I second that! :) Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Watson" > Folks, please........... How difficult is it to DELETE everything before > you respond? We get the same > messages over and over and over and over and over again. It is so simple > to highlight and delete > everything in a digest, then send your reponse. The only thing you need to > reference is the message > that you are responding to. EVERYTHING ELSE can be deleted in one second ! > ! ! Try it, you'll > like it ! ! ! > > Please........... these old eyes would like to hang on a little longer. Be > kind enough to be brief. The > result will be a very orderly presentation for all of us ! ! !

Excuse my question. What was the Bund? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Korndoerfer" <wckkorn@hotmail.com> To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions > You may want to check on the internment of Germans, German-Americans, and > Italians during WW2. Some were not released until 1946. Some deserved it > because of the Bund. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: <brian@amason.net> > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:58 AM > To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions > >> You know people often neglect what they think are little details, which >> on >> later inspection prove to be crucial to forming an accurate picture or >> hypothesis. >> >> Details like "My German ancestors settled in Washington D.C., and they >> had >> nothing but troubles during WWI & II.". >> >> Go figure, people with German accents and/or names being under suspicion >> at a time of war, against Germany, in the nation's capital. I'd be just >> as >> shocked to hear the same story for residents of Norfolk, VA (major Naval >> station). >> >> ;') >> Brian >> >> On Tue, March 29, 2011 6:41 am, Pat McCoy wrote: >>> My German relatives lived in the D.C. area so >>> that may have been a factor in the kind of grief >>> they got during both World Wars. >>> >>> Pat McCoy, M.S. >>> >>> Addiction Psychology >>> >>> Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! >> Enjoy my Garden? You sir have a very warped idea of relaxation! >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to all who are sharing their German ancestors here in the USA. My paternal grandmother's paternal grandfather was born in Hesse Darmstadt Prussia in 1836, came to the States in 1861 and settled in Wayne County, Ohio. He (Johan Friederick 'Fred' Appuhn) enlisted in McLaughlin's 16th Infantry in June 1864. He was captured (October 1864) during night picket duty in Decatur, AL. He spent the remainder of the war in Andersonville. He was mustered out June 1865, married Susan(nah) Kercher September 1865, became a US Citizen October 1865. They had two sons (Harry Curtis, John David (my great grandpa) there in Wooster, Wayne County, OH. They then made the trek (1869) to Cass County, NE where they homesteaded and had 7 more children. All reached maturity but one, a 3 year old daughter died in a prairie fire, she was the youngest child. My maternal (Grace Muriel Appuhn Stevens) grandma's mother was German and English. Grandma Grace spoke German to her grandchildren when our grandpa wasn't around. He didn't want her talking in German....and I understand it had to do with the two WW's. After Grandpa Stevens passed in his 80s. Grandma was in a nursing home and they had an aide that spoke German and Grandma got to conversing with her in German. Also, from what I can glean from family and some of their records, my gggrandpa did not speak English. And on his death certificate his parents were unknown. I did find his parents through LDS church records. He also had a brother about 5-8 years older. Also, family stated he was from Alsace Loraine. I have connected with a cousin that lives in Berlin and is the family historian for Appuhn, Appon, Appin, Appunn family. He helped me trace gggrandpa 'Fred's' paternal line to Johann (Joachim) Gebhard Appunn, 1670, Sommerschenburg, Germany. Again, thanks to everyone for their input. I have really enjoyed reading about other family language information. Jacqueline Stevens Leathers Bask0491@aol.com My Surnames: Appuhn, Barnes, Caress, Cherry, Criss, Crist, Cunningham, Hallwaechs, Jones, Kercher, Keiser, King, Maxwell, Peters, Pickering, Stegall, Stevens, Williams, Young.

Hello............. I've been at this for a loooooooong time. I'm getting too old, really, to continue. I've cancelled all lists except Hessen, where we lived for so many years and often wish we had remained there. Folks, please........... How difficult is it to DELETE everything before you respond? We get the same messages over and over and over and over and over again. It is so simple to highlight and delete everything in a digest, then send your reponse. The only thing you need to reference is the message that you are responding to. EVERYTHING ELSE can be deleted in one second ! ! ! Try it, you'll like it ! ! ! Please........... these old eyes would like to hang on a little longer. Be kind enough to be brief. The result will be a very orderly presentation for all of us ! ! ! Thank you ! ! ! :-) Don Watson

When I was growing up, my parents gave me a Iron Cross 2nd class. They said that it was from a relative from WW1. My father also told me that during WW1 the family said that they were Dutch to avoid problems. My father was 10. There was a lot of anti german feelings . This was in NYC and New Jersey. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Pat McCoy" <p.a.mccoy@att.net> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 11:11 AM To: "Tilman Ochs" <twochs@t-online.de>; <hesse@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions > When I Googled "the Bund", I found references > to the American Nazi Party and Jewish Slave > Labor. > > Pat McCoy, M.S. > > Addiction Psychology > > Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! > ================================================ > > > ________________________________ > From: Tilman Ochs <christel.ochs@t-online.de> > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 10:46:06 AM > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions > > Excuse my question. What was the Bund? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Walter Korndoerfer" <wckkorn@hotmail.com> > To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 7:34 PM > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions > > >> You may want to check on the internment of Germans, German-Americans, and >> Italians during WW2. Some were not released until 1946. Some deserved it >> because of the Bund. >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: <brian@amason.net> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:58 AM >> To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions >> >>> You know people often neglect what they think are little details, which >>> on >>> later inspection prove to be crucial to forming an accurate picture or >>> hypothesis. >>> >>> Details like "My German ancestors settled in Washington D.C., and they >>> had >>> nothing but troubles during WWI & II.". >>> >>> Go figure, people with German accents and/or names being under suspicion >>> at a time of war, against Germany, in the nation's capital. I'd be just >>> as >>> shocked to hear the same story for residents of Norfolk, VA (major Naval >>> station). >>> >>> ;') >>> Brian >>> >>> On Tue, March 29, 2011 6:41 am, Pat McCoy wrote: >>>> My German relatives lived in the D.C. area so >>>> that may have been a factor in the kind of grief >>>> they got during both World Wars. >>>> >>>> Pat McCoy, M.S. >>>> >>>> Addiction Psychology >>>> >>>> Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! >>> Enjoy my Garden? You sir have a very warped idea of relaxation! >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

My Hubby's great-grandfather lived in Sangamon County IL (near Springfield) during WWI. Toward the end of the war, it looked like a son would have to go fight and the father hung himself in the outhouse because a son would have to fight the fatherland. This area had a large German community and I imagine the loyalty was there. They had poor English skills so may not have totally understood the concept of the war. In WWII, my husband's grandmother (a daughter-in-law of the above great-grandfather) lived with my husband's family as she was a widow. She was very hard of hearing and almost blind and could not understand why we were fighting Germany again. My father-in-law (her son) had to sit her down and explain Hitler's role and why we were again fighting Germany. It was very difficult for her as she still spoke German and, we think, still even thought in German. I've never heard anything about discrimination or difficulties beyond the ones the two wars caused in the immediate families. JG

The Bund was a pro-nazi German American organization before WW2. It was called the German-American Bund and had thousand of members. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Tilman Ochs" <christel.ochs@t-online.de> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 10:46 AM To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions > Excuse my question. What was the Bund? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Walter Korndoerfer" <wckkorn@hotmail.com> > To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 7:34 PM > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions > > >> You may want to check on the internment of Germans, German-Americans, and >> Italians during WW2. Some were not released until 1946. Some deserved it >> because of the Bund. >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: <brian@amason.net> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:58 AM >> To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions >> >>> You know people often neglect what they think are little details, which >>> on >>> later inspection prove to be crucial to forming an accurate picture or >>> hypothesis. >>> >>> Details like "My German ancestors settled in Washington D.C., and they >>> had >>> nothing but troubles during WWI & II.". >>> >>> Go figure, people with German accents and/or names being under suspicion >>> at a time of war, against Germany, in the nation's capital. I'd be just >>> as >>> shocked to hear the same story for residents of Norfolk, VA (major Naval >>> station). >>> >>> ;') >>> Brian >>> >>> On Tue, March 29, 2011 6:41 am, Pat McCoy wrote: >>>> My German relatives lived in the D.C. area so >>>> that may have been a factor in the kind of grief >>>> they got during both World Wars. >>>> >>>> Pat McCoy, M.S. >>>> >>>> Addiction Psychology >>>> >>>> Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! >>> Enjoy my Garden? You sir have a very warped idea of relaxation! >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

My German ancestor came to America between 1848 and 1850. His grand daughter, my grand mother, always claimed to be from Alsace Lorraine, but his naturalization papers renounced the Grand Duke of Nassau. Bart

When I Googled "the Bund", I found references to the American Nazi Party and Jewish Slave Labor. Pat McCoy, M.S. Addiction Psychology Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! ================================================ ________________________________ From: Tilman Ochs <christel.ochs@t-online.de> To: hesse@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 10:46:06 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions Excuse my question. What was the Bund? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Korndoerfer" <wckkorn@hotmail.com> To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions > You may want to check on the internment of Germans, German-Americans, and > Italians during WW2. Some were not released until 1946. Some deserved it > because of the Bund. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: <brian@amason.net> > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:58 AM > To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions > >> You know people often neglect what they think are little details, which >> on >> later inspection prove to be crucial to forming an accurate picture or >> hypothesis. >> >> Details like "My German ancestors settled in Washington D.C., and they >> had >> nothing but troubles during WWI & II.". >> >> Go figure, people with German accents and/or names being under suspicion >> at a time of war, against Germany, in the nation's capital. I'd be just >> as >> shocked to hear the same story for residents of Norfolk, VA (major Naval >> station). >> >> ;') >> Brian >> >> On Tue, March 29, 2011 6:41 am, Pat McCoy wrote: >>> My German relatives lived in the D.C. area so >>> that may have been a factor in the kind of grief >>> they got during both World Wars. >>> >>> Pat McCoy, M.S. >>> >>> Addiction Psychology >>> >>> Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! >> Enjoy my Garden? You sir have a very warped idea of relaxation! >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, > Going through my notebooks for possible Heck connections, > I revisited one Heinrich Heck b. 1657 and d. 1718, in > Dauerheim, Oberhessen. Mapquesting the town, I have > found that it appears to be about 7 minutes from > Kirscheimbolanden and about an hour from Gross-Karben. Sorry, Mapquest shows you "Gauersheim" east of Kirchheim-Bolanden. Dauernheim is north-east of Karben and part of Ranstadt. You can find it in the west of Ranstadt. Maybe it works: <http://mapq.st/gY0lkx> Herzliche Grüße Ernst-Peter (Winter)

When I got access to some German confirmation films from the world war I era, I decided to look through them just in case some leads to long lost cousins might appear. I did not find many - what I did find was that these records were very scant, Compared to what one would have expected in other years there were very few young men of anywhere near military age - Some appeared to be deceased in other records ... It is some time since I saw them - but I recall the feeling that a lot had gone missing - whether by war famine disease or death. I do recall a few statements that someone had died at such and such a place. Somehow seeing it in these records of young people it left an exceedingly empty feeling. Fairly recently I learned to my delight that his units missing regimental flag had been located It had been looted from the exit area in Indianapolis and sold and displayed as a relic (n a restaurant I think.) Barbara Rice FEIGEL MAIER GRIESS

"I have BEST family from Hesse." Jim Rettig ******* Hello, where did they come from ? My wife has Best-ancestors from Mittelkalbach. We both have lots of ancestors from the Fulda area in Germany. Ruediger

Hi, Mine are from Heppenheim, Bensheim, etc, Hesse, Germany. Some ended up in Cincinnati. Jim Rettig "I have BEST family from Hesse." Jim Rettig ******* Hello, where did they come from ? -----Original Message----- From: r.maluck <r.maluck@t-online.de> To: hesse <hesse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Mar 29, 2011 2:44 pm Subject: Re: [HESSE] for J BEST "I have BEST family from Hesse." Jim Rettig ******* Hello, where did they come from ? My wife has Best-ancestors from Mittelkalbach. We both have lots of ancestors from the Fulda area in Germany. Ruediger ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Humor has gone out of the world*, or my humor is just too subtle to be detected via email. ;') That said, my German heritage ancestors fought proudly in every war this country has had since they immigrated here. even my uncle served, until they kindly asked him to leave with honor. Which tells you something of my uncle's ability to serve, i.e. they didn't trust him with a mop, much less a gun. He never did satisfactorily answer why. But why you'd let a skilled carpenter go at 6'5" and 200+ odd pounds of solid muscle is a mystery that won't get solved. He volunteered, JFTR. The same can be said for the rest of my immigrant ancestors, back to the time of the colonies. In some cases I have family on both sides of the conflicts. As is likely to be the case in Germany, once I start running the roots forward. I'm not aware of any of my family being part of the American Nazi party (aka Bund), which was a good predictive precursor to being housed in an American "Camp" during WWII. Certainly not the only cause for such interment. War is Hell. Note that none of the military papers for any of my German ancestors were helpful from a genealogical perspective, except to show when and where and how they served. Brian * There is now talk of banning episodes of the Simpson's because of the nuclear accident in Japan. Although, since Homer works in a Nuclear plant, I don't see how banning just a few specific episodes is going to be helpful to that goal, to "think about [insert category of people]". IIRC, there's a nuclear accident in the show's lead-in.

I probably should clarify a bit more about my German ancestors. My German great-great- grandfather arrived in the port of Baltimore in 1849 without his parents or siblings. He was only 14 years old. He lived in Washington, D.C. for the rest of his life and his descendants have remained in the area. Pat McCoy, M.S. Addiction Psychology Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! ================================================= ________________________________ From: Kim Allison Ross <slimkim@gci.net> To: hesse@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, March 29, 2011 5:09:13 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions No. Mine settled in Illinois. -----Original Message----- From: Pat McCoy <p.a.mccoy@att.net> To: hesse@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:41:45 -0700 (PDT) My German relatives lived in the D.C. area so that may have been a factor in the kind of grief they got during both World Wars. Pat McCoy, M.S. Addiction Psychology Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! =========================================== ________________________________ From: "thomasecw@aol.com" <thomasecw@aol.com> To: hesse@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 10:33:47 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions Tough to claim you are NOT of German ancestry if you are from Kansas, USA. My maternal grandfather (Benjamin WEIZACHER / WADSACK) burned his excess wheat (that which his family could not eat) rather than sell it to US markets for fear it would feed US soldiers who were fighting his countrymen. One of his cousins was Ernst VON WEIZACHER, a fairly high ranking officer in the Nazi military. His son, Richard, successfully defended him at the Nuremburg trials at the close of the war. Later, Richard was elected Mayor of West Berlin and then president of West Germany (died just a few years ago)...served with Chancellor Kohl (sp?). Kind of depends on where you lived in the USA during the war as to what kind of ridiculing you faced! - Tom W. -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Cunningham <drybones@netreach.net> To: mmongoose@tds.net; hesse@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:37 pm Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions On the other hand, as a fifth grader in 1944, I was given a lot of grief or being a Nazi, because I was the only one in the class who admitted o German ancestry. (The kid named Mueller sitting in front of me laimed she was Dutch). My mother's maiden name was Fuehrer, so I could ot very well get around it. I am also 3/4 German. My father's randfather came over about 1869, his mother in 1890 or so, and the uehrer relatives in 1885. None of the Fuehrers changed their names - y grandfather used to complain "That man stole my name!" Elizabeth C mmongoose wrote: As a person with 75% German ancestry, I totally agree that many of them had embraced their adopted country (perhaps Generations back ) and were embarrassed at what what was going on in the united Germany. German was dropped from the schools in Evansville Indiana where I was born and which had many German settlers. My father decided that we were now from Alsace - tho even as a young child I never accepted for a moment. We were from LOTS of places in what was called at one tine or another the Palatine, Rhenish Bavaria ... or a number of small states which frequently changed rulers through marriage or being otherwise attached to a more powerful neighbors. Many of my ancestors lived near Alzey in what looked like walking distance on the inadequate map I had -- but they were were lines who then officially lived in totally different governing districts - (Including KircheimBolandan) and some didnt meet until they reached Indiana. I am most proud of those Germans who came just before the civil war -- may to avoid military service in their homeland == adopted their new country and served their new country voluntarily. When Lincoln realized that it was going to be a long one, added to his calls for men to serve a few months to 3 years and many Germans insisted in those companies. When I heard that my Great Granddad had come home on furlough - gotten married = and interestedly, I was shocked that the honeymoon was over so soon. It was a long time before I got the timing straight. It was 1864 when Lincoln was running against McClellan who was promising to end the war - which was not going well in the east - He seemed unlikely to win - and worse, those 3 year soldiers were at the end of their enlistment time.... But, as someone put it -- those vets -- including my granddad who was with Sherman - Reenlisted - got their furlough voted for Lincoln (and got married like GrandPo -) and went back to finish the job. (By the way when they asked him how he survived the march through Georgia he said he hid behind a tree. Feigel Elzer Rimstidt Griess (Converted to Gryce by an uncle) Maier Schneider Decker Dietrich ..Bretz .. and a bunch more in Hesse Rhenish Bavaria and - including the soutn and all those families south west and NORTH of Alsey Pat McCoy wrote: > Just my perception (based on what I heard > my German-descended relatives speak about): > > If the fairy story was being told during the period(s) > in our history where anti-German sentiment was > extremely high, that story might have probably > been told out of fear of being attacked for "being > German" and self-preservation. Just my half-cent's > worth of opinion, (FWIW). > > Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! > ================================================= ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My great uncle, Arthur Zwicki, of German/Swiss heritage, served proudly in WWI and was gassed in France, cutting his life short. My father, Kenneth Mueller, served proudly in WWII, Korea, and Vietnam. Dad told me that during WWII there were some issues with those of German heritage, but none that he personally experienced. My dad's parents were first generation in this country and his grandparents (maternal - Swiss/German, paternal - German) were extremely happy to be in America and never mentioned any form of poor treatment. They were all in St. Louis, Missouri. In a message dated 3/29/2011 8:50:54 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, brian@amason.net writes: You know people often neglect what they think are little details, which on later inspection prove to be crucial to forming an accurate picture or hypothesis. Details like "My German ancestors settled in Washington D.C., and they had nothing but troubles during WWI & II.". Go figure, people with German accents and/or names being under suspicion at a time of war, against Germany, in the nation's capital. I'd be just as shocked to hear the same story for residents of Norfolk, VA (major Naval station). ;') Brian

Hello to John BEST, I have BEST family from Hesse. I live in Cincinnati. Care to trade imfo? Jim Rettig ******* One of my gg grandfathers came over from Hesse in 1848 probably to avoid the ivil war in germany. He was a shoemaker and settled with family in Ohio. uring the Civil War he fought with the 8th Ohio Volunteer Cavalry in irginia and was captured and released in a prisoner exchange. John Best

You may want to check on the internment of Germans, German-Americans, and Italians during WW2. Some were not released until 1946. Some deserved it because of the Bund. -------------------------------------------------- From: <brian@amason.net> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:58 AM To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions > You know people often neglect what they think are little details, which on > later inspection prove to be crucial to forming an accurate picture or > hypothesis. > > Details like "My German ancestors settled in Washington D.C., and they had > nothing but troubles during WWI & II.". > > Go figure, people with German accents and/or names being under suspicion > at a time of war, against Germany, in the nation's capital. I'd be just as > shocked to hear the same story for residents of Norfolk, VA (major Naval > station). > > ;') > Brian > > On Tue, March 29, 2011 6:41 am, Pat McCoy wrote: >> My German relatives lived in the D.C. area so >> that may have been a factor in the kind of grief >> they got during both World Wars. >> >> Pat McCoy, M.S. >> >> Addiction Psychology >> >> Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! > Enjoy my Garden? You sir have a very warped idea of relaxation! > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

No. Mine settled in Illinois. -----Original Message----- From: Pat McCoy <p.a.mccoy@att.net> To: hesse@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:41:45 -0700 (PDT) My German relatives lived in the D.C. area so that may have been a factor in the kind of grief they got during both World Wars. Pat McCoy, M.S. Addiction Psychology Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! =========================================== ________________________________ From: "thomasecw@aol.com" <thomasecw@aol.com> To: hesse@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 10:33:47 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions Tough to claim you are NOT of German ancestry if you are from Kansas, USA. My maternal grandfather (Benjamin WEIZACHER / WADSACK) burned his excess wheat (that which his family could not eat) rather than sell it to US markets for fear it would feed US soldiers who were fighting his countrymen. One of his cousins was Ernst VON WEIZACHER, a fairly high ranking officer in the Nazi military. His son, Richard, successfully defended him at the Nuremburg trials at the close of the war. Later, Richard was elected Mayor of West Berlin and then president of West Germany (died just a few years ago)...served with Chancellor Kohl (sp?). Kind of depends on where you lived in the USA during the war as to what kind of ridiculing you faced! - Tom W. -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Cunningham <drybones@netreach.net> To: mmongoose@tds.net; hesse@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:37 pm Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions On the other hand, as a fifth grader in 1944, I was given a lot of grief or being a Nazi, because I was the only one in the class who admitted o German ancestry. (The kid named Mueller sitting in front of me laimed she was Dutch). My mother's maiden name was Fuehrer, so I could ot very well get around it. I am also 3/4 German. My father's randfather came over about 1869, his mother in 1890 or so, and the uehrer relatives in 1885. None of the Fuehrers changed their names - y grandfather used to complain "That man stole my name!" Elizabeth C mmongoose wrote: As a person with 75% German ancestry, I totally agree that many of them had embraced their adopted country (perhaps Generations back ) and were embarrassed at what what was going on in the united Germany. German was dropped from the schools in Evansville Indiana where I was born and which had many German settlers. My father decided that we were now from Alsace - tho even as a young child I never accepted for a moment. We were from LOTS of places in what was called at one tine or another the Palatine, Rhenish Bavaria ... or a number of small states which frequently changed rulers through marriage or being otherwise attached to a more powerful neighbors. Many of my ancestors lived near Alzey in what looked like walking distance on the inadequate map I had -- but they were were lines who then officially lived in totally different governing districts - (Including KircheimBolandan) and some didnt meet until they reached Indiana. I am most proud of those Germans who came just before the civil war -- may to avoid military service in their homeland == adopted their new country and served their new country voluntarily. When Lincoln realized that it was going to be a long one, added to his calls for men to serve a few months to 3 years and many Germans insisted in those companies. When I heard that my Great Granddad had come home on furlough - gotten married = and interestedly, I was shocked that the honeymoon was over so soon. It was a long time before I got the timing straight. It was 1864 when Lincoln was running against McClellan who was promising to end the war - which was not going well in the east - He seemed unlikely to win - and worse, those 3 year soldiers were at the end of their enlistment time.... But, as someone put it -- those vets -- including my granddad who was with Sherman - Reenlisted - got their furlough voted for Lincoln (and got married like GrandPo -) and went back to finish the job. (By the way when they asked him how he survived the march through Georgia he said he hid behind a tree. Feigel Elzer Rimstidt Griess (Converted to Gryce by an uncle) Maier Schneider Decker Dietrich ..Bretz .. and a bunch more in Hesse Rhenish Bavaria and - including the soutn and all those families south west and NORTH of Alsey Pat McCoy wrote: > Just my perception (based on what I heard > my German-descended relatives speak about): > > If the fairy story was being told during the period(s) > in our history where anti-German sentiment was > extremely high, that story might have probably > been told out of fear of being attacked for "being > German" and self-preservation. Just my half-cent's > worth of opinion, (FWIW). > > Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! > ================================================= ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

One of my Ohio Leffel cousins (long dead) was married to a Raymond S. Kurtz (also deceased, son of a G. W. Kurtz, who lived in same location, nothing more known about him). Just interested to see if there might have been a "marital" connection to this line. Raymond Kurtz had a wife with surname Mock. Janet