Hi Debra and Helen, Your suggestions are greatly appreciated. I'll send off for death records for children born in Hesse-Darmstadt but died in the U.S.A., mainly in New Jersey. I'll also try to find the death record for Ludwig's wife, Magdelena Ulrich. Ludwig, according to my bro-in-law, does not have a town listed on his death certificate. Then there are marriage records to check, also. I'm just finding out that Hesse-Darmstadt could mean any one of many towns in the area. So the hunt for the town is a little more difficult than I thought. But perhaps the one of the certificate's will come through for me. I've also done searches on https://www.familysearch.org/ for Ludwig Ulrich, but no exact match there. I've seen some new German records, and some on Hesse-Darmstadt City Records, but they are in old Gothic German script. I had a very brief peek today, but it's a long shot. Gothic German is like reading Chinese to me! The idea of a hired local researcher sounds better with each disappointment. Thanks, too. for the info on Newark, N.J. having a German newspaper at the time. That and the Woodland Cemetery burial for many Germans has me ready to go forward. Thanks to you and all that have spurred me on! Great help! I should never have waited so long to sign up for Hesse@rootsweb! Cheers to you, Marita Ulrich On Jun 1, 2011, at 2:27 PM, D.L. MacLaughlan-Dumes wrote: > > On Jun 1, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Marita Ulrich wrote: > >> As a new subscriber, I am looking for information on Ludwig Ulrich's family from Hesse-Darmstadt. I would like to find verifying information on his birth, birthplace, marriage, etc. Any suggestions to help in my search will be most helpful. I'm planning to stop in Darmstadt in Sep 2011 and want to tour Ludwig's town/village, hopefully get copies of certificates, and perhaps find a relative or two? Here's what I have: >> >> Ludwig Ulrich, born about 1817 in Darmstadt, married Magdelena ? perhaps around 1844, she, too was born in Darmstadt, about 1819. They had four children also born in Darmstadt: Peter, Nov 1844, Jacob, c. 1845, Henry Charles, 1846 and Ludwig, 1849. They immigrated to the USA about 1850 where Ludwig and Magdelena had six more children. They lived in Newark, New Jersey and according to the US census, Ludwig was a stone cutter. >> >> Any guidance would be most appreciated. > > You may want to try some New Jersey records research first, assuming that Ludwig Ulrich resided there during the whole of his time in the U.S. A death record, if you can locate it, may identify his actual city of birth. Then again, depending on the knowledge of the informant, it may just say Hesse-Darmstadt or even Germany. But it's worth a try. You might also look for a death record for any of his children who were born in Hesse-Darmstadt but who died here. The birthplace might be on that record, and that might lead you to where Ludwig lived in Hesse-Darmstadt. > > Do you have his passenger manifest from his emigration year, if you know it? Occasionally these include a town of origin, which may simply be the last place of residence, not birth. But these records can sometimes provide helpful clues. > > The 1860 U.S. federal census recorded the region or foreign state of his birth, not the town. Ludwig may have been born in the town of Darmstadt but it's more likely that this stands for Hesse-Darmstadt, the region. There were hundreds of towns and villages, one of which was Ludwig's home town. Before you can visit the town you'll need to identify where he was born. > > Birth/baptism records in Hesse-Darmstadt are usually found in church books, same for marriage records. But you'd need to know the parish in order to check whether these records have been microfilmed and are available for rental at a local library. Alternatively, once you know the town you could hire a local researcher to do look-ups for you, which is more expensive than doing the research yourself...but sometimes archival material is open only to local researchers. > > I did a quick search at https://www.familysearch.org/ to see whether Ludwig's information had been indexed but didn't have any luck with an exact match. You might want to do some investigation there to see what you can find. > > Good luck with your search. > > Best regards, > Debra MacLaughlan-Dumes > Researching: Jatho, Schuchmann, Dressel, etc. in Hesse-Cassel and Hesse-Darmstadt > http://sakionline.net/familypage > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The NJ State Archives has an exceptional collections of records, especially for the time period you are researching. You should have no trouble locating death and marriage records. The later death records will tell you where they are buried. Many Germans were buried in Woodland Cemetery in Newark. There is a volunteer group working on collecting info and transcribing tombstones for the cemetery. You can contact Mary Lish at marylish@gmail.com and see if she has any of your folks in her database. Most of the vital records are probably going to give Germany as the place of birth - possibly Darmstadt. Rarely, the name of a town. However, Newark did have a German newspaper at the time and you might be able to get a death notice from there that would give more info. This newspaper is also at the Archives. Hope this helps Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marita Ulrich" <mulrich@coretek.org> To: <HESSE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 3:29 PM Subject: [HESSE] Ludwig Ulrich > As a new subscriber, I am looking for information on Ludwig Ulrich's > family from Hesse-Darmstadt. I would like to find verifying information > on his birth, birthplace, marriage, etc. Any suggestions to help in my > search will be most helpful. I'm planning to stop in Darmstadt in Sep 2011 > and want to tour Ludwig's town/village, hopefully get copies of > certificates, and perhaps find a relative or two? Here's what I have: > > Ludwig Ulrich, born about 1817 in Darmstadt, married Magdelena ? perhaps > around 1844, she, too was born in Darmstadt, about 1819. They had four > children also born in Darmstadt: Peter, Nov 1844, Jacob, c. 1845, Henry > Charles, 1846 and Ludwig, 1849. They immigrated to the USA about 1850 > where Ludwig and Magdelena had six more children. They lived in Newark, > New Jersey and according to the US census, Ludwig was a stone cutter. > > Any guidance would be most appreciated. > > Marita Ulrich > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

All: I have been researching my family for about eight years now and have run into a bit of a road block. I am searching for any records for my great-grand-father Johann A. Zimbrich born 13-Mar-1853 I believe in Frankfurt am Main. I have a birth certificate of my great-aunt indicating he was Hessen and born in Frankfurt am Main. His death certificate indicates his father was Jacob Zimbrich. Johann came to Chicago around 1877. He died 16-Jan-1911 and is buried in Bethania Cemetery in Justice, IL. I have extensive records from 1877 on but cannot locate a link back to Germany. I have a few leads on passenger manifests but the dates don't seem to line up quite right. Also, the 1880 US Census listed Johann Zimbrecht in Cook County, IL so that could possibly be an alternate spelling, but I am pretty sure Zimbrich is correct. I am traveling for business to Frankfurt in July and hope to meet up with some people I met online with the same name, but we cannot establish a family link definitively. But these Zimbrich's are from the Pfungstadt/Damstadt area which seems promising. So, what I am asking for is if anyone might have information on a Zimbrich family from Hesse (Frankfurt area) or if anyone has suggestions on where I might try to look while in Frankfurt. Thanks in advance! Dave Zimbrich Plainfield, IL

On Jun 1, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Marita Ulrich wrote: > As a new subscriber, I am looking for information on Ludwig Ulrich's family from Hesse-Darmstadt. I would like to find verifying information on his birth, birthplace, marriage, etc. Any suggestions to help in my search will be most helpful. I'm planning to stop in Darmstadt in Sep 2011 and want to tour Ludwig's town/village, hopefully get copies of certificates, and perhaps find a relative or two? Here's what I have: > > Ludwig Ulrich, born about 1817 in Darmstadt, married Magdelena ? perhaps around 1844, she, too was born in Darmstadt, about 1819. They had four children also born in Darmstadt: Peter, Nov 1844, Jacob, c. 1845, Henry Charles, 1846 and Ludwig, 1849. They immigrated to the USA about 1850 where Ludwig and Magdelena had six more children. They lived in Newark, New Jersey and according to the US census, Ludwig was a stone cutter. > > Any guidance would be most appreciated. You may want to try some New Jersey records research first, assuming that Ludwig Ulrich resided there during the whole of his time in the U.S. A death record, if you can locate it, may identify his actual city of birth. Then again, depending on the knowledge of the informant, it may just say Hesse-Darmstadt or even Germany. But it's worth a try. You might also look for a death record for any of his children who were born in Hesse-Darmstadt but who died here. The birthplace might be on that record, and that might lead you to where Ludwig lived in Hesse-Darmstadt. Do you have his passenger manifest from his emigration year, if you know it? Occasionally these include a town of origin, which may simply be the last place of residence, not birth. But these records can sometimes provide helpful clues. The 1860 U.S. federal census recorded the region or foreign state of his birth, not the town. Ludwig may have been born in the town of Darmstadt but it's more likely that this stands for Hesse-Darmstadt, the region. There were hundreds of towns and villages, one of which was Ludwig's home town. Before you can visit the town you'll need to identify where he was born. Birth/baptism records in Hesse-Darmstadt are usually found in church books, same for marriage records. But you'd need to know the parish in order to check whether these records have been microfilmed and are available for rental at a local library. Alternatively, once you know the town you could hire a local researcher to do look-ups for you, which is more expensive than doing the research yourself...but sometimes archival material is open only to local researchers. I did a quick search at https://www.familysearch.org/ to see whether Ludwig's information had been indexed but didn't have any luck with an exact match. You might want to do some investigation there to see what you can find. Good luck with your search. Best regards, Debra MacLaughlan-Dumes Researching: Jatho, Schuchmann, Dressel, etc. in Hesse-Cassel and Hesse-Darmstadt http://sakionline.net/familypage

As a new subscriber, I am looking for information on Ludwig Ulrich's family from Hesse-Darmstadt. I would like to find verifying information on his birth, birthplace, marriage, etc. Any suggestions to help in my search will be most helpful. I'm planning to stop in Darmstadt in Sep 2011 and want to tour Ludwig's town/village, hopefully get copies of certificates, and perhaps find a relative or two? Here's what I have: Ludwig Ulrich, born about 1817 in Darmstadt, married Magdelena ? perhaps around 1844, she, too was born in Darmstadt, about 1819. They had four children also born in Darmstadt: Peter, Nov 1844, Jacob, c. 1845, Henry Charles, 1846 and Ludwig, 1849. They immigrated to the USA about 1850 where Ludwig and Magdelena had six more children. They lived in Newark, New Jersey and according to the US census, Ludwig was a stone cutter. Any guidance would be most appreciated. Marita Ulrich

I have some KRAFT's connected to my family tree in the D.C. Metro area through the NAU branch.   Pat McCoy, M.S. Addiction Psychology Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! ________________________________ From: Carol Kraft <caroljaykay@msn.com> To: hesse@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 6:39 PM Subject: [HESSE] (no subject) I am trying to locate relatives of or information on Henry Emil Kraft born 1860 (?) in Germany Henry came to America in 1880 and I have been unable to locate any information on him until he married Julia Krellenberg.  He and Julia appeared on the 1900 census in Woodland, California.  Henry and his 2 sons appeared on the 1910 census.  I know that Julia died in 1903.  After the 1910 census Henry seemed to disappear. An article on Julia's father, Peter Krellenberg, stated that Henry was from Colusa County, California but I was unable to find him in any census there.  I may have found a brother, Julius Kraft born in 1863 in Hesse-Nassau.  Julius' wife was Augusta Kloeppel (father Adam Kloeppel) and she also was born in Hesse-Nassau. Any help would be appreciated. Carol Kraft                         ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Carol, I found this death record on VitalSearch. Kraft, Henry E., age 69, Yolo County, date of death 5/11/1925, Record number 26701 (hard to read) Emmitt In a message dated 5/24/2011 3:44:01 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, caroljaykay@msn.com writes: Henry Emil Kraft born 1860 (?) in Germany

Thank you so much. This will definitely establish a date of birth for me also. Depending on the two census I did find him on he could have been born in 1858, 1859 or 1860. This is am elusive individual. Carol > From: EmmittMcClendon@aol.com > Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 10:56:54 -0400 > To: hesse@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HESSE] (no subject) > > Hi Carol, > I found this death record on VitalSearch. > Kraft, Henry E., age 69, Yolo County, date of death 5/11/1925, Record > number 26701 (hard to read) > Emmitt > > > In a message dated 5/24/2011 3:44:01 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > caroljaykay@msn.com writes: > > Henry Emil Kraft born 1860 (?) in Germany > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am trying to locate relatives of or information on Henry Emil Kraft born 1860 (?) in Germany Henry came to America in 1880 and I have been unable to locate any information on him until he married Julia Krellenberg. He and Julia appeared on the 1900 census in Woodland, California. Henry and his 2 sons appeared on the 1910 census. I know that Julia died in 1903. After the 1910 census Henry seemed to disappear. An article on Julia's father, Peter Krellenberg, stated that Henry was from Colusa County, California but I was unable to find him in any census there. I may have found a brother, Julius Kraft born in 1863 in Hesse-Nassau. Julius' wife was Augusta Kloeppel (father Adam Kloeppel) and she also was born in Hesse-Nassau. Any help would be appreciated. Carol Kraft

Not directly in Feldatal or Schnellnhausen but all over the place in surrounding towns. Look on the map for the closest one to there. http://members.cox.net/hessen/towns.htm Choose Site #2. Type in Schnellnhausen, then Feldatal, since that is where Schnellnhausen gets its mail. :-) Don Watson

In reading this posting, it reminded me of the challenges of researching the numerous spelling variations among my German ancestors. It brings to mind the question of who actually wrote the passenger list? Were they German or of another nationality? Were they literate or simply relied on phonetic spelling? If the person writing the passenger list was of another nationality, i.e. American, did he write what he THOUGHT he heard? It appears that is how many German names have gotten "mangled" at the start, not to mention the spelling that has changed over the years as spelling became more standardized. Just my two cents worth. Pat McCoy, M.S. Addiction Psychology Slow Down and Enjoy Your Garden! ============================================ ________________________________ From: Lenise Cook <lacook@deepbondi.net> To: hesse@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 6:49:51 PM Subject: [HESSE] Schellhausen/Schellnhausen/Zellhausen? The Hamburg passenger list gives "Schellhausen, Hessen" as the home town for my Great great grandfather Carl "Charles" Madel when he came to the U.S. in 1869. There does not seem to be a place named Schellhausen, so I am trying to figure out which films to order from the Family History library. After some thought and consultation with others, the two best choices we have come up with are Schellnhausen and Zellhausen. The closest place name would seem to be Schellnhausen, which I believe is in Gross Felda parish. In the Family search/FHL library catalog they list films from Gross Felda, however I only see Evangelical church and Jewish records, and the family was Catholic. For Zellhausen there are catholic church records listed in the, but this doesn't seem to be as close a match to the hometown as given on the passenger records. My questions are - In the experience of German speakers/German residents on the list, what are the chances that Schellhausen on the passenger list could be Zellhausen? Could it be Schellnhausen? If so, are there catholic church records available for that area and what would I look to find them? Thanks for any advice in forming a plan of attack as to which films would be the most likely to have what I am looking for. Lenise ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Hamburg passenger list gives "Schellhausen, Hessen" as the home town for my Great great grandfather Carl "Charles" Madel when he came to the U.S. in 1869. There does not seem to be a place named Schellhausen, so I am trying to figure out which films to order from the Family History library. After some thought and consultation with others, the two best choices we have come up with are Schellnhausen and Zellhausen. The closest place name would seem to be Schellnhausen, which I believe is in Gross Felda parish. In the Family search/FHL library catalog they list films from Gross Felda, however I only see Evangelical church and Jewish records, and the family was Catholic. For Zellhausen there are catholic church records listed in the, but this doesn't seem to be as close a match to the hometown as given on the passenger records. My questions are - In the experience of German speakers/German residents on the list, what are the chances that Schellhausen on the passenger list could be Zellhausen? Could it be Schellnhausen? If so, are there catholic church records available for that area and what would I look to find them? Thanks for any advice in forming a plan of attack as to which films would be the most likely to have what I am looking for. Lenise

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Hi everyone - thanks for the suggestions for the stocking knitter. When I broaden my search terms more I got some better results. Best Wishes, Anita

HI Everyone - I have several male ancestors with the occupation stocking knitter - in Romrod, near Alsfeld. I haven't been able to find anything on the internet about this occupation. Can someone enlighten me about what they did, income, etc.? Did they knit by hand or machine at that time? I can't read German so prefer and English site, but am interested in German language sites as well - I'll figure it out using google translate. Thanks, Anita

This link even includes pictures of the work being done with subtitles in English as well as German: http://www.german-hosiery-museum.de/industrie/bild_industrie-08.htm Bob Diegelman -----Original Message----- From: hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hesse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of anita.griffith@sympatico.ca Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:29 PM To: hesse@rootsweb.com Subject: [HESSE] occupation stocking knitter, 1750 HI Everyone - I have several male ancestors with the occupation stocking knitter - in Romrod, near Alsfeld. I haven't been able to find anything on the internet about this occupation. Can someone enlighten me about what they did, income, etc.? Did they knit by hand or machine at that time? I can't read German so prefer and English site, but am interested in German language sites as well - I'll figure it out using google translate. Thanks, Anita ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Probably they knitted by hand. Check out Industrial Revolution to see exactly when machines came into common use. In a message dated 5/14/2011 3:28:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, anita.griffith@sympatico.ca writes: HI Everyone - I have several male ancestors with the occupation stocking knitter - in Romrod, near Alsfeld. I haven't been able to find anything on the internet about this occupation. Can someone enlighten me about what they did, income, etc.? Did they knit by hand or machine at that time? I can't read German so prefer and English site, but am interested in German language sites as well - I'll figure it out using google translate. Thanks, Anita ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It's on the web. Google it. It was too much to put here. I'm enjoying reading about it so thanks for posting that. Very interesting & educational.

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