appreciated. Kathy Cochran San Andreas, California -----Original Message----- From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Kemle Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 2:50 PM To: hesse@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- all of Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Per Mapquest below it's 41.55 miles and 46 mkinutes http://classic.mapquest.com/maps?1c=Alzey&1s=Rheinland-Pfalz&1y=DE&1l=49.743 439&1g=8.11472&1v=CITY&2c=Darmstadt&2s=Hessen&2y=DE&2l=49.872688&2g=8.65016& 2v=CITY<http://classic.mapquest.com/maps?1c=Alzey&1s=Rheinland-Pfalz&1y=DE&1 l=49.743439&1g=8.11472&1v=CITY&2c=Darmstadt&2s=Hessen&2y=DE&2l=49.872688&2g= 8.65016&2v=CITY> ----- Original Message ----- From: Kathy Cochran<mailto:kathys_old_house@goldrush.com> To: hesse@rootsweb.com<mailto:hesse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt,Eberstadt ---- all of Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am sure you are right, except the ALZEY location perplexes me. How far is that from Darmstadt? -----Original Message----- From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com<mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com> [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of alexis jungk Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 7:51 AM To: hesse@rootsweb.com<mailto:hesse@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- all of Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hi Kathy, I think these are your ancestors: Born, Jacob, Herkunft: Alzey. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1836-03 / Ziel: Amerika, USA. - Alter/geb.: 7 Jahre, Eltern: Born, Adam, Maurer, 41 Jahre und Born, Sophie geb. Lenz, 41 Jahre. - Bemerkungen: mit Eltern und 4 Geschwistern. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter Möller Born, Sophie geb. Lenz, Herkunft: Alzey. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1836-03 / Ziel: Amerika, USA. - Alter/geb.: 41 Jahre. - Ehepartner: Born, Adam, Maurer, 41 Jahre, 4 Kind(er). - Bemerkungen: mit Ehemann und Kindern Susanna 12, Adam 9, Jacob 7, Sophie 4, Philipp 1/2 Jahre. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter Möller also found this one: Born, Jakob, Herkunft: Fränkisch-Crumbach. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1847 / Ziel: Amerika (Nord). - Bemerkungen: mit Kindern. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Ernst Wagner; M.d.I. Konv. 63 source: www(.)hadis(.)hessen(.)de hope it helps. Alexis 2011/1/23 Kathy Cochran <kathys_old_house@goldrush.com<mailto:kathys_old_house@goldrush.com>> > Okay I have a silly question. I found the naturalization document of my > great-great grandfather, Jacob Born, which said he came from > Hesse-Darmstadt > in 1836. Okay, that is a relatively large area. But then in the 1860 > Census in New Orleans, I found his mother Sophia Born (then either widowed > or deserted) living with his brother Adam Born, and both of them said that > they were born in "DARMSTADT." Does that indicate to anyone that that > MIGHT > be the town (city) where they came from - and that I don't have to scrounge > around at every single little town in that state after all? AND, if so, > does anyone know if this info is online or have an address to write to? (I > believe that they were Lutherans while in Darmstadt, but when they came to > New Orleans, they became Presbyterians. Does that make sense?) > > Here's hoping .............. > > > Kathy C > > -----Original Message----- > From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com<mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com> [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of user917826@aol.com<mailto:user917826@aol.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 7:52 PM > To: hesse@rootsweb.com<mailto:hesse@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- all of > Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > Don.. > > We are here! Some of us are just waiting for a conversation to strike up. > > Bev W > > >From the frozen Northeast > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Watson <dwats@cox.net<mailto:dwats@cox.net>> > To: hesse <hesse@rootsweb.com<mailto:hesse@rootsweb.com>> > Sent: Sat, Jan 22, 2011 8:28 pm > Subject: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- all of > Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > ?Wow! The list woke up! > http://members.cox.net/hessen/hsstory.htm<http://members.cox.net/hessen/hsst ory.htm> > http://members.cox.net/hessen/donstrans.htm<http://members.cox.net/hessen/do nstrans.htm> > http://members.cox.net/hessen/telephones.htm<http://members.cox.net/hessen/t elephones.htm> > http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm<http://members.cox.net/hessen/table. htm> > http://members.cox.net/hessen/towns.htm<http://members.cox.net/hessen/towns. htm> > http://members.cox.net/hessen/links.htm<http://members.cox.net/hessen/links. htm> > :-) > on Watson > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:HESSE-request@rootsweb.com> > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > > he message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:HESSE-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:HESSE-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:HESSE-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:HESSE-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Per Mapquest below it's 41.55 miles and 46 mkinutes http://classic.mapquest.com/maps?1c=Alzey&1s=Rheinland-Pfalz&1y=DE&1l=49.743439&1g=8.11472&1v=CITY&2c=Darmstadt&2s=Hessen&2y=DE&2l=49.872688&2g=8.65016&2v=CITY<http://classic.mapquest.com/maps?1c=Alzey&1s=Rheinland-Pfalz&1y=DE&1l=49.743439&1g=8.11472&1v=CITY&2c=Darmstadt&2s=Hessen&2y=DE&2l=49.872688&2g=8.65016&2v=CITY> ----- Original Message ----- From: Kathy Cochran<mailto:kathys_old_house@goldrush.com> To: hesse@rootsweb.com<mailto:hesse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt,Eberstadt ---- all of Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am sure you are right, except the ALZEY location perplexes me. How far is that from Darmstadt? -----Original Message----- From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com<mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com> [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of alexis jungk Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 7:51 AM To: hesse@rootsweb.com<mailto:hesse@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- all of Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hi Kathy, I think these are your ancestors: Born, Jacob, Herkunft: Alzey. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1836-03 / Ziel: Amerika, USA. - Alter/geb.: 7 Jahre, Eltern: Born, Adam, Maurer, 41 Jahre und Born, Sophie geb. Lenz, 41 Jahre. - Bemerkungen: mit Eltern und 4 Geschwistern. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter Möller Born, Sophie geb. Lenz, Herkunft: Alzey. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1836-03 / Ziel: Amerika, USA. - Alter/geb.: 41 Jahre. - Ehepartner: Born, Adam, Maurer, 41 Jahre, 4 Kind(er). - Bemerkungen: mit Ehemann und Kindern Susanna 12, Adam 9, Jacob 7, Sophie 4, Philipp 1/2 Jahre. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter Möller also found this one: Born, Jakob, Herkunft: Fränkisch-Crumbach. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1847 / Ziel: Amerika (Nord). - Bemerkungen: mit Kindern. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Ernst Wagner; M.d.I. Konv. 63 source: www(.)hadis(.)hessen(.)de hope it helps. Alexis 2011/1/23 Kathy Cochran <kathys_old_house@goldrush.com<mailto:kathys_old_house@goldrush.com>> > Okay I have a silly question. I found the naturalization document of my > great-great grandfather, Jacob Born, which said he came from > Hesse-Darmstadt > in 1836. Okay, that is a relatively large area. But then in the 1860 > Census in New Orleans, I found his mother Sophia Born (then either widowed > or deserted) living with his brother Adam Born, and both of them said that > they were born in "DARMSTADT." Does that indicate to anyone that that > MIGHT > be the town (city) where they came from - and that I don't have to scrounge > around at every single little town in that state after all? AND, if so, > does anyone know if this info is online or have an address to write to? (I > believe that they were Lutherans while in Darmstadt, but when they came to > New Orleans, they became Presbyterians. Does that make sense?) > > Here's hoping .............. > > > Kathy C > > -----Original Message----- > From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com<mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com> [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of user917826@aol.com<mailto:user917826@aol.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 7:52 PM > To: hesse@rootsweb.com<mailto:hesse@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- all of > Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > Don.. > > We are here! Some of us are just waiting for a conversation to strike up. > > Bev W > > >From the frozen Northeast > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Watson <dwats@cox.net<mailto:dwats@cox.net>> > To: hesse <hesse@rootsweb.com<mailto:hesse@rootsweb.com>> > Sent: Sat, Jan 22, 2011 8:28 pm > Subject: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- all of > Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > ?Wow! The list woke up! > http://members.cox.net/hessen/hsstory.htm<http://members.cox.net/hessen/hsstory.htm> > http://members.cox.net/hessen/donstrans.htm<http://members.cox.net/hessen/donstrans.htm> > http://members.cox.net/hessen/telephones.htm<http://members.cox.net/hessen/telephones.htm> > http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm<http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm> > http://members.cox.net/hessen/towns.htm<http://members.cox.net/hessen/towns.htm> > http://members.cox.net/hessen/links.htm<http://members.cox.net/hessen/links.htm> > :-) > on Watson > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:HESSE-request@rootsweb.com> > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > > he message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:HESSE-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:HESSE-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:HESSE-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:HESSE-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for your comment, Brian. I understand "current distribution" as opposed to 1836, or whatever. At least the name Giffels is relatively rare, not like the name BORN - which on a search brings up ANYONE who was "born" on ____________ Actually, I even have a ship manifest for this family - on the 19th of August 1842 on the ship Sarah Schaefer the family came in to the Port Of New York. Hubert and Margaret Giffels, at the bottom of the page. It lists "Prussia" - maybe. Looks like another VERY LARGE area to me. And I don't know anything about Prussia. But it looks like we may have landed on the Borns in Alzey, Hessen. Whoopee! Kathy -----Original Message----- From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of brian@amason.net Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 9:26 PM To: hesse@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HESSE] Hessian Dialect Hello Kathy, We meet again. The link provided you is an excellent tool, but be aware this is current distribution. It may give a good idea where to look. But it may not be the origin point for the name. Some names can be narrowed down by dialect. This is a linguistic problem, and although I've studied linguistics I have not studied name origins. It's a tough field. There are some books available that do conquer this subject. So the link may help you locate where your Giffels settled. It does seem to give a fairly tight distribution. Make sure to view both the relative and absolute distributions. They can be quite different and offer clues. Good luck, Brian On Sat, January 22, 2011 1:13 pm, Kathy Cochran wrote: > Hello, Arden, > > Thank you for your kind reply, and your encouragement as well. Sometimes > it > just gets so discouraging - continuing to bang my head up against so many > brick walls. > > One question that keeps bugging me is why these people that emigrated > never > talked very much about the towns or villages from whence they came. > > Also, another question - that someone out there will know. There is > another German name that I want to find out where they were from. My > mother > was a GIFFELS, which apparently came from only a very small part of > Germany. > I believe that there is a way to find out what areas the name pops up in. > Does anyone have that link handy? > > Thanks again for the encouragement.......... > > > > Kathy Cochran > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Kathy, I think these are your ancestors: Born, Jacob, Herkunft: Alzey. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1836-03 / Ziel: Amerika, USA. - Alter/geb.: 7 Jahre, Eltern: Born, Adam, Maurer, 41 Jahre und Born, Sophie geb. Lenz, 41 Jahre. - Bemerkungen: mit Eltern und 4 Geschwistern. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter Möller Born, Sophie geb. Lenz, Herkunft: Alzey. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1836-03 / Ziel: Amerika, USA. - Alter/geb.: 41 Jahre. - Ehepartner: Born, Adam, Maurer, 41 Jahre, 4 Kind(er). - Bemerkungen: mit Ehemann und Kindern Susanna 12, Adam 9, Jacob 7, Sophie 4, Philipp 1/2 Jahre. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter Möller also found this one: Born, Jakob, Herkunft: Fränkisch-Crumbach. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1847 / Ziel: Amerika (Nord). - Bemerkungen: mit Kindern. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Ernst Wagner; M.d.I. Konv. 63 source: www(.)hadis(.)hessen(.)de hope it helps. Alexis 2011/1/23 Kathy Cochran <kathys_old_house@goldrush.com> > Okay I have a silly question. I found the naturalization document of my > great-great grandfather, Jacob Born, which said he came from > Hesse-Darmstadt > in 1836. Okay, that is a relatively large area. But then in the 1860 > Census in New Orleans, I found his mother Sophia Born (then either widowed > or deserted) living with his brother Adam Born, and both of them said that > they were born in "DARMSTADT." Does that indicate to anyone that that > MIGHT > be the town (city) where they came from - and that I don't have to scrounge > around at every single little town in that state after all? AND, if so, > does anyone know if this info is online or have an address to write to? (I > believe that they were Lutherans while in Darmstadt, but when they came to > New Orleans, they became Presbyterians. Does that make sense?) > > Here's hoping .............. > > > Kathy C > > -----Original Message----- > From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of user917826@aol.com > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 7:52 PM > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- all of > Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > Don.. > > We are here! Some of us are just waiting for a conversation to strike up. > > Bev W > > >From the frozen Northeast > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Watson <dwats@cox.net> > To: hesse <hesse@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sat, Jan 22, 2011 8:28 pm > Subject: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- all of > Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > ?Wow! The list woke up! > http://members.cox.net/hessen/hsstory.htm > http://members.cox.net/hessen/donstrans.htm > http://members.cox.net/hessen/telephones.htm > http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm > http://members.cox.net/hessen/towns.htm > http://members.cox.net/hessen/links.htm > :-) > on Watson > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > > he message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello, I am searching for any Engeldrum's from Flonheim and Badenheim. We are pretty sure all ENGELDRUM's are connected. (Engelthrum, Engeldrom, Engeltrum). One branch, Franciscus Engeldrum, moved to Badenheim abt 1785. My GGGgrandfather Peter Franz Engeldrum remained in Flonheim. Looking for any information on the Badenheim branch. Franciscus died in Gau-Bickelheim in 1821. Any information will be appreciated. Judy J. Eggers Msgene@mac.com

I am sure you are right, except the ALZEY location perplexes me. How far is that from Darmstadt? -----Original Message----- From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of alexis jungk Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 7:51 AM To: hesse@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- all of Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hi Kathy, I think these are your ancestors: Born, Jacob, Herkunft: Alzey. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1836-03 / Ziel: Amerika, USA. - Alter/geb.: 7 Jahre, Eltern: Born, Adam, Maurer, 41 Jahre und Born, Sophie geb. Lenz, 41 Jahre. - Bemerkungen: mit Eltern und 4 Geschwistern. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter Möller Born, Sophie geb. Lenz, Herkunft: Alzey. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1836-03 / Ziel: Amerika, USA. - Alter/geb.: 41 Jahre. - Ehepartner: Born, Adam, Maurer, 41 Jahre, 4 Kind(er). - Bemerkungen: mit Ehemann und Kindern Susanna 12, Adam 9, Jacob 7, Sophie 4, Philipp 1/2 Jahre. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter Möller also found this one: Born, Jakob, Herkunft: Fränkisch-Crumbach. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1847 / Ziel: Amerika (Nord). - Bemerkungen: mit Kindern. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Ernst Wagner; M.d.I. Konv. 63 source: www(.)hadis(.)hessen(.)de hope it helps. Alexis 2011/1/23 Kathy Cochran <kathys_old_house@goldrush.com> > Okay I have a silly question. I found the naturalization document of my > great-great grandfather, Jacob Born, which said he came from > Hesse-Darmstadt > in 1836. Okay, that is a relatively large area. But then in the 1860 > Census in New Orleans, I found his mother Sophia Born (then either widowed > or deserted) living with his brother Adam Born, and both of them said that > they were born in "DARMSTADT." Does that indicate to anyone that that > MIGHT > be the town (city) where they came from - and that I don't have to scrounge > around at every single little town in that state after all? AND, if so, > does anyone know if this info is online or have an address to write to? (I > believe that they were Lutherans while in Darmstadt, but when they came to > New Orleans, they became Presbyterians. Does that make sense?) > > Here's hoping .............. > > > Kathy C > > -----Original Message----- > From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of user917826@aol.com > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 7:52 PM > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- all of > Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > Don.. > > We are here! Some of us are just waiting for a conversation to strike up. > > Bev W > > >From the frozen Northeast > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Watson <dwats@cox.net> > To: hesse <hesse@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sat, Jan 22, 2011 8:28 pm > Subject: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- all of > Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > ?Wow! The list woke up! > http://members.cox.net/hessen/hsstory.htm > http://members.cox.net/hessen/donstrans.htm > http://members.cox.net/hessen/telephones.htm > http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm > http://members.cox.net/hessen/towns.htm > http://members.cox.net/hessen/links.htm > :-) > on Watson > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > > he message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It can't hurt to look. My Hessians were listed as Darmstadt and a state outside Hesse, but actually from Assenheim, Hesse-Darmstadt. They were Catholic in Hesse and German-Reformed in the USA. Then Catholic again. If you don't find them under one religion in the Old-Country, try the other(s). There's no simple way to predict what religion they would be under. They might have been Catholic or Reformed in Germany because it was the state religion. They may have changed religions in the US when they married. Brian On Sat, January 22, 2011 11:11 pm, Kathy Cochran wrote: > Okay I have a silly question. I found the naturalization document of my > great-great grandfather, Jacob Born, which said he came from > Hesse-Darmstadt > in 1836. Okay, that is a relatively large area. But then in the 1860 > Census in New Orleans, I found his mother Sophia Born (then either widowed > or deserted) living with his brother Adam Born, and both of them said that > they were born in "DARMSTADT." Does that indicate to anyone that that > MIGHT > be the town (city) where they came from - and that I don't have to > scrounge > around at every single little town in that state after all? AND, if so, > does anyone know if this info is online or have an address to write to? > (I > believe that they were Lutherans while in Darmstadt, but when they came to > New Orleans, they became Presbyterians. Does that make sense?) > > Here's hoping .............. > > > Kathy C >

My dear Alexis, OMG! My heart is pounding! You have to be right! Can you translate this for me? Thank you, Kathy -----Original Message----- From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of alexis jungk Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 7:51 AM To: hesse@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- all of Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hi Kathy, I think these are your ancestors: Born, Jacob, Herkunft: Alzey. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1836-03 / Ziel: Amerika, USA. - Alter/geb.: 7 Jahre, Eltern: Born, Adam, Maurer, 41 Jahre und Born, Sophie geb. Lenz, 41 Jahre. - Bemerkungen: mit Eltern und 4 Geschwistern. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter Möller Born, Sophie geb. Lenz, Herkunft: Alzey. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1836-03 / Ziel: Amerika, USA. - Alter/geb.: 41 Jahre. - Ehepartner: Born, Adam, Maurer, 41 Jahre, 4 Kind(er). - Bemerkungen: mit Ehemann und Kindern Susanna 12, Adam 9, Jacob 7, Sophie 4, Philipp 1/2 Jahre. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter Möller also found this one: Born, Jakob, Herkunft: Fränkisch-Crumbach. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1847 / Ziel: Amerika (Nord). - Bemerkungen: mit Kindern. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Ernst Wagner; M.d.I. Konv. 63 source: www(.)hadis(.)hessen(.)de hope it helps. Alexis 2011/1/23 Kathy Cochran <kathys_old_house@goldrush.com> > Okay I have a silly question. I found the naturalization document of my > great-great grandfather, Jacob Born, which said he came from > Hesse-Darmstadt > in 1836. Okay, that is a relatively large area. But then in the 1860 > Census in New Orleans, I found his mother Sophia Born (then either widowed > or deserted) living with his brother Adam Born, and both of them said that > they were born in "DARMSTADT." Does that indicate to anyone that that > MIGHT > be the town (city) where they came from - and that I don't have to scrounge > around at every single little town in that state after all? AND, if so, > does anyone know if this info is online or have an address to write to? (I > believe that they were Lutherans while in Darmstadt, but when they came to > New Orleans, they became Presbyterians. Does that make sense?) > > Here's hoping .............. > > > Kathy C > > -----Original Message----- > From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of user917826@aol.com > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 7:52 PM > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- all of > Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > Don.. > > We are here! Some of us are just waiting for a conversation to strike up. > > Bev W > > >From the frozen Northeast > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Watson <dwats@cox.net> > To: hesse <hesse@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sat, Jan 22, 2011 8:28 pm > Subject: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- all of > Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > ?Wow! The list woke up! > http://members.cox.net/hessen/hsstory.htm > http://members.cox.net/hessen/donstrans.htm > http://members.cox.net/hessen/telephones.htm > http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm > http://members.cox.net/hessen/towns.htm > http://members.cox.net/hessen/links.htm > :-) > on Watson > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > > he message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My Heck family attended mostly German Reformed Churches in the 1800s both in RI where they first appeared and in Brookyn where my gggrandmother and her first husband George Pfeiff (from Hannover, Hesse Cassel) settled. It is my understanding that there are many similarities between the German Reformed Churches and our Presbyterian Churches. In fact, many of the descendants from my family line became Presbyterian, I need to add, however, that my Maria Heck's younger brother, Johann Georg Heck, stayed in Rhode Island, married Mary A. Donahue and became Roman Catholic. Maria Heck came to the US in 1860 with her widowed father,her brother, and two other sisters, Kathrina (Katy) Heck Dettenborn and Magdalena Heck Braun. All the girls ended up living in Brooklyn. Johann Georg Heck Sr. had migrated from Gros-Karben to Kirschiembolanden, in Bayern and married there. He was a tailor. His ancestors in Gros-Karben had originally been shepherds. Bev W -----Original Message----- From: Susan Curelopp <noshowclc@aol.com> To: hesse <hesse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:24 am Subject: Re: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- all of Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My family has Darmstadt on the census, but they were from Arnshain, esse-Darmstadt. Susan Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2011, at 9:11 PM, "Kathy Cochran" <kathys_old_house@goldrush.com> rote: > Okay I have a silly question. I found the naturalization document of my great-great grandfather, Jacob Born, which said he came from Hesse-Darmstadt in 1836. Okay, that is a relatively large area. But then in the 1860 Census in New Orleans, I found his mother Sophia Born (then either widowed or deserted) living with his brother Adam Born, and both of them said that they were born in "DARMSTADT." Does that indicate to anyone that that MIGHT be the town (city) where they came from - and that I don't have to scrounge around at every single little town in that state after all? AND, if so, does anyone know if this info is online or have an address to write to? (I believe that they were Lutherans while in Darmstadt, but when they came to New Orleans, they became Presbyterians. Does that make sense?) Here's hoping .............. Kathy C -----Original Message----- From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of user917826@aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 7:52 PM To: hesse@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- all of Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don.. We are here! Some of us are just waiting for a conversation to strike up. Bev W > From the frozen Northeast -----Original Message----- From: Don Watson <dwats@cox.net> To: hesse <hesse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Jan 22, 2011 8:28 pm Subject: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- all of Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ?Wow! The list woke up! http://members.cox.net/hessen/hsstory.htm http://members.cox.net/hessen/donstrans.htm http://members.cox.net/hessen/telephones.htm http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm http://members.cox.net/hessen/towns.htm http://members.cox.net/hessen/links.htm :-) on Watson ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Hello Kathy, We meet again. The link provided you is an excellent tool, but be aware this is current distribution. It may give a good idea where to look. But it may not be the origin point for the name. Some names can be narrowed down by dialect. This is a linguistic problem, and although I've studied linguistics I have not studied name origins. It's a tough field. There are some books available that do conquer this subject. So the link may help you locate where your Giffels settled. It does seem to give a fairly tight distribution. Make sure to view both the relative and absolute distributions. They can be quite different and offer clues. Good luck, Brian On Sat, January 22, 2011 1:13 pm, Kathy Cochran wrote: > Hello, Arden, > > Thank you for your kind reply, and your encouragement as well. Sometimes > it > just gets so discouraging - continuing to bang my head up against so many > brick walls. > > One question that keeps bugging me is why these people that emigrated > never > talked very much about the towns or villages from whence they came. > > Also, another question - that someone out there will know. There is > another German name that I want to find out where they were from. My > mother > was a GIFFELS, which apparently came from only a very small part of > Germany. > I believe that there is a way to find out what areas the name pops up in. > Does anyone have that link handy? > > Thanks again for the encouragement.......... > > > > Kathy Cochran >

My family has Darmstadt on the census, but they were from Arnshain, Hesse-Darmstadt. Susan Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2011, at 9:11 PM, "Kathy Cochran" <kathys_old_house@goldrush.com> wrote: > Okay I have a silly question. I found the naturalization document of my > great-great grandfather, Jacob Born, which said he came from Hesse-Darmstadt > in 1836. Okay, that is a relatively large area. But then in the 1860 > Census in New Orleans, I found his mother Sophia Born (then either widowed > or deserted) living with his brother Adam Born, and both of them said that > they were born in "DARMSTADT." Does that indicate to anyone that that MIGHT > be the town (city) where they came from - and that I don't have to scrounge > around at every single little town in that state after all? AND, if so, > does anyone know if this info is online or have an address to write to? (I > believe that they were Lutherans while in Darmstadt, but when they came to > New Orleans, they became Presbyterians. Does that make sense?) > > Here's hoping .............. > > > Kathy C > > -----Original Message----- > From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of user917826@aol.com > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 7:52 PM > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- all of > Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > Don.. > > We are here! Some of us are just waiting for a conversation to strike up. > > Bev W > >> From the frozen Northeast > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Watson <dwats@cox.net> > To: hesse <hesse@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sat, Jan 22, 2011 8:28 pm > Subject: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- all of > Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > ?Wow! The list woke up! > http://members.cox.net/hessen/hsstory.htm > http://members.cox.net/hessen/donstrans.htm > http://members.cox.net/hessen/telephones.htm > http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm > http://members.cox.net/hessen/towns.htm > http://members.cox.net/hessen/links.htm > :-) > on Watson > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > > he message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Don.. We are here! Some of us are just waiting for a conversation to strike up. Bev W >From the frozen Northeast -----Original Message----- From: Don Watson <dwats@cox.net> To: hesse <hesse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Jan 22, 2011 8:28 pm Subject: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- all of Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ?Wow! The list woke up! http://members.cox.net/hessen/hsstory.htm http://members.cox.net/hessen/donstrans.htm http://members.cox.net/hessen/telephones.htm http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm http://members.cox.net/hessen/towns.htm http://members.cox.net/hessen/links.htm :-) on Watson ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Using ShtetlSeeker find Alsfeld. The closest name is Heidelbach about 3.5 miles NNW. Based on the similarity of names I would try the church records for that village. ============= Kirchenbuch, 1687-1875 Evangelische Kirche Heidelbach (Kr. Alsfeld) (Main Author) Parish register baptisms, marriages, deaths and confirmations of Heidelbach (Oberhessen). Includes Schwabenrod, Hessen, Germany. Text in German and Latin. ============= At 07:18 PM 1/22/2011, you wrote: >From: admin@newhamburg.org >Subject: Re: [HESSE] Village >To: hesse@rootsweb.com > >Looking for village originally written as Steidelbach. > >Have only found one obscure mention of one town in the Rhineland-Palatinate. > >This town is supposed to be in the Alsfeld District. > >Since the original gave the reference as Striess Alsfeld, I can't say >how accurate the name Steidelbach is. > >Any suggestions for a replacement? ____________________________________________________________ Globe Life Insurance $1* Buys $50,000 Life Insurance. Adults or Children. No Medical Exam. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4d3b9e2056c9c814b07st05vuc

Okay I have a silly question. I found the naturalization document of my great-great grandfather, Jacob Born, which said he came from Hesse-Darmstadt in 1836. Okay, that is a relatively large area. But then in the 1860 Census in New Orleans, I found his mother Sophia Born (then either widowed or deserted) living with his brother Adam Born, and both of them said that they were born in "DARMSTADT." Does that indicate to anyone that that MIGHT be the town (city) where they came from - and that I don't have to scrounge around at every single little town in that state after all? AND, if so, does anyone know if this info is online or have an address to write to? (I believe that they were Lutherans while in Darmstadt, but when they came to New Orleans, they became Presbyterians. Does that make sense?) Here's hoping .............. Kathy C -----Original Message----- From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of user917826@aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 7:52 PM To: hesse@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- all of Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don.. We are here! Some of us are just waiting for a conversation to strike up. Bev W >From the frozen Northeast -----Original Message----- From: Don Watson <dwats@cox.net> To: hesse <hesse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Jan 22, 2011 8:28 pm Subject: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- all of Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ?Wow! The list woke up! http://members.cox.net/hessen/hsstory.htm http://members.cox.net/hessen/donstrans.htm http://members.cox.net/hessen/telephones.htm http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm http://members.cox.net/hessen/towns.htm http://members.cox.net/hessen/links.htm :-) on Watson ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is in response to Bev W. who was looking for the HECK family. I also have a HECK in my family. I have Hannah H. Heck who was born in 1852 and died 1932. She was married to William Lauer and lived in Pennsylvania. >From her obit, she had 4 brothers, Cornelius Heck of Bluefield, WV, John Heck of Sarver, PA, Conrad Heck of Pittsburgh, PA, and Philomen Heck of Cabot, PA. If this is also from your tree and I can help you more, let me know. ~Lorraine > > > > > > In a message dated 1/22/2011 4:52:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > user917826@aol.com writes: > > > Hi.. > > In the 1880 census, my gggrandmother, Maria Heck stated that her family > came from Frankfurt Au Main. Actually her father was from Gros-Karben. > The > problem I face is that I am forced to find researchers as the early > records > of the church (bef. 1800) are not filmed by the LDS. While I have gained > some knowledge of the Heck paternal line, I have not gotten much on > maternal families. I have used two researchers over the past several > years. I > got a small report from both with the promise of more, then nothing. I > still would like to find information on the maternal families of Bronst > and > Bauer and whatever else might be related to our Heck family. > > Again, I am probably going to have to coax a researcher as I have not > dealt with the church directly. Any ideas how I might get this info on > my own > would be greatly appreciated. Needless to say, my German is TERRIBLE! > > Bev W > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kathy Cochran <kathys_old_house@goldrush.com> > To: hesse <hesse@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sat, Jan 22, 2011 2:55 pm > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Hessian Dialect > > > Thanks for the link! > Kathy > -----Original Message----- > rom: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > ehalf Of Bobbi > ent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 11:29 AM > o: hesse@rootsweb.com > ubject: Re: [HESSE] Hessian Dialect > Hi Kathy, > http://christoph.stoepel.net/geogen/en/Default.aspx > Bobbi > > ---- Original Message ----- > rom: "Kathy Cochran" > o: "'Arden'"; <hesse@rootsweb.com> > ent: 22 January, 2011 2:13 PM > ubject: Re: [HESSE] Hessian Dialect > > Hello, Arden, > > Thank you for your kind reply, and your encouragement as well. Sometimes > it > just gets so discouraging - continuing to bang my head up against so many > brick walls. > > One question that keeps bugging me is why these people that emigrated > never > talked very much about the towns or villages from whence they came. > > Also, another question - that someone out there will know. There is > another German name that I want to find out where they were from. My > mother > was a GIFFELS, which apparently came from only a very small part of > Germany. > I believe that there is a way to find out what areas the name pops up in. > Does anyone have that link handy? > > Thanks again for the encouragement.......... > > > > Kathy Cochran > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > he subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > he message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and > the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi When I needed information on my grandfather's family, I wrote directly to the church and got generations of family information. I don't think it was too expensive either. I doesn't hurt to try. NC In a message dated 1/22/2011 4:52:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, user917826@aol.com writes: Hi.. In the 1880 census, my gggrandmother, Maria Heck stated that her family came from Frankfurt Au Main. Actually her father was from Gros-Karben. The problem I face is that I am forced to find researchers as the early records of the church (bef. 1800) are not filmed by the LDS. While I have gained some knowledge of the Heck paternal line, I have not gotten much on maternal families. I have used two researchers over the past several years. I got a small report from both with the promise of more, then nothing. I still would like to find information on the maternal families of Bronst and Bauer and whatever else might be related to our Heck family. Again, I am probably going to have to coax a researcher as I have not dealt with the church directly. Any ideas how I might get this info on my own would be greatly appreciated. Needless to say, my German is TERRIBLE! Bev W -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Cochran <kathys_old_house@goldrush.com> To: hesse <hesse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Jan 22, 2011 2:55 pm Subject: Re: [HESSE] Hessian Dialect Thanks for the link! Kathy -----Original Message----- rom: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On ehalf Of Bobbi ent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 11:29 AM o: hesse@rootsweb.com ubject: Re: [HESSE] Hessian Dialect Hi Kathy, http://christoph.stoepel.net/geogen/en/Default.aspx Bobbi ---- Original Message ----- rom: "Kathy Cochran" o: "'Arden'"; <hesse@rootsweb.com> ent: 22 January, 2011 2:13 PM ubject: Re: [HESSE] Hessian Dialect Hello, Arden, Thank you for your kind reply, and your encouragement as well. Sometimes it just gets so discouraging - continuing to bang my head up against so many brick walls. One question that keeps bugging me is why these people that emigrated never talked very much about the towns or villages from whence they came. Also, another question - that someone out there will know. There is another German name that I want to find out where they were from. My mother was a GIFFELS, which apparently came from only a very small part of Germany. I believe that there is a way to find out what areas the name pops up in. Does anyone have that link handy? Thanks again for the encouragement.......... Kathy Cochran ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in he subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

?Wow! The list woke up! http://members.cox.net/hessen/hsstory.htm http://members.cox.net/hessen/donstrans.htm http://members.cox.net/hessen/telephones.htm http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm http://members.cox.net/hessen/towns.htm http://members.cox.net/hessen/links.htm :-) Don Watson

Hi.. In the 1880 census, my gggrandmother, Maria Heck stated that her family came from Frankfurt Au Main. Actually her father was from Gros-Karben. The problem I face is that I am forced to find researchers as the early records of the church (bef. 1800) are not filmed by the LDS. While I have gained some knowledge of the Heck paternal line, I have not gotten much on maternal families. I have used two researchers over the past several years. I got a small report from both with the promise of more, then nothing. I still would like to find information on the maternal families of Bronst and Bauer and whatever else might be related to our Heck family. Again, I am probably going to have to coax a researcher as I have not dealt with the church directly. Any ideas how I might get this info on my own would be greatly appreciated. Needless to say, my German is TERRIBLE! Bev W -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Cochran <kathys_old_house@goldrush.com> To: hesse <hesse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Jan 22, 2011 2:55 pm Subject: Re: [HESSE] Hessian Dialect Thanks for the link! Kathy -----Original Message----- rom: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On ehalf Of Bobbi ent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 11:29 AM o: hesse@rootsweb.com ubject: Re: [HESSE] Hessian Dialect Hi Kathy, http://christoph.stoepel.net/geogen/en/Default.aspx Bobbi ---- Original Message ----- rom: "Kathy Cochran" o: "'Arden'"; <hesse@rootsweb.com> ent: 22 January, 2011 2:13 PM ubject: Re: [HESSE] Hessian Dialect Hello, Arden, Thank you for your kind reply, and your encouragement as well. Sometimes it just gets so discouraging - continuing to bang my head up against so many brick walls. One question that keeps bugging me is why these people that emigrated never talked very much about the towns or villages from whence they came. Also, another question - that someone out there will know. There is another German name that I want to find out where they were from. My mother was a GIFFELS, which apparently came from only a very small part of Germany. I believe that there is a way to find out what areas the name pops up in. Does anyone have that link handy? Thanks again for the encouragement.......... Kathy Cochran ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in he subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message