> Johann Georg Krebs came from Waldmichelbach/Hessen. He was born in > 1755. Married to Anna Barbara Muller on 19 November 1776. Anna was > born in Leimen on the date 24 April 1754. I would be interested in > contacting someone that knows the area or has contacts in the village > (area). Also, is there a Ortsfamilienbuch available for the village of > Waldmichelbach/Hessen or Leimen area? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hi Jeff, some years ago I went thru the catholic parish books of Wald Michelbach, LDS films http://makeashorterlink.com/?R496324D4 http://andorama.bei.t-online.de/wmliste.htm . there are also protestant ones. Do you know Johann Georg's religion? Ralf

Johann Georg Krebs came from Waldmichelbach/Hessen. He was born in 1755. Married to Anna Barbara Muller on 19 November 1776. Anna was born in Leimen on the date 24 April 1754. I would be interested in contacting someone that knows the area or has contacts in the village (area). Also, is there a Ortsfamilienbuch available for the village of Waldmichelbach/Hessen or Leimen area? Jeff Krebs E-mail: jeffkrebs@shaw.ca

On the other hand, I have a Hessian GG Grandfather that was Luthern who married a Catholic girl from Baden in a Civil Ceremony in Baltimore in 1840 and according to custom of the time, as I was told, the sons were raised Luthern and the daughters were raised Catholic, each sex in the religion of the parent. Moreover, in the four lines today, descendants of the sons are still protestant and descendants of the daughters are Catholic in the same Communities. C WEIDEMEYER

I have a case similar to yours where the family was raised Catholic, but the Father wasn't. ( At least evidence to date says he was a German Lutheran who married a Irish Catholic in the US). I would have a difficult time finding his grave if we didn't have a copy of his Obituary. It stated that he was buried in the Old German Lutheran Cemetery (which no longer exists under that name...) . However, by calling up all the Lutheran Cemeteries in the Town where they lived I was able to find him. -He died while on a business trip & his Death Certificate seems to be Missing In Action.- When I talked to the liberian at the Arch- Diocese about the appernt change in religion of this family, they said that at the time they had sign a form stating that all the children would be raised Catholic. If the didn't sign this contract, a non-Catholic & Catholic couldn't be married within the Catholic Church. I don't know the Lutheran Church would have had the same ruling on interfaith marriages, but it is something to look into. -Corrie wasieerick@milwpc.com wrote: >Re: Certainty of religion; just a thought on brick walls and pitfalls. >John Ilgen is thought to be Lutheran. This is a good starting point, but >... > >I have found that religion is one of those aspects about our ancestors that >might not match the current religion of the family. Marriages between >persons of different religions occur; sometimes people convert; sometimes >not, but they raise the children in the spouse's faith. I can only state >the religion of the person whose record I have in hand--but it may not match >the religion of a parent and of an older generation. > >Sometimes you need to look everywhere! I am still looking for the father of >a group whose religion was Catholic. I found the wife and most of the >children, but I cannot find his grave, the cemetery record, nor the church >death record. The children were baptized in a particular church; all their >records are here, with wonderful regularity, except for the death record of >the father. I know the exact date he died from the will of his wife. One of >the possibilities is to consider that he might have belonged to a different >religion. Another possibility is that something completely strange has >occurred and all records are lost. Who knows? > >I was fortunate that my parents knew of one place where a conversion >occurred and one where the man allowed his wife to raise the children in her >religion, or I might have looked for the graves of some of my ancestors >forever. In the latter case, he and his extended family rest in one >cemetery and she and hers in another. > >Dianne > > > > >

Can anyone help me translate the following: C S, frater parentis incola Mahrensis in Disecesi Riedeselioum ab Eisenbach. Tauffbaden = Taufpaten = godfather ? NC nonoviking@aol.com

Re: Certainty of religion; just a thought on brick walls and pitfalls. John Ilgen is thought to be Lutheran. This is a good starting point, but ... I have found that religion is one of those aspects about our ancestors that might not match the current religion of the family. Marriages between persons of different religions occur; sometimes people convert; sometimes not, but they raise the children in the spouse's faith. I can only state the religion of the person whose record I have in hand--but it may not match the religion of a parent and of an older generation. Sometimes you need to look everywhere! I am still looking for the father of a group whose religion was Catholic. I found the wife and most of the children, but I cannot find his grave, the cemetery record, nor the church death record. The children were baptized in a particular church; all their records are here, with wonderful regularity, except for the death record of the father. I know the exact date he died from the will of his wife. One of the possibilities is to consider that he might have belonged to a different religion. Another possibility is that something completely strange has occurred and all records are lost. Who knows? I was fortunate that my parents knew of one place where a conversion occurred and one where the man allowed his wife to raise the children in her religion, or I might have looked for the graves of some of my ancestors forever. In the latter case, he and his extended family rest in one cemetery and she and hers in another. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walker" <shuttle20032003@yahoo.com> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 7:33 PM Subject: [HESSE] JOHN ILGEN from HESSE-DARMSTADT > Hi, Y'all! > > Hope someone out there can help me. This family is turning out to be a brick wall! All I know at this point about John Ilgen is that he was born in (or around) 1825, married a lady by the name of Augusta Deickman, I think probably before he immigrated to the U.S. and that he was from Hesse-Darmstadt - or at least that was the place he listed on the census. Also, I am fairly certain they were Lutheran. > > If you think you may be descended from this man - or his wife - think you may have information on him/her/them or have any suggestions on how I might proceed, I would love to hear from you! > > Best to All, > Gayle Kloesel > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Postal Codes, How to Pay for Research, German Language > Letters, Archive Addresses, German Telephone directory, > http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm >

Hi, Y'all! Hope someone out there can help me. This family is turning out to be a brick wall! All I know at this point about John Ilgen is that he was born in (or around) 1825, married a lady by the name of Augusta Deickman, I think probably before he immigrated to the U.S. and that he was from Hesse-Darmstadt - or at least that was the place he listed on the census. Also, I am fairly certain they were Lutheran. If you think you may be descended from this man - or his wife - think you may have information on him/her/them or have any suggestions on how I might proceed, I would love to hear from you! Best to All, Gayle Kloesel --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.

Thanks to everyone that tried to help. Chris' advice below did the trick - seems I lost a week for no good reason. Dorene "Try pressing the F5 key or clicking the refresh button on your browser after getting the message - I suspect you are viewing the cached page from the first time the message came up. Hope this helps Cheers Chris Lloyd" --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

Now I am really confused. Here is what I get when I click on the url: We're sorry but Ancestry.com is temporarily unavailable. We are undergoing routine maintenance or we may be experiencing unexpected technical problems. We apologize for the inconvenience and ask for your patience as we work to correct the situation. Check back with us shortly. Why am I the only one not allowed in? Dorene --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

> ... my ggrandfather was born in Hefsic, Germany. Can anyone tell > me where this is or if it is spelled wrong, what it might be? ... > ... he stated he was from Eberstate, Darmstadt, Germany. > Ruth Hi Ruth, yes maybe a misspelling for Hessisch = hessian, as Carleton did propose. Otherwise the closest sounding place I can imagine is Heftrich east of Idstein: http://www.limesschule-idstein.de/doerfer.htm http://www.taunus-wetterau-limes.de/heftrich.htm There are at least 2 Eberstadt in former State of Hessen-Darmstadt http://www.horlacher.org/germany/gazetteer/hessend2.htm . Eberstadt Part of: Darmstadt GKZ : 06 4 11 000 County : | | +---- Darmstadt {DA} (kreisfrei/independent) RegBez : | +------- Darmstadt Land : +--------- Hessen ZIP : 642?? Locat : (Darmstadt) 49d52m N 8d39m E Eberstadt (Kreis Gießen) Part of: Lich GKZ : 06 5 31 011 County : | | +---- Gießen {GI} RegBez : | +------- Gießen Land : +--------- Hessen ZIP : 35423 Locat : (Lich) 50d31m N 8d49m E To find out which one it could be helpful to know the surname. Greetings, Ralf

Dorene- I just got off it and it appears to work as well as it ever has. Are you referring to some specific sub-section or search method? Rob Hausman At 02:28 PM 8/11/2003 -0500, Dorene L. Kaiser wrote: >Hi, > >Does anyone know what happened to Ancestry.com? It has been almost a week >now that they have been off. Has me "chomping at the bit" to get in and >do research. > >Dorene > >--- >[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > >==== HESSE Mailing List ==== >Many towns in Germany have the same name! Add the 5-digit >zip code in front of the name! Zip codes explained, >http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Robert E. Hausman hausman@bu.edu www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/a/u/Robert-E-Hausman/index.html HAUSMANN, ROUSSELET, HEERE, LAUBER, LATUS

Hi, Does anyone know what happened to Ancestry.com? It has been almost a week now that they have been off. Has me "chomping at the bit" to get in and do research. Dorene --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

Hi, Shirley at bobert@i-1.net here. Many, Many "thanks" to all of your for your good messages and suggestions. Remembering all your helpful hints and suggestions will help me sort out this mixed up 'roots' family history on LAFFARD/LEFFORD surname. Have great days and peaceful nights!

Hessen-Kassel or (Hessen-Cassel) used to be a dukedom with the city of Kassel (or Cassel) as its capital. It has nothing to do with Alsace Lorraine which is a few hundred km to the southwest. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "bobert" <bobert@i-1.net> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 7:16 AM Subject: [HESSE] CASSEL/CASTLE > Hi - I've a question. There is a cousin in our family who thinks the > Immigrant Ancestor was born in Hessen Castle, Alsace Lorraine. My > question has to do with the words Hessen Castle as opposed to Hessen > Cassel - I think this cousin has these terms mixed up. The Immigrant > Ancestor was a tailor and could well have worked in the castle, but I > don't know that he would have been born in the castle, rather than in > the town around it. Another stretch of the 'imagination' is that the > ancestor met a "princess of the castle" and eventually married her. > That just does not ring true - and I don't mean to imply that it is a > lie by the cousin - just that it doesn't ring true. I think it is a > 'story' that has been handed down by family members with no real proof. > > Do any of you know of a website where the castle at Hessen might be in a > picture? I've tried searching and have found nothing. > > Thanks for taking the time to read and respond - and I am open to ideas > regarding the above. > > Have a great week ahead! Shirley: bobert@i-1.net > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Postal Codes, How to Pay for Research, German Language > Letters, Archive Addresses, German Telephone directory, > http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm > >

There are a number of castles in Hessen but not one known as Hessen-Castle or the Hessen castle. There might be a castle in Alsace-Lorraine that bears a name similar to "Hessen." Hessen and Alsace-Lorraine are entirely separate. Hesse is in Germany while Alsace-Lorraine is on the other side of the Rhine in France. Cassel is a city in Hessen formerly the capital of the Electorate of Hesse (Kurhessen) which was often referred to as Hessen-Cassel to distinguish it from Hessen-Darmstadt, or the grandduchy of Hessen with its capital at Darmstadt. It very much sounds as though this story has been severely garbled in the telling and needs a good deal of research in order to straighten out. David Rorer ----- Original Message ----- From: "bobert" <bobert@i-1.net> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 1:16 AM Subject: [HESSE] CASSEL/CASTLE > Hi - I've a question. There is a cousin in our family who thinks the > Immigrant Ancestor was born in Hessen Castle, Alsace Lorraine. My > question has to do with the words Hessen Castle as opposed to Hessen > Cassel - I think this cousin has these terms mixed up. The Immigrant > Ancestor was a tailor and could well have worked in the castle, but I > don't know that he would have been born in the castle, rather than in > the town around it. Another stretch of the 'imagination' is that the > ancestor met a "princess of the castle" and eventually married her. > That just does not ring true - and I don't mean to imply that it is a > lie by the cousin - just that it doesn't ring true. I think it is a > 'story' that has been handed down by family members with no real proof. > > Do any of you know of a website where the castle at Hessen might be in a > picture? I've tried searching and have found nothing. > > Thanks for taking the time to read and respond - and I am open to ideas > regarding the above. > > Have a great week ahead! Shirley: bobert@i-1.net > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Postal Codes, How to Pay for Research, German Language > Letters, Archive Addresses, German Telephone directory, > http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm >

I think it was read incorrectly. In old Script the double S looks like an F. The place is HESSIA or HESSEN CLW

I have found that many people born in Hesse-Darmstadt, migrated to Alsace-Lorraine, and then to the US many years later. This could be part of the mix-up. Carole ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rorer" <drorer@fuse.net> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 6:20 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] CASSEL/CASTLE > There are a number of castles in Hessen but not one known as Hessen-Castle or the Hessen > castle. There might be a castle in Alsace-Lorraine that bears a name similar to "Hessen." > Hessen and Alsace-Lorraine are entirely separate. Hesse is in Germany while > Alsace-Lorraine is on the other side of the Rhine in France. > Cassel is a city in Hessen formerly the capital of the Electorate of Hesse (Kurhessen) > which was often referred to as Hessen-Cassel to distinguish it from Hessen-Darmstadt, or > the grandduchy of Hessen with its capital at Darmstadt. > > It very much sounds as though this story has been severely garbled in the telling and > needs a good deal of research in order to straighten out. > > David Rorer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bobert" <bobert@i-1.net> > To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 1:16 AM > Subject: [HESSE] CASSEL/CASTLE > > > > Hi - I've a question. There is a cousin in our family who thinks the > > Immigrant Ancestor was born in Hessen Castle, Alsace Lorraine. My > > question has to do with the words Hessen Castle as opposed to Hessen > > Cassel - I think this cousin has these terms mixed up. The Immigrant > > Ancestor was a tailor and could well have worked in the castle, but I > > don't know that he would have been born in the castle, rather than in > > the town around it. Another stretch of the 'imagination' is that the > > ancestor met a "princess of the castle" and eventually married her. > > That just does not ring true - and I don't mean to imply that it is a > > lie by the cousin - just that it doesn't ring true. I think it is a > > 'story' that has been handed down by family members with no real proof. > > > > Do any of you know of a website where the castle at Hessen might be in a > > picture? I've tried searching and have found nothing. > > > > Thanks for taking the time to read and respond - and I am open to ideas > > regarding the above. > > > > Have a great week ahead! Shirley: bobert@i-1.net > > > > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > > Postal Codes, How to Pay for Research, German Language > > Letters, Archive Addresses, German Telephone directory, > > http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm > > > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Postal Codes, How to Pay for Research, German Language > Letters, Archive Addresses, German Telephone directory, > http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm >

Hi - I've a question. There is a cousin in our family who thinks the Immigrant Ancestor was born in Hessen Castle, Alsace Lorraine. My question has to do with the words Hessen Castle as opposed to Hessen Cassel - I think this cousin has these terms mixed up. The Immigrant Ancestor was a tailor and could well have worked in the castle, but I don't know that he would have been born in the castle, rather than in the town around it. Another stretch of the 'imagination' is that the ancestor met a "princess of the castle" and eventually married her. That just does not ring true - and I don't mean to imply that it is a lie by the cousin - just that it doesn't ring true. I think it is a 'story' that has been handed down by family members with no real proof. Do any of you know of a website where the castle at Hessen might be in a picture? I've tried searching and have found nothing. Thanks for taking the time to read and respond - and I am open to ideas regarding the above. Have a great week ahead! Shirley: bobert@i-1.net

In the marriage record I just received from N.Y. City for 1862 it states my ggrandfather was born in Hefsic, Germany. Can anyone tell me where this is or if it is spelled wrong, what it might be? Thanks for any help you can give me. In his Civil War service record he stated he was from Eberstate, Darmstadt, Germany. Ruth

writes: > > << I have an ancestor born 1682 in Riga who is supposed to decend from an old > noble family, Winter zu Fronkirchen, probably from the Darmstadt area in > Hessen. Does anyone know where on the map Fronkirchen is or were situated? >> > > There is a Frauenkirchen in Austria. Was this name printed out in a book or > elsewhere? If it's a passed-down story, perhaps the name has been corrupted. > Places that you perhaps should explore: Fraenkisch Crumbach, east of the city of > Darmstadt, in Odenwaldkreis. And, there are a couple of places called > Feldkirchen in Bayern. > > Dona Ritchie > Since the family name is given as "Winter zu Fronkirchen" it is probable that "zu Fronkirchen" is an estate and Winter is the family name. The rules for "von" and "zu" when included in a name are: "von" indicates the estate that the family name was derived from "zu" indicates that the family holds and occupies the estate. "von and zu" indicates that the family is of the lesser ranks of the nobility and is occupying the estate that its name is derived from. "Fronkirchen" may not be the name of a town at all therefore you need to research the family farther to find out where its seat was.