Thank you Bobbi, Kim, and Pat, for your suggestions. I know just about all I need on my great grandfather from 1849-1862, then 1865-his death, all here in the U.S. What I'm wondering is, other than a marriage record in 1865 Zug, Switzerland (which I don't have), are there any suggestions on tracing his movements in Germany and Switzerland during that 3 year stay? He became a US citizen through his father's naturalization, and I'm pretty certain he never attempted to become a citizen elsewhere. It's tough figuring out what he was doing those three years. Susan Sent from my iPhone On Apr 2, 2011, at 2:31 PM, Pat McCoy <p.a.mccoy@att.net> wrote: > There might be passenger lists at the National > Archives in Washington, D.C. > > Pat McCoy, M.S. > > Addiction Psychology > > Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! > ================================================= > > > ________________________________ > From: Kim Allison Ross <slimkim@gci.net> > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 4:04:19 PM > Subject: Re: [HESSE] German-Americans in the Civil War - Wikipedia, the free > encyclope... > > What about immigration/travel/port records? I know this was before > Ellis Island. Where would he of left from anyway. Baltimore? New > York? How does one find those records? > > > > > My great grandfather came from Arnshain, Hesse-Darmstadt. I think > anything our Hesse immigrants did here after immigration qualifies for > discussion on this list. He returned to Germany in 1862, and for some > reason made his way to Switzerland and married in 1865. I wish figuring > out how that came to be were as simple as tracking censuses for the > bride's family, whose given names we don't know. > Because he was there for about 3 years, does anyone think there is any > sort of document I might find him on in that little time? > > Susan > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Try using Google and searching for "Ship Lists". One of the better ones is: www.immigrantships.net This site can be searched by name, date, ship name. The Google search will turn up quite a few other sites. Jerry Dittman Boonsboro, MD From: Kim Allison Ross <slimkim@gci.net> To: hesse@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 4:04:19 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] German-Americans in the Civil War - Wikipedia, the free encyclope... What about immigration/travel/port records? I know this was before Ellis Island. Where would he of left from anyway. Baltimore? New York? How does one find those records? My great grandfather came from Arnshain, Hesse-Darmstadt. I think anything our Hesse immigrants did here after immigration qualifies for discussion on this list. He returned to Germany in 1862, and for some reason made his way to Switzerland and married in 1865. I wish figuring out how that came to be were as simple as tracking censuses for the bride's family, whose given names we don't know. Because he was there for about 3 years, does anyone think there is any sort of document I might find him on in that little time? Susan > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of > the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

There might be passenger lists at the National Archives in Washington, D.C. Pat McCoy, M.S. Addiction Psychology Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! ================================================= ________________________________ From: Kim Allison Ross <slimkim@gci.net> To: hesse@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 4:04:19 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] German-Americans in the Civil War - Wikipedia, the free encyclope... What about immigration/travel/port records? I know this was before Ellis Island. Where would he of left from anyway. Baltimore? New York? How does one find those records? My great grandfather came from Arnshain, Hesse-Darmstadt. I think anything our Hesse immigrants did here after immigration qualifies for discussion on this list. He returned to Germany in 1862, and for some reason made his way to Switzerland and married in 1865. I wish figuring out how that came to be were as simple as tracking censuses for the bride's family, whose given names we don't know. Because he was there for about 3 years, does anyone think there is any sort of document I might find him on in that little time? Susan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Susan, Why not see if he filled out a Declaration of Intention? He might have done so, and then decided against following through. If he was here in 1860, you might try the Census. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Curelopp" To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> Sent: 02 April, 2011 3:32 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] German-Americans in the Civil War - Wikipedia,the free encyclope... >I have to disagree Raymond. I've read each story and found none to be >"inane drivel," rather an inspiration to keep hunting, and new ideas on >going about it. > > My great grandfather came from Arnshain, Hesse-Darmstadt. I think > anything our Hesse immigrants did here after immigration qualifies for > discussion on this list. He returned to Germany in 1862, and for some > reason made his way to Switzerland and married in 1865. I wish figuring > out how that came to be were as simple as tracking censuses for the > bride's family, whose given names we don't know. > > Because he was there for about 3 years, does anyone think there is any > sort of document I might find him on in that little time? > > Susan

What about immigration/travel/port records? I know this was before Ellis Island. Where would he of left from anyway. Baltimore? New York? How does one find those records? My great grandfather came from Arnshain, Hesse-Darmstadt. I think anything our Hesse immigrants did here after immigration qualifies for discussion on this list. He returned to Germany in 1862, and for some reason made his way to Switzerland and married in 1865. I wish figuring out how that came to be were as simple as tracking censuses for the bride's family, whose given names we don't know. Because he was there for about 3 years, does anyone think there is any sort of document I might find him on in that little time? Susan

I have to disagree Raymond. I've read each story and found none to be "inane drivel," rather an inspiration to keep hunting, and new ideas on going about it. My great grandfather came from Arnshain, Hesse-Darmstadt. I think anything our Hesse immigrants did here after immigration qualifies for discussion on this list. He returned to Germany in 1862, and for some reason made his way to Switzerland and married in 1865. I wish figuring out how that came to be were as simple as tracking censuses for the bride's family, whose given names we don't know. Because he was there for about 3 years, does anyone think there is any sort of document I might find him on in that little time? Susan Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2011, at 6:44 PM, "Raymond F. Gunther" <raygun33@optonline.net> wrote: > I agree that many civil war military records may provide some insight into > the origin of German veteran immigrants. But the inane drivel that too many > of the contributors to this website is more suitable to Tweeter or Facebook > and shouldn't be filling up my inbox ! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>

I agree that many civil war military records may provide some insight into the origin of German veteran immigrants. But the inane drivel that too many of the contributors to this website is more suitable to Tweeter or Facebook and shouldn't be filling up my inbox ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "W David Samuelsen" <dsam52@sampubco.com> To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] German-Americans in the Civil War - Wikipedia,the free encyclope... > PLENTY! Many of the Germans fought in this war on both sides and their > records will yield good tidbits where in Germany they were born in. > > David Samuelsen > list-admin > > Quoting "Raymond F. Gunther" <raygun33@optonline.net>: > >> So what does that have to do with Hesse Genealogical research ? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <REPKINGRON@aol.com> >> To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 6:54 PM >> Subject: Re: [HESSE] German-Americans in the Civil War - Wikipedia,the >> free >> encyclope... >> >> >>> >>> I have heard The Civil War called variously throughout nation The Civil >>> War, the The War of the Rebellion, The War of The Great Rebellion, The >>> War >>> Between The States, The Late Unpleasantness, and I think also the War >>> of >>> the Confederacy. The last two being terms found only in the South. >>> There >>> was another one some Deep Southerners use, but I can't remember it. >>> >>> --------- >>> >>> In the South. the Civil War was also called was the "Second War of >>> Independence". >>> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I'll check into the routes they took. That would seem to be the most logical. I do have his service records and there is no mention of any AWOL. Her family stayed put on the same land for many years. The counties changed around them, but to my knowledge they never moved. At one point, her father was a slave owner. I have often wondered about the tension at dinner between them!! My gggrandparents moved away from her family, further west in Missouri... I sure wish I had known all this while my great grandfather was still alive, though I suspect he didn't have much knowledge of these things. At least he didn't tell my Aunt anything about this. Thank you for your suggestions. I will do some digging and see if I find out anything. I will share if I do!! Norma In a message dated 4/1/2011 12:38:58 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, brian@amason.net writes: If you figure that out, I love to hear about it. But perhaps he met her on his march through Arkansas and Missouri from September 17 to November 16, 1864. You have to look at more than just where the battles were fought. You have to track the routes they took. They have to stop once in a while to sleep and stock up. Do you have his service records? Did he ever go AWOL? Have you tracked her and her family's movements during the Civil War? Maybe they were part of a supply crew, or her father/brother were in a corps that fought with the 72nd. Any of his fellow soldier's moved there? Land grants after the war? Was her town along one of the westward trails? So many possibilities.

Thanks. In a message dated 4/1/2011 10:56:31 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jwr184@aol.com writes: The Ohio and Mississippi Rivers, Steamboats, The Great American West, his youthfullness.

PLENTY! Many of the Germans fought in this war on both sides and their records will yield good tidbits where in Germany they were born in. David Samuelsen list-admin Quoting "Raymond F. Gunther" <raygun33@optonline.net>: > So what does that have to do with Hesse Genealogical research ? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <REPKINGRON@aol.com> > To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 6:54 PM > Subject: Re: [HESSE] German-Americans in the Civil War - Wikipedia,the free > encyclope... > > >> >> I have heard The Civil War called variously throughout nation The Civil >> War, the The War of the Rebellion, The War of The Great Rebellion, The >> War >> Between The States, The Late Unpleasantness, and I think also the War of >> the Confederacy. The last two being terms found only in the South. There >> was another one some Deep Southerners use, but I can't remember it. >> >> --------- >> >> In the South. the Civil War was also called was the "Second War of >> Independence". >>

So what does that have to do with Hesse Genealogical research ? ----- Original Message ----- From: <REPKINGRON@aol.com> To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] German-Americans in the Civil War - Wikipedia,the free encyclope... > > I have heard The Civil War called variously throughout nation The Civil > War, the The War of the Rebellion, The War of The Great Rebellion, The > War > Between The States, The Late Unpleasantness, and I think also the War of > the Confederacy. The last two being terms found only in the South. There > was another one some Deep Southerners use, but I can't remember it. > > --------- > > In the South. the Civil War was also called was the "Second War of > Independence". > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I have heard The Civil War called variously throughout nation The Civil War, the The War of the Rebellion, The War of The Great Rebellion, The War Between The States, The Late Unpleasantness, and I think also the War of the Confederacy. The last two being terms found only in the South. There was another one some Deep Southerners use, but I can't remember it. --------- In the South. the Civil War was also called was the "Second War of Independence".

Many Germans + Huguenots (Waldenser) were in Morrow/Marion Co.,OH and went to Kansas plus other states out West.. They fallowed each other and some stayed back..You can fallow them via the Censuses ect. and they did mention it also. -----Original Message----- From: Nlment <Nlment@aol.com> To: hesse <hesse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Apr 1, 2011 1:40 pm Subject: Re: [HESSE] German-Americans in the Civil War - Wikipedia, the free encyclope... My great great Grandfather from Markgröningen, Wuerttemberg, Germany served in the 72nd Ohio Regiment. I've checked their battles and can't figure ut how he went from Ohio to finding my great great grandmother in Cooper ounty, Missouri after the war. But they did find each other. Does anyone ave any insight into things like this? ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

If you figure that out, I love to hear about it. But perhaps he met her on his march through Arkansas and Missouri from September 17 to November 16, 1864. You have to look at more than just where the battles were fought. You have to track the routes they took. They have to stop once in a while to sleep and stock up. Do you have his service records? Did he ever go AWOL? Have you tracked her and her family's movements during the Civil War? Maybe they were part of a supply crew, or her father/brother were in a corps that fought with the 72nd. Any of his fellow soldier's moved there? Land grants after the war? Was her town along one of the westward trails? So many possibilities. Brian On Fri, April 1, 2011 12:37 pm, Nlment@aol.com wrote: > My great great Grandfather from Markgröningen, Wuerttemberg, Germany > served > in the 72nd Ohio Regiment. I've checked their battles and can't figure > out how he went from Ohio to finding my great great grandmother in Cooper > County, Missouri after the war. But they did find each other. Does > anyone > have any insight into things like this? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

The Ohio and Mississippi Rivers, Steamboats, The Great American West, his youthfullness. JWR My great great Grandfather from Markgröningen, Wuerttemberg, Germany served in the 72nd Ohio Regiment. I've checked their battles and can't figure ut how he went from Ohio to finding my great great grandmother in Cooper ounty, Missouri after the war. But they did find each other. Does anyone ave any insight into things like this? -----Original Message----- From: Nlment <Nlment@aol.com> To: hesse <hesse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Apr 1, 2011 1:38 pm Subject: Re: [HESSE] German-Americans in the Civil War - Wikipedia, the free encyclope... My great great Grandfather from Markgröningen, Wuerttemberg, Germany served in the 72nd Ohio Regiment. I've checked their battles and can't figure ut how he went from Ohio to finding my great great grandmother in Cooper ounty, Missouri after the war. But they did find each other. Does anyone ave any insight into things like this? ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

My great great Grandfather from Markgröningen, Wuerttemberg, Germany served in the 72nd Ohio Regiment. I've checked their battles and can't figure out how he went from Ohio to finding my great great grandmother in Cooper County, Missouri after the war. But they did find each other. Does anyone have any insight into things like this?

> I agree that this was NEVER mentioned > when I was attending school! > > Pat McCoy, M.S. > > Addiction Psychology > > Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! > ============================================= > > > The first part would be correct; > Bund = American Nazi Party. Or rather the closest thing to it, or Nazi > Party sympathizers. > There really wasn't a per se Nazi Party in America. The Bund was > led by a Hitler wannabe, and he even managed to get a picture taken with > him in 1936. > > The other one was some Soviet thing. > > Lots of stuff they never teach in school. > > Brian > > >> When I Googled "the Bund", I found references >> to the American Nazi Party and Jewish Slave >> Labor. >> >> Pat McCoy, M.S. >> >> Addiction Psychology>> >> >> >> Excuse my question. What was the Bund? >> >> >>> >>>> You know people often neglect what they think are little details, which >>>> on >>>> later inspection prove to be crucial to forming an accurate picture or >>>> hypothesis. >>>> >>>> Details like "My German ancestors settled in Washington D.C., and they >>>> had >>>> nothing but troubles during WWI& II.". >>>> >>>> Go figure, people with German accents and/or names being under >>>> suspicion >>>> at a time of war, against Germany, in the nation's capital. I'd be just >>>> as >>>> shocked to hear the same story for residents of Norfolk, VA (major >>>> Naval >>>> station). >>>> >>>> ; >>>>> My German relatives lived in the D.C. area so >>>>> that may have been a factor in the kind of grief >>>>> they got during both World Wars. >>>>> >>>>> Pat McCoy, M.S. >>>>> >>>>> Addiction Psychology >>>>> >>>>> > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >the subject and the body of the message > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3541 - Release Date: 03/30/11 > I always hated history in school. The way it was taught, it was so dry, and > it may have had something to do with a couple of really bad (or so I > thought) teachers. UNTIL I took "The Social History of the US to 1865" at > UCLA. I was MESMERIZED and then it started coming to life! But you're so > right, it was so "white-washed" that there wasn't anything left of any > "color" to learn about. The internet has certainly opened things up for new > information, hasn't it? Now I want to find a book about why the > German-Americans so often swept their German heritage under the rug. I > understand about WWI& WWII, but my Germans came to the US in 1837 and > earlier, and one branch even changed their name from Reiss to Rice! And > that seems to be the branch that fostered the "fairy story" that we were > from Alsace-Lorraine, instead of from Alzey, Hesse-Darmstadt. > > > I never heard about it either. On the other hand, one of the teachers > at my children's school pointed out that a tavern in the neighborhood, > still fairly raucous, was the local headquarters for the Bund. I did > not live here then, so this is second-hand information. Interestingly > enough, that particular 3 blocks is now mostly black. I wonder what the > Bund would have thought? > > > > I always hated history in school. The way it was taught, it was so dry, and > it may have had something to do with a couple of really bad (or so I > thought) teachers. UNTIL I took "The Social History of the US to 1865" at > UCLA. I was MESMERIZED and then it started coming to life! But you're so > right, it was so "white-washed" that there wasn't anything left of any > "color" to learn about. The internet has certainly opened things up for new > information, hasn't it? Now I want to find a book about why the > German-Americans so often swept their German heritage under the rug. I > understand about WWI& WWII, but my Germans came to the US in 1837 and > earlier, and one branch even changed their name from Reiss to Rice! And > that seems to be the branch that fostered the "fairy story" that we were > from Alsace-Lorraine, instead of from Alzey, Hesse-Darmstadt. > > > I never heard about it either. On the other hand, one of the teachers > at my children's school pointed out that a tavern in the neighborhood, > still fairly raucous, was the local headquarters for the Bund. I did > not live here then, so this is second-hand information. Interestingly > enough, that particular 3 blocks is now mostly black. I wonder what the > Bund would have thought? > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German-Americans_in_the_Civil_War > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German-Americans_in_the_Civil_War > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3543 - Release Date: 03/31/11 ------------------------------ To contact the HESSE list administrator, send an email to HESSE-admin@rootsweb.com. To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text.

I think it's hard and usually pointless to make generalizations on a segment of people. Many who fought may not have either supported or loathed slavery. Some may ave been indifferent. The presence or absence from the roll calls on either side of the fight is not indicative of support or not. If you were to analyze the records and this has been done, you'll find that fully half of those signed up were not present for basically all the battles. Keep that in mind the next time you hear numbers fighting, and how many died. While the mortalities are real, the numbers present at any given battle are likely to be half of what is printed in a history book. After all there are lies and then there are statistics. Now what I said about generalizing applies to my comment on roll calls also. There are lots of gotchas. A great many men signed up for the bounty money offered. Some of those were habitual enlisters. That is, they would sign up, get their money and never show up. They went to another unit and did it again. My gr-gr-grandfather enlisted three times, he was absent from roll call quite a few times. Got court-martialed for being found at a railway station in civilian clothes in DC. This was right about the time his toddler daughter died, and I suspect he was going to NYC for the funeral. This was after he'd already been shot in the hip at a battle and been honorably discharged and before he enlisted for the third time and got shot and captured three days before Appomattox. He wasn't one of those out to get the bounty money for nothing, but made $900 on bounties plus whatever he got for pay. The Civil War made my grandfather well to do; that $900 would be equivalent to $20-25K today. He used the first $300 to start a saloon with his brother. He died a rather wealthy man, and second in command at his GAR (Grand Army of The Republic) Post. The GAR, was one of the most influential (political) organizations of it's time, and managed to get a great deal of legislation written. It was controlled by a great many German-Americans. I have heard The Civil War called variously throughout nation The Civil War, the The War of the Rebellion, The War of The Great Rebellion, The War Between The States, The Late Unpleasantness, and I think also the War of the Confederacy. The last two being terms found only in the South. There was another one some Deep Southerners use, but I can't remember it. I live in the Metro KC area now, the only state that I know of that had raised both Confederate and Union Armies. While the Union flag was flown on Jewell Hall here in Liberty, Jesse James et al were fighting very effectively for the South. After the War the Confederate flag flew on the Clay County courthouse until sometime in the 1900s. Alabama only took theirs down a few years ago. Yet, the Masonic Lodge in Liberty had members at the time from both sides of the battle, and held meetings together in peace and fellowship throughout the War. So, it's not all as black and white as the drool books they use in public and private schools. The really good history books only come much later. I hated history in school. But the real thing is so much more interesting. It would be interesting to see how it has been covered in European history books. In summary, the German presence in the Civil War likely covered the full gamete from staunch supporter of their side to scoundrels out for an easy buck. I've never been sure where to place my gr-gr-grandfather, an unfortunate failed scoundrel or unlucky patriot. Or perhaps more closely: a good man not opposed to making a handsome profit that involves some risk. He outlived all but two of his children. Brian On Thu, March 31, 2011 11:11 pm, D.L. MacLaughlan-Dumes wrote: > > On Mar 31, 2011, at 7:14 PM, Charles Hofacker wrote: > >> Slavery was anathema to the forty-eighter's. It was an abomination. As >> a >> group, the forty-eighter's could not stomach it. > > ...Except for those Forty-Eighters who lived in the South. :-)

All, This has been a very interesting thread! Thanks to all of you for sharing. My Heckman(n) ancestors came from Rothenberg im Odenwald, Hessen to eastern PA in 1749. My family actively supported the war for American independence; one book even claims that my g-g-g-g-great-uncles - or their similarly-named cousins - actually crossed the Delaware in George Washington's boat! A hundred years later, my g-great-grandfather Peter D. Heckman (his siblings, and other relatives) served with the PA Volunteers in the Civil War; his father and grandfather died in that decade, and both of their wills were written in German (I have not found Peter's will). Another hundred years later, my grandfather (born in 1901) spoke a good bit of "PA Dutch", and my father, far less so (and me - almost nothing!). My take on that is that "being German" was not something we wanted to advertise post WWI and WWII, so my Dad was less inclined to pick up the language. I sensed a little bit of that as I was growing up in NJ - among the Irish, Italians, Latinos, Polish and others; still, I believe I would have picked-up far more German if my Dad had raised me in his native eastern PA. Jeff Heckman Penfield, NY http://sites.google.com/site/heckmanfamilysite/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Cunningham" <drybones@netreach.net> To: hesse@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 5:27:41 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Jumping to conclusions I think part of it was that they were trying to leave the "old country" behind. My father was proud that his father had been born here (of German immigrants) while his mother was an immigrant from Wuerttemberg. She never spoke English very well, I understand. Now it is sort of okay to keep your language and teach it to children, but it was not when I was a child. Everybody seemed to want to be totally American. I am 76, but do not know how far back the wanting to be American went. My mother's father, from Hesse in 1885, tried to leave his German behind also. With a name like Fuehrer, it might have been harder. Elizabeth C

Also on Long Island. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: VistaRon To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> Sent: 31 March, 2011 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] German-Americans in the Civil War - Wikipedia,the free encyclope... > Known as The War of Rebellion in the Great Lakes area.