I need to find the parents of Georg Ludwig FALTER that married Maria Gertraud Schantz before 1812. Their son was Georg Heinrich Falter b 1812 in Hembach. I have the marriage record of Georg Heinrich so know the mother's name is correct but which Georg Heinrich Falter as there are at least three in this area. If anyone is searching Falters in Hembach this is a brick wall for me and need to try and find the correct one. I was misled by maybe the incorrect person and don't know what I need to look for now. Is it possibly the marriage record of these parents but don't know of the siblings to know where to start in years, I know it would be before 1812? Any help would be appreciated, Jan in US -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 6141 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Hi, I am researching for Eva Catharina Bock, born 25 Nov 1829, Wald-Michelbach, Starkenburg, Hessen – daughter of Johann Adam Bock & Anna Catharina Kraemer. Eva Catharine Bock emigrated to USA arriving New York City on 16 May 1853 with husband (Johann) George Kraft. Any help would be appreciative as to the date of their marriage and where it took place. Also any family records, i.e parents of Johann Adam Bock & Anna Catharine Kraemer would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks. Joan Perkins, New York, USA

The "Laufzeit" is the time frame which is covered by an archive record. Your assumption that G.Ph. Schuchmann might have died in 1817 makes sense. 1827 sould be the date when the probate case was finally settled. Until you have retrieved the record from Staatsarchiv Darmstadt, you only can guess what happened betwenn 1817 and 1827. My guess would be that the estate was finally divided among the heirs in 1827 because at this time either his widow died, or underage children had been grown out of custodianship. Regards Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "D.L. MacLaughlan-Dumes" <dmac@physics.ucla.edu> To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 4:57 PM Subject: [HESSE] Question about HADIS re: Georg Philipp Schuchmann > > The German database http://www.hadis.hessen.de has an entry for someone > I'm researching, a Georg Philipp Schuchmann. I'm trying to find out the > year of his death and his age so I can track his birth/baptism date and > parents' names. The area I'm researching is Darmstadt. So far microfilm > records don't include a death record for him. > > The entry reads: > > Titel > SCHUCHMANN, Georg Philipp, Posamentier: Nachlass, Inventar > Laufzeit > 1817, 1827 > > Since this is an estate or probate record of some sort, I assume that his > death occurred in 1817. What might the second year (1827) indicate? > > I realize that HADIS is just an index. Is there a place I can inquire > further about this record, a local archive in Darmstadt perhaps, or is the > best avenue to hire a researcher in the region to look it up? > > Thanks for any suggestions. > > Regards, > Debra MacLaughlan-Dumes > http://sakionline.net/familypage > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

The Darmstadt State Archives keeps duplicates of Parochial Registers (Kirchenbücher; church registers), for the provinces of Starkenburg and Oberhessen, which cover the period from 1808-1875. Zentralarchiv der EKHN Darmstadt Central Protestant Archive for Hessen and Nassau Ahastrasse 5a Street Address 64285 Darmstadt Zip + City Tel. +49 6151 / 3663-63 E-Mail: zentralarchiv@ekhn-kv.de Website: www.ekhn.de/inhalt/kirche/profil/aufbau/ges_archiv.htm for protestants. For Catholics, you should ask the Bischöliches Ordinariat Bishop Diocese Dom- und Diözesanarchiv Street Address Postfach 1560 PO Box 55005 Mainz Zip + City Tel: +49 6131 253-157 and +49 6131 253-432 Fax: +49 6131 253-406 E-Mail: archiv@bistum-mainz.de General information on the family reseach in the State Archives Darmstadt you can see from "Guidelines For Family Research" at http://www.staatsarchiv-darmstadt.hessen.de/irj/HStAD_Internet?cid=a4f68a82f673c7f55a54a27c82b6cef3 Hessische Familiengeschichtliche Vereinigung Family History Federation Karolinenplatz 3 Street Address 64289 Darmstadt Zip + City Tel.: +49 6151 165960 E- Mail: hfv@haus-der-geschichte.com Website: http://www.genealogy.net/vereine/HFV Hessisches Staatsarchiv Darmstadt Hessen State Archives Karolinenplatz 3 Street Address 64289 Darmstadt Zip + City Tel: +49 6151-165962 Fax: +49 6151-165901 E-mail: m.coccejus@stad.hessen.de Zustündige Aufsichtsbehörde Supervisory Authority Hessisches Ministerium für Wissenschaft und Kunst Hessen Ministry for Science & the Arts Rheinstr. 23 - 25 Street Address 65185 Wiesbaden Zip + City Website: http://www.stad.hessen.de In the early days of internet genealogy countless Americans inquired about their family history in English and without return postage. Tons of inquiries went unanswered after the anslaught of researchers taking advantage of this new resource. Countless numbers overlooked their local Family History Library, which already had access to a ton of archives in Germany via films made by the Mormons. The incredible number of inquiries has slowed tremendously since those early days. The Germans have centralized many of the church archives (collected from perhaps 10 towns) and in some cases they have stored indexes and even copies of the old documents on computer. PLEASE read my website for insights and pointers! http://members.cox.net/hessen/hsstory.htm and http://familysearch.org and don't overlook http://members.cox.net/hessen/payforit.htm ? :-) Don Watson ?

For more Schuchmann from that area (Groß-Bieberau near Darmstadt) look at this http://www.genealogy.com/users/h/a/s/Jim-Hastings-MO/FILE/0015page.html Tilman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Allison Ross" <slimkim@gci.net> To: "Hesse" <HESSE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 4:33 AM Subject: [HESSE] Ross > Thank you for letting me join this list. I'm searching for the Ross, > Ruehl & Schuchmann surnames in Pfungstadt, Darmstadt & Reichenbach > areas. My grandfather (Ludwig Ross) was born in Reichenbach 23 Sept > 1899 to Barbara (Babette) Ruehl and Wilhelm Ross. My family knows > nothing of Wilhelm. He falls off the face of the earth about 1902-1903. > Barbara's parents are Jacob Ruehl & Christine Schuchmann. She has a > brother & sister (Ludwig & Margarethe) who immigrate to the US, and a > twin brother, George, who dies at birth. I have nothing else. Any info > will be appreciated! Thank you! > > Kim Ross > slimkim@gci.net > > In GOD we trust > My direct ancestors: Ross, Johnson, Buettner, Schumert, Ruehl, > Wiedemann, Dean(e), Hart, Harsch, Spieske, Westerfield, Porter, Fisher, > Vernier/Viner/Winer, Berthiaume. > The Ross & Johnson Families > http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=slimkim > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

On Feb 19, 2011, at 8:53 AM, Carl Becker wrote: > The "Laufzeit" is the time frame which is covered by an archive record. Your > assumption that G.Ph. Schuchmann might have died in 1817 makes sense. 1827 > sould be the date when the probate case was finally settled. Until you have > retrieved the record from Staatsarchiv Darmstadt, you only can guess what > happened betwenn 1817 and 1827. > > My guess would be that the estate was finally divided among the heirs in > 1827 because at this time either his widow died, or underage children had > been grown out of custodianship. This sounds like a reasonable suggestion. Georg Philipp's wife predeceased him in 1815. Their children were born between 1800-1812. I'll write to the Staatsarchiv Darmstadt to seen whether I can obtain a copy or transcription. It sounds as though the document could be helpful. Many thanks for your suggestions! Regards, Debra MacLaughlan-Dumes http://sakionline.net/familypage

I'm curious, does the name in the index mean it is their estate record? Or if that name was in the estate records of someone else, would it name that person as well? I've seen it both ways in some US indexes, where I was excited to learn I found probate records only to learn my ancestor was merely listed on another and the departed was not included in that particular index. Susan Sent from my iPhone On Feb 19, 2011, at 8:53 AM, "Carl Becker" <carl@becker-wiesbaden.de> wrote: > The "Laufzeit" is the time frame which is covered by an archive record. Your > assumption that G.Ph. Schuchmann might have died in 1817 makes sense. 1827 > sould be the date when the probate case was finally settled. Until you have > retrieved the record from Staatsarchiv Darmstadt, you only can guess what > happened betwenn 1817 and 1827. > > My guess would be that the estate was finally divided among the heirs in > 1827 because at this time either his widow died, or underage children had > been grown out of custodianship. > > Regards > > Carl > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "D.L. MacLaughlan-Dumes" <dmac@physics.ucla.edu> > To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 4:57 PM > Subject: [HESSE] Question about HADIS re: Georg Philipp Schuchmann > > >> >> The German database http://www.hadis.hessen.de has an entry for someone >> I'm researching, a Georg Philipp Schuchmann. I'm trying to find out the >> year of his death and his age so I can track his birth/baptism date and >> parents' names. The area I'm researching is Darmstadt. So far microfilm >> records don't include a death record for him. >> >> The entry reads: >> >> Titel >> SCHUCHMANN, Georg Philipp, Posamentier: Nachlass, Inventar >> Laufzeit >> 1817, 1827 >> >> Since this is an estate or probate record of some sort, I assume that his >> death occurred in 1817. What might the second year (1827) indicate? >> >> I realize that HADIS is just an index. Is there a place I can inquire >> further about this record, a local archive in Darmstadt perhaps, or is the >> best avenue to hire a researcher in the region to look it up? >> >> Thanks for any suggestions. >> >> Regards, >> Debra MacLaughlan-Dumes >> http://sakionline.net/familypage >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Feb 19, 2011, at 8:10 AM, Kim Allison Ross wrote: > Maybe you already have this. It's a response to a question I askedseveral days ago at the state archives. > The Darmstadt State Archives keep duplicates of Parochial Registers(Kirchenbücher), for the provinces of Starkenburg and Oberhessen, which(asprovisional civil registers) cover the period from 1808-1875. In order to get information on church records earlier than 1808 Irecommend you to ask the Zentralarchiv der EKHN Darmstadt, Ahastraße 5a, -64285 Darmstadt, Tel. +49 (0)6151 / 3663-63, E-Mail:zentralarchiv@ekhn-kv.de,www.ekhn.de/inhalt/kirche/profil/aufbau/ges_archiv.htm.if your ancestorwas a protestant. Thanks, Kim, for this information. It may come in handy if I can't verify his baptism date. The link to the record at the HADIS database (if it contains any information about Georg Philipp's birth year or age at death) might help me connect him to the right parents. I have one likely candidate from Darmstadt microfilm #1190507, a Georg Philipp Schuchmann baptised 21 Oct 1766, son of Johann Georg Schuchmann and Maria Katharina. But I can't verify that this is the right fellow, or connect him with the HADIS record, without some corroborating documentation showing his birth year. His marriage record doesn't indicate his age and so far I haven't found his death record. Regards, Debra MacLaughlan-Dumes http://sakionline.net/familypage

The German database http://www.hadis.hessen.de has an entry for someone I'm researching, a Georg Philipp Schuchmann. I'm trying to find out the year of his death and his age so I can track his birth/baptism date and parents' names. The area I'm researching is Darmstadt. So far microfilm records don't include a death record for him. The entry reads: Titel SCHUCHMANN, Georg Philipp, Posamentier: Nachlass, Inventar Laufzeit 1817, 1827 Since this is an estate or probate record of some sort, I assume that his death occurred in 1817. What might the second year (1827) indicate? I realize that HADIS is just an index. Is there a place I can inquire further about this record, a local archive in Darmstadt perhaps, or is the best avenue to hire a researcher in the region to look it up? Thanks for any suggestions. Regards, Debra MacLaughlan-Dumes http://sakionline.net/familypage

On Feb 18, 2011, at 10:35 PM, Kim Allison Ross wrote: > Not that I know of. I don't know any of Christine's family at all. You may be able to find out more about them (and the Rühl family) by looking at microfilm of the church records for this region. The Familysearch.com site has indexed baptism records for Jakob Rühl's and Christine Schuchmann's children in Pfungstadt, film #1195497 and #1195498. For instance, your Barbara Rühl was born Marie Barbara Rühl on 31 March 1861 in Pfungstadt. If you have a local LDS family history library you can order the microfilms and find the records, which may reveal more about the family constellation. For instance, godparents are sometimes close family members, grandparents and the like. Sometimes the records indicate the family connection. You might also find a Rühl/Schuchmann marriage record in these films, which usually include the names of the bride's and groom's parents and the groom's profession. Their first child was born in 1856 so a marriage was probably a year or two before this date. Best of luck! Regards, Debra MacLaughlan-Dumes http://sakionline.net/familypage

Maybe you already have this. It's a response to a question I asked several days ago at the state archives. The Darmstadt State Archives keep duplicates of Parochial Registers (Kirchenbücher), for the provinces of Starkenburg and Oberhessen, which (as provisional civil registers) cover the period from 1808-1875. In order to get information on church records earlier than 1808 I recommend you to ask the Zentralarchiv der EKHN Darmstadt, Ahastraße 5 a, -64285 Darmstadt, Tel. +49 (0)6151 / 3663-63, E-Mail: zentralarchiv@ekhn-kv.de, www.ekhn.de/inhalt/kirche/profil/aufbau/ges_archiv.htm.if your ancestor was a protestant. If he was a Catholic, you should ask the Bischöfliches Ordinariat, Dom- und Diözesanarchiv (Postfach 1560, 55005 Mainz, Fon: 06131 / 253-157 und , 06131 / 253-432, Fax: 06131 / 253-406, E-Mail: archiv bistum-mainz.de. General information on the family reseach in the State Archives Darmstadt you can see from "Guidelines For Family Research" (http://www.staatsarchiv-darmstadt.hessen.de/irj/HStAD_Internet?cid=a4f68a82f673c7f55a54a27c82b6cef3 Last but not least the Hessische Familiengeschichtliche Vereinigung Karolinenplatz 3, 64289 Darmstadt, Tel.: +49 (0) 6151 16 59 60 Mail: hfv@haus-der-geschichte.com , Internet: http://www.genealogy.net/vereine/HFV might give you further information. With kind regards pp M. Coccejus Marion Coccejus Dipl.-Archivarin Hessisches Staatsarchiv Darmstadt Karolinenplatz 3 D-64289 Darmstadt Tel: +49 (0)6151-165962 Fax: +49 (0)6151-165901 E-mail: m.coccejus@stad.hessen.de Zuständige Aufsichtsbehörde: Hessisches Ministerium für Wissenschaft und Kunst, Rheinstr. 23 - 25, 65185 Wiesbaden Web: http://www.stad.hessen.de Kim Ross slimkim@gci.net In GOD we trust My direct ancestors: Ross, Johnson, Buettner, Schumert, Ruehl, Wiedemann, Dean(e), Hart, Harsch, Spieske, Westerfield, Porter, Fisher, Vernier/Viner/Winer, Berthiaume. The Ross & Johnson Families http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=slimkim -----Original Message----- From: D.L. MacLaughlan-Dumes <dmac@physics.ucla.edu> To: hesse@rootsweb.com Subject: [HESSE] Question about HADIS re: Georg Philipp Schuchmann Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 07:57:44 -0800 The German database http://www.hadis.hessen.de has an entry for someone I'm researching, a Georg Philipp Schuchmann. I'm trying to find out the year of his death and his age so I can track his birth/baptism date and parents' names. The area I'm researching is Darmstadt. So far microfilm records don't include a death record for him. The entry reads: Titel SCHUCHMANN, Georg Philipp, Posamentier: Nachlass, Inventar Laufzeit 1817, 1827 Since this is an estate or probate record of some sort, I assume that his death occurred in 1817. What might the second year (1827) indicate? I realize that HADIS is just an index. Is there a place I can inquire further about this record, a local archive in Darmstadt perhaps, or is the best avenue to hire a researcher in the region to look it up? Thanks for any suggestions. Regards, Debra MacLaughlan-Dumes http://sakionline.net/familypage ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not that I know of. I don't know any of Christine's family at all. Kim Ross slimkim@gci.net In GOD we trust My direct ancestors: Ross, Johnson, Buettner, Schumert, Ruehl, Wiedemann, Dean(e), Hart, Harsch, Spieske, Westerfield, Porter, Fisher, Vernier/Viner/Winer, Berthiaume. The Ross & Johnson Families http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=slimkim -----Original Message----- From: D.L. MacLaughlan-Dumes <dmac@physics.ucla.edu> To: hesse@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HESSE] Schuchmann (was: Ross) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 20:47:48 -0800 On Feb 18, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Kim Allison Ross wrote: > Barbara's parents are Jacob Ruehl & Christine Schuchmann. She has a > brother & sister (Ludwig & Margarethe) who immigrate to the US, and a > twin brother, George, who dies at birth. I have nothing else. Any info > will be appreciated! Thank you! Any Schuchmann folks who emigrated to Charleston SC or Louisville KY? I have Schuchmann ancestors from Reinheim, Darmstadt, and Pfungstadt, originating with our earliest known ancestor, Johann Georg Schuchmann. His son Georg Philipp (born around 1765) was my 4x great-grandfather. More information is available here: http://sakionline.net/familypage/schuchmann.shtml Let me know whether you see any familiar names. Regards, Debra MacLaughlan-Dumes http://sakionline.net/familypage ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Feb 18, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Kim Allison Ross wrote: > Barbara's parents are Jacob Ruehl & Christine Schuchmann. She has a > brother & sister (Ludwig & Margarethe) who immigrate to the US, and a > twin brother, George, who dies at birth. I have nothing else. Any info > will be appreciated! Thank you! Any Schuchmann folks who emigrated to Charleston SC or Louisville KY? I have Schuchmann ancestors from Reinheim, Darmstadt, and Pfungstadt, originating with our earliest known ancestor, Johann Georg Schuchmann. His son Georg Philipp (born around 1765) was my 4x great-grandfather. More information is available here: http://sakionline.net/familypage/schuchmann.shtml Let me know whether you see any familiar names. Regards, Debra MacLaughlan-Dumes http://sakionline.net/familypage

Thank you for letting me join this list. I'm searching for the Ross, Ruehl & Schuchmann surnames in Pfungstadt, Darmstadt & Reichenbach areas. My grandfather (Ludwig Ross) was born in Reichenbach 23 Sept 1899 to Barbara (Babette) Ruehl and Wilhelm Ross. My family knows nothing of Wilhelm. He falls off the face of the earth about 1902-1903. Barbara's parents are Jacob Ruehl & Christine Schuchmann. She has a brother & sister (Ludwig & Margarethe) who immigrate to the US, and a twin brother, George, who dies at birth. I have nothing else. Any info will be appreciated! Thank you! Kim Ross slimkim@gci.net In GOD we trust My direct ancestors: Ross, Johnson, Buettner, Schumert, Ruehl, Wiedemann, Dean(e), Hart, Harsch, Spieske, Westerfield, Porter, Fisher, Vernier/Viner/Winer, Berthiaume. The Ross & Johnson Families http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=slimkim

Is "Wolfsseher" possible? 51 Adresses are listed in the German phone book.   Regards Karl --- admin@newhamburg.org <admin@newhamburg.org> schrieb am Mi, 16.2.2011: Von: admin@newhamburg.org <admin@newhamburg.org> Betreff: [HESSE] Variation on Wolfschker An: hesse@rootsweb.com Datum: Mittwoch, 16. Februar, 2011 21:04 Uhr Looking for help with name of "John Wolfschker" Was used in an english ad of 1858 which listed 6 other local  businessmen of various backgrounds. No major spelling errors. The  newspaper editor was German. Google search on Wolfschker gives zero results. The name looks reasonable but must be something else. Wolfscher gives very limited hits but then begs the question as to why  the editor would add a "k" to the name unless he was familiar with the  name and realized the addition to the submission was needed Any ideas? JK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi JK, It does not matter what background any of us come from, we all make mistakes. The only way I would possible give it creedence is if it appeared over and over again numerous times. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: admin To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> Sent: 16 February, 2011 3:04 PM Subject: [HESSE] Variation on Wolfschker > Looking for help with name of "John Wolfschker" > > Was used in an english ad of 1858 which listed 6 other local > businessmen of various backgrounds. No major spelling errors. The > newspaper editor was German. > > Google search on Wolfschker gives zero results. > > The name looks reasonable but must be something else. > > Wolfscher gives very limited hits but then begs the question as to why > the editor would add a "k" to the name unless he was familiar with the > name and realized the addition to the submission was needed > > Any ideas? > > JK

Looking for help with name of "John Wolfschker" Was used in an english ad of 1858 which listed 6 other local businessmen of various backgrounds. No major spelling errors. The newspaper editor was German. Google search on Wolfschker gives zero results. The name looks reasonable but must be something else. Wolfscher gives very limited hits but then begs the question as to why the editor would add a "k" to the name unless he was familiar with the name and realized the addition to the submission was needed Any ideas? JK

?I've read the list discussion and I can understand why you are having some problems with the information found at: https://www.familysearch.org/s/collection/list#page=1&countryId=1927074 If you figure out how to use it and find a document about your ancestor(s), I can translate it. Be aware that if the demand takes up too much of my time I'll have to ask for a contribution based upon the time and difficulty. I don't charge a regular fee anymore. When I get some time I'll take a closer look, see if I can offer some helpful insights into how to use it. :-) Don Watson

Sigh, I did take a glance through it--then realized it was for the city of Darmstadt...rats, mine are probably from Rotenberg. For someone with time and patience, it does look like it could be very useful. Christina

On Feb 1, 2011, at 11:06 AM, Lenise Cook wrote: > All that being said - I probably will still take a look at it just to > see what it looks like. to get a feel for the writing and who > knows? I > might get lucky. > > Does anyone know if this only includes citizens of the city proper of > Darmstadt, or did people from nearby towns have to apply for > permission > to leave in Darmstadt? My family is from Erzhausen, a little ways > from > Darmstadt. Is there any point in looking at these records for people > who did not live in the city proper? I've done a little bit of looking around and I did find some of my Dressel and Schuchmann folks in the collection "Aufnahmen von Bürgern und Beisassen, Gesuche um Steuernachlaß, Streitigkeiten aller Art, Dispense wegen Minderjährigkeit, Manumissionen usw.", or "Recordings of citizens and sojourners, applications for tax relief, disputes of all kinds, dispensation of the underaged, manumission, etc." The Dressels were from Groß Zimmern and the Schuchmanns from Reinheim, so other nearby towns seem to be represented. I'm still not sure what the documents represent. Are they a census of some sort, or a registration? I suspect that these new offerings will be indexed eventually. For now they can be searched by year range and surname. Regards, Debra MacLaughlan-Dumes http://sakionline.net/familypage