You know people often neglect what they think are little details, which on later inspection prove to be crucial to forming an accurate picture or hypothesis. Details like "My German ancestors settled in Washington D.C., and they had nothing but troubles during WWI & II.". Go figure, people with German accents and/or names being under suspicion at a time of war, against Germany, in the nation's capital. I'd be just as shocked to hear the same story for residents of Norfolk, VA (major Naval station). ;') Brian On Tue, March 29, 2011 6:41 am, Pat McCoy wrote: > My German relatives lived in the D.C. area so > that may have been a factor in the kind of grief > they got during both World Wars. > > Pat McCoy, M.S. > > Addiction Psychology > > Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! Enjoy my Garden? You sir have a very warped idea of relaxation!

I assume that Richard von Weizsäcker is not amused about your posting ... mainly because he still is alive Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: <thomasecw@aol.com> To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 4:33 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions > > Tough to claim you are NOT of German ancestry if you are from Kansas, USA. > My maternal grandfather (Benjamin WEIZACHER / WADSACK) burned his > excess wheat (that which his family could not eat) rather than sell it to > US markets for fear it would feed US soldiers who were fighting his > countrymen. > One of his cousins was Ernst VON WEIZACHER, a fairly high ranking officer > in the Nazi military. His son, Richard, successfully defended him at the > Nuremburg trials at the close of the war. Later, Richard was elected > Mayor of West Berlin and then president of West Germany (died just a few > years > ago)...served with Chancellor Kohl (sp?). Kind of depends on where you > lived in the USA during the war as to what kind of ridiculing you faced! > > - Tom W. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elizabeth Cunningham <drybones@netreach.net> > To: mmongoose@tds.net; hesse@rootsweb.com > Sent: Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:37 pm > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions > > > On the other hand, as a fifth grader in 1944, I was given a lot of grief > or being a Nazi, because I was the only one in the class who admitted > o German ancestry. (The kid named Mueller sitting in front of me > laimed she was Dutch). My mother's maiden name was Fuehrer, so I could > ot very well get around it. I am also 3/4 German. My father's > randfather came over about 1869, his mother in 1890 or so, and the > uehrer relatives in 1885. None of the Fuehrers changed their names - > y grandfather used to complain "That man stole my name!" > Elizabeth C > mmongoose wrote: > As a person with 75% German ancestry, I totally agree that > many of them had embraced their adopted country (perhaps Generations > back ) and were embarrassed at what what was going on in the united > Germany. German was dropped from the schools in Evansville Indiana > where I was born and which had many German settlers. My father > decided that we were now from Alsace - tho even as a young child > I never accepted for a moment. We were from LOTS of places in > what was called at one tine or another the Palatine, Rhenish > Bavaria ... or a number of small states which frequently changed > rulers through marriage or being otherwise attached to a more powerful > neighbors. Many of my ancestors lived near Alzey in what looked > like walking distance on the inadequate map I had -- but they were > were lines who then officially lived in totally different governing > districts - (Including KircheimBolandan) and some didnt meet until > they reached Indiana. > > I am most proud of those Germans who came just before the civil war -- > may to avoid military service in their homeland == adopted their new > country and served their new country voluntarily. When Lincoln > realized that it was going to be a long one, added to his calls for > men to serve a few months to 3 years > and many Germans insisted in those companies. When I heard that my > Great Granddad had come home on furlough - gotten married = and > interestedly, I was shocked that the honeymoon was over so soon. > It was a long time before I got the timing straight. It was 1864 > when Lincoln was running against McClellan who was promising to end the > war - which was not going well in the east - He seemed unlikely to win > - and worse, those 3 year soldiers were at the end of their enlistment > time.... But, as someone put it -- those vets -- including my > granddad who was with Sherman - Reenlisted - got their furlough > voted for Lincoln (and got married like GrandPo -) and went back to > finish the job. (By the way when they asked him how he survived the > march through Georgia he said he hid behind a tree. > > > Feigel Elzer Rimstidt Griess (Converted to Gryce by an uncle) Maier > Schneider Decker Dietrich ..Bretz .. and a bunch more in > Hesse Rhenish Bavaria and - including the soutn and all those families > south west and NORTH of Alsey > > > > Pat McCoy wrote: > >> Just my perception (based on what I heard >> my German-descended relatives speak about): >> >> If the fairy story was being told during the period(s) >> in our history where anti-German sentiment was >> extremely high, that story might have probably >> been told out of fear of being attacked for "being >> German" and self-preservation. Just my half-cent's >> worth of opinion, (FWIW). >> >> Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! >> ================================================= > > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > he message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Carl - Thanks for confirming Richard is still alive. My mother and Richard exchanged letters frequently up until a couple of years ago. Then, the letters stopped coming from Richard. My mother heard that he had died and told me so. If you should run into him on the street, please ask him to start writing cousin Florence again. Richard knows the story re my grandfather, so rather than being not amused, he would more likely be bored. There are lots of details I left out about Ernst and Richard; not the appropriate intent to post here. - Tom -----Original Message----- From: Carl Becker <carl@becker-wiesbaden.de> To: hesse@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, Mar 29, 2011 4:23 am Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions I assume that Richard von Weizsäcker is not amused about your posting ... ainly because he still is alive Carl ----- Original Message ----- rom: <thomasecw@aol.com> o: <hesse@rootsweb.com> ent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 4:33 AM ubject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions Tough to claim you are NOT of German ancestry if you are from Kansas, USA. My maternal grandfather (Benjamin WEIZACHER / WADSACK) burned his excess wheat (that which his family could not eat) rather than sell it to US markets for fear it would feed US soldiers who were fighting his countrymen. One of his cousins was Ernst VON WEIZACHER, a fairly high ranking officer in the Nazi military. His son, Richard, successfully defended him at the Nuremburg trials at the close of the war. Later, Richard was elected Mayor of West Berlin and then president of West Germany (died just a few years ago)...served with Chancellor Kohl (sp?). Kind of depends on where you lived in the USA during the war as to what kind of ridiculing you faced! - Tom W. -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Cunningham <drybones@netreach.net> To: mmongoose@tds.net; hesse@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:37 pm Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions On the other hand, as a fifth grader in 1944, I was given a lot of grief or being a Nazi, because I was the only one in the class who admitted o German ancestry. (The kid named Mueller sitting in front of me laimed she was Dutch). My mother's maiden name was Fuehrer, so I could ot very well get around it. I am also 3/4 German. My father's randfather came over about 1869, his mother in 1890 or so, and the uehrer relatives in 1885. None of the Fuehrers changed their names - y grandfather used to complain "That man stole my name!" Elizabeth C mmongoose wrote: As a person with 75% German ancestry, I totally agree that many of them had embraced their adopted country (perhaps Generations back ) and were embarrassed at what what was going on in the united Germany. German was dropped from the schools in Evansville Indiana where I was born and which had many German settlers. My father decided that we were now from Alsace - tho even as a young child I never accepted for a moment. We were from LOTS of places in what was called at one tine or another the Palatine, Rhenish Bavaria ... or a number of small states which frequently changed rulers through marriage or being otherwise attached to a more powerful neighbors. Many of my ancestors lived near Alzey in what looked like walking distance on the inadequate map I had -- but they were were lines who then officially lived in totally different governing districts - (Including KircheimBolandan) and some didnt meet until they reached Indiana. I am most proud of those Germans who came just before the civil war -- may to avoid military service in their homeland == adopted their new country and served their new country voluntarily. When Lincoln realized that it was going to be a long one, added to his calls for men to serve a few months to 3 years and many Germans insisted in those companies. When I heard that my Great Granddad had come home on furlough - gotten married = and interestedly, I was shocked that the honeymoon was over so soon. It was a long time before I got the timing straight. It was 1864 when Lincoln was running against McClellan who was promising to end the war - which was not going well in the east - He seemed unlikely to win - and worse, those 3 year soldiers were at the end of their enlistment time.... But, as someone put it -- those vets -- including my granddad who was with Sherman - Reenlisted - got their furlough voted for Lincoln (and got married like GrandPo -) and went back to finish the job. (By the way when they asked him how he survived the march through Georgia he said he hid behind a tree. Feigel Elzer Rimstidt Griess (Converted to Gryce by an uncle) Maier Schneider Decker Dietrich ..Bretz .. and a bunch more in Hesse Rhenish Bavaria and - including the soutn and all those families south west and NORTH of Alsey Pat McCoy wrote: > Just my perception (based on what I heard > my German-descended relatives speak about): > > If the fairy story was being told during the period(s) > in our history where anti-German sentiment was > extremely high, that story might have probably > been told out of fear of being attacked for "being > German" and self-preservation. Just my half-cent's > worth of opinion, (FWIW). > > Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! > ================================================= ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Just basing my observations on what I heard discussed as a child. I'm a Baby Boomer so I wasn't around during either of the World Wars. Pat McCoy, M.S. Addiction Psychology Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! ================================================ ________________________________ From: "brian@amason.net" <brian@amason.net> To: hesse@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, March 29, 2011 11:58:12 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions You know people often neglect what they think are little details, which on later inspection prove to be crucial to forming an accurate picture or hypothesis. Details like "My German ancestors settled in Washington D.C., and they had nothing but troubles during WWI & II.". Go figure, people with German accents and/or names being under suspicion at a time of war, against Germany, in the nation's capital. I'd be just as shocked to hear the same story for residents of Norfolk, VA (major Naval station). ;') Brian On Tue, March 29, 2011 6:41 am, Pat McCoy wrote: > My German relatives lived in the D.C. area so > that may have been a factor in the kind of grief > they got during both World Wars. > > Pat McCoy, M.S. > > Addiction Psychology > > Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! Enjoy my Garden? You sir have a very warped idea of relaxation! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Elizabeth, My mother experienced what you did in school. And...it was also my great grandfather who came over in 1886. Family lore has it that Ernst Kurtz left while still in service in the military but I know that he also followed five sisters who had preceded him as domestics. They were all girls in their teens and early 20s. They had lost their father in 1870. I suspect that life became very difficult and they came with the intention of helping the family. This family left very little specific written information for us, but had I questioned my own grandfather before he died, I would probably have learned quite a bit. I have found some truth in most family lore. Sometimes it doesn't immediately make sense, but usually I have ended up finding the elements that led to the story. Bev W -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Cunningham <drybones@netreach.net> To: mmongoose <mmongoose@tds.net>; hesse <hesse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:40 pm Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions On the other hand, as a fifth grader in 1944, I was given a lot of grief or being a Nazi, because I was the only one in the class who admitted o German ancestry. (The kid named Mueller sitting in front of me laimed she was Dutch). My mother's maiden name was Fuehrer, so I could ot very well get around it. I am also 3/4 German. My father's randfather came over about 1869, his mother in 1890 or so, and the uehrer relatives in 1885. None of the Fuehrers changed their names - y grandfather used to complain "That man stole my name!" Elizabeth C mmongoose wrote: As a person with 75% German ancestry, I totally agree that many of them had embraced their adopted country (perhaps Generations back ) and were embarrassed at what what was going on in the united Germany. German was dropped from the schools in Evansville Indiana where I was born and which had many German settlers. My father decided that we were now from Alsace - tho even as a young child I never accepted for a moment. We were from LOTS of places in what was called at one tine or another the Palatine, Rhenish Bavaria ... or a number of small states which frequently changed rulers through marriage or being otherwise attached to a more powerful neighbors. Many of my ancestors lived near Alzey in what looked like walking distance on the inadequate map I had -- but they were were lines who then officially lived in totally different governing districts - (Including KircheimBolandan) and some didnt meet until they reached Indiana. I am most proud of those Germans who came just before the civil war -- may to avoid military service in their homeland == adopted their new country and served their new country voluntarily. When Lincoln realized that it was going to be a long one, added to his calls for men to serve a few months to 3 years and many Germans insisted in those companies. When I heard that my Great Granddad had come home on furlough - gotten married = and interestedly, I was shocked that the honeymoon was over so soon. It was a long time before I got the timing straight. It was 1864 when Lincoln was running against McClellan who was promising to end the war - which was not going well in the east - He seemed unlikely to win - and worse, those 3 year soldiers were at the end of their enlistment time.... But, as someone put it -- those vets -- including my granddad who was with Sherman - Reenlisted - got their furlough voted for Lincoln (and got married like GrandPo -) and went back to finish the job. (By the way when they asked him how he survived the march through Georgia he said he hid behind a tree. Feigel Elzer Rimstidt Griess (Converted to Gryce by an uncle) Maier Schneider Decker Dietrich ..Bretz .. and a bunch more in Hesse Rhenish Bavaria and - including the soutn and all those families south west and NORTH of Alsey Pat McCoy wrote: > Just my perception (based on what I heard > my German-descended relatives speak about): > > If the fairy story was being told during the period(s) > in our history where anti-German sentiment was > extremely high, that story might have probably > been told out of fear of being attacked for "being > German" and self-preservation. Just my half-cent's > worth of opinion, (FWIW). > > Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! > ================================================= ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

My German relatives lived in the D.C. area so that may have been a factor in the kind of grief they got during both World Wars. Pat McCoy, M.S. Addiction Psychology Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! =========================================== ________________________________ From: "thomasecw@aol.com" <thomasecw@aol.com> To: hesse@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 10:33:47 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions Tough to claim you are NOT of German ancestry if you are from Kansas, USA. My maternal grandfather (Benjamin WEIZACHER / WADSACK) burned his excess wheat (that which his family could not eat) rather than sell it to US markets for fear it would feed US soldiers who were fighting his countrymen. One of his cousins was Ernst VON WEIZACHER, a fairly high ranking officer in the Nazi military. His son, Richard, successfully defended him at the Nuremburg trials at the close of the war. Later, Richard was elected Mayor of West Berlin and then president of West Germany (died just a few years ago)...served with Chancellor Kohl (sp?). Kind of depends on where you lived in the USA during the war as to what kind of ridiculing you faced! - Tom W. -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Cunningham <drybones@netreach.net> To: mmongoose@tds.net; hesse@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:37 pm Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions On the other hand, as a fifth grader in 1944, I was given a lot of grief or being a Nazi, because I was the only one in the class who admitted o German ancestry. (The kid named Mueller sitting in front of me laimed she was Dutch). My mother's maiden name was Fuehrer, so I could ot very well get around it. I am also 3/4 German. My father's randfather came over about 1869, his mother in 1890 or so, and the uehrer relatives in 1885. None of the Fuehrers changed their names - y grandfather used to complain "That man stole my name!" Elizabeth C mmongoose wrote: As a person with 75% German ancestry, I totally agree that many of them had embraced their adopted country (perhaps Generations back ) and were embarrassed at what what was going on in the united Germany. German was dropped from the schools in Evansville Indiana where I was born and which had many German settlers. My father decided that we were now from Alsace - tho even as a young child I never accepted for a moment. We were from LOTS of places in what was called at one tine or another the Palatine, Rhenish Bavaria ... or a number of small states which frequently changed rulers through marriage or being otherwise attached to a more powerful neighbors. Many of my ancestors lived near Alzey in what looked like walking distance on the inadequate map I had -- but they were were lines who then officially lived in totally different governing districts - (Including KircheimBolandan) and some didnt meet until they reached Indiana. I am most proud of those Germans who came just before the civil war -- may to avoid military service in their homeland == adopted their new country and served their new country voluntarily. When Lincoln realized that it was going to be a long one, added to his calls for men to serve a few months to 3 years and many Germans insisted in those companies. When I heard that my Great Granddad had come home on furlough - gotten married = and interestedly, I was shocked that the honeymoon was over so soon. It was a long time before I got the timing straight. It was 1864 when Lincoln was running against McClellan who was promising to end the war - which was not going well in the east - He seemed unlikely to win - and worse, those 3 year soldiers were at the end of their enlistment time.... But, as someone put it -- those vets -- including my granddad who was with Sherman - Reenlisted - got their furlough voted for Lincoln (and got married like GrandPo -) and went back to finish the job. (By the way when they asked him how he survived the march through Georgia he said he hid behind a tree. Feigel Elzer Rimstidt Griess (Converted to Gryce by an uncle) Maier Schneider Decker Dietrich ..Bretz .. and a bunch more in Hesse Rhenish Bavaria and - including the soutn and all those families south west and NORTH of Alsey Pat McCoy wrote: > Just my perception (based on what I heard > my German-descended relatives speak about): > > If the fairy story was being told during the period(s) > in our history where anti-German sentiment was > extremely high, that story might have probably > been told out of fear of being attacked for "being > German" and self-preservation. Just my half-cent's > worth of opinion, (FWIW). > > Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! > ================================================= ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tough to claim you are NOT of German ancestry if you are from Kansas, USA. My maternal grandfather (Benjamin WEIZACHER / WADSACK) burned his excess wheat (that which his family could not eat) rather than sell it to US markets for fear it would feed US soldiers who were fighting his countrymen. One of his cousins was Ernst VON WEIZACHER, a fairly high ranking officer in the Nazi military. His son, Richard, successfully defended him at the Nuremburg trials at the close of the war. Later, Richard was elected Mayor of West Berlin and then president of West Germany (died just a few years ago)...served with Chancellor Kohl (sp?). Kind of depends on where you lived in the USA during the war as to what kind of ridiculing you faced! - Tom W. -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Cunningham <drybones@netreach.net> To: mmongoose@tds.net; hesse@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:37 pm Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions On the other hand, as a fifth grader in 1944, I was given a lot of grief or being a Nazi, because I was the only one in the class who admitted o German ancestry. (The kid named Mueller sitting in front of me laimed she was Dutch). My mother's maiden name was Fuehrer, so I could ot very well get around it. I am also 3/4 German. My father's randfather came over about 1869, his mother in 1890 or so, and the uehrer relatives in 1885. None of the Fuehrers changed their names - y grandfather used to complain "That man stole my name!" Elizabeth C mmongoose wrote: As a person with 75% German ancestry, I totally agree that many of them had embraced their adopted country (perhaps Generations back ) and were embarrassed at what what was going on in the united Germany. German was dropped from the schools in Evansville Indiana where I was born and which had many German settlers. My father decided that we were now from Alsace - tho even as a young child I never accepted for a moment. We were from LOTS of places in what was called at one tine or another the Palatine, Rhenish Bavaria ... or a number of small states which frequently changed rulers through marriage or being otherwise attached to a more powerful neighbors. Many of my ancestors lived near Alzey in what looked like walking distance on the inadequate map I had -- but they were were lines who then officially lived in totally different governing districts - (Including KircheimBolandan) and some didnt meet until they reached Indiana. I am most proud of those Germans who came just before the civil war -- may to avoid military service in their homeland == adopted their new country and served their new country voluntarily. When Lincoln realized that it was going to be a long one, added to his calls for men to serve a few months to 3 years and many Germans insisted in those companies. When I heard that my Great Granddad had come home on furlough - gotten married = and interestedly, I was shocked that the honeymoon was over so soon. It was a long time before I got the timing straight. It was 1864 when Lincoln was running against McClellan who was promising to end the war - which was not going well in the east - He seemed unlikely to win - and worse, those 3 year soldiers were at the end of their enlistment time.... But, as someone put it -- those vets -- including my granddad who was with Sherman - Reenlisted - got their furlough voted for Lincoln (and got married like GrandPo -) and went back to finish the job. (By the way when they asked him how he survived the march through Georgia he said he hid behind a tree. Feigel Elzer Rimstidt Griess (Converted to Gryce by an uncle) Maier Schneider Decker Dietrich ..Bretz .. and a bunch more in Hesse Rhenish Bavaria and - including the soutn and all those families south west and NORTH of Alsey Pat McCoy wrote: > Just my perception (based on what I heard > my German-descended relatives speak about): > > If the fairy story was being told during the period(s) > in our history where anti-German sentiment was > extremely high, that story might have probably > been told out of fear of being attacked for "being > German" and self-preservation. Just my half-cent's > worth of opinion, (FWIW). > > Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! > ================================================= ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

My gr-gr-grandfather also came over, apparently to avoid military service. Enrolled voluntarily. Got shot in the hip on his second engagement, got a discharge, re-enlisted for someone else a year later ($300 bounty). Re-enlisted again (another $300 bounty, all on top of his own $100 bounty). Got shot and captured at the second to last campaign of the war. Had a court-martial in there for trying to hop a train home to bury his first, and at that time only child, a mere toddler. wound up with an honorable discharge. Afterwards, he made a good living as a cabinet maker and saloon owner. His brother made trips back to the Old Country to drum up sources for beer and what not. Another brother came over, and dropped off the face of the Earth. Had he only been Irish, he'd have realized one needs to hold onto a blade of grass when you're that drunk. ;') But careful examination of the roll calls before those infamous Civil War battles would be very enlightening to those who have drunk the Kool-aid they call American History in grade schools. It would seem a great many of the registered folk that make up those history book muster were AWOL. A LOT. Some were signed up in multiple regiments at the same time! I could use a few clones myself. Brian On Mon, March 28, 2011 8:12 pm, mmongoose wrote: > As a person with 75% German ancestry, I totally agree that > many of them had embraced their adopted country (perhaps Generations > back ) and were embarrassed at what what was going on in the united > Germany. German was dropped from the schools in Evansville Indiana > where I was born and which had many German settlers. My father > decided that we were now from Alsace - tho even as a young child > I never accepted for a moment. We were from LOTS of places in > what was called at one tine or another the Palatine, Rhenish > Bavaria ... or a number of small states which frequently changed > rulers through marriage or being otherwise attached to a more powerful > neighbors. Many of my ancestors lived near Alzey in what looked > like walking distance on the inadequate map I had -- but they were > were lines who then officially lived in totally different governing > districts - (Including KircheimBolandan) and some didnt meet until > they reached Indiana. > > I am most proud of those Germans who came just before the civil war -- > may to avoid military service in their homeland == adopted their new > country and served their new country voluntarily. When Lincoln > realized that it was going to be a long one, added to his calls for > men to serve a few months to 3 years > and many Germans insisted in those companies. When I heard that my > Great Granddad had come home on furlough - gotten married = and > interestedly, I was shocked that the honeymoon was over so soon. > It was a long time before I got the timing straight. It was 1864 > when Lincoln was running against McClellan who was promising to end the > war - which was not going well in the east - He seemed unlikely to win > - and worse, those 3 year soldiers were at the end of their enlistment > time.... But, as someone put it -- those vets -- including my > granddad who was with Sherman - Reenlisted - got their furlough > voted for Lincoln (and got married like GrandPo -) and went back to > finish the job. (By the way when they asked him how he survived the > march through Georgia he said he hid behind a tree. > > > Feigel Elzer Rimstidt Griess (Converted to Gryce by an uncle) Maier > Schneider Decker Dietrich ..Bretz .. and a bunch more in > Hesse Rhenish Bavaria and - including the soutn and all those families > south west and NORTH of Alsey >

One of my gg grandfathers came over from Hesse in 1848 probably to avoid the civil war in germany. He was a shoemaker and settled with family in Ohio. During the Civil War he fought with the 8th Ohio Volunteer Cavalry in Virginia and was captured and released in a prisoner exchange. He later moved to San Francisco and raised his family. I remember my mother telling me that during WWI, as a little girl, her parents would send her to the store and she was told not to use the German name for different food items. My grandfather died in 1943 in San Francisco and I don't remember any problems with being of German descent. I think the Japanese immigrants had lots of problems. In fact they cleared the coast of California where many Japanese had farms. I don't know if they ever got their land back after the war. Another gg grandfather was a sailor out of Bremen and jumped ship in New York in 1848 and headed for California. He may have also been avoiding conscription. Another ggg grandfather came over to New York from Germany in 1848 with a wife and a brother. They headed for California in 1852 and settled in the Mother Lode. California was probably so far from the civil war in Germany that not too many people cared where they were from. In California at the time they discriminated against the Chinese. My other grandfather was English and he came over in 1909 following his father to Chicago. In 1917, just before WWI , he moved his family to San Francisco. If he had stayed in England he would have been involved in WWI. The British nearly lost an entire generation in that war. I for one am glad he came to America. John Best

On the other hand, as a fifth grader in 1944, I was given a lot of grief for being a Nazi, because I was the only one in the class who admitted to German ancestry. (The kid named Mueller sitting in front of me claimed she was Dutch). My mother's maiden name was Fuehrer, so I could not very well get around it. I am also 3/4 German. My father's grandfather came over about 1869, his mother in 1890 or so, and the Fuehrer relatives in 1885. None of the Fuehrers changed their names - my grandfather used to complain "That man stole my name!" Elizabeth C mmongoose wrote: > As a person with 75% German ancestry, I totally agree that > many of them had embraced their adopted country (perhaps Generations > back ) and were embarrassed at what what was going on in the united > Germany. German was dropped from the schools in Evansville Indiana > where I was born and which had many German settlers. My father > decided that we were now from Alsace - tho even as a young child > I never accepted for a moment. We were from LOTS of places in > what was called at one tine or another the Palatine, Rhenish > Bavaria ... or a number of small states which frequently changed > rulers through marriage or being otherwise attached to a more powerful > neighbors. Many of my ancestors lived near Alzey in what looked > like walking distance on the inadequate map I had -- but they were > were lines who then officially lived in totally different governing > districts - (Including KircheimBolandan) and some didnt meet until > they reached Indiana. > > I am most proud of those Germans who came just before the civil war -- > may to avoid military service in their homeland == adopted their new > country and served their new country voluntarily. When Lincoln > realized that it was going to be a long one, added to his calls for > men to serve a few months to 3 years > and many Germans insisted in those companies. When I heard that my > Great Granddad had come home on furlough - gotten married = and > interestedly, I was shocked that the honeymoon was over so soon. > It was a long time before I got the timing straight. It was 1864 > when Lincoln was running against McClellan who was promising to end the > war - which was not going well in the east - He seemed unlikely to win > - and worse, those 3 year soldiers were at the end of their enlistment > time.... But, as someone put it -- those vets -- including my > granddad who was with Sherman - Reenlisted - got their furlough > voted for Lincoln (and got married like GrandPo -) and went back to > finish the job. (By the way when they asked him how he survived the > march through Georgia he said he hid behind a tree. > > > Feigel Elzer Rimstidt Griess (Converted to Gryce by an uncle) Maier > Schneider Decker Dietrich ..Bretz .. and a bunch more in > Hesse Rhenish Bavaria and - including the soutn and all those families > south west and NORTH of Alsey > > > > Pat McCoy wrote: > >> Just my perception (based on what I heard >> my German-descended relatives speak about): >> >> If the fairy story was being told during the period(s) >> in our history where anti-German sentiment was >> extremely high, that story might have probably >> been told out of fear of being attacked for "being >> German" and self-preservation. Just my half-cent's >> worth of opinion, (FWIW). >> >> Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! >> ================================================= >

As a person with 75% German ancestry, I totally agree that many of them had embraced their adopted country (perhaps Generations back ) and were embarrassed at what what was going on in the united Germany. German was dropped from the schools in Evansville Indiana where I was born and which had many German settlers. My father decided that we were now from Alsace - tho even as a young child I never accepted for a moment. We were from LOTS of places in what was called at one tine or another the Palatine, Rhenish Bavaria ... or a number of small states which frequently changed rulers through marriage or being otherwise attached to a more powerful neighbors. Many of my ancestors lived near Alzey in what looked like walking distance on the inadequate map I had -- but they were were lines who then officially lived in totally different governing districts - (Including KircheimBolandan) and some didnt meet until they reached Indiana. I am most proud of those Germans who came just before the civil war -- may to avoid military service in their homeland == adopted their new country and served their new country voluntarily. When Lincoln realized that it was going to be a long one, added to his calls for men to serve a few months to 3 years and many Germans insisted in those companies. When I heard that my Great Granddad had come home on furlough - gotten married = and interestedly, I was shocked that the honeymoon was over so soon. It was a long time before I got the timing straight. It was 1864 when Lincoln was running against McClellan who was promising to end the war - which was not going well in the east - He seemed unlikely to win - and worse, those 3 year soldiers were at the end of their enlistment time.... But, as someone put it -- those vets -- including my granddad who was with Sherman - Reenlisted - got their furlough voted for Lincoln (and got married like GrandPo -) and went back to finish the job. (By the way when they asked him how he survived the march through Georgia he said he hid behind a tree. Feigel Elzer Rimstidt Griess (Converted to Gryce by an uncle) Maier Schneider Decker Dietrich ..Bretz .. and a bunch more in Hesse Rhenish Bavaria and - including the soutn and all those families south west and NORTH of Alsey Pat McCoy wrote: > Just my perception (based on what I heard > my German-descended relatives speak about): > > If the fairy story was being told during the period(s) > in our history where anti-German sentiment was > extremely high, that story might have probably > been told out of fear of being attacked for "being > German" and self-preservation. Just my half-cent's > worth of opinion, (FWIW). > > Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! > ================================================= > > > ________________________________ > From: Kathy Cochran <kathys_old_house@goldrush.com> > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Sent: Mon, March 14, 2011 2:32:04 PM > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions > > I completely second that about not trusting family history! For some reason > my grandmother helped to perpetuate a "fairy story" that our family (Adam & > Sophia Born) was from Alsace-Lorraine, where I looked and looked and looked > in vain. I FINALLY found them in Alzey, Hessen, Darmstadt, (thanks to > Alexis Jungk, on this list!) . There was never any acknowledgment that we > were German at all! Now I know why I'm so stubborn (smile)! And, from what > I have gathered Alzey was NEVER within the boundaries of Alsace-Lorraine, > even though the boundaries of that area were ever changing due to the wars. > > > > > I only wish I knew why this was so! (the fairy story) > > > > Kathy Cochran > > San Andreas, CA > > > > From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Raymond F. Gunther > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 11:06 AM > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions > > > > Do Not Trust Family Oral History !!!!!!!!!!!!!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles Hofacker" <chofack@gmail.com> > To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 11:12 AM > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions > > > >> Hi all -- >> >> I would second Pat's answer. Explore but then keep the results tagged as >> tentative or exploratory until a more definitive result emerges. In the >> meantime you might help someone else. >> >> While on this general topic of jumping to conclusions, when I am not >> investigating family roots in Hesse, in my other life I do statistical >> stuff. I have been looking in vain for books or articles on how to apply >> statistical or mathematical reasoning to questions like these. >> >> In my own case, I call it the 'Francis Hofacker' problem. My great-great >> grand uncle Killian Hofacker migrated to Carbon County, PA, from >> Salmunster, >> a town east of Frankfurt. My family was well acquainted with this fact, >> but >> I have recently discovered that a certain Francis Hofacker lived about a >> mile and a half from Killian. So is this a coincidence or were they >> related? >> >> Has anyone run into any technical or mathematical writings on assessing >> these sorts of questions? >> >> Mostly what I see is the conservative ideal to not jump to conclusions >> unless you are absolutely certain, which I interpret to mean that the >> probability of you being wrong when you say person X is related is "small" >> and the probability that you are correct is "large". I have not seen any >> tools that help you calculate these probabilities or advice as to how to >> approach the problem of doing such calculations. >> >> Anyone with mathematical or computational interests should feel free to >> email me for a draft spreadsheet I have worked up to help me decide the >> question. >> __________________________________________________________________ >> Charles Hofacker: My <http://myweb.fsu.edu/chofacker> >> FSU<http://myweb.fsu.edu/chofacker> >> Page <http://myweb.fsu.edu/chofacker> | >> Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/chofack> >> | Delicious <http://www.delicious.com/chofack> | >> Twitter<http://twitter.com/chofack> >> <http://twitter.com/chofack> >> >> >>> ================================================== >>> >>> b. >>> circa 1703 was not from Karben but came there by 1750, working as a >>> shepherd. >>> >>> Going through my notebooks for possible Heck connections, I revisited one >>> Heinrich Heck b. 1657 and d. 1718, in Dauerheim, Oberhessen. Mapquesting >>> the >>> town, I have found that it appears to be about 7 minutes from >>> Kirscheimbolanden >>> and about an hour from Gross-Karben. >>> >>> Would it be likely that there might be a family connection here? My 3 >>> great >>> grandfather was a "master tailor" from Karben. 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Glad to do what I can. I understand how frustrating it can be trying to track down clues in Germany, especially when one name was used in America and a different name was used back home in Germany! Pat McCoy, M.S. Addiction Psychology Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! ============================================= ________________________________ From: Sue Hubbard <suehubb@forumrsa.com> To: hesse@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, March 22, 2011 4:57:02 PM Subject: [HESSE] Augustus Adolph Fingado Hi Pat, I have been searching for my grandfather's birth city in and around the Lahr area for many years and have never been able to find his birth or christening records thru the FHL and visiting Salt Lake City. The majority of Fingado's are from this area. Just recently I've had two notes from family members in Germany suggesting Strasbourg or Frankfurt. So I'm changing direction and will look in these two areas. Unfortunately I honestly don't know where he was born. His Declaration of Intent (short form) stated he gave up his Allegiance to the Emperor of Germany. His wife was from Leimersheim, Germany and the story has been told that they were childhood sweethearts, but have struck out on finding him in Leimersheim. Thanks again for your note! Sue From: Pat McCoy <p.a.mccoy@att.net> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Meaning of Buffetier - waiter or servant You're welcome, Sue! I'm curious about how far, from the French/German border, your grandfather lived. That might be a clue in itself. Pat McCoy, M.S. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Our Schuylkill County forebears were from listed from Kur Hessen my grt grt grandfather was a miner in Minersville, he came to the Pottsville are 1844. When we determined who was related in the region I ordered from the Pottsville City Hall the natuarization papers for the boys from Pottsville as well as Ashland which is next town over. After examining we found two that put them in Bieber/Burburg but not all of them where found to be from Bieber some were from Gelnhausen on the records from the German Speaking RC Church they attended. The mountains going North to South Seppsrat and the valley where major mining areas for hundred's of years, mainly lots of copper mines along that area as well as in Bavaria on the far side of the mountains. Marie

Looking for the SCHADE family of Kure Hesse -- where are they from? On census forms they show as from Hesse Cassel, Hesse Darmstadt, Hesse, Germany, but I can't narrow it down. Family Search apparently hasn't covered this area yet. Someone on ancestry shows them from Hersfeld-Rotenburg, but there's no documentation. Another person has suggested Sterkelshausen or Richelsdorf in the same area. My family were coal miners, and Richelsdorf is apparently a mining area. Below is what I believe to be the family, though most is circumstantial. ALL these people were living in Hazleton, Luzerne Co, PA starting in 1857, and some immigrated together. 1 x Schade b: Hessen-Kassel (or Kure Hesse), Germany ...... + x b: Hessen-Kassel (or Kure Hesse), Germany ............2 Johannes Schade b: 21 Nov 1829 in Kurhessen, Germany, d: 01 Jul 1897 in Hazleton, Luzerne Co, PA ............2 Conrad Schade b: 16 Jan 1832 in Kurhessen, Germany, d: 02 Aug 1883 in Hazleton, Luzerne Co, PA ............2 Anna Maria Schade b: 23 Nov 1834, d: 20 Sep 1865 in Hazleton, Luzerne Co, PA ............2 George Johannes Schade b: 1838 in Hesse Darmstadt, Germany ............2 Christian Schade b: Dec 1840 in Kurhessen, Germany, d: 18 Sep 1904 in Hazleton, Luzerne Co, PA ............2 Nicholaus Christopher Schade b: 01 Jan 1843 in Kurhessen, Germany, d: 10 Aug 1902 in Hazleton, Luzerne Co, PA ............2 Anna Elizabeth Schade b: 1845, d: Jan 1904 in PA ............2 Veronika Schade b: Nov 1853 in Germany ............2 Daniel Schade Johannes, Conrad, and George immigrated together; their specific connection is unknown, but presumed to be brothers. Other people came in the 1860s. I know that Christian, Nicholaus, and Veronika are siblings. ALL of these "siblings" sponsored baptisms of each other's children, which supports a close relationship. Any help greatly appreciated! Sharon

Sue, You can search all the films for Strasbourg online. Bas-Rhin has digitized their whole collection and posted it on the web. http://etat-civil.bas-rhin.fr/adeloch/index.php Regards from a little Badische, a little Hessian, a little Alsatian, a little Dutch, and a lot O' Irish, Brian On Tue, March 22, 2011 3:57 pm, Sue Hubbard wrote: > Hi Pat, > > I have been searching for my grandfather's birth city in and around the > Lahr > area for many years and have never been able to find his birth or > christening records thru the FHL and visiting Salt Lake City. The > majority > of Fingado's are from this area. Just recently I've had two notes from > family members in Germany suggesting Strasbourg or Frankfurt. So I'm > changing direction and will look in these two areas. Unfortunately I > honestly don't know where he was born. His Declaration of Intent (short > form) stated he gave up his Allegiance to the Emperor of Germany. His > wife > was from Leimersheim, Germany and the story has been told that they were > childhood sweethearts, but have struck out on finding him in Leimersheim. > > Thanks again for your note! > > Sue > > From: Pat McCoy <p.a.mccoy@att.net> > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Meaning of Buffetier - waiter or servant > > You're welcome, Sue! > > I'm curious about how far, from > the French/German border, your grandfather > lived. That might be a clue in itself. > > Pat McCoy, M.S. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

Sorry for butting in but have you looked for a marriage in the toen you listed? Many marry in the town where the bride resided. Marie

Sue, Are you referring to the Leimersheim in Bavaria that is actually not in Bavaria proper but is really in The Pfalz. A quick surname search at FamilySearch shows most Fingados they list are from Baden (Lahr). Wouldn't this query best be on the Pfalz or Baden mail lists? At 03:56 PM 3/22/2011, you wrote: >From: "Sue Hubbard" <suehubb@forumrsa.com> >Subject: [HESSE] Augustus Adolph Fingado >To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> > >Hi Pat, > >I have been searching for my grandfather's birth city in and around the Lahr >area for many years and have never been able to find his birth or >christening records thru the FHL and visiting Salt Lake City. The majority >of Fingado's are from this area. Just recently I've had two notes from >family members in Germany suggesting Strasbourg or Frankfurt. So I'm >changing direction and will look in these two areas. Unfortunately I >honestly don't know where he was born. His Declaration of Intent (short >form) stated he gave up his Allegiance to the Emperor of Germany. His wife >was from Leimersheim, Germany and the story has been told that they were >childhood sweethearts, but have struck out on finding him in Leimersheim. > >Thanks again for your note! > >Sue > >From: Pat McCoy <p.a.mccoy@att.net> >Subject: Re: [HESSE] Meaning of Buffetier - waiter or servant > >You're welcome, Sue! > >I'm curious about how far, from >the French/German border, your grandfather >lived. That might be a clue in itself. > >Pat McCoy, M.S. ____________________________________________________________ Groupon&#8482 Official Site 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city&#39;s best! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4d89256558cfc2e0a51st06vuc

Hi, Many thanks to all of you who answered my request. I'll keep hunting . As an extra bonus though, the name Pauline answered a question about Appolonia in a family other than the one I originally meant. No good deed goes unused!!!! Helen > From: landhsanders@hotmail.com > To: hesse-l@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:36:19 -0400 > Subject: [HESSE] Nickname for Appolonia? > > > > Is there a common "nickname" for the name Appolonia? A young girl > by the name of Maria Appolonia was b in 1740, but can't be found after > the birth record. Under what other name could I search?......She's not > under Mary or Maria or Polly. > > Thanks for any help! > > Helen > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Also found a Sophia Shombach, age 21, arriving NY 29 April 1853 <1832>, but she was traveling with what looks like the name Frances, 17 year old male with same last name. Ship was Southampton. Something to look at, maybe consider. Susan Sent from my iPhone On Mar 22, 2011, at 11:49 AM, Helen Sanders <landhsanders@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > Every so often I apply for a month of Ancestry and its about that time now. So...I'll get with it! > > I can't tell you how much I appreciate your help and interest.....I'll let you know how this comes out. > > Helen > >> From: noshowclc@aol.com >> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 11:09:38 -0700 >> To: hesse@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Schambach Estate or Guardianship papers in 1837? >> >> Helen, it's on Ancestry.com >> If you don't belong, you can either subscribe (you can have shorter subscriptions), or check your public library to see if they carry it (you'll have to go in and use their computers), or if the above is impossible, let me know and I can see what I can send. I know you can see a transcribed list of passengers, but it's better to look at the manifest because some of those transcriptions are wrong. >> >> I thought they might be yours since the ages were right on, and your friend has had no luck finding them in Germany. >> >> The bad part, these early manifests only contain what I gave you, where later ones are filled with genealogy bonuses. >> >> Susan >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Mar 22, 2011, at 7:54 AM, Helen Sanders <landhsanders@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> Susan, >>> >>> THis is so exciting! >>> >>> But please tell me where you found this? I have googled like crazy and have not found this record. I would like to read the rest of the people on board the ship... >>> >>> Many thanks, Helen >>> >>>> From: noshowclc@aol.com >>>> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:25:26 -0700 >>>> To: hesse@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Schambach Estate or Guardianship papers in 1837? >>>> >>>> Helen, >>>> The ages are perfect for two of the girls: >>>> Departed London and Arrived NY on 31 July 1851, ship Prime Albert (Prince Albert?) >>>> Margareta Shombach, 23, servant, b. Darmstadt. >>>> Catharine Shombach, 25, b. Darmstadt. >>>> >>>> Possibly yours? >>>> >>>> Susan >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Mar 20, 2011, at 7:18 PM, Helen Sanders <landhsanders@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Susan, >>>>> >>>>> Hi and thank you for your thought. It may be possible that records are under the Roehrig name. The man who researches for me picked up the 2nd marriage and is very good at finding the unexpected. He didn't mention any adoption, but I would hope that any other records might indicate that. Members of the DORN family (the mother's brothers and father) eventually emigrated, and I even thought the girls might have accompanied them, but so far have found no record of that either. >>>>> >>>>> I've been trying to think (as they say) outside the box! There will be another trip to Salt Lake City the end of the summer and I'm thinking of reserving a fair amount of time for extra research. I wish I could read German! >>>>> >>>>> Again, many thanks for answering. >>>>> >>>>> Helen >>>>> >>>>>> From: noshowclc@aol.com >>>>>> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 16:23:05 -0700 >>>>>> To: hesse@rootsweb.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Schambach Estate or Guardianship papers in 1837? >>>>>> >>>>>> Is it possible the young children took the step-father's surname? Or adopted by him? I've seen that in a case or two. Has your friend tried looking for marriage records under step-father's name? Just a thought as another way to look, I'm sure you'll get better advise. >>>>>> >>>>>> Susan >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 20, 2011, at 3:17 PM, Helen Sanders <landhsanders@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi.....another question about my SCHAMBACH family of Bensheim, Hesse. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When Johann Theobald SCHAMBACH (b 1798) died in Bensheim on 14 February, 1837 of pneumonia he left his wife, Katharina (nee DORN), b 1794, with 5 daughters and 2 sons. I'm mostly interested right now in what eventually happened to the daughters: >>>>>>> Christina, b 13 Oct, 1822 >>>>>>> Katharina, b 25 March, 1826 >>>>>>> Margarethe, b 27 Jan, 1828 >>>>>>> Sophia, b 21 Aug 1831 and >>>>>>> Maria Anna, b 3 Sept, 1833, d 1840. >>>>>>> The 2 sons were Georg, b 23 Sept, 1824 and >>>>>>> Franz Jacob, b 10 Sept, 1835. The 2 sons emigrated to America as adults. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I wonder if there was time to write a will? After his death would it be necessary to have a document giving financial guardianship to someone for those children? Where would I write or email for help about those documents? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I do know that the mother, Katharina,(nee DORN) was remarried on 21 Nov, 1837 to Christoph Roehrig. He took on quite a ready made family! If she remarried would it be unnecessary for guardianship or considered more necessary because of the father's estate? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The daughters are being difficult to track down later in their lives. A German speaking friend has been reading LDS films for marriages and deaths for me, but has found nothing on the daughters so far. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any suggestions will be appreciated >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Helen >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Every so often I apply for a month of Ancestry and its about that time now. So...I'll get with it! I can't tell you how much I appreciate your help and interest.....I'll let you know how this comes out. Helen > From: noshowclc@aol.com > Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 11:09:38 -0700 > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Schambach Estate or Guardianship papers in 1837? > > Helen, it's on Ancestry.com > If you don't belong, you can either subscribe (you can have shorter subscriptions), or check your public library to see if they carry it (you'll have to go in and use their computers), or if the above is impossible, let me know and I can see what I can send. I know you can see a transcribed list of passengers, but it's better to look at the manifest because some of those transcriptions are wrong. > > I thought they might be yours since the ages were right on, and your friend has had no luck finding them in Germany. > > The bad part, these early manifests only contain what I gave you, where later ones are filled with genealogy bonuses. > > Susan > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 22, 2011, at 7:54 AM, Helen Sanders <landhsanders@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Susan, > > > > THis is so exciting! > > > > But please tell me where you found this? I have googled like crazy and have not found this record. I would like to read the rest of the people on board the ship... > > > > Many thanks, Helen > > > >> From: noshowclc@aol.com > >> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:25:26 -0700 > >> To: hesse@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Schambach Estate or Guardianship papers in 1837? > >> > >> Helen, > >> The ages are perfect for two of the girls: > >> Departed London and Arrived NY on 31 July 1851, ship Prime Albert (Prince Albert?) > >> Margareta Shombach, 23, servant, b. Darmstadt. > >> Catharine Shombach, 25, b. Darmstadt. > >> > >> Possibly yours? > >> > >> Susan > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On Mar 20, 2011, at 7:18 PM, Helen Sanders <landhsanders@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Susan, > >>> > >>> Hi and thank you for your thought. It may be possible that records are under the Roehrig name. The man who researches for me picked up the 2nd marriage and is very good at finding the unexpected. He didn't mention any adoption, but I would hope that any other records might indicate that. Members of the DORN family (the mother's brothers and father) eventually emigrated, and I even thought the girls might have accompanied them, but so far have found no record of that either. > >>> > >>> I've been trying to think (as they say) outside the box! There will be another trip to Salt Lake City the end of the summer and I'm thinking of reserving a fair amount of time for extra research. I wish I could read German! > >>> > >>> Again, many thanks for answering. > >>> > >>> Helen > >>> > >>>> From: noshowclc@aol.com > >>>> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 16:23:05 -0700 > >>>> To: hesse@rootsweb.com > >>>> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Schambach Estate or Guardianship papers in 1837? > >>>> > >>>> Is it possible the young children took the step-father's surname? Or adopted by him? I've seen that in a case or two. Has your friend tried looking for marriage records under step-father's name? Just a thought as another way to look, I'm sure you'll get better advise. > >>>> > >>>> Susan > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>> On Mar 20, 2011, at 3:17 PM, Helen Sanders <landhsanders@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi.....another question about my SCHAMBACH family of Bensheim, Hesse. > >>>>> > >>>>> When Johann Theobald SCHAMBACH (b 1798) died in Bensheim on 14 February, 1837 of pneumonia he left his wife, Katharina (nee DORN), b 1794, with 5 daughters and 2 sons. I'm mostly interested right now in what eventually happened to the daughters: > >>>>> Christina, b 13 Oct, 1822 > >>>>> Katharina, b 25 March, 1826 > >>>>> Margarethe, b 27 Jan, 1828 > >>>>> Sophia, b 21 Aug 1831 and > >>>>> Maria Anna, b 3 Sept, 1833, d 1840. > >>>>> The 2 sons were Georg, b 23 Sept, 1824 and > >>>>> Franz Jacob, b 10 Sept, 1835. The 2 sons emigrated to America as adults. > >>>>> > >>>>> I wonder if there was time to write a will? After his death would it be necessary to have a document giving financial guardianship to someone for those children? Where would I write or email for help about those documents? > >>>>> > >>>>> I do know that the mother, Katharina,(nee DORN) was remarried on 21 Nov, 1837 to Christoph Roehrig. He took on quite a ready made family! If she remarried would it be unnecessary for guardianship or considered more necessary because of the father's estate? > >>>>> > >>>>> The daughters are being difficult to track down later in their lives. A German speaking friend has been reading LDS films for marriages and deaths for me, but has found nothing on the daughters so far. > >>>>> > >>>>> Any suggestions will be appreciated > >>>>> > >>>>> Helen > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message