Many Jung -Young's are in KY-Cinci area ,they do have a family tree and the Michigan Youngs many came via NY to Mich. and one of them thinks that there is a connection and that they were brothers. They did come from the Kaiserslautern area. Doris. -----Original Message----- From: alexis jungk <ajungk@gmail.com> To: hesse <hesse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:50 pm Subject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) Hi Joan, not at this point of my research, but who knows what further digging can ring? I do have a Charles(Carl) Jungk in Pa. though, 'circumstantial evidence' ndicates he was my grgrgrandfather's brother; he seems to have been a achelor. Alexis 20113/1 <rijoperk@twcny.rr.com> > Hi, I have Jung ancestors from Lich, Hesse - Carl Jung was his name - married Margaretha Keppel/Koeppel (umlaut over "o") - any connection? Thanks. Joan Perkins - NYS -----Original Message----- From: alexis jungk Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 10:05 AM To: hesse@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) Hi, I have ancestors who were originally from Metz (Lorraine/Lothringen/Meuze et Moselle), moved to Kassel (Hesse) and a few generations later they had spread almost all around the world. So it is posible that the Borns or maybe a female ancestor did come from somewhere else in Europe. Aditionally, after the 30 Years War, inmigration was encouraged by many german rulers in order to repopulate their lands, and many at the time of the church reformation received groups fleeing their homes, in the case of France they were mainly hugonots (hope I got the spelling right). Alexis 2011/3/1 <brian@amason.net> > > Alsace and Lorraine are the same place, called Alsace by the Germans and > > Lorraine by the French. > Alsace and Lorraine are most definitely NOT the same place. Different > peoples, different dialects, different rulers, different histories. > > Lorraine fell to Richeleiu. Alsace fell to France, piecewise, as a result > of very slick manipulation of treaties at the close of the Thirty Years > War, and was disputed for centuries. In fact it was that very treaty that > was the grain of sand in the oyster from which all the latter wars were > partly born. The free city of Strasbourg was the last Alsatian property to > fall by that treaty, due to the lack of action of a weak and feeble > Emperor. Alsace was historically a German State. The Kings of France > chipped away at the territory over centuries. > > There was much travel back and forth between the border by the people. > Bits of Alsace were under the dominion of the house of Hesse. It's very > possible your cousin has some foundation. But Alzey was part of the > Palatinate. Not Hesse-Darmstadt, until very late in the history of the > German States (1814). > Alzey was, I believe part of the Bishopric of Strasbourg, which is in > Alsace. > > Part of Alsace belonged to the House of Hesse-Kassel, for a time. But not > Hess-Darmstadt. Hesse and the whole area has a very complex and twisted > history. It's almost impossible to make any statement about the area that > is true without qualifying the exact time period you are referring to. > > Brian > > > > > Hessen is north and east of Alsace/Lorraine, and is well within the > > borders of present day Germany. This state does not share a border with > > France, and was only under French control as an occupied territory. > > > > I am sure if I have gotten this wrong, someone more knowledgeable will > > correct me. > > > > Marleen Van Horne > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Has anyone here obtained archival material from the Hessisches Staatsarchiv Darmstadt and, if so, how did you determine what to order? I got a nice email from a representative to whom I'd written, asking about an estate file for my 4x great-grandfather Georg Philipp Schuchmann. Apparently the file runs to 320 pages and deals with multiple-year guardianship issues from 1817-1827. I may not need that level of detail. The cost for all 320 pages is a bit prohibitive but they're willing to send me either an inventory ("Vormundschaftsrechnungen") or a "mass reckoning" (not sure how else to translate "Masserechnung") for a more affordable rate. My goal is to find some reference to the date of my ancestor's death, his age at death, and perhaps (if I'm lucky) a reference to his parents' names. Does anyone here have a suggestion for what I should request? Which of the two options (the inventory or mass reckoning) is likely to be more helpful? Any ideas will be helpful, I'm sure, and I'd be grateful for clarification. Regards, Debra MacLaughlan-Dumes http://sakionline.net/familypage

I don´t know where Hessian military records could be found but most probably in the Hessian archives (hadis hessen) , but I think that unless Herr Maul was an officer, they wouldn't hold much more. Have the sources for the newspaper article been researched? Alexis 2011/3/2 Helen Sanders <landhsanders@hotmail.com> > > I too would like to see the answer on this list. I was told by military > archives in Bavaria that the only way to find info in their (Bavarian) > records was to know the name of the military unit,etc. No search by the > person's name only. > > I hope someone can give the answer for Hessen. > > Helen > > > Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 10:40:37 -0800 > > From: p.a.mccoy@att.net > > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [HESSE] Atempting to Help Someone From Another Group > > > > I'm on another genealogy discussion group and > > a fellow member asked for help with the following > > question: > > > > > Is there a place you can access Hessian Army records? > > > > > > I was looking in newspaper archives for information on my husband's 4th > great > > grandfather, Nicholas Maul. Nicholas was born May 1, 1797 in Hesse Cassel > > Germany and died in Indiana County PA on February 9, 1881. > > > > > > I found the following article in an Indiana County Paper under a large > section > > on the history of the county in honor of the countries' bicentential. > > > > > > Indiana Evening Gazette (Indiana, Pennsylvania) - July 3, 1976 page > D-27 > > > > > > Some former soldiers in the Hessian Army also settled in North > Mahoning: > > Nicholas Maul, with 15 years Hessian service, in 1834. Casper Wortman, 10 > years > > service, came in 1836. Henry Hoffman, 4 years service, came 1850. > > > > > ========================================================= > > > > Can anyone answer this question? > > > > Thanks! > > Pat McCoy, M.S. > > > > Addiction Psychology > > > > Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Joan, not at this point of my research, but who knows what further digging can bring? I do have a Charles(Carl) Jungk in Pa. though, 'circumstantial evidence' indicates he was my grgrgrandfather's brother; he seems to have been a bachelor. Alexis 20113/1 <rijoperk@twcny.rr.com> > Hi, > I have Jung ancestors from Lich, Hesse - Carl Jung was his name - married > Margaretha Keppel/Koeppel (umlaut over "o") - any connection? Thanks. > Joan > Perkins - NYS > > -----Original Message----- > From: alexis jungk > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 10:05 AM > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) > > Hi, > I have ancestors who were originally from Metz (Lorraine/Lothringen/Meuze > et > Moselle), moved to Kassel (Hesse) and a few generations later they > had spread almost all around the world. So it is posible that the Borns or > maybe a female ancestor did come from somewhere else in Europe. > Aditionally, after the 30 Years War, inmigration was encouraged by many > german rulers in order to repopulate their lands, and many at the time of > the church reformation received groups fleeing their homes, in the case of > France they were mainly hugonots (hope I got the spelling right). > Alexis > 2011/3/1 <brian@amason.net> > > > > Alsace and Lorraine are the same place, called Alsace by the Germans > and > > > Lorraine by the French. > > Alsace and Lorraine are most definitely NOT the same place. Different > > peoples, different dialects, different rulers, different histories. > > > > Lorraine fell to Richeleiu. Alsace fell to France, piecewise, as a result > > of very slick manipulation of treaties at the close of the Thirty Years > > War, and was disputed for centuries. In fact it was that very treaty that > > was the grain of sand in the oyster from which all the latter wars were > > partly born. The free city of Strasbourg was the last Alsatian property > to > > fall by that treaty, due to the lack of action of a weak and feeble > > Emperor. Alsace was historically a German State. The Kings of France > > chipped away at the territory over centuries. > > > > There was much travel back and forth between the border by the people. > > Bits of Alsace were under the dominion of the house of Hesse. It's very > > possible your cousin has some foundation. But Alzey was part of the > > Palatinate. Not Hesse-Darmstadt, until very late in the history of the > > German States (1814). > > Alzey was, I believe part of the Bishopric of Strasbourg, which is in > > Alsace. > > > > Part of Alsace belonged to the House of Hesse-Kassel, for a time. But not > > Hess-Darmstadt. Hesse and the whole area has a very complex and twisted > > history. It's almost impossible to make any statement about the area that > > is true without qualifying the exact time period you are referring to. > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > Hessen is north and east of Alsace/Lorraine, and is well within the > > > borders of present day Germany. This state does not share a border > with > > > France, and was only under French control as an occupied territory. > > > > > > I am sure if I have gotten this wrong, someone more knowledgeable will > > > correct me. > > > > > > Marleen Van Horne > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, Marilyn, and thanks. When I read the request from this other person, I got the impression that her husband's ancestor died before World War I. Pat McCoy, M.S. Addiction Psychology Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! ========================================== ________________________________ From: M BARON <mbaron2@sympatico.ca> To: hesse@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 4:16:57 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Atempting to Help Someone From Another Group That's all I entered, and got several sites. Just putting in GERMAN SOLDIERS WW 1 or WW 11 also worked for me. ALSO Luftwaffe Archives 'and Records Reference Group'. They are still adding, but at least a start for us on this side of the pond. I found a couple of my relatives, as well as a tombstone, but return each week hoping for more. Marilyn > Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 12:30:25 -0800 > From: p.a.mccoy@att.net > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Atempting to Help Someone From Another Group > > Thanks, M. Baron. > > Is there a website for the Luftwaffe Archives > and Records Reference Group or other contact > information? > > Thanks, again! > > Pat McCoy, M.S. > > Addiction Psychology > > Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! > =============================================== > > > ________________________________ > From: M BARON <mbaron2@sympatico.ca> > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 3:26:17 PM > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Atempting to Help Someone From Another Group > > > The Luftwaffe Archives & Records Reference Group > > > Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 10:40:37 -0800 > > From: p.a.mccoy@att.net > > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [HESSE] Atempting to Help Someone From Another Group > > > > I'm on another genealogy discussion group and > > a fellow member asked for help with the following > > question: > > > > > Is there a place you can access Hessian Army records? > > > > > > I was looking in newspaper archives for information on my husband's 4th > great > > grandfather, Nicholas Maul. Nicholas was born May 1, 1797 in Hesse Cassel > > Germany and died in Indiana County PA on February 9, 1881. > > > > > > I found the following article in an Indiana County Paper under a large > >section > > on the history of the county in honor of the countries' bicentential. > > > > > > Indiana Evening Gazette (Indiana, Pennsylvania) - July 3, 1976 page D-27 > > > > > > Some former soldiers in the Hessian Army also settled in North Mahoning: > > Nicholas Maul, with 15 years Hessian service, in 1834. Casper Wortman, 10 > years > > service, came in 1836. Henry Hoffman, 4 years service, came 1850. > > > > > ========================================================= > > > > Can anyone answer this question? > > > > Thanks! > > Pat McCoy, M.S. > > > > Addiction Psychology > > > > Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >the > > >subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >HESSE-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I too would like to see the answer on this list. I was told by military archives in Bavaria that the only way to find info in their (Bavarian) records was to know the name of the military unit,etc. No search by the person's name only. I hope someone can give the answer for Hessen. Helen > Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 10:40:37 -0800 > From: p.a.mccoy@att.net > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HESSE] Atempting to Help Someone From Another Group > > I'm on another genealogy discussion group and > a fellow member asked for help with the following > question: > > > Is there a place you can access Hessian Army records? > > > > I was looking in newspaper archives for information on my husband's 4th great > grandfather, Nicholas Maul. Nicholas was born May 1, 1797 in Hesse Cassel > Germany and died in Indiana County PA on February 9, 1881. > > > > I found the following article in an Indiana County Paper under a large section > on the history of the county in honor of the countries' bicentential. > > > > Indiana Evening Gazette (Indiana, Pennsylvania) - July 3, 1976 page D-27 > > > > Some former soldiers in the Hessian Army also settled in North Mahoning: > Nicholas Maul, with 15 years Hessian service, in 1834. Casper Wortman, 10 years > service, came in 1836. Henry Hoffman, 4 years service, came 1850. > > > ========================================================= > > Can anyone answer this question? > > Thanks! > Pat McCoy, M.S. > > Addiction Psychology > > Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, M. Baron. Is there a website for the Luftwaffe Archives and Records Reference Group or other contact information? Thanks, again! Pat McCoy, M.S. Addiction Psychology Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! =============================================== ________________________________ From: M BARON <mbaron2@sympatico.ca> To: hesse@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 3:26:17 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Atempting to Help Someone From Another Group The Luftwaffe Archives & Records Reference Group > Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 10:40:37 -0800 > From: p.a.mccoy@att.net > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HESSE] Atempting to Help Someone From Another Group > > I'm on another genealogy discussion group and > a fellow member asked for help with the following > question: > > > Is there a place you can access Hessian Army records? > > > > I was looking in newspaper archives for information on my husband's 4th great > grandfather, Nicholas Maul. Nicholas was born May 1, 1797 in Hesse Cassel > Germany and died in Indiana County PA on February 9, 1881. > > > > I found the following article in an Indiana County Paper under a large >section > on the history of the county in honor of the countries' bicentential. > > > > Indiana Evening Gazette (Indiana, Pennsylvania) - July 3, 1976 page D-27 > > > > Some former soldiers in the Hessian Army also settled in North Mahoning: > Nicholas Maul, with 15 years Hessian service, in 1834. Casper Wortman, 10 years > service, came in 1836. Henry Hoffman, 4 years service, came 1850. > > > ========================================================= > > Can anyone answer this question? > > Thanks! > Pat McCoy, M.S. > > Addiction Psychology > > Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Alexis. The sources for the newspapers in Pennsylvania have been researched and, beyond that, she has encountered her "brick wall" with the Hessian military records. Pat McCoy, M.S. Addiction Psychology Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! ============================================== ________________________________ From: alexis jungk <ajungk@gmail.com> To: hesse@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 3:18:02 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Atempting to Help Someone From Another Group I don´t know where Hessian military records could be found but most probably in the Hessian archives (hadis hessen) , but I think that unless Herr Maul was an officer, they wouldn't hold much more. Have the sources for the newspaper article been researched? Alexis 2011/3/2 Helen Sanders <landhsanders@hotmail.com> > > I too would like to see the answer on this list. I was told by military > archives in Bavaria that the only way to find info in their (Bavarian) > records was to know the name of the military unit,etc. No search by the > person's name only. > > I hope someone can give the answer for Hessen. > > Helen > > > Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 10:40:37 -0800 > > From: p.a.mccoy@att.net > > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [HESSE] Atempting to Help Someone From Another Group > > > > I'm on another genealogy discussion group and > > a fellow member asked for help with the following > > question: > > > > > Is there a place you can access Hessian Army records? > > > > > > I was looking in newspaper archives for information on my husband's 4th > great > > grandfather, Nicholas Maul. Nicholas was born May 1, 1797 in Hesse Cassel > > Germany and died in Indiana County PA on February 9, 1881. > > > > > > I found the following article in an Indiana County Paper under a large > section > > on the history of the county in honor of the countries' bicentential. > > > > > > Indiana Evening Gazette (Indiana, Pennsylvania) - July 3, 1976 page > D-27 > > > > > > Some former soldiers in the Hessian Army also settled in North > Mahoning: > > Nicholas Maul, with 15 years Hessian service, in 1834. Casper Wortman, 10 > years > > service, came in 1836. Henry Hoffman, 4 years service, came 1850. > > > > > ========================================================= > > > > Can anyone answer this question? > > > > Thanks! > > Pat McCoy, M.S. > > > > Addiction Psychology > > > > Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Sue, This is a very unusual name if you look at the maps of surname distribution in Germany. http://christoph.stoepel.net/geogen/en/Default.aspx I suggest that you look at the phone book you will see that there are only 10 private & 5 business subscribers listed in Germany, although it is possible that other members of this family are not listed for privacy reasons. http://www.dastelefonbuch.de/ get their addresses and write a brief letter to these people, likely one may be a descendant of your ancestor and may be able to help you. Hope this helps Elizabeth On Mar 1, 2011, at 8:54 AM, "Sue Hubbard" <suehubb@forumrsa.com> wrote: > I have been searching for my grandfather's birth place in Germany and have > never been able to find any information about him. It was recently > suggested by a member of the family that they thought the family lived in > Frankfurt. His date of birth was 6 December 1855. > > Believe he immigrated 1876 but have never found his name on a Passenger > List. > > Any suggestions? > > Sue Fingado-Hubbard

I'm on another genealogy discussion group and a fellow member asked for help with the following question: > Is there a place you can access Hessian Army records? > > I was looking in newspaper archives for information on my husband's 4th great grandfather, Nicholas Maul. Nicholas was born May 1, 1797 in Hesse Cassel Germany and died in Indiana County PA on February 9, 1881. > > I found the following article in an Indiana County Paper under a large section on the history of the county in honor of the countries' bicentential. > > Indiana Evening Gazette (Indiana, Pennsylvania) - July 3, 1976 page D-27 > > Some former soldiers in the Hessian Army also settled in North Mahoning: Nicholas Maul, with 15 years Hessian service, in 1834. Casper Wortman, 10 years service, came in 1836. Henry Hoffman, 4 years service, came 1850. > ========================================================= Can anyone answer this question? Thanks! Pat McCoy, M.S. Addiction Psychology Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden!

Pat, no my Carl Jung was not the Carl Jung of fame. Joan -----Original Message----- From: Pat McCoy Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 3:11 PM To: hesse@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) I'm curious if that is THE Carl Jung I often read about in my studies? Pat McCoy, M.S. Addiction Psychology Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! =========================================== ________________________________ From: "rijoperk@twcny.rr.com" <rijoperk@twcny.rr.com> To: hesse@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, March 1, 2011 10:56:25 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) Hi, I have Jung ancestors from Lich, Hesse - Carl Jung was his name - married Margaretha Keppel/Koeppel (umlaut over "o") - any connection? Thanks. Joan Perkins - NYS -----Original Message----- From: alexis jungk Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 10:05 AM To: hesse@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) Hi, I have ancestors who were originally from Metz (Lorraine/Lothringen/Meuze et Moselle), moved to Kassel (Hesse) and a few generations later they had spread almost all around the world. So it is posible that the Borns or maybe a female ancestor did come from somewhere else in Europe. Aditionally, after the 30 Years War, inmigration was encouraged by many german rulers in order to repopulate their lands, and many at the time of the church reformation received groups fleeing their homes, in the case of France they were mainly hugonots (hope I got the spelling right). Alexis 2011/3/1 <brian@amason.net> > > Alsace and Lorraine are the same place, called Alsace by the Germans and > > Lorraine by the French. > Alsace and Lorraine are most definitely NOT the same place. Different > peoples, different dialects, different rulers, different histories. > > Lorraine fell to Richeleiu. Alsace fell to France, piecewise, as a result > of very slick manipulation of treaties at the close of the Thirty Years > War, and was disputed for centuries. In fact it was that very treaty that > was the grain of sand in the oyster from which all the latter wars were > partly born. The free city of Strasbourg was the last Alsatian property to > fall by that treaty, due to the lack of action of a weak and feeble > Emperor. Alsace was historically a German State. The Kings of France > chipped away at the territory over centuries. > > There was much travel back and forth between the border by the people. > Bits of Alsace were under the dominion of the house of Hesse. It's very > possible your cousin has some foundation. But Alzey was part of the > Palatinate. Not Hesse-Darmstadt, until very late in the history of the > German States (1814). > Alzey was, I believe part of the Bishopric of Strasbourg, which is in > Alsace. > > Part of Alsace belonged to the House of Hesse-Kassel, for a time. But not > Hess-Darmstadt. Hesse and the whole area has a very complex and twisted > history. It's almost impossible to make any statement about the area that > is true without qualifying the exact time period you are referring to. > > Brian > > > > > Hessen is north and east of Alsace/Lorraine, and is well within the > > borders of present day Germany. This state does not share a border with > > France, and was only under French control as an occupied territory. > > > > I am sure if I have gotten this wrong, someone more knowledgeable will > > correct me. > > > > Marleen Van Horne > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Alexis! Thanks for your comments, I know that ALL the stones are not turned over, and I continue to look. I continue to thank you for your previous efforts and RESULTS!. From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of alexis jungk Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 7:05 AM To: hesse@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) Hi, I have ancestors who were originally from Metz (Lorraine/Lothringen/Meuze et Moselle), moved to Kassel (Hesse) and a few generations later they had spread almost all around the world. So it is posible that the Borns or maybe a female ancestor did come from somewhere else in Europe. Aditionally, after the 30 Years War, inmigration was encouraged by many german rulers in order to repopulate their lands, and many at the time of the church reformation received groups fleeing their homes, in the case of France they were mainly hugonots (hope I got the spelling right). Alexis 2011/3/1 <brian@amason.net> > > Alsace and Lorraine are the same place, called Alsace by the Germans and > > Lorraine by the French. > Alsace and Lorraine are most definitely NOT the same place. Different > peoples, different dialects, different rulers, different histories. > > Lorraine fell to Richeleiu. Alsace fell to France, piecewise, as a result > of very slick manipulation of treaties at the close of the Thirty Years > War, and was disputed for centuries. In fact it was that very treaty that > was the grain of sand in the oyster from which all the latter wars were > partly born. The free city of Strasbourg was the last Alsatian property to > fall by that treaty, due to the lack of action of a weak and feeble > Emperor. Alsace was historically a German State. The Kings of France > chipped away at the territory over centuries. > > There was much travel back and forth between the border by the people. > Bits of Alsace were under the dominion of the house of Hesse. It's very > possible your cousin has some foundation. But Alzey was part of the > Palatinate. Not Hesse-Darmstadt, until very late in the history of the > German States (1814). > Alzey was, I believe part of the Bishopric of Strasbourg, which is in > Alsace. > > Part of Alsace belonged to the House of Hesse-Kassel, for a time. But not > Hess-Darmstadt. Hesse and the whole area has a very complex and twisted > history. It's almost impossible to make any statement about the area that > is true without qualifying the exact time period you are referring to. > > Brian > > > > > Hessen is north and east of Alsace/Lorraine, and is well within the > > borders of present day Germany. This state does not share a border with > > France, and was only under French control as an occupied territory. > > > > I am sure if I have gotten this wrong, someone more knowledgeable will > > correct me. > > > > Marleen Van Horne > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3475 - Release Date: 03/01/11

At the end the were rivals..Doris. -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Cochran <kathys_old_house@goldrush.com> To: hesse <hesse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:41 pm Subject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) I was wondering the same thing, he was nearly as famous as Sigmund Freud! Kathy Cochran B.A., Psychology From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On ehalf Of Pat McCoy ent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:11 PM o: hesse@rootsweb.com ubject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) I'm curious if that is THE Carl Jung I often read bout in my studies? Pat McCoy, M.S. Addiction Psychology Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! ========================================== _______________________________ rom: "rijoperk@twcny.rr.com" <rijoperk@twcny.rr.com> o: hesse@rootsweb.com ent: Tue, March 1, 2011 10:56:25 AM ubject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) Hi, have Jung ancestors from Lich, Hesse - Carl Jung was his name - married argaretha Keppel/Koeppel (umlaut over "o") - any connection? Thanks. Joan erkins - NYS -----Original Message----- rom: alexis jungk ent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 10:05 AM o: hesse@rootsweb.com ubject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) Hi, have ancestors who were originally from Metz (Lorraine/Lothringen/Meuze et oselle), moved to Kassel (Hesse) and a few generations later they ad spread almost all around the world. So it is posible that the Borns or aybe a female ancestor did come from somewhere else in Europe. ditionally, after the 30 Years War, inmigration was encouraged by many erman rulers in order to repopulate their lands, and many at the time of he church reformation received groups fleeing their homes, in the case of rance they were mainly hugonots (hope I got the spelling right). lexis 011/3/1 <brian@amason.net> > > Alsace and Lorraine are the same place, called Alsace by the Germans and > Lorraine by the French. Alsace and Lorraine are most definitely NOT the same place. Different peoples, different dialects, different rulers, different histories. Lorraine fell to Richeleiu. Alsace fell to France, piecewise, as a result of very slick manipulation of treaties at the close of the Thirty Years War, and was disputed for centuries. In fact it was that very treaty that was the grain of sand in the oyster from which all the latter wars were partly born. The free city of Strasbourg was the last Alsatian property to fall by that treaty, due to the lack of action of a weak and feeble Emperor. Alsace was historically a German State. The Kings of France chipped away at the territory over centuries. There was much travel back and forth between the border by the people. Bits of Alsace were under the dominion of the house of Hesse. It's very possible your cousin has some foundation. But Alzey was part of the Palatinate. Not Hesse-Darmstadt, until very late in the history of the German States (1814). Alzey was, I believe part of the Bishopric of Strasbourg, which is in Alsace. Part of Alsace belonged to the House of Hesse-Kassel, for a time. But not Hess-Darmstadt. Hesse and the whole area has a very complex and twisted history. It's almost impossible to make any statement about the area that is true without qualifying the exact time period you are referring to. Brian > > Hessen is north and east of Alsace/Lorraine, and is well within the > borders of present day Germany. This state does not share a border with > France, and was only under French control as an occupied territory. > > I am sure if I have gotten this wrong, someone more knowledgeable will > correct me. > > Marleen Van Horne > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in he subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body f he message ------------------------------- o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in he subject and the body of the message _____ No virus found in this message. hecked by AVG - www.avg.com ersion: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3475 - Release Date: 03/01/11 ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Pat: Your Jung in the Freudian books and studies was a gent.from Switzerland. Have a wonderful huge book from both of them here. Psychology. Doris -----Original Message----- From: Pat McCoy <p.a.mccoy@att.net> To: hesse <hesse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:13 pm Subject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) I'm curious if that is THE Carl Jung I often read bout in my studies? Pat McCoy, M.S. Addiction Psychology Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! ========================================== _______________________________ rom: "rijoperk@twcny.rr.com" <rijoperk@twcny.rr.com> o: hesse@rootsweb.com ent: Tue, March 1, 2011 10:56:25 AM ubject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) Hi, have Jung ancestors from Lich, Hesse - Carl Jung was his name - married argaretha Keppel/Koeppel (umlaut over "o") - any connection? Thanks. Joan erkins - NYS -----Original Message----- rom: alexis jungk ent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 10:05 AM o: hesse@rootsweb.com ubject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) Hi, have ancestors who were originally from Metz (Lorraine/Lothringen/Meuze et oselle), moved to Kassel (Hesse) and a few generations later they ad spread almost all around the world. So it is posible that the Borns or aybe a female ancestor did come from somewhere else in Europe. ditionally, after the 30 Years War, inmigration was encouraged by many erman rulers in order to repopulate their lands, and many at the time of he church reformation received groups fleeing their homes, in the case of rance they were mainly hugonots (hope I got the spelling right). lexis 011/3/1 <brian@amason.net> > > Alsace and Lorraine are the same place, called Alsace by the Germans and > Lorraine by the French. Alsace and Lorraine are most definitely NOT the same place. Different peoples, different dialects, different rulers, different histories. Lorraine fell to Richeleiu. Alsace fell to France, piecewise, as a result of very slick manipulation of treaties at the close of the Thirty Years War, and was disputed for centuries. In fact it was that very treaty that was the grain of sand in the oyster from which all the latter wars were partly born. The free city of Strasbourg was the last Alsatian property to fall by that treaty, due to the lack of action of a weak and feeble Emperor. Alsace was historically a German State. The Kings of France chipped away at the territory over centuries. There was much travel back and forth between the border by the people. Bits of Alsace were under the dominion of the house of Hesse. It's very possible your cousin has some foundation. But Alzey was part of the Palatinate. Not Hesse-Darmstadt, until very late in the history of the German States (1814). Alzey was, I believe part of the Bishopric of Strasbourg, which is in Alsace. Part of Alsace belonged to the House of Hesse-Kassel, for a time. But not Hess-Darmstadt. Hesse and the whole area has a very complex and twisted history. It's almost impossible to make any statement about the area that is true without qualifying the exact time period you are referring to. Brian > > Hessen is north and east of Alsace/Lorraine, and is well within the > borders of present day Germany. This state does not share a border with > France, and was only under French control as an occupied territory. > > I am sure if I have gotten this wrong, someone more knowledgeable will > correct me. > > Marleen Van Horne > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in he subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

On 3/1/11, hesse-request@rootsweb.com <hesse-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > ***IMPORTANT*** > When replying to a digest message, DO NOT just hit Reply (which will send > the entire digest back to the list). Remove all text (the rest of the > digest) leaving only the specific message to which you are replying. > > Also IMPORTANT, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it > coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. > > Failure to do so will result in a change of your subscription from digest to > single message mode. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: (no subject) (alexis jungk) > 2. Re: (no subject) (rijoperk@twcny.rr.com) > 3. Re: (no subject) (rijoperk@twcny.rr.com) > 4. Augustus Adolph Fingado in Frankfurt (Sue Hubbard) > 5. To: mbarone2 (Don Watson) > 6. Re: Alsace-Lorraine/Darmstadt Weinsheimer/Gerstenschlaeger > (Pat McCoy) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 12:05:05 -0300 > From: alexis jungk <ajungk@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <AANLkTikX94J2q8k1w48WsJq5DmS-bjwYhxe8=m76=0ww@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi, > I have ancestors who were originally from Metz (Lorraine/Lothringen/Meuze et > Moselle), moved to Kassel (Hesse) and a few generations later they > had spread almost all around the world. So it is posible that the Borns or > maybe a female ancestor did come from somewhere else in Europe. > Aditionally, after the 30 Years War, inmigration was encouraged by many > german rulers in order to repopulate their lands, and many at the time of > the church reformation received groups fleeing their homes, in the case of > France they were mainly hugonots (hope I got the spelling right). > Alexis > 2011/3/1 <brian@amason.net> > >> > Alsace and Lorraine are the same place, called Alsace by the Germans and >> > Lorraine by the French. >> Alsace and Lorraine are most definitely NOT the same place. Different >> peoples, different dialects, different rulers, different histories. >> >> Lorraine fell to Richeleiu. Alsace fell to France, piecewise, as a result >> of very slick manipulation of treaties at the close of the Thirty Years >> War, and was disputed for centuries. In fact it was that very treaty that >> was the grain of sand in the oyster from which all the latter wars were >> partly born. The free city of Strasbourg was the last Alsatian property to >> fall by that treaty, due to the lack of action of a weak and feeble >> Emperor. Alsace was historically a German State. The Kings of France >> chipped away at the territory over centuries. >> >> There was much travel back and forth between the border by the people. >> Bits of Alsace were under the dominion of the house of Hesse. It's very >> possible your cousin has some foundation. But Alzey was part of the >> Palatinate. Not Hesse-Darmstadt, until very late in the history of the >> German States (1814). >> Alzey was, I believe part of the Bishopric of Strasbourg, which is in >> Alsace. >> >> Part of Alsace belonged to the House of Hesse-Kassel, for a time. But not >> Hess-Darmstadt. Hesse and the whole area has a very complex and twisted >> history. It's almost impossible to make any statement about the area that >> is true without qualifying the exact time period you are referring to. >> >> Brian >> >> > >> > Hessen is north and east of Alsace/Lorraine, and is well within the >> > borders of present day Germany. This state does not share a border with >> > France, and was only under French control as an occupied territory. >> > >> > I am sure if I have gotten this wrong, someone more knowledgeable will >> > correct me. >> > >> > Marleen Van Horne >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 10:45:21 -0500 > From: <rijoperk@twcny.rr.com> > Subject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) > To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <FA6E433668004FC49CF79506B6C5C024@UserPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi, This is a bit off subject re Hesse, but my paternal ancestors were of > the BARON name from St-Lo, Normandy - immigration to Quebec, Canada. The > name due to phonetics/poor handwriting became Barreau/Bareau (Ontario, CA) & > Barrow/Borrow (NYS). > Could we have a connection. Joan Borrow Perkins > > -----Original Message----- > From: M BARON > Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:03 PM > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) > > > >From Wikipedia--a history of Alsace-Lorraine > > The Imperial territory of Alsace-Lorraine (German: Reichsland > Elsa?-Lothringen, generally Elsass-Lothringen) was a territory created by > the German Empire in 1871 after the annexation of most of Alsace and the > Moselle region of Lorraine in the Franco-Prussian War. The Alsatian part lay > in the Rhine Valley on the west bank of the Rhine River and east of the > Vosges Mountains. The Lorraine section was in the upper Moselle valley to > the north of the Vosges Mountains. > These territories had become part of Eastern Francia in 921 during the reign > of King Louis the German, and later became part of the Holy Roman Empire. > Their population spoke Germanic and Romance dialects. Those in Alsace spoke > in their vast majority Germanic dialects, in particular Alsatian, an > Alemannic German dialect similar to that spoken on the opposite bank of the > Rhine, while those in Lorraine were divided roughly equally between those > who spoke the Romance Lorrain dialect and those who spoke Franconian German > dialects. The area had gradually become part of France between 1552, when > Metz was ceded to the Kingdom of France, and 1798, when the Republic of > Mulhouse joined the French Republic. After the Franco-Prussian War of 1870, > the area was annexed by the newly-created German Empire in 1871 by the > Treaty of Frankfurt and became a Reichsland. > French troops entered Alsace-Lorraine in November 1918 at the end of the > World War I and the territory reverted to France at the Treaty of Versailles > of 1919. > The area was de facto annexed by Nazi Germany in 1940 (although no official > de jure annexation took place), but reverted to France in 1944-1945 at the > end of World War II and has remained a part of France since. > In 1871, the Reichsland of Elsa?-Lothringen was made up of 93% of Alsace (7% > remained French) and 26% of Lorraine (74% remained French). For historical > reasons, specific legal dispositions are still applied in the territory in > form of a local law. In relation to its special legal status, the territory > has since its reversion to France been referred to as Alsace-Moselle > >> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:43:55 -0500 >> From: raygun33@optonline.net >> To: hesse@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) >> >> Alsace and Lorraine ARE NOT the same place, but separate states that are >> linked by military history. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Marleen Van Horne" <msvnhrn@jps.net> >> To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 3:13 PM >> Subject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) >> >> >> > This is my understanding of the situation: >> > >> > The Alsace/Lorraine region is/was a state that under different political >> > circumstances was in either Germany or France. It is currently a part >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 10:56:25 -0500 > From: <rijoperk@twcny.rr.com> > Subject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) > To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <B5D7950F6FC34F668045AAD381F163F5@UserPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi, > I have Jung ancestors from Lich, Hesse - Carl Jung was his name - married > Margaretha Keppel/Koeppel (umlaut over "o") - any connection? Thanks. Joan > Perkins - NYS > > -----Original Message----- > From: alexis jungk > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 10:05 AM > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) > > Hi, > I have ancestors who were originally from Metz (Lorraine/Lothringen/Meuze et > Moselle), moved to Kassel (Hesse) and a few generations later they > had spread almost all around the world. So it is posible that the Borns or > maybe a female ancestor did come from somewhere else in Europe. > Aditionally, after the 30 Years War, inmigration was encouraged by many > german rulers in order to repopulate their lands, and many at the time of > the church reformation received groups fleeing their homes, in the case of > France they were mainly hugonots (hope I got the spelling right). > Alexis > 2011/3/1 <brian@amason.net> > >> > Alsace and Lorraine are the same place, called Alsace by the Germans and >> > Lorraine by the French. >> Alsace and Lorraine are most definitely NOT the same place. Different >> peoples, different dialects, different rulers, different histories. >> >> Lorraine fell to Richeleiu. Alsace fell to France, piecewise, as a result >> of very slick manipulation of treaties at the close of the Thirty Years >> War, and was disputed for centuries. In fact it was that very treaty that >> was the grain of sand in the oyster from which all the latter wars were >> partly born. The free city of Strasbourg was the last Alsatian property to >> fall by that treaty, due to the lack of action of a weak and feeble >> Emperor. Alsace was historically a German State. The Kings of France >> chipped away at the territory over centuries. >> >> There was much travel back and forth between the border by the people. >> Bits of Alsace were under the dominion of the house of Hesse. It's very >> possible your cousin has some foundation. But Alzey was part of the >> Palatinate. Not Hesse-Darmstadt, until very late in the history of the >> German States (1814). >> Alzey was, I believe part of the Bishopric of Strasbourg, which is in >> Alsace. >> >> Part of Alsace belonged to the House of Hesse-Kassel, for a time. But not >> Hess-Darmstadt. Hesse and the whole area has a very complex and twisted >> history. It's almost impossible to make any statement about the area that >> is true without qualifying the exact time period you are referring to. >> >> Brian >> >> > >> > Hessen is north and east of Alsace/Lorraine, and is well within the >> > borders of present day Germany. This state does not share a border with >> > France, and was only under French control as an occupied territory. >> > >> > I am sure if I have gotten this wrong, someone more knowledgeable will >> > correct me. >> > >> > Marleen Van Horne >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 08:54:32 -0800 > From: "Sue Hubbard" <suehubb@forumrsa.com> > Subject: [HESSE] Augustus Adolph Fingado in Frankfurt > To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <ADE3059BCBEE4F5E8D946B2079FCCAAE@SuePC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I have been searching for my grandfather's birth place in Germany and have > never been able to find any information about him. It was recently > suggested by a member of the family that they thought the family lived in > Frankfurt. His date of birth was 6 December 1855. > > Believe he immigrated 1876 but have never found his name on a Passenger > List. > > Any suggestions? > > Sue Fingado-Hubbard > > > > > > > > , > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 11:30:03 -0600 > From: "Don Watson" <dwats@cox.net> > Subject: [HESSE] To: mbarone2 > To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <38F0A455732F4361B5B9033D9B30DF53@PastorDonPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Excellent! Sometimes google and/or wiki stare us in the face! > The amazing amount of information now "out there" on the > internet is going to replace my Hessen website before too > much longer. > > :-) > Don Watson > > Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 01:03:14 +0000 > From: M BARON <mbaron2@sympatico.ca> > > > >From Wikipedia--a history of Alsace-Lorraine > > The Imperial territory of Alsace-Lorraine (German: Reichsland > Elsa?-Lothringen, generally Elsass-Lothringen) > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 11:35:08 -0800 (PST) > From: Pat McCoy <p.a.mccoy@att.net> > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Alsace-Lorraine/Darmstadt > Weinsheimer/Gerstenschlaeger > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <554750.25567.qm@web180212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > When I was growing up, I remember hearing talk > from my maternal relatives of their fear of being > placed in concentration camps, because they're > German descendants, during World War I and > World War II. Given what happened to Japanese- > -Americans during World War II, their fear was not > that far-fetched. > > Pat McCoy, M.S. > > Addiction Psychology > > Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! > ================================================ > > > ________________________________ > From: Kathy Cochran <kathys_old_house@goldrush.com> > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Sent: Mon, February 28, 2011 10:09:53 PM > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Alsace-Lorraine/Darmstadt Weinsheimer/Gerstenschlaeger > > Carolyn, > > > > Have you looked at the distribution of the name WEINSHEIMER on the link: > > > > http://christoph.stoepel.net/geogen/v3/Map.ashx?name=WEINSHEIMER > <http://christoph.stoepel.net/geogen/v3/Map.ashx?name=WEINSHEIMER&target=DE&renderer=EN_US&mode=rel> > &target=DE&renderer=EN_US&mode=rel > > > It might give you some clues. I would LOVE to know why some people (my > Grandmother included) never mentioned the name ?Germany? but dramatically > ?dropped the name? of Alsace-Lorraine whenever she thought someone might be > listening. Ah, she was a drama teacher, but I also wonder if back in the > 30?s > and the 40?s if the hatred and fear of Hitler caused this to be a factor in > her > (and many other people) not ever mentioning that her (their) people came > from > Germany. From what I have learned from all of you today is that Alzey is > about > 60 miles from the border of Alsace-Lorraine, and never was included within > this > border. So to me this is seeming more and more like a fairy-story that was > conjured up because no one coming from Germany wanted to talk about their > past! > My Alsatian gg-g grandfather, my foot! My GERMAN GG-Grandfather, and I am > proud > of him! > > > > > If I had been unwilling to look past Alsace-Lorraine, I would have NEVER > found > my ancestors! I started out on the Rootsweb Alsace-Lorraine list, then > migrated > to the Baden-Wurttemburg one, and then once I got to the HESSE sight, the > answers started to flow! And ALWAYS will I remember Alexia for this. Bless > her! > > > > And bless all of you! > > > > Kathy Cochran > > San Andreas, CA > > > > From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf > Of CarolynChappellNelson > Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 6:50 PM > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Cc: James Baker > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Alsace-Lorraine/Darmstadt Weinsheimer/Gerstenschlaeger > > > > > > I have the same problem. My Elizabeth Weinsheimer/Winsheimer is said to > have > come from Alsace-Lorraine, but some US records say she is from > Hesse-Darmstadt. > I have no idea where to look or even how to search for her in Germany. > Anyone else have this surname? Her father was Anthony and brother, > Andrew...found them in Ohio. > > > > Elizabeth WEINSHEIMER married Johann GERSTENSCHLAEGER in Ohio. My > Gerstenschlaegers are also from Darmstadt..Habitzheim. > > > Any pointers will be gratefully and happilly accepted. > > > Thanks, y'all! > Carolyn Chappell Nelson > anymoreancestors@gmail.com > > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _____ > No virus found in this message. 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I tried passenger lists and German births in Ancestry, but no hits with his birth date. There was an August, b. 1838 who came, but no luck with given, middle and age. Sorry, more fun finding things! Susan Sent from my iPhone On Mar 1, 2011, at 8:54 AM, "Sue Hubbard" <suehubb@forumrsa.com> wrote: > I have been searching for my grandfather's birth place in Germany and have > never been able to find any information about him. It was recently > suggested by a member of the family that they thought the family lived in > Frankfurt. His date of birth was 6 December 1855. > > Believe he immigrated 1876 but have never found his name on a Passenger > List. > > Any suggestions? > > Sue Fingado-Hubbard > > > > > > > > , > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was wondering the same thing, he was nearly as famous as Sigmund Freud! Kathy Cochran B.A., Psychology From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat McCoy Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:11 PM To: hesse@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) I'm curious if that is THE Carl Jung I often read about in my studies? Pat McCoy, M.S. Addiction Psychology Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! =========================================== ________________________________ From: "rijoperk@twcny.rr.com" <rijoperk@twcny.rr.com> To: hesse@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, March 1, 2011 10:56:25 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) Hi, I have Jung ancestors from Lich, Hesse - Carl Jung was his name - married Margaretha Keppel/Koeppel (umlaut over "o") - any connection? Thanks. Joan Perkins - NYS -----Original Message----- From: alexis jungk Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 10:05 AM To: hesse@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) Hi, I have ancestors who were originally from Metz (Lorraine/Lothringen/Meuze et Moselle), moved to Kassel (Hesse) and a few generations later they had spread almost all around the world. So it is posible that the Borns or maybe a female ancestor did come from somewhere else in Europe. Aditionally, after the 30 Years War, inmigration was encouraged by many german rulers in order to repopulate their lands, and many at the time of the church reformation received groups fleeing their homes, in the case of France they were mainly hugonots (hope I got the spelling right). Alexis 2011/3/1 <brian@amason.net> > > Alsace and Lorraine are the same place, called Alsace by the Germans and > > Lorraine by the French. > Alsace and Lorraine are most definitely NOT the same place. Different > peoples, different dialects, different rulers, different histories. > > Lorraine fell to Richeleiu. Alsace fell to France, piecewise, as a result > of very slick manipulation of treaties at the close of the Thirty Years > War, and was disputed for centuries. In fact it was that very treaty that > was the grain of sand in the oyster from which all the latter wars were > partly born. The free city of Strasbourg was the last Alsatian property to > fall by that treaty, due to the lack of action of a weak and feeble > Emperor. Alsace was historically a German State. The Kings of France > chipped away at the territory over centuries. > > There was much travel back and forth between the border by the people. > Bits of Alsace were under the dominion of the house of Hesse. It's very > possible your cousin has some foundation. But Alzey was part of the > Palatinate. Not Hesse-Darmstadt, until very late in the history of the > German States (1814). > Alzey was, I believe part of the Bishopric of Strasbourg, which is in > Alsace. > > Part of Alsace belonged to the House of Hesse-Kassel, for a time. But not > Hess-Darmstadt. Hesse and the whole area has a very complex and twisted > history. It's almost impossible to make any statement about the area that > is true without qualifying the exact time period you are referring to. > > Brian > > > > > Hessen is north and east of Alsace/Lorraine, and is well within the > > borders of present day Germany. This state does not share a border with > > France, and was only under French control as an occupied territory. > > > > I am sure if I have gotten this wrong, someone more knowledgeable will > > correct me. > > > > Marleen Van Horne > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3475 - Release Date: 03/01/11

I'm curious if that is THE Carl Jung I often read about in my studies? Pat McCoy, M.S. Addiction Psychology Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! =========================================== ________________________________ From: "rijoperk@twcny.rr.com" <rijoperk@twcny.rr.com> To: hesse@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, March 1, 2011 10:56:25 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) Hi, I have Jung ancestors from Lich, Hesse - Carl Jung was his name - married Margaretha Keppel/Koeppel (umlaut over "o") - any connection? Thanks. Joan Perkins - NYS -----Original Message----- From: alexis jungk Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 10:05 AM To: hesse@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) Hi, I have ancestors who were originally from Metz (Lorraine/Lothringen/Meuze et Moselle), moved to Kassel (Hesse) and a few generations later they had spread almost all around the world. So it is posible that the Borns or maybe a female ancestor did come from somewhere else in Europe. Aditionally, after the 30 Years War, inmigration was encouraged by many german rulers in order to repopulate their lands, and many at the time of the church reformation received groups fleeing their homes, in the case of France they were mainly hugonots (hope I got the spelling right). Alexis 2011/3/1 <brian@amason.net> > > Alsace and Lorraine are the same place, called Alsace by the Germans and > > Lorraine by the French. > Alsace and Lorraine are most definitely NOT the same place. Different > peoples, different dialects, different rulers, different histories. > > Lorraine fell to Richeleiu. Alsace fell to France, piecewise, as a result > of very slick manipulation of treaties at the close of the Thirty Years > War, and was disputed for centuries. In fact it was that very treaty that > was the grain of sand in the oyster from which all the latter wars were > partly born. The free city of Strasbourg was the last Alsatian property to > fall by that treaty, due to the lack of action of a weak and feeble > Emperor. Alsace was historically a German State. The Kings of France > chipped away at the territory over centuries. > > There was much travel back and forth between the border by the people. > Bits of Alsace were under the dominion of the house of Hesse. It's very > possible your cousin has some foundation. But Alzey was part of the > Palatinate. Not Hesse-Darmstadt, until very late in the history of the > German States (1814). > Alzey was, I believe part of the Bishopric of Strasbourg, which is in > Alsace. > > Part of Alsace belonged to the House of Hesse-Kassel, for a time. But not > Hess-Darmstadt. Hesse and the whole area has a very complex and twisted > history. It's almost impossible to make any statement about the area that > is true without qualifying the exact time period you are referring to. > > Brian > > > > > Hessen is north and east of Alsace/Lorraine, and is well within the > > borders of present day Germany. This state does not share a border with > > France, and was only under French control as an occupied territory. > > > > I am sure if I have gotten this wrong, someone more knowledgeable will > > correct me. > > > > Marleen Van Horne > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I have ancestors who were originally from Metz (Lorraine/Lothringen/Meuze et Moselle), moved to Kassel (Hesse) and a few generations later they had spread almost all around the world. So it is posible that the Borns or maybe a female ancestor did come from somewhere else in Europe. Aditionally, after the 30 Years War, inmigration was encouraged by many german rulers in order to repopulate their lands, and many at the time of the church reformation received groups fleeing their homes, in the case of France they were mainly hugonots (hope I got the spelling right). Alexis 2011/3/1 <brian@amason.net> > > Alsace and Lorraine are the same place, called Alsace by the Germans and > > Lorraine by the French. > Alsace and Lorraine are most definitely NOT the same place. Different > peoples, different dialects, different rulers, different histories. > > Lorraine fell to Richeleiu. Alsace fell to France, piecewise, as a result > of very slick manipulation of treaties at the close of the Thirty Years > War, and was disputed for centuries. In fact it was that very treaty that > was the grain of sand in the oyster from which all the latter wars were > partly born. The free city of Strasbourg was the last Alsatian property to > fall by that treaty, due to the lack of action of a weak and feeble > Emperor. Alsace was historically a German State. The Kings of France > chipped away at the territory over centuries. > > There was much travel back and forth between the border by the people. > Bits of Alsace were under the dominion of the house of Hesse. It's very > possible your cousin has some foundation. But Alzey was part of the > Palatinate. Not Hesse-Darmstadt, until very late in the history of the > German States (1814). > Alzey was, I believe part of the Bishopric of Strasbourg, which is in > Alsace. > > Part of Alsace belonged to the House of Hesse-Kassel, for a time. But not > Hess-Darmstadt. Hesse and the whole area has a very complex and twisted > history. It's almost impossible to make any statement about the area that > is true without qualifying the exact time period you are referring to. > > Brian > > > > > Hessen is north and east of Alsace/Lorraine, and is well within the > > borders of present day Germany. This state does not share a border with > > France, and was only under French control as an occupied territory. > > > > I am sure if I have gotten this wrong, someone more knowledgeable will > > correct me. > > > > Marleen Van Horne > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

When I was growing up, I remember hearing talk from my maternal relatives of their fear of being placed in concentration camps, because they're German descendants, during World War I and World War II. Given what happened to Japanese- -Americans during World War II, their fear was not that far-fetched. Pat McCoy, M.S. Addiction Psychology Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! ================================================ ________________________________ From: Kathy Cochran <kathys_old_house@goldrush.com> To: hesse@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, February 28, 2011 10:09:53 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Alsace-Lorraine/Darmstadt Weinsheimer/Gerstenschlaeger Carolyn, Have you looked at the distribution of the name WEINSHEIMER on the link: http://christoph.stoepel.net/geogen/v3/Map.ashx?name=WEINSHEIMER <http://christoph.stoepel.net/geogen/v3/Map.ashx?name=WEINSHEIMER&target=DE&renderer=EN_US&mode=rel> &target=DE&renderer=EN_US&mode=rel It might give you some clues. I would LOVE to know why some people (my Grandmother included) never mentioned the name “Germany” but dramatically “dropped the name” of Alsace-Lorraine whenever she thought someone might be listening. Ah, she was a drama teacher, but I also wonder if back in the 30’s and the 40’s if the hatred and fear of Hitler caused this to be a factor in her (and many other people) not ever mentioning that her (their) people came from Germany. From what I have learned from all of you today is that Alzey is about 60 miles from the border of Alsace-Lorraine, and never was included within this border. So to me this is seeming more and more like a fairy-story that was conjured up because no one coming from Germany wanted to talk about their past! My Alsatian gg-g grandfather, my foot! My GERMAN GG-Grandfather, and I am proud of him! If I had been unwilling to look past Alsace-Lorraine, I would have NEVER found my ancestors! I started out on the Rootsweb Alsace-Lorraine list, then migrated to the Baden-Wurttemburg one, and then once I got to the HESSE sight, the answers started to flow! And ALWAYS will I remember Alexia for this. Bless her! And bless all of you! Kathy Cochran San Andreas, CA From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of CarolynChappellNelson Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 6:50 PM To: hesse@rootsweb.com Cc: James Baker Subject: Re: [HESSE] Alsace-Lorraine/Darmstadt Weinsheimer/Gerstenschlaeger I have the same problem. My Elizabeth Weinsheimer/Winsheimer is said to have come from Alsace-Lorraine, but some US records say she is from Hesse-Darmstadt. I have no idea where to look or even how to search for her in Germany. Anyone else have this surname? Her father was Anthony and brother, Andrew...found them in Ohio. Elizabeth WEINSHEIMER married Johann GERSTENSCHLAEGER in Ohio. My Gerstenschlaegers are also from Darmstadt..Habitzheim. Any pointers will be gratefully and happilly accepted. Thanks, y'all! Carolyn Chappell Nelson anymoreancestors@gmail.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3418 - Release Date: 02/02/11 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3474 - Release Date: 02/28/11 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message