Hello Debra, if you cut the "/schuch" part of the url, you get the homepage with a contact(Kontact) link to its owner. on the other hand, the publication is more of a genealogical periodical that publishes different articles, the one you name actually seems to list the ancestors of Dr. W. Fischer, rather than him being the author. good luck with your research, Alexis 2011/4/23 D.L. MacLaughlan-Dumes <dmac@physics.ucla.edu> > In researching my Schuchmann ancestors from Hausen and Groß Bieberau, I've > run across a reference to Dr. Wilhelm Fischer, author of Hessische > Familienkunde Oktober 1966, Band 8, Beiheft 7 on several online sites. > > This volume has been used to document the existence of a Lenchen > (Leonhardt) Schuchman[n], born between 1520-1540, died about 1577. Here's a > website example of how it's been used: > > http://www.genealogy.net/privat/schifferdecker/schuch.htm > > I can independently document the existence of the son Hans Schuchman[n] and > daughter Margret via microfilm of Groß Bieberau records, but those records > begin in 1575. Thus no baptism entry would be available for Lenchen, and I'm > unable to verify Lenchen's death using this microfilm (death records are > fragmentary for this period). > > Is anyone here familiar with Dr. Fischer's Hessische Familienkunde? If so, > do you know what sources were used to compile names and dates? Tax or > military records, perhaps? > > I know I'm lucky to get back as far as 1576 with a documentable source, but > in the interest of accuracy I don't want to add someone to my database whose > existence may only be legendary. Can someone shed some light on the > reliability of Dr. Fischer's books, particularly what sources he may have > used? > > Thanks in advance. > > Regards, > Debra MacLaughlan-Dumes > http://sakionline.net/familypage > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

On Apr 23, 2011, at 5:40 PM, alexis jungk wrote: > Hello Debra, > if you cut the "/schuch" part of the url, you get the homepage with a > contact(Kontact) link to its owner. > > on the other hand, the publication is more of a genealogical periodical that > publishes different articles, the one you name actually seems to list the > ancestors of Dr. W. Fischer, rather than him being the author. Thanks very much for the clarification, Alexis. I'll email the website author to see whether he has any ideas about sources used. Regards, Debra MacLaughlan-Dumes http://sakionline.net/familypage

Hi Everyone - I have a cause of death in 1811 as "an gallichtem Seitenstich", which I think translates to a bilious side stitch. Does anyone know what it means? Is it gall bladder disease of some kind? I also saw Seitenstich as a symptom of pleurisy. Thanks and Happy Easter, Anita

I think Billious means "bloated" more than nausea. A feeling of gas in the esophagus or upper intestinal tract. a "stitch" is an intermittent pain in the side or flank and characterized by pain on extremes of motion or breathing (Pleurisy or after running getting a side cramp in a muscle) In a message dated 4/23/2011 8:19:09 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, dmac@physics.ucla.edu writes: According to William Pepper et al, A System of Practical Medicine by American Authors, Volume 3 p. 483 (via Google Books), "Seitenstich" is the German term for what's known in English as pleurisy, noting that a pain in the side is the most common symptom. Bilious means nausea. Charles Severs MD

Hi Anita, From: http://www.antiquusmorbus.com/ Bilious A term very generally made use of, to express diseases which arise from too copious a secretion of bile: thus bilious colic, bilious diarrhea, bilious fecver, etc. [Hooper1829]. That which relates to bile, contains bile, or is produced by bile. An epithet given to certain constitutions and diseases, which are believed to be the effect of superabundance of the biliary secretion; as bilious fever, but often used, without any definite idea, as regards the bile, being attached to it. Biliousness is the state of being bilious. [Dunglison1874] Biliousness Gastric distress caused by a disorder of the liver or gall bladder. [Wordnet] Stitch A spasmodic action of the muscles of the side, accompanied with pain, produced by running, etc. [Hoblyn1855] A local sharp pain; an acute pain, like the piercing of a needle; as, a stitch in the side. [Webster] A symptom of Pleurisy. [Buchan1785] A Happy Easter to you also. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: Anita To: "Hesse List" <hesse@rootsweb.com> Sent: 23 April, 2011 10:55 AM Subject: [HESSE] cause of death - translation > > Hi Everyone - I have a cause of death in 1811 as "an gallichtem Seitenstich", which I think translates to a bilious side stitch. Does anyone know what it means? Is it gall bladder disease of some kind? I also saw Seitenstich as a symptom of pleurisy. > Thanks and Happy Easter, > Anita

In researching my Schuchmann ancestors from Hausen and Groß Bieberau, I've run across a reference to Dr. Wilhelm Fischer, author of Hessische Familienkunde Oktober 1966, Band 8, Beiheft 7 on several online sites. This volume has been used to document the existence of a Lenchen (Leonhardt) Schuchman[n], born between 1520-1540, died about 1577. Here's a website example of how it's been used: http://www.genealogy.net/privat/schifferdecker/schuch.htm I can independently document the existence of the son Hans Schuchman[n] and daughter Margret via microfilm of Groß Bieberau records, but those records begin in 1575. Thus no baptism entry would be available for Lenchen, and I'm unable to verify Lenchen's death using this microfilm (death records are fragmentary for this period). Is anyone here familiar with Dr. Fischer's Hessische Familienkunde? If so, do you know what sources were used to compile names and dates? Tax or military records, perhaps? I know I'm lucky to get back as far as 1576 with a documentable source, but in the interest of accuracy I don't want to add someone to my database whose existence may only be legendary. Can someone shed some light on the reliability of Dr. Fischer's books, particularly what sources he may have used? Thanks in advance. Regards, Debra MacLaughlan-Dumes http://sakionline.net/familypage

On Apr 23, 2011, at 7:55 AM, <anita.griffith@sympatico.ca> <anita.griffith@sympatico.ca> wrote: > > Hi Everyone - I have a cause of death in 1811 as "an gallichtem Seitenstich", which I think translates to a bilious side stitch. Does anyone know what it means? Is it gall bladder disease of some kind? I also saw Seitenstich as a symptom of pleurisy. According to William Pepper et al, A System of Practical Medicine by American Authors, Volume 3 p. 483 (via Google Books), "Seitenstich" is the German term for what's known in English as pleurisy, noting that a pain in the side is the most common symptom. Bilious means nausea. Regards, Debra MacLaughlan-Dumes http://sakionline.net/familypage

I'm with you Don!! -----Original Message----- From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of hesse-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 12:01 AM To: hesse@rootsweb.com Subject: HESSE Digest, Vol 6, Issue 63 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 15:19:58 -0500 From: "Don Watson" <dwats@cox.net> Subject: [HESSE] Hessen Mailing List Posts To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <473F7784BA9741AB884EAF8441DFF764@PastorDonPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello............. I've been at this for a loooooooong time. I'm getting too old, really, to continue. I've cancelled all lists except Hessen, where we lived for so many years and often wish we had remained there. Folks, please........... How difficult is it to DELETE everything before you respond? We get the same messages over and over and over and over and over again. It is so simple to highlight and delete everything in a digest, then send your reponse. The only thing you need to reference is the message that you are responding to. EVERYTHING ELSE can be deleted in one second ! ! ! Try it, you'll like it ! ! ! Please........... these old eyes would like to hang on a little longer. Be kind enough to be brief. The result will be a very orderly presentation for all of us ! ! ! Thank you ! ! ! :-) Don Watson ------------------------------

If your ancestor served in the Civil War, ancestry has added many new records. And so has Footnote, who is giving you some free time to look them over. On Ancestry, I just found something I'd not seen before - Town Clerk Registers of those who served in the Civil War. I got from these, the birth date and place, parents names, including mother's maiden, as well as Civil War related dates. I don't know if every town had these register books, but worth looking into as another source of origins. Susan Sent from my iPhone

Thanks,I do need one where he came from Germany and then the rest especially my females where they went to,to which States. Do have their birthdates,years and towns where they came from. The 1900 Census is very good because I told Ancestry I can go after the month and year when they were born..and which yr.they emigrated. Now even when they married or came together on the ships and were not married ..one can recognize some info before one clicks in on the orig. Census. Doris

They gave a number for destination few yrs.ago but now we can't see it anymore. One might have to write to them..I find everyone leaving Germany on the ships or Emigration but very few where they went too. Thanks for all your input and knowledge,Doris.

No much. When the federal government opened Ellis Island for business, the states were told to turn over there manifests to the feds. These were stored on Ellis Island in "magazines" that were formerly used for ammunition. There was a great fire in 1897 in which they were all destroyed. What was not destroyed were the lists held by the Customs House. These lists were for the purpose of keeping track of what was brought into the country, so they could be taxed, if appropriate. What they contain are name, age, sex, occupation, place of origination, and destination. Keep in mind, most times the place of origination & destination are just the name of the country. "Class of travel" can sometimes be figured out when looking at the list. I personally have found errors on these lists. Perhaps haste in filling them out led to carelessness. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: adodge74 To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 04 April, 2011 9:40 AM Subject: [HESSE] Castle Garden > > > If one would send for the info on a family member via Castle Garden,what > would we find out in it ? > Where the family Immigrant went to,to which State and what else? and how > much does it cost ? > Thanks in advance,Doris.

If one would send for the info on a family member via Castle Garden,what would we find out in it ? Where the family Immigrant went to,to which State and what else? and how much does it cost ? Thanks in advance,Doris.

Have you tried the Castle Garden Immigration Website? www.castlegarden.org/ This was the Immigration Center in New York, from 1855 to 1890, before Ellis Island opened. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Curelopp" <noshowclc@aol.com> To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] German-Americans in the Civil War - Wikipedia,the free encyclope... > Two excellent suggestions! Thank you both. I'll start on Ancestry, just > don't recall if they have outgoing manifests, but I fear as early as 1862 > probably won't have a very detailed "final destination," if one at all. > He was born in Arnshain, Hesse-Darmstadt. I have the parish records, will > have to look again to see which relatives were still alive that he might > be visiting. Were there any type of directories or parish directories > that might have him listed? He had a US passport, was that all he needed > to travel from country to country at that time? > > You are helping me already. > > Susan > > Sent from my iPhone > > Bobbie wrote: > he might have needed some kind of permission to stay or to leave. > Also, he might show up in a baptismal record. > > Pat wrote: >> Also, the passenger list could indicate where >> he was headed from America to Europe. >> >> Pat McCoy, M.S. >> >> Addiction Psychology >> >> Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! >> =============================================== >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Susan Curelopp <noshowclc@aol.com> >> To: "hesse@rootsweb.com" <hesse@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sun, April 3, 2011 1:57:33 AM >> Subject: Re: [HESSE] German-Americans in the Civil War - Wikipedia, the >> free >> encyclope... >> >> Thank you Bobbi, Kim, and Pat, for your suggestions. I know just about >> all I >> need on my great grandfather from 1849-1862, then 1865-his death, all >> here in >> the U.S. What I'm wondering is, other than a marriage record in 1865 >> Zug, >> Switzerland (which I don't have), are there any suggestions on tracing >> his >> movements in Germany and Switzerland during that 3 year stay? He became >> a US >> citizen through his father's naturalization, and I'm pretty certain he >> never >> attempted to become a citizen elsewhere. It's tough figuring out what he >> was >> doing those three years. >> >> Susan >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Apr 2, 2011, at 2:31 PM, Pat McCoy <p.a.mccoy@att.net> wrote: >> >>> There might be passenger lists at the National >>> Archives in Washington, D.C. >>> >>> Pat McCoy, M.S. >>> >>> Addiction Psychology >>> >>> Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! >>> ================================================= >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Kim Allison Ross <slimkim@gci.net> >>> To: hesse@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 4:04:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [HESSE] German-Americans in the Civil War - Wikipedia, the >>> free >>> encyclope... >>> >>> What about immigration/travel/port records? I know this was before >>> Ellis Island. Where would he of left from anyway. Baltimore? New >>> York? How does one find those records? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> My great grandfather came from Arnshain, Hesse-Darmstadt. I think >>> anything our Hesse immigrants did here after immigration qualifies for >>> discussion on this list. He returned to Germany in 1862, and for some >>> reason made his way to Switzerland and married in 1865. I wish figuring >>> out how that came to be were as simple as tracking censuses for the >>> bride's family, whose given names we don't know. >>> Because he was there for about 3 years, does anyone think there is any >>> sort of document I might find him on in that little time? >>> >>> Susan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com >>> >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >>> body of >>> the message >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the >>> subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> body of >> the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I'm sure others will be more knowledgeable, I have one manifest at 1877 that does name the state they were headed to, even though that was not the state they actually went to. An 1849 manifest doesn't have final destination. So, I guess time makes a difference. There are many people, including myself, who are happy to look for your manifest. Just provide names, birth year, as many details as you can. Susan Sent from my iPhone On Apr 4, 2011, at 6:40 AM, adodge74@aol.com wrote: > > > If one would send for the info on a family member via Castle Garden,what would we find out in it ? > Where the family Immigrant went to,to which State and what else? and how much does it cost ? > Thanks in advance,Doris. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You're welcome, Susan! I live within commuting distance of the National Archives and I've learned, while digging through their records, that not everything is online. You can e-mail me, off-list, if you have more questions. Pat McCoy, M.S. Addiction Psychology Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! ============================================== ________________________________ From: Susan Curelopp <noshowclc@aol.com> To: "hesse@rootsweb.com" <hesse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, April 3, 2011 10:22:19 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] German-Americans in the Civil War - Wikipedia, the free encyclope... Two excellent suggestions! Thank you both. I'll start on Ancestry, just don't recall if they have outgoing manifests, but I fear as early as 1862 probably won't have a very detailed "final destination," if one at all. He was born in Arnshain, Hesse-Darmstadt. I have the parish records, will have to look again to see which relatives were still alive that he might be visiting. Were there any type of directories or parish directories that might have him listed? He had a US passport, was that all he needed to travel from country to country at that time? You are helping me already. Susan Sent from my iPhone Bobbie wrote: he might have needed some kind of permission to stay or to leave. Also, he might show up in a baptismal record. Pat wrote: > Also, the passenger list could indicate where > he was headed from America to Europe. > > Pat McCoy, M.S. > > Addiction Psychology > > Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! > =============================================== > > > ________________________________ > From: Susan Curelopp <noshowclc@aol.com> > To: "hesse@rootsweb.com" <hesse@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sun, April 3, 2011 1:57:33 AM > Subject: Re: [HESSE] German-Americans in the Civil War - Wikipedia, the free > encyclope... > > Thank you Bobbi, Kim, and Pat, for your suggestions. I know just about all I > need on my great grandfather from 1849-1862, then 1865-his death, all here in > the U.S. What I'm wondering is, other than a marriage record in 1865 Zug, > Switzerland (which I don't have), are there any suggestions on tracing his > movements in Germany and Switzerland during that 3 year stay? He became a US > citizen through his father's naturalization, and I'm pretty certain he never > attempted to become a citizen elsewhere. It's tough figuring out what he was > doing those three years. > > Susan > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 2, 2011, at 2:31 PM, Pat McCoy <p.a.mccoy@att.net> wrote: > >> There might be passenger lists at the National >> Archives in Washington, D.C. >> >> Pat McCoy, M.S. >> >> Addiction Psychology >> >> Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! >> ================================================= >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Kim Allison Ross <slimkim@gci.net> >> To: hesse@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 4:04:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [HESSE] German-Americans in the Civil War - Wikipedia, the free >> encyclope... >> >> What about immigration/travel/port records? I know this was before >> Ellis Island. Where would he of left from anyway. Baltimore? New >> York? How does one find those records? >> >> >> >> >> My great grandfather came from Arnshain, Hesse-Darmstadt. I think >> anything our Hesse immigrants did here after immigration qualifies for >> discussion on this list. He returned to Germany in 1862, and for some >> reason made his way to Switzerland and married in 1865. I wish figuring >> out how that came to be were as simple as tracking censuses for the >> bride's family, whose given names we don't know. >> Because he was there for about 3 years, does anyone think there is any >> sort of document I might find him on in that little time? >> >> Susan >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com >> >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >> the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >>the >> >> subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >HESSE-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Two excellent suggestions! Thank you both. I'll start on Ancestry, just don't recall if they have outgoing manifests, but I fear as early as 1862 probably won't have a very detailed "final destination," if one at all. He was born in Arnshain, Hesse-Darmstadt. I have the parish records, will have to look again to see which relatives were still alive that he might be visiting. Were there any type of directories or parish directories that might have him listed? He had a US passport, was that all he needed to travel from country to country at that time? You are helping me already. Susan Sent from my iPhone Bobbie wrote: he might have needed some kind of permission to stay or to leave. Also, he might show up in a baptismal record. Pat wrote: > Also, the passenger list could indicate where > he was headed from America to Europe. > > Pat McCoy, M.S. > > Addiction Psychology > > Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! > =============================================== > > > ________________________________ > From: Susan Curelopp <noshowclc@aol.com> > To: "hesse@rootsweb.com" <hesse@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sun, April 3, 2011 1:57:33 AM > Subject: Re: [HESSE] German-Americans in the Civil War - Wikipedia, the free > encyclope... > > Thank you Bobbi, Kim, and Pat, for your suggestions. I know just about all I > need on my great grandfather from 1849-1862, then 1865-his death, all here in > the U.S. What I'm wondering is, other than a marriage record in 1865 Zug, > Switzerland (which I don't have), are there any suggestions on tracing his > movements in Germany and Switzerland during that 3 year stay? He became a US > citizen through his father's naturalization, and I'm pretty certain he never > attempted to become a citizen elsewhere. It's tough figuring out what he was > doing those three years. > > Susan > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 2, 2011, at 2:31 PM, Pat McCoy <p.a.mccoy@att.net> wrote: > >> There might be passenger lists at the National >> Archives in Washington, D.C. >> >> Pat McCoy, M.S. >> >> Addiction Psychology >> >> Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! >> ================================================= >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Kim Allison Ross <slimkim@gci.net> >> To: hesse@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 4:04:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [HESSE] German-Americans in the Civil War - Wikipedia, the free >> encyclope... >> >> What about immigration/travel/port records? I know this was before >> Ellis Island. Where would he of left from anyway. Baltimore? New >> York? How does one find those records? >> >> >> >> >> My great grandfather came from Arnshain, Hesse-Darmstadt. I think >> anything our Hesse immigrants did here after immigration qualifies for >> discussion on this list. He returned to Germany in 1862, and for some >> reason made his way to Switzerland and married in 1865. I wish figuring >> out how that came to be were as simple as tracking censuses for the >> bride's family, whose given names we don't know. >> Because he was there for about 3 years, does anyone think there is any >> sort of document I might find him on in that little time? >> >> Susan >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com >> >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >> the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >> subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Since we have been talking about the Civil War... Virginia Tech Launches First of Civil War Newspapers Online http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2011/04/virginia-tech-launches-first-of-civil-war-newspapers-online.html

Hi Susan, If you know where he originated from, why not look there? He might have gone back to be with relatives. If he did and stayed on for any length of time, he might have needed some kind of permission to stay or to leave. Also, he might show up in a baptismal record. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Curelopp" To: <hesse@rootsweb.com> Sent: 03 April, 2011 1:57 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] German-Americans in the Civil War - Wikipedia,the free encyclope... > Thank you Bobbi, Kim, and Pat, for your suggestions. I know just about > all I need on my great grandfather from 1849-1862, then 1865-his death, > all here in the U.S. What I'm wondering is, other than a marriage record > in 1865 Zug, Switzerland (which I don't have), are there any suggestions > on tracing his movements in Germany and Switzerland during that 3 year > stay? He became a US citizen through his father's naturalization, and I'm > pretty certain he never attempted to become a citizen elsewhere. It's > tough figuring out what he was doing those three years. > > Susan

Also, the passenger list could indicate where he was headed from America to Europe. Pat McCoy, M.S. Addiction Psychology Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! =============================================== ________________________________ From: Susan Curelopp <noshowclc@aol.com> To: "hesse@rootsweb.com" <hesse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, April 3, 2011 1:57:33 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] German-Americans in the Civil War - Wikipedia, the free encyclope... Thank you Bobbi, Kim, and Pat, for your suggestions. I know just about all I need on my great grandfather from 1849-1862, then 1865-his death, all here in the U.S. What I'm wondering is, other than a marriage record in 1865 Zug, Switzerland (which I don't have), are there any suggestions on tracing his movements in Germany and Switzerland during that 3 year stay? He became a US citizen through his father's naturalization, and I'm pretty certain he never attempted to become a citizen elsewhere. It's tough figuring out what he was doing those three years. Susan Sent from my iPhone On Apr 2, 2011, at 2:31 PM, Pat McCoy <p.a.mccoy@att.net> wrote: > There might be passenger lists at the National > Archives in Washington, D.C. > > Pat McCoy, M.S. > > Addiction Psychology > > Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! > ================================================= > > > ________________________________ > From: Kim Allison Ross <slimkim@gci.net> > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 4:04:19 PM > Subject: Re: [HESSE] German-Americans in the Civil War - Wikipedia, the free > encyclope... > > What about immigration/travel/port records? I know this was before > Ellis Island. Where would he of left from anyway. Baltimore? New > York? How does one find those records? > > > > > My great grandfather came from Arnshain, Hesse-Darmstadt. I think > anything our Hesse immigrants did here after immigration qualifies for > discussion on this list. He returned to Germany in 1862, and for some > reason made his way to Switzerland and married in 1865. I wish figuring > out how that came to be were as simple as tracking censuses for the > bride's family, whose given names we don't know. > Because he was there for about 3 years, does anyone think there is any > sort of document I might find him on in that little time? > > Susan > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >HESSE-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message