Known as The War of Rebellion in the Great Lakes area.

Kim -- Nice URL and nice topic! This is the 150th anniversary of the Civil War. Let's talk about it. It is fair to say that the German-American component of the United States of America stands out precisely for the fact that it doesn't stand out. There is exactly one exception, but it is a big exception. The US Civil War. The event that made us who we are. If I were to use the expression, "the German-American vote" in a sentence, everyone on HESSE would probably just laugh. But, historians are quite aware that the German Americans were the "pivot point" around which the US Civil War turned. The forty-eighter's, those Germans who came to the US in the decade or so after the failed revolutions of 1848, were politicaly different than the Hessians who stayed after the Revolutionary War or the religious minorities like the Mnenonites or Amish who had arrived on these shores before. Slavery was anathema to the forty-eighter's. It was an abomination. As a group, the forty-eighter's could not stomach it. They had escaped something that was uncomfortably too close slavery in Germany. They voted for Lincoln in droves. And Lincoln knew where his support lay. He secretly purchased a German language newspaper. The German-American vote put Lincoln over the top and represented his margin of victory. We all know that once Lincoln was elected, the slave states seceded one after the other. Germans were grossly over-represented in the Union Army as compared to their proportion in the general population. This thread could go on and on. We could talk about the XI Corps at Chancellorsville and how they were betrayed by their officers and flummoxed by Stonewall Jackson. We could continue with their redemption at Lookout Mountain. I have a Hessian great great grandfather who fought in the 27th Connecticut Volunteer Infantry Regiment, while two of his brothers were in the 81st Pennsylvania Volunteer Infantry. Another of my great great grandfathers, albeit a Wurtemburger, was in the Union Navy, and a third (from Schlesien) was in the 12th New York Cavalry. I bet we could generate 100 emails on the topic of Hessian ancestors in the Civil War... Who says that history is boring? History lives! __________________________________________________________________ Charles Hofacker: My <http://myweb.fsu.edu/chofacker> FSU<http://myweb.fsu.edu/chofacker> Page <http://myweb.fsu.edu/chofacker> | Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/chofack> | Delicious <http://www.delicious.com/chofack> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/chofack> <http://twitter.com/chofack> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 19:10, Kim Allison Ross <slimkim@gci.net> wrote: > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German-Americans_in_the_Civil_War > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

On Mar 31, 2011, at 9:23 PM, Kim Allison Ross wrote: > > My Schuchmann's are also from Hesse-Darmstadt-Pfungstadt area. A neighbor! Perhaps we should compare names. See anything familiar here? http://sakionline.net/familypage/earlyschuchmanns.shtml Or here? http://sakionline.net/familypage/schuchmann.pdf Regards, Debra MacLaughlan-Dumes http://sakionline.net/familypage

On Mar 31, 2011, at 7:14 PM, Charles Hofacker wrote: > Slavery was anathema to the forty-eighter's. It was an abomination. As a > group, the forty-eighter's could not stomach it. ...Except for those Forty-Eighters who lived in the South. :-) In Charleston, where three branches of my German ancestors emigrated (two, Shuchmann and Dressel, from Hesse-Darmstadt, one, Jatho, from Hannover), they were participants in various ways in what some folks in the South still call "The Late Unpleasantness." None of the children of Georg Wilhelm Jatho (who emigrated in 1848) were old enough to serve. G.W. himself was too old to join up, having been born in 1824. But the family still talks about a story that involves him burying treasure from his watchmaker's shop in the front garden to avoid having Union soldiers find and confiscate it. Whether this really happened is another story entirely. My great-great-grandmother's brother, Philipp Schuchmann, who emigrated around 1845, was in the German Fusiliers in Charleston and served in the Confederate army for four years. His father's business was a haberdashery shop on King Street in Charleston. They made buttons for military uniforms stamped with his name, an example of which can be seen at http://sakionline.net/familypage/schuchmann.shtml . Philipp's mother, Marie Dressel Schuchmann, made patriotic flags for the local Charleston regiments. They're described prettily here from the Charleston Mercury newspaper: http://sakionline.net/familypage/schuckmannflags.pdf My parents were born in Chicago and I was born in Southern California, so it was rather a surprise to me -- and still rather hard to accept -- that my Hessian ancestors supported the Confederacy. But it's our history. Regards, Debra MacLaughlan-Dumes http://sakionline.bet/familypage

Charles, Most interesting! My g-grandfather came in 1849, 9 years old, and settled in Baltimore. He fought for the Union in the three-month-troops, and literally ended his service after three months. What I found fascinating is his return to Germany in 1862, actually obtained a passport for the trip, stayed three years, found a girl to marry in Switzerland, and came home in 1865. Susan Sent from my iPhone On Mar 31, 2011, at 7:14 PM, Charles Hofacker <chofack@gmail.com> wrote: > Kim -- > > Nice URL and nice topic! This is the 150th anniversary of the Civil War. > Let's talk about it. > > It is fair to say that the German-American component of the United States of > America stands out precisely for the fact that it doesn't stand out. There > is exactly one exception, but it is a big exception. The US Civil War. The > event that made us who we are. If I were to use the expression, "the > German-American vote" in a sentence, everyone on HESSE would probably just > laugh. But, historians are quite aware that the German Americans were the > "pivot point" around which the US Civil War turned. > > The forty-eighter's, those Germans who came to the US in the decade or so > after the failed revolutions of 1848, were politicaly different than the > Hessians who stayed after the Revolutionary War or the religious minorities > like the Mnenonites or Amish who had arrived on these shores before. > > Slavery was anathema to the forty-eighter's. It was an abomination. As a > group, the forty-eighter's could not stomach it. > > They had escaped something that was uncomfortably too close slavery in > Germany. They voted for Lincoln in droves. And Lincoln knew where his > support lay. He secretly purchased a German language newspaper. The > German-American vote put Lincoln over the top and represented his margin of > victory. We all know that once Lincoln was elected, the slave states > seceded one after the other. > > Germans were grossly over-represented in the Union Army as compared to their > proportion in the general population. > > This thread could go on and on. We could talk about the XI Corps at > Chancellorsville and how they were betrayed by their officers and flummoxed > by Stonewall Jackson. We could continue with their redemption at Lookout > Mountain. > > I have a Hessian great great grandfather who fought in the 27th Connecticut > Volunteer Infantry Regiment, while two of his brothers were in the 81st > Pennsylvania Volunteer Infantry. Another of my great great grandfathers, > albeit a Wurtemburger, was in the Union Navy, and a third (from Schlesien) > was in the 12th New York Cavalry. > > I bet we could generate 100 emails on the topic of Hessian ancestors in the > Civil War... > > Who says that history is boring? History lives! > __________________________________________________________________ > Charles Hofacker: My <http://myweb.fsu.edu/chofacker> > FSU<http://myweb.fsu.edu/chofacker> > Page <http://myweb.fsu.edu/chofacker> | > Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/chofack> > | Delicious <http://www.delicious.com/chofack> | > Twitter<http://twitter.com/chofack> > <http://twitter.com/chofack> > > > > On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 19:10, Kim Allison Ross <slimkim@gci.net> wrote: > >> >> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German-Americans_in_the_Civil_War >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My Schuchmann's are also from Hesse-Darmstadt-Pfungstadt area. -----Original Message----- From: D.L. MacLaughlan-Dumes <dmac@physics.ucla.edu> Debra MacLaughlan-Dumes http://sakionline.bet/familypage

AMEN! Do you all hear the applause on this one? Perhaps that explains why my Alzey/Hesse-Darmstadt Gr-Gr-grandfather (arrived in 1837 at 9 years old) did not appear for roll call in his Louisiana Militia Confederate Army roll-call! Kathy San Andreas, California From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Charles Hofacker Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 7:14 PM To: hesse@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HESSE] German-Americans in the Civil War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Kim -- Nice URL and nice topic! This is the 150th anniversary of the Civil War. Let's talk about it. It is fair to say that the German-American component of the United States of America stands out precisely for the fact that it doesn't stand out. There is exactly one exception, but it is a big exception. The US Civil War. The event that made us who we are. If I were to use the expression, "the German-American vote" in a sentence, everyone on HESSE would probably just laugh. But, historians are quite aware that the German Americans were the "pivot point" around which the US Civil War turned. The forty-eighter's, those Germans who came to the US in the decade or so after the failed revolutions of 1848, were politicaly different than the Hessians who stayed after the Revolutionary War or the religious minorities like the Mnenonites or Amish who had arrived on these shores before. Slavery was anathema to the forty-eighter's. It was an abomination. As a group, the forty-eighter's could not stomach it. They had escaped something that was uncomfortably too close slavery in Germany. They voted for Lincoln in droves. And Lincoln knew where his support lay. He secretly purchased a German language newspaper. The German-American vote put Lincoln over the top and represented his margin of victory. We all know that once Lincoln was elected, the slave states seceded one after the other. Germans were grossly over-represented in the Union Army as compared to their proportion in the general population. This thread could go on and on. We could talk about the XI Corps at Chancellorsville and how they were betrayed by their officers and flummoxed by Stonewall Jackson. We could continue with their redemption at Lookout Mountain. I have a Hessian great great grandfather who fought in the 27th Connecticut Volunteer Infantry Regiment, while two of his brothers were in the 81st Pennsylvania Volunteer Infantry. Another of my great great grandfathers, albeit a Wurtemburger, was in the Union Navy, and a third (from Schlesien) was in the 12th New York Cavalry. I bet we could generate 100 emails on the topic of Hessian ancestors in the Civil War... Who says that history is boring? History lives! __________________________________________________________________ Charles Hofacker: My <http://myweb.fsu.edu/chofacker> FSU<http://myweb.fsu.edu/chofacker> Page <http://myweb.fsu.edu/chofacker> | Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/chofack> | Delicious <http://www.delicious.com/chofack> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/chofack> <http://twitter.com/chofack> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 19:10, Kim Allison Ross <slimkim@gci.net> wrote: > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German-Americans_in_the_Civil_War > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3543 - Release Date: 03/31/11

I am so tired of replies without changing the subject line that I am hereafter deleting all "Jumping to Conclusions" subjects as they seem to be meaningless and I get lots of spam that is almost as interesting. Charles S In a message dated 3/31/2011 5:33:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, drybones@netreach.net writes: I think part of it was that they were trying to leave the "old country" behind. My father was proud that his father had been born here (of German immigrants) while his mother was an immigrant from Wuerttemberg. She never spoke English very well, I understand. Now it is sort of okay to keep your language and teach it to children, but it was not when I was a child. Everybody seemed to want to be totally American. I am 76, but do not know how far back the wanting to be American went. My mother's father, from Hesse in 1885, tried to leave his German behind also. With a name like Fuehrer, it might have been harder. Elizabeth C Kathy Cochran wrote: > I always hated history in school. The way it was taught, it was so dry, and > it may have had something to do with a couple of really bad (or so I > thought) teachers. UNTIL I took "The Social History of the US to 1865" at > UCLA. I was MESMERIZED and then it started coming to life! But you're so > right, it was so "white-washed" that there wasn't anything left of any > "color" to learn about. The internet has certainly opened things up for new > information, hasn't it? Now I want to find a book about why the > German-Americans so often swept their German heritage under the rug. I > understand about WWI& WWII, but my Germans came to the US in 1837 and > earlier, and one branch even changed their name from Reiss to Rice! And > that seems to be the branch that fostered the "fairy story" that we were > from Alsace-Lorraine, instead of from Alzey, Hesse-Darmstadt. > > > > Kathy C > > > > From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Elizabeth Cunningham > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:33 AM > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions > > > > I never heard about it either. On the other hand, one of the teachers > at my children's school pointed out that a tavern in the neighborhood, > still fairly raucous, was the local headquarters for the Bund. I did > not live here then, so this is second-hand information. Interestingly > enough, that particular 3 blocks is now mostly black. I wonder what the > Bund would have thought? > > Elizabeth C > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think part of it was that they were trying to leave the "old country" behind. My father was proud that his father had been born here (of German immigrants) while his mother was an immigrant from Wuerttemberg. She never spoke English very well, I understand. Now it is sort of okay to keep your language and teach it to children, but it was not when I was a child. Everybody seemed to want to be totally American. I am 76, but do not know how far back the wanting to be American went. My mother's father, from Hesse in 1885, tried to leave his German behind also. With a name like Fuehrer, it might have been harder. Elizabeth C Kathy Cochran wrote: > I always hated history in school. The way it was taught, it was so dry, and > it may have had something to do with a couple of really bad (or so I > thought) teachers. UNTIL I took "The Social History of the US to 1865" at > UCLA. I was MESMERIZED and then it started coming to life! But you're so > right, it was so "white-washed" that there wasn't anything left of any > "color" to learn about. The internet has certainly opened things up for new > information, hasn't it? Now I want to find a book about why the > German-Americans so often swept their German heritage under the rug. I > understand about WWI& WWII, but my Germans came to the US in 1837 and > earlier, and one branch even changed their name from Reiss to Rice! And > that seems to be the branch that fostered the "fairy story" that we were > from Alsace-Lorraine, instead of from Alzey, Hesse-Darmstadt. > > > > Kathy C > > > > From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Elizabeth Cunningham > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:33 AM > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions > > > > I never heard about it either. On the other hand, one of the teachers > at my children's school pointed out that a tavern in the neighborhood, > still fairly raucous, was the local headquarters for the Bund. I did > not live here then, so this is second-hand information. Interestingly > enough, that particular 3 blocks is now mostly black. I wonder what the > Bund would have thought? > > Elizabeth C >

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German-Americans_in_the_Civil_War

What about it ? German only, you will have to WORK for the info !!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobbi" <bobbidoll@optonline.net> To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] www.volksbund.de > http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.volksbund.de%2F > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kim Allison Ross" > To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> > Sent: 31 March, 2011 12:17 PM > Subject: Re: [HESSE] www.volksbund.de > > >> What about an English version? >> >> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:43:41 -0400 >> >> >> There is an excellent German website for finding German military dead; >> www.volksbund.de for Gabernachweis des Volksbundes Deutsche >> Kriegsgraeberfuersorge e.V. They have helped me locate several of the >> above mention German soldiers and continue to search for the missing >> ones. >> >> Kim Ross (granddaughter of an emigree from Reichenbach) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

My mothers family came to the US in 1833 to 1850. They settled in a German Catholic area in the mid to north western area of Ohio, where everyone spoke German. My uncle who was born in 1911 did not speak English until he went to grade school. During world war II German agents came down thru Canada and tried to gain support from the people, thinking that if they were German speaking, they would support them. They go no support here. The people might speak German, but they were 100% American. My husband's mother's family is from Hesse Cassel and Hesse Darmstadt. Maria Margaretha WOLF was born in Salmuenster, Hesse Cassel in 6 Nov 1818. Her sister was Anna Magdalina WOLF born 16 Jul 1836, and brother William WOLF born 18 Apr 1834. Adam KAMMERER was born 28 Oct 1836, in Hesse Darmstadt. His last name may have originally had an umlaut over the A. They came to Cincinnati first, and then came to Dayton, Ohio. William went on to Ft. Loramie, Ohio. I have not found birth records for them yet. Good luck to everyone with their searches. I have found the stories very interesting. Terry Staub Dayton Ohio In a message dated 3/31/2011 8:46:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, raygun33@optonline.net writes: My wife and I have/had cousins who fought in both WW1 & WW2 on both sides of each conflict. The ones who served Kaiser Wilhelm in WW1 were either killed or captured in France. The slain ones are interred in German Military cemeteries, the captured one spent the War in a British POW camp on The Isle of Man. He eventually emigrated to The US of A. His German born son was in the German American Bund band (1936-7) and spent summers at Camp Siegfried in Yaphank, NY. He was drafted in WW2 and served in The Pacific Theatre. I have a photo of 3 German-American cousins when they all met in the Philippines in 1945. My wife has 3 German cousins who served in the Wehrmacht in WW2. One was killed. one captured by the Soviets and released in 1950, and one missing in action in Eastern Germany and never found. There is an excellent German website for finding German military dead; www.volksbund.de for Gabernachweis des Volksbundes Deutsche Kriegsgraeberfuersorge e.V. They have helped me locate several of the above mention German soldiers and continue to search for the missing ones. Ray Gunther (grandson of an emigree from Altenhasungen) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.volksbund.de%2F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Allison Ross" To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> Sent: 31 March, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] www.volksbund.de > What about an English version? > > Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:43:41 -0400 > > > There is an excellent German website for finding German military dead; > www.volksbund.de for Gabernachweis des Volksbundes Deutsche > Kriegsgraeberfuersorge e.V. They have helped me locate several of the > above mention German soldiers and continue to search for the missing ones. > > Kim Ross (granddaughter of an emigree from Reichenbach)

I never heard about it either. On the other hand, one of the teachers at my children's school pointed out that a tavern in the neighborhood, still fairly raucous, was the local headquarters for the Bund. I did not live here then, so this is second-hand information. Interestingly enough, that particular 3 blocks is now mostly black. I wonder what the Bund would have thought? Elizabeth C Pat McCoy wrote: > I agree that this was NEVER mentioned > when I was attending school! > > Pat McCoy, M.S. > > Addiction Psychology > > Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! > ============================================= > > > ________________________________ > From: "brian@amason.net"<brian@amason.net> > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 1:01:13 AM > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions > > The first part would be correct; > Bund = American Nazi Party. Or rather the closest thing to it, or Nazi > Party sympathizers. > There really wasn't a per se Nazi Party in America. The Bund was > led by a Hitler wannabe, and he even managed to get a picture taken with > him in 1936. > > The other one was some Soviet thing. > > Lots of stuff they never teach in school. > > Brian > > On Wed, March 30, 2011 10:11 am, Pat McCoy wrote: > >> When I Googled "the Bund", I found references >> to the American Nazi Party and Jewish Slave >> Labor. >> >> Pat McCoy, M.S. >> >> Addiction Psychology >> >> Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! >> ================================================ >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Tilman Ochs<christel.ochs@t-online.de> >> To: hesse@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 10:46:06 AM >> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions >> >> Excuse my question. What was the Bund? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Walter Korndoerfer"<wckkorn@hotmail.com> >> To:<hesse@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 7:34 PM >> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions >> >> >> >>> You may want to check on the internment of Germans, German-Americans, >>> and >>> Italians during WW2. Some were not released until 1946. Some deserved it >>> because of the Bund. >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From:<brian@amason.net> >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:58 AM >>> To:<hesse@rootsweb.com> >>> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions >>> >>> >>>> You know people often neglect what they think are little details, which >>>> on >>>> later inspection prove to be crucial to forming an accurate picture or >>>> hypothesis. >>>> >>>> Details like "My German ancestors settled in Washington D.C., and they >>>> had >>>> nothing but troubles during WWI& II.". >>>> >>>> Go figure, people with German accents and/or names being under >>>> suspicion >>>> at a time of war, against Germany, in the nation's capital. I'd be just >>>> as >>>> shocked to hear the same story for residents of Norfolk, VA (major >>>> Naval >>>> station). >>>> >>>> ;') >>>> Brian >>>> >>>> On Tue, March 29, 2011 6:41 am, Pat McCoy wrote: >>>> >>>>> My German relatives lived in the D.C. area so >>>>> that may have been a factor in the kind of grief >>>>> they got during both World Wars. >>>>> >>>>> Pat McCoy, M.S. >>>>> >>>>> Addiction Psychology >>>>> >>>>> Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! >>>>> >>>> Enjoy my Garden? You sir have a very warped idea of relaxation! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body >> of >> the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

I always hated history in school. The way it was taught, it was so dry, and it may have had something to do with a couple of really bad (or so I thought) teachers. UNTIL I took "The Social History of the US to 1865" at UCLA. I was MESMERIZED and then it started coming to life! But you're so right, it was so "white-washed" that there wasn't anything left of any "color" to learn about. The internet has certainly opened things up for new information, hasn't it? Now I want to find a book about why the German-Americans so often swept their German heritage under the rug. I understand about WWI & WWII, but my Germans came to the US in 1837 and earlier, and one branch even changed their name from Reiss to Rice! And that seems to be the branch that fostered the "fairy story" that we were from Alsace-Lorraine, instead of from Alzey, Hesse-Darmstadt. Kathy C From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Cunningham Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:33 AM To: hesse@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions I never heard about it either. On the other hand, one of the teachers at my children's school pointed out that a tavern in the neighborhood, still fairly raucous, was the local headquarters for the Bund. I did not live here then, so this is second-hand information. Interestingly enough, that particular 3 blocks is now mostly black. I wonder what the Bund would have thought? Elizabeth C Pat McCoy wrote: > I agree that this was NEVER mentioned > when I was attending school! > > Pat McCoy, M.S. > > Addiction Psychology > > Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! > ============================================= > > > ________________________________ > From: "brian@amason.net"<brian@amason.net> > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 1:01:13 AM > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions > > The first part would be correct; > Bund = American Nazi Party. Or rather the closest thing to it, or Nazi > Party sympathizers. > There really wasn't a per se Nazi Party in America. The Bund was > led by a Hitler wannabe, and he even managed to get a picture taken with > him in 1936. > > The other one was some Soviet thing. > > Lots of stuff they never teach in school. > > Brian > > On Wed, March 30, 2011 10:11 am, Pat McCoy wrote: > >> When I Googled "the Bund", I found references >> to the American Nazi Party and Jewish Slave >> Labor. >> >> Pat McCoy, M.S. >> >> Addiction Psychology >> >> Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! >> ================================================ >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Tilman Ochs<christel.ochs@t-online.de> >> To: hesse@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 10:46:06 AM >> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions >> >> Excuse my question. What was the Bund? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Walter Korndoerfer"<wckkorn@hotmail.com> >> To:<hesse@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 7:34 PM >> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions >> >> >> >>> You may want to check on the internment of Germans, German-Americans, >>> and >>> Italians during WW2. Some were not released until 1946. Some deserved it >>> because of the Bund. >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From:<brian@amason.net> >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:58 AM >>> To:<hesse@rootsweb.com> >>> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions >>> >>> >>>> You know people often neglect what they think are little details, which >>>> on >>>> later inspection prove to be crucial to forming an accurate picture or >>>> hypothesis. >>>> >>>> Details like "My German ancestors settled in Washington D.C., and they >>>> had >>>> nothing but troubles during WWI& II.". >>>> >>>> Go figure, people with German accents and/or names being under >>>> suspicion >>>> at a time of war, against Germany, in the nation's capital. I'd be just >>>> as >>>> shocked to hear the same story for residents of Norfolk, VA (major >>>> Naval >>>> station). >>>> >>>> ;') >>>> Brian >>>> >>>> On Tue, March 29, 2011 6:41 am, Pat McCoy wrote: >>>> >>>>> My German relatives lived in the D.C. area so >>>>> that may have been a factor in the kind of grief >>>>> they got during both World Wars. >>>>> >>>>> Pat McCoy, M.S. >>>>> >>>>> Addiction Psychology >>>>> >>>>> Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! >>>>> >>>> Enjoy my Garden? 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My wife and I have/had cousins who fought in both WW1 & WW2 on both sides of each conflict. The ones who served Kaiser Wilhelm in WW1 were either killed or captured in France. The slain ones are interred in German Military cemeteries, the captured one spent the War in a British POW camp on The Isle of Man. He eventually emigrated to The US of A. His German born son was in the German American Bund band (1936-7) and spent summers at Camp Siegfried in Yaphank, NY. He was drafted in WW2 and served in The Pacific Theatre. I have a photo of 3 German-American cousins when they all met in the Philippines in 1945. My wife has 3 German cousins who served in the Wehrmacht in WW2. One was killed. one captured by the Soviets and released in 1950, and one missing in action in Eastern Germany and never found. There is an excellent German website for finding German military dead; www.volksbund.de for Gabernachweis des Volksbundes Deutsche Kriegsgraeberfuersorge e.V. They have helped me locate several of the above mention German soldiers and continue to search for the missing ones. Ray Gunther (grandson of an emigree from Altenhasungen)

What about an English version? Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:43:41 -0400 There is an excellent German website for finding German military dead; www.volksbund.de for Gabernachweis des Volksbundes Deutsche Kriegsgraeberfuersorge e.V. They have helped me locate several of the above mention German soldiers and continue to search for the missing ones. Kim Ross (granddaughter of an emigree from Reichenbach)

I agree that this was NEVER mentioned when I was attending school! Pat McCoy, M.S. Addiction Psychology Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! ============================================= ________________________________ From: "brian@amason.net" <brian@amason.net> To: hesse@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 1:01:13 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions The first part would be correct; Bund = American Nazi Party. Or rather the closest thing to it, or Nazi Party sympathizers. There really wasn't a per se Nazi Party in America. The Bund was led by a Hitler wannabe, and he even managed to get a picture taken with him in 1936. The other one was some Soviet thing. Lots of stuff they never teach in school. Brian On Wed, March 30, 2011 10:11 am, Pat McCoy wrote: > When I Googled "the Bund", I found references > to the American Nazi Party and Jewish Slave > Labor. > > Pat McCoy, M.S. > > Addiction Psychology > > Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! > ================================================ > > > ________________________________ > From: Tilman Ochs <christel.ochs@t-online.de> > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 10:46:06 AM > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions > > Excuse my question. What was the Bund? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Walter Korndoerfer" <wckkorn@hotmail.com> > To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 7:34 PM > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions > > >> You may want to check on the internment of Germans, German-Americans, >> and >> Italians during WW2. Some were not released until 1946. Some deserved it >> because of the Bund. >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: <brian@amason.net> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:58 AM >> To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions >> >>> You know people often neglect what they think are little details, which >>> on >>> later inspection prove to be crucial to forming an accurate picture or >>> hypothesis. >>> >>> Details like "My German ancestors settled in Washington D.C., and they >>> had >>> nothing but troubles during WWI & II.". >>> >>> Go figure, people with German accents and/or names being under >>> suspicion >>> at a time of war, against Germany, in the nation's capital. I'd be just >>> as >>> shocked to hear the same story for residents of Norfolk, VA (major >>> Naval >>> station). >>> >>> ;') >>> Brian >>> >>> On Tue, March 29, 2011 6:41 am, Pat McCoy wrote: >>>> My German relatives lived in the D.C. area so >>>> that may have been a factor in the kind of grief >>>> they got during both World Wars. >>>> >>>> Pat McCoy, M.S. >>>> >>>> Addiction Psychology >>>> >>>> Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! >>> Enjoy my Garden? You sir have a very warped idea of relaxation! >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Your ancestor was lucky. Andersonville was the worst h-e-double-hockey-sticks hole in the Civil War. Nearly half of all the prisoners who wound up there never left. My wife has an ancestor who also survived Andersonville. By the date you give, that sounds pretty close to the date when that camp was liberated. I imagine a lot of German-Americans died there, and a lot of Irish-Americans died there. But you can bet not a single black man did. Brian On Wed, March 30, 2011 2:24 pm, Baskp0491@aol.com wrote: > Thanks to all who are sharing their German ancestors here in the USA. > My paternal grandmother's paternal grandfather was born in Hesse > Darmstadt Prussia in 1836, came to the States in 1861 and settled in > Wayne > County, Ohio. > He (Johan Friederick 'Fred' Appuhn) enlisted in McLaughlin's 16th > Infantry in June 1864. He was captured (October 1864) > during night picket duty in Decatur, AL. He spent the remainder of the > war in Andersonville.

The first part would be correct; Bund = American Nazi Party. Or rather the closest thing to it, or Nazi Party sympathizers. There really wasn't a per se Nazi Party in America. The Bund was led by a Hitler wannabe, and he even managed to get a picture taken with him in 1936. The other one was some Soviet thing. Lots of stuff they never teach in school. Brian On Wed, March 30, 2011 10:11 am, Pat McCoy wrote: > When I Googled "the Bund", I found references > to the American Nazi Party and Jewish Slave > Labor. > > Pat McCoy, M.S. > > Addiction Psychology > > Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! > ================================================ > > > ________________________________ > From: Tilman Ochs <christel.ochs@t-online.de> > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 10:46:06 AM > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions > > Excuse my question. What was the Bund? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Walter Korndoerfer" <wckkorn@hotmail.com> > To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 7:34 PM > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions > > >> You may want to check on the internment of Germans, German-Americans, >> and >> Italians during WW2. Some were not released until 1946. Some deserved it >> because of the Bund. >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: <brian@amason.net> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:58 AM >> To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions >> >>> You know people often neglect what they think are little details, which >>> on >>> later inspection prove to be crucial to forming an accurate picture or >>> hypothesis. >>> >>> Details like "My German ancestors settled in Washington D.C., and they >>> had >>> nothing but troubles during WWI & II.". >>> >>> Go figure, people with German accents and/or names being under >>> suspicion >>> at a time of war, against Germany, in the nation's capital. I'd be just >>> as >>> shocked to hear the same story for residents of Norfolk, VA (major >>> Naval >>> station). >>> >>> ;') >>> Brian >>> >>> On Tue, March 29, 2011 6:41 am, Pat McCoy wrote: >>>> My German relatives lived in the D.C. area so >>>> that may have been a factor in the kind of grief >>>> they got during both World Wars. >>>> >>>> Pat McCoy, M.S. >>>> >>>> Addiction Psychology >>>> >>>> Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! >>> Enjoy my Garden? You sir have a very warped idea of relaxation! >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >