aJ. Bartholomew Bietsch b. 1803 in Darmstadt, Hessen Germany, married 9 August 1825 in schlierbach Benshelvia Starkenburg Hessen Germany, to Anna Barbara Pfeiffer b. 7 August 1807 in, Erlanbach, Groshertzuchdon, Hesse-Darmstadt, Germany. They had 2 children that died before they left for the USA. Would like info on Parents of Bartholomew and where I could find a marriage record , also find info on the 2 children that died, sometime between 1826 and 1829. Seeking information for parents of Philip Klein, b Teschenmochel, Germany, August 18, 1816. Married in USA to Anna Mary Mirerly [Myerly] b. 11 Sept 1823, Middlesbach Ober Oonpt schandorf, in Wurtenberg, Germany. Need names of her parents. ANY help on any of these would be greatly appreciated. Have info from these people to date, would be happy to exchange. Coleen Beech Thomas

Danke Ernst-Peter, I had forgotten this property of the gov databank. Alexis 2011/1/25 Ernst-Peter Winter <e.p.winter@t-online.de> > Hi Alexis, > > > for Vadenrod see: > > > http://gov.genealogy.net/SearchNameSimple.do;jsessionid=1jfezmozu4qu511f62cqdyswke > > just try this: > <http://gov.genealogy.net/ShowObject.do?id=VADROD_W6321> > > Ernst-Peter > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Alexis, > for Vadenrod see: > http://gov.genealogy.net/SearchNameSimple.do;jsessionid=1jfezmozu4qu511f62cqdyswke just try this: <http://gov.genealogy.net/ShowObject.do?id=VADROD_W6321> Ernst-Peter

Hello Kathy, 36318 Vadenrod is a village in Schwalmtal Vogelsbergkreis in Northern Hesse-Darmstadt, Germany. In 2001, Vadenrod celebrated their 750 year anniversary, and Heinrich Wahl wrote a book about the history of Vadenrod (current population about c. 350 people). If you are interested in the names of families who lived there write to the author at: Heinrich Wahl In den Erlen 2 36318 Schwalmtal Vadenrod Germany See details and map: <http://www.cylex-telefonbuch.de/profil/wahl-heinrich-1964368.html> clicking "zoom out" on the map will give you the approx. position of Vadenrod within Hesse-Darmstadt, between Lauterbach & Homberg. The LDS have filmed the Evangelische Kirche Vadenrod (Kr. Alsfeld) Kirchenbuchduplikat,1831-1875 film no.869950. You can order this film at your nearest Mormon Library. Photo of the Vadenrod church and gravestones at <http://www.alsfeld-evangelisch.de/dekanat/Hauptordner/gemeinden/Hopfgarten/kgm/> You did not indicate which cemetery the gravestone for Heinrich Weller is located, is it in America, Germany or elesewhere? Elizabeth On 25/01/2011 11:16 AM, ROXI188441@aol.com wrote: > Hi. > Am looking for a place called "Vadenrod" in or near Hessen-Darmstadt, > Germany - is as written in old German on a gravestone for Heinrich Weller > > > Roxie Wheeler > > > In a message dated 1/23/2011 11:57:41 P.M. Central Standard Time, > fhheld@netzero.net writes: > > Kathy, > > One way to check is to rent the church records for Alzey at your > local LDS Family History Center. Knowing the family religion also > helps reduce your search. BTW, the records cleary state Alzey was > Hessen. Read the history of Alzey here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alzey > =============== > Kirchenbuch, 1670-1907 > Evangelische Kirche Alzey (Kr. Alzey) (Main Author) > Parish registers of baptisms, marriages, deaths and confirmations for > Reformed and Lutheran Protestants in Alzey, Hessen, Germany. Includes > Dautenheim, Bermersheim, Kirchfeld, Weinheim, Albig, Kettenheim, > Schafhausen, Heppenheim and others, Hessen. > > Kirchenbuch, 1692-1908 > Katholische Kirche Alzey (Main Author) > Parish register of baptisms, marriages and deaths. > =============== > > I should note that Alzey was a kreis (an administrative center = > "county seat"). Your family may actually be from any of over 100 > villages within about 10 miles.

Hi Roxie, Hessen (german form of Hesse) used to be formed by several "states", mainly Hessen Darmstadt and Hessen Kassel, the latter also known as Kurhessen. for Vadenrod see: http://gov.genealogy.net/SearchNameSimple.do;jsessionid=1jfezmozu4qu511f62cqdyswke . Alexis 2011/1/24 <ROXI188441@aol.com> > Hi. > Am looking for a place called "Vadenrod" in or near Hessen-Darmstadt, > Germany - is as written in old German on a gravestone for Heinrich Weller > > > Roxie Wheeler > > > In a message dated 1/23/2011 11:57:41 P.M. Central Standard Time, > fhheld@netzero.net writes: > > Kathy, > > One way to check is to rent the church records for Alzey at your > local LDS Family History Center. Knowing the family religion also > helps reduce your search. BTW, the records cleary state Alzey was > Hessen. Read the history of Alzey here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alzey > =============== > Kirchenbuch, 1670-1907 > Evangelische Kirche Alzey (Kr. Alzey) (Main Author) > Parish registers of baptisms, marriages, deaths and confirmations for > Reformed and Lutheran Protestants in Alzey, Hessen, Germany. Includes > Dautenheim, Bermersheim, Kirchfeld, Weinheim, Albig, Kettenheim, > Schafhausen, Heppenheim and others, Hessen. > > Kirchenbuch, 1692-1908 > Katholische Kirche Alzey (Main Author) > Parish register of baptisms, marriages and deaths. > =============== > > I should note that Alzey was a kreis (an administrative center = > "county seat"). Your family may actually be from any of over 100 > villages within about 10 miles. > > > At 09:01 PM 1/23/2011, you wrote: > >From: "Kathy Cochran" <kathys_old_house@goldrush.com> > >Subject: Re: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- > all > > of Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > >This is absolutely INCREDIBLE! Thank you from the bottom of my heart! > > > >Kathy > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > >Behalf Of alexis jungk > >Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 6:30 PM > >To: hesse@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- all of > >Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > >Hi again, > >translated findings: > > > > Born, Jacob, origin: Alzey.- Emigration date: 1836-03/ Destination: > >America, USA.- Age/birth: 7 years. parents:Born, Adam, mason, 41 years > old, > >and Born, Sophie nee Lenz, 41 years old.Comments: with parents and 4 > >siblings. Source: card file Walter M?ller. > ... > > ____________________________________________________________ > Go Back to School > Grant Funding May Be Available to Those Who Qualify > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4d3d14442872aca190dst06duc > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and > the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Roxie, As Elizabeth says "The LDS have filmed the Evangelische Kirche Vadenrod (Kr. Alsfeld) Kirchenbuchduplikat,1831-1875 film no.869950. You can order this film at your nearest Mormon Library." The nearest LDS Family History Center (i.e., "Mormon Library") can be found at the FamilySearch web site. You have to do the work. At 02:00 AM 1/25/2011, you wrote: >From: ROXI188441@aol.com >Subject: Re: [HESSE] Vadenrod >To: hesse@rootsweb.com > >Henry, > Hello. This is wonderful. My Heinrich Weller was born 11 October, 1818. >He married to Minna Haas. Both were from Germany. His gravestone has his >picture on it and the words are written in old German Dutch (Sutterlin) >Anything you might find about him would be wonderful. > > >Roxie Wheeler ____________________________________________________________ Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4d3ed943b7dcad62c0fst03vuc

Henry, Hello. This is wonderful. My Heinrich Weller was born 11 October, 1818. He married to Minna Haas. Both were from Germany. His gravestone has his picture on it and the words are written in old German Dutch (Sutterlin) Anything you might find about him would be wonderful. Roxie Wheeler In a message dated 1/24/2011 8:17:48 P.M. Central Standard Time, henry.benoit@kos.net writes: Vadenrod is about 10km south of Alsfeld and about 8 km northwest of Lauterbach. My DECHERT ancestor arrived in NY in June 1849 giving Vadenrod as his origin. I have "750 Years of Vadenrod" by Heinrich Wahl. It is not indexed but given a year of birth or departure, for example, I can quickly scan it for Heinrich WELLER. Henry Benoit ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone on this list have connections with my Kilian and Hang families from the Hesse Darmstadt region? My ggrandfather was Joannes Kilian born 1816 in Welgesheim but the family went to catholic church in Gensingen. He married in 1845 Anna Maria Hang from Gau-Algesheim.Joannes took out his first papers in PA in 1848 but I have not been able to find when he and Anna Immigrated to the USA. Can anyone help me with these families? Through parish records I have found that the fathers of the couple were Joes Adamus Kilian and Quirinus Hang. Dorothy from PA

Vadenrod is about 10km south of Alsfeld and about 8 km northwest of Lauterbach. My DECHERT ancestor arrived in NY in June 1849 giving Vadenrod as his origin. I have "750 Years of Vadenrod" by Heinrich Wahl. It is not indexed but given a year of birth or departure, for example, I can quickly scan it for Heinrich WELLER. Henry Benoit

Hello Hesse Seekers, This is my annual (plea) email to solicit help finding more info about my Günther ancestors from Cassel/Kassel. According to data received from Evangelische Kircke von Kurhessen-Waldeck Landeskirchliches Archiv in Kassel, my ggggrandfather, Friedrich Günther, schlosser (locksmith,mechanic), married Catharine Liese on 1 July 1819 per Kirchenbuch Freihalter Gemeinde, Kassel. Their son, Johann Friedrich (my gggrandfather) was born 25 July 1828, baptised 31 July 1828.Birth records for any of his siblings was furnished. The data received also listed 3 other marriages: Ludwig Günther, backermeister (master baker) married Martha Strübing on 12 Dec 1819 (Kirchenbuch Altstädter Gemeinde, Kassel). They had a son, Heinrich August, on 8 August 1828. Friedrich Günther, handelsmann (merchant) married Marie Sonder on 12 Dec 1819 (Kirchenbuch Unterneustadt, Kassel. Heinrich Günther, feldweibel (sargeant) married Johanette Elisabeth Nolte on 26 Oct 1820 (Kirchenbuch Luthergemeinde, Kassel. Other birth records are: Wilhelm August Eduard Günther, son of Ernst Friedrich Günther, schneider (tailor) on 21 March 1828 (Kirchenbuch Luthergemeinde Kassel). Johann Heinrich Herman, son of Freidrich Günther, musikar (muscian) on 29 Aug 1828 ( Kirchenbuch Unterneustadt, Kassel). I suspect/hope that some of these fathers and/or their sons are related. Any other info about my Günther Family from Kassel will be greatly appreciated ! Ray Gunther, family historian

Hi. Am looking for a place called "Vadenrod" in or near Hessen-Darmstadt, Germany - is as written in old German on a gravestone for Heinrich Weller Roxie Wheeler In a message dated 1/23/2011 11:57:41 P.M. Central Standard Time, fhheld@netzero.net writes: Kathy, One way to check is to rent the church records for Alzey at your local LDS Family History Center. Knowing the family religion also helps reduce your search. BTW, the records cleary state Alzey was Hessen. Read the history of Alzey here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alzey =============== Kirchenbuch, 1670-1907 Evangelische Kirche Alzey (Kr. Alzey) (Main Author) Parish registers of baptisms, marriages, deaths and confirmations for Reformed and Lutheran Protestants in Alzey, Hessen, Germany. Includes Dautenheim, Bermersheim, Kirchfeld, Weinheim, Albig, Kettenheim, Schafhausen, Heppenheim and others, Hessen. Kirchenbuch, 1692-1908 Katholische Kirche Alzey (Main Author) Parish register of baptisms, marriages and deaths. =============== I should note that Alzey was a kreis (an administrative center = "county seat"). Your family may actually be from any of over 100 villages within about 10 miles. At 09:01 PM 1/23/2011, you wrote: >From: "Kathy Cochran" <kathys_old_house@goldrush.com> >Subject: Re: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- all > of Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >This is absolutely INCREDIBLE! Thank you from the bottom of my heart! > >Kathy > >-----Original Message----- >From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On >Behalf Of alexis jungk >Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 6:30 PM >To: hesse@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- all of >Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >Hi again, >translated findings: > > Born, Jacob, origin: Alzey.- Emigration date: 1836-03/ Destination: >America, USA.- Age/birth: 7 years. parents:Born, Adam, mason, 41 years old, >and Born, Sophie nee Lenz, 41 years old.Comments: with parents and 4 >siblings. Source: card file Walter M?ller. ... ____________________________________________________________ Go Back to School Grant Funding May Be Available to Those Who Qualify http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4d3d14442872aca190dst06duc ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello lists , As I now have time I will attempt again to find my Potter grandmother , starting with this question : Does anyone have a Potter family in the 1800 in Hesse or about that place ? , I am looking for a Caroline / Catherine , bn about 1800 , possible married Adam Stephen in Hesse , living in Blair Co / Cambria Co. Pennsylvania 1849 , please an thanks , Phil

Kathy, One way to check is to rent the church records for Alzey at your local LDS Family History Center. Knowing the family religion also helps reduce your search. BTW, the records cleary state Alzey was Hessen. Read the history of Alzey here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alzey =============== Kirchenbuch, 1670-1907 Evangelische Kirche Alzey (Kr. Alzey) (Main Author) Parish registers of baptisms, marriages, deaths and confirmations for Reformed and Lutheran Protestants in Alzey, Hessen, Germany. Includes Dautenheim, Bermersheim, Kirchfeld, Weinheim, Albig, Kettenheim, Schafhausen, Heppenheim and others, Hessen. Kirchenbuch, 1692-1908 Katholische Kirche Alzey (Main Author) Parish register of baptisms, marriages and deaths. =============== I should note that Alzey was a kreis (an administrative center = "county seat"). Your family may actually be from any of over 100 villages within about 10 miles. At 09:01 PM 1/23/2011, you wrote: >From: "Kathy Cochran" <kathys_old_house@goldrush.com> >Subject: Re: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- all > of Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >This is absolutely INCREDIBLE! Thank you from the bottom of my heart! > >Kathy > >-----Original Message----- >From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On >Behalf Of alexis jungk >Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 6:30 PM >To: hesse@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- all of >Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >Hi again, >translated findings: > > Born, Jacob, origin: Alzey.- Emigration date: 1836-03/ Destination: >America, USA.- Age/birth: 7 years. parents:Born, Adam, mason, 41 years old, >and Born, Sophie nee Lenz, 41 years old.Comments: with parents and 4 >siblings. Source: card file Walter M?ller. ... ____________________________________________________________ Go Back to School Grant Funding May Be Available to Those Who Qualify http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4d3d14442872aca190dst06duc

Hi again, translated findings: Born, Jacob, origin: Alzey.- Emigration date: 1836-03/ Destination: America, USA.- Age/birth: 7 years. parents:Born, Adam, mason, 41 years old, and Born, Sophie nee Lenz, 41 years old.Comments: with parents and 4 siblings. Source: card file Walter Möller. Born, Sophie nee Lenz, origin: Alzey.- Emigration date: 1836-03/ Destination: America, USA.- Age/birth: 41 years. Husband:Born, Adam, mason, 41 years old, 4 children.Comments: with husband and children Susanna 12, Adam 9, Jacob 7, Sophie 4, Philipp 1/2 year. Source: card file Walter Möller. Born, Jakob, origin: Fränkisch-Crumbach.- Emigration date: 1847/Destination: America, USA.- Comments: with children. Source. card file Ernst Wagner; M.d.I. Konv.63 Alexis 2011/1/23 Kathy Cochran <kathys_old_house@goldrush.com> > My dear Alexis, > > OMG! My heart is pounding! You have to be right! Can you translate this > for me? > > Thank you, Kathy > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of alexis jungk > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 7:51 AM > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- all of > Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Hi Kathy, > > I think these are your ancestors: > Born, Jacob, Herkunft: Alzey. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1836-03 / Ziel: > Amerika, > USA. - Alter/geb.: 7 Jahre, Eltern: Born, Adam, Maurer, 41 Jahre und Born, > Sophie geb. Lenz, 41 Jahre. - Bemerkungen: mit Eltern und 4 Geschwistern. > Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter Möller > > Born, Sophie geb. Lenz, Herkunft: Alzey. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1836-03 / > Ziel: Amerika, USA. - Alter/geb.: 41 Jahre. - Ehepartner: Born, Adam, > Maurer, 41 Jahre, 4 Kind(er). - Bemerkungen: mit Ehemann und Kindern > Susanna > 12, Adam 9, Jacob 7, Sophie 4, Philipp 1/2 Jahre. Quelle: Auswandererkartei > Walter Möller > > also found this one: > Born, Jakob, Herkunft: Fränkisch-Crumbach. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1847 / > Ziel: Amerika (Nord). - Bemerkungen: mit Kindern. Quelle: Auswandererkartei > Ernst Wagner; M.d.I. Konv. 63 > > source: www(.)hadis(.)hessen(.)de > > hope it helps. > > Alexis > > 2011/1/23 Kathy Cochran <kathys_old_house@goldrush.com> > > > Okay I have a silly question. I found the naturalization document of my > > great-great grandfather, Jacob Born, which said he came from > > Hesse-Darmstadt > > in 1836. Okay, that is a relatively large area. But then in the 1860 > > Census in New Orleans, I found his mother Sophia Born (then either > widowed > > or deserted) living with his brother Adam Born, and both of them said > that > > they were born in "DARMSTADT." Does that indicate to anyone that that > > MIGHT > > be the town (city) where they came from - and that I don't have to > scrounge > > around at every single little town in that state after all? AND, if so, > > does anyone know if this info is online or have an address to write to? > (I > > believe that they were Lutherans while in Darmstadt, but when they came > to > > New Orleans, they became Presbyterians. Does that make sense?) > > > > Here's hoping .............. > > > > > > Kathy C > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > > Behalf Of user917826@aol.com > > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 7:52 PM > > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- all of > > Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > Don.. > > > > We are here! Some of us are just waiting for a conversation to strike up. > > > > Bev W > > > > >From the frozen Northeast > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Don Watson <dwats@cox.net> > > To: hesse <hesse@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sat, Jan 22, 2011 8:28 pm > > Subject: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- all of > > Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > ?Wow! The list woke up! > > http://members.cox.net/hessen/hsstory.htm > > http://members.cox.net/hessen/donstrans.htm > > http://members.cox.net/hessen/telephones.htm > > http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm > > http://members.cox.net/hessen/towns.htm > > http://members.cox.net/hessen/links.htm > > :-) > > on Watson > > > > ------------------------------ > > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com > > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > > of > > > > he message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Kathy, If you want to do a Google search and have a first name you can do it as follows: "Maria Born" -"born in" -"was OR were born" -"born at" -"anyone born" -"new born" ~genealog* Yes, you will have to wade through many that are not relevant but should turn up others that could be. The name Maria was used as an example. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Cochran" To: <hesse@rootsweb.com>; Sent: 23 January, 2011 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Hessian Dialect > Thanks for your comment, Brian. I understand "current distribution" as > opposed to 1836, or whatever. At least the name Giffels is relatively > rare, > not like the name BORN - which on a search brings up ANYONE who was "born" > on ____________ > Actually, I even have a ship manifest for this family - on the 19th of > August 1842 on the ship Sarah Schaefer the family came in to the Port Of > New > York. Hubert and Margaret Giffels, at the bottom of the page. It lists > "Prussia" - maybe. Looks like another VERY LARGE area to me. And I don't > know anything about Prussia. > > But it looks like we may have landed on the Borns in Alzey, Hessen. > Whoopee! > > Kathy

Alzey is in the Palatinate. It was also part of Rheinhessen for a time. I've seen reference to it being part of Hesse at some point, but I'm not sure that information is correct. It was originally part of Lotharingen. I'm sorry, but my German Empire history and geography aren't up to snuff. I do know the Palatinate has a long, tragic and tangled history. Much like most of the rest of the remnants of the Holy Roman Empire. If they came from Palatine, they might not wanted to broadcast that and chosen to say they came from neighboring Hesse-Darmstadt. But, my history could be way off too. I struggle just understanding my little piece of of Hessian history in the Wetterau. Brian On Sun, January 23, 2011 1:37 pm, Kathy Cochran wrote: > I am sure you are right, except the ALZEY location perplexes me. How far > is > that from Darmstadt? >

I saw from the map that it was pretty "contiguous" - but I figure that the politics had to have a part in their declarations, as well. Thank you for your comments. Kathy -----Original Message----- From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of brian@amason.net Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 6:38 PM To: hesse@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- all of Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Alzey is in the Palatinate. It was also part of Rheinhessen for a time. I've seen reference to it being part of Hesse at some point, but I'm not sure that information is correct. It was originally part of Lotharingen. I'm sorry, but my German Empire history and geography aren't up to snuff. I do know the Palatinate has a long, tragic and tangled history. Much like most of the rest of the remnants of the Holy Roman Empire. If they came from Palatine, they might not wanted to broadcast that and chosen to say they came from neighboring Hesse-Darmstadt. But, my history could be way off too. I struggle just understanding my little piece of of Hessian history in the Wetterau. Brian On Sun, January 23, 2011 1:37 pm, Kathy Cochran wrote: > I am sure you are right, except the ALZEY location perplexes me. How far > is > that from Darmstadt? > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is absolutely INCREDIBLE! Thank you from the bottom of my heart! Kathy -----Original Message----- From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of alexis jungk Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 6:30 PM To: hesse@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- all of Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hi again, translated findings: Born, Jacob, origin: Alzey.- Emigration date: 1836-03/ Destination: America, USA.- Age/birth: 7 years. parents:Born, Adam, mason, 41 years old, and Born, Sophie nee Lenz, 41 years old.Comments: with parents and 4 siblings. Source: card file Walter Möller. Born, Sophie nee Lenz, origin: Alzey.- Emigration date: 1836-03/ Destination: America, USA.- Age/birth: 41 years. Husband:Born, Adam, mason, 41 years old, 4 children.Comments: with husband and children Susanna 12, Adam 9, Jacob 7, Sophie 4, Philipp 1/2 year. Source: card file Walter Möller. Born, Jakob, origin: Fränkisch-Crumbach.- Emigration date: 1847/Destination: America, USA.- Comments: with children. Source. card file Ernst Wagner; M.d.I. Konv.63 Alexis 2011/1/23 Kathy Cochran <kathys_old_house@goldrush.com> > My dear Alexis, > > OMG! My heart is pounding! You have to be right! Can you translate this > for me? > > Thank you, Kathy > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of alexis jungk > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 7:51 AM > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- all of > Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Hi Kathy, > > I think these are your ancestors: > Born, Jacob, Herkunft: Alzey. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1836-03 / Ziel: > Amerika, > USA. - Alter/geb.: 7 Jahre, Eltern: Born, Adam, Maurer, 41 Jahre und Born, > Sophie geb. Lenz, 41 Jahre. - Bemerkungen: mit Eltern und 4 Geschwistern. > Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter Möller > > Born, Sophie geb. Lenz, Herkunft: Alzey. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1836-03 / > Ziel: Amerika, USA. - Alter/geb.: 41 Jahre. - Ehepartner: Born, Adam, > Maurer, 41 Jahre, 4 Kind(er). - Bemerkungen: mit Ehemann und Kindern > Susanna > 12, Adam 9, Jacob 7, Sophie 4, Philipp 1/2 Jahre. Quelle: Auswandererkartei > Walter Möller > > also found this one: > Born, Jakob, Herkunft: Fränkisch-Crumbach. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1847 / > Ziel: Amerika (Nord). - Bemerkungen: mit Kindern. Quelle: Auswandererkartei > Ernst Wagner; M.d.I. Konv. 63 > > source: www(.)hadis(.)hessen(.)de > > hope it helps. > > Alexis > > 2011/1/23 Kathy Cochran <kathys_old_house@goldrush.com> > > > Okay I have a silly question. I found the naturalization document of my > > great-great grandfather, Jacob Born, which said he came from > > Hesse-Darmstadt > > in 1836. Okay, that is a relatively large area. But then in the 1860 > > Census in New Orleans, I found his mother Sophia Born (then either > widowed > > or deserted) living with his brother Adam Born, and both of them said > that > > they were born in "DARMSTADT." Does that indicate to anyone that that > > MIGHT > > be the town (city) where they came from - and that I don't have to > scrounge > > around at every single little town in that state after all? AND, if so, > > does anyone know if this info is online or have an address to write to? > (I > > believe that they were Lutherans while in Darmstadt, but when they came > to > > New Orleans, they became Presbyterians. Does that make sense?) > > > > Here's hoping .............. > > > > > > Kathy C > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > > Behalf Of user917826@aol.com > > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 7:52 PM > > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- all of > > Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > Don.. > > > > We are here! Some of us are just waiting for a conversation to strike up. > > > > Bev W > > > > >From the frozen Northeast > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Don Watson <dwats@cox.net> > > To: hesse <hesse@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sat, Jan 22, 2011 8:28 pm > > Subject: [HESSE] Darmstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt, Eberstadt ---- all of > > Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > ?Wow! The list woke up! > > http://members.cox.net/hessen/hsstory.htm > > http://members.cox.net/hessen/donstrans.htm > > http://members.cox.net/hessen/telephones.htm > > http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm > > http://members.cox.net/hessen/towns.htm > > http://members.cox.net/hessen/links.htm > > :-) > > on Watson > > > > ------------------------------ > > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com > > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > > of > > > > he message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Zwingli is associated with the Reformation in Switzerland more than in Germany. At any rate, "Reformed" refers to churches in the Calvinist tradition. The German Reformed Church in the US eventually merged, through several stages, with the German Evangelical Synod into the Evangelical and Reformed Church. That, in turn, merged with the Congregationalist Church and is today the United Church of Christ. Many of the UCC's present congregations have a German background. American Presbyterians are theologically similar, but have their ethnic roots in Scotland and among the Scots-Irish. On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Elizabeth Cunningham <drybones@netreach.net > wrote: > The Reformed Churches were started by Zwingli, in opposition to Luther > (although I am not too sure what they disagreed about - although they > govern themselves differently from the Lutherans) and were national > churches. The Reformed Church in Scotland was called Presbyterian. > When the Hungarian Reformed Church came to America, they were > amalgamated into the German Reformed Church, although they got given a > Synod of their own - the Magyar Synod. > > Elizabeth C > > user917826@aol.com wrote: > > My Heck family attended mostly German Reformed Churches in the 1800s both > in RI where they first appeared and in Brookyn where my gggrandmother and > her first husband George Pfeiff (from Hannover, Hesse Cassel) settled. It > is my understanding that there are many similarities between the German > Reformed Churches and our Presbyterian Churches. In fact, many of the > descendants from my family line became Presbyterian, > > > > I need to add, however, that my Maria Heck's younger brother, Johann > Georg Heck, stayed in Rhode Island, married Mary A. Donahue and became Roman > Catholic. > > > > Maria Heck came to the US in 1860 with her widowed father,her brother, > and two other sisters, Kathrina (Katy) Heck Dettenborn and Magdalena Heck > Braun. All the girls ended up living in Brooklyn. > > > > Johann Georg Heck Sr. had migrated from Gros-Karben to Kirschiembolanden, > in Bayern and married there. He was a tailor. His ancestors in Gros-Karben > had originally been shepherds. > > > > Bev W > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Joseph M. Smith 10612 Glenwild Rd. Silver Spring, MD 20901

The Reformed Churches were started by Zwingli, in opposition to Luther (although I am not too sure what they disagreed about - although they govern themselves differently from the Lutherans) and were national churches. The Reformed Church in Scotland was called Presbyterian. When the Hungarian Reformed Church came to America, they were amalgamated into the German Reformed Church, although they got given a Synod of their own - the Magyar Synod. Elizabeth C user917826@aol.com wrote: > My Heck family attended mostly German Reformed Churches in the 1800s both in RI where they first appeared and in Brookyn where my gggrandmother and her first husband George Pfeiff (from Hannover, Hesse Cassel) settled. It is my understanding that there are many similarities between the German Reformed Churches and our Presbyterian Churches. In fact, many of the descendants from my family line became Presbyterian, > > I need to add, however, that my Maria Heck's younger brother, Johann Georg Heck, stayed in Rhode Island, married Mary A. Donahue and became Roman Catholic. > > Maria Heck came to the US in 1860 with her widowed father,her brother, and two other sisters, Kathrina (Katy) Heck Dettenborn and Magdalena Heck Braun. All the girls ended up living in Brooklyn. > > Johann Georg Heck Sr. had migrated from Gros-Karben to Kirschiembolanden, in Bayern and married there. He was a tailor. His ancestors in Gros-Karben had originally been shepherds. > > Bev W > > > >