I need to find a new researcher to do research for me at the Lutheran church archives in Kassel and at the Marburg archive. The individual that has done research for me over the past several years no longer has the time to do research on a regular basis. I would appreciate any recommendations that members of the list can provide me. One of my requirements is that they be accessible via the Internet and that they can speak English as I cannot speak German. Thanks, Elvin Pippert

I have posted a message before asking for any information on the surname LULY and am hoping still that someone can give me information. I have that they came to the US a little after 1850, his name was Lenhart LULY. I show him married to Catherine WAGONER, WAGGNER, WAGNER, either before they left or in St. Lewis later or maybe Alton, Ill. LULY could be LULIE, LULI. I have not been able to find what port he left from or came to , they lived in St Louis and then Alton, ILL. He was born in Hesse D in 1823. I have no idea how to find out what town? Thank You sue

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> One of the topics on a recent Hesse-D Digest Vol 3, No 201 was a request > for a lookup on genealogy.com CD "Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, > 1500s-1900s". I am wondering if anyone > has this CD rom and could do a look up for me On this same thread---- around 1850 the Weippert (WEIPERT) families would have immigrated. Can anyone locate George Weippert b. 1815married to Elizabeth Domer b. 1816. Or a John Domer b. 1824 (or Heinrich Johann Dohmer)and his wife Elizabeth. Thanks for any help on this immigration. By 1853 and 1855 these 2 families had children born in Pennsylvania. Margaret in Maryland, USA

If that passenger list might possibly include immigrants out of Bavaria I would very much be interested if it might include Adam Scheller and his wife Eva Dorothy. They came to the US prior to 1848. Thanks for any help you may be able to offer. Ray Scheller

One of the topics on a recent Hesse-D Digest Vol 3, No 201 was a request for a lookup on genealogy.com CD "Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s". I am wondering if anyone has this CD rom and could do a look up for me. I am looking for four Kehl brothers and sisters who came from Storndorf Germany, Kreis Alsfelt and they were Andrew (born 1829), Adam (b. Jan 1832), Mary (b. May 1826), and Margaretha (born Aug. 26, 1837) or anything close and they came between 1854 and 1857 and someone found me the reference one time for a Margaretha Kehl from Hesse Darmstadt who was age 16 or 17 and traveling with a number of other young women and one older woman and they left the port of LeHavre and came to New Orleans and I recall it was 1854 but I could be off. Foolishly I lost the e-mail. Betty Richardson HESSE-D Digest Volume 03 : Issue 201 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [HESSE] "Passenger and Immigration [ron heiskell > <acc10@mindspring.com] #2 Re: [HESSE] "Passenger and Immigra > [PHSchue@aol.com] > #3 Re: [HESSE] "Passenger and Immigra [ron heiskell > <acc10@mindspring.com] #4 [HESSE] Passenger list CD lookup > [JParr18031@aol.com] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from HESSE-D, send a message to > HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com > that contains in the body of the message the command > unsubscribe > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. NEVER hit your > reply button to unsubscribe. > > Web Site for HESSEN, GERMANY, is at > http://members.cox.net/hessen/index.htm > > Many towns in Germany have the same name! Add the 5-digit > zip code in front of the name! Zip codes explained, > http://members.cox.net/hessen/index.htm > > To unsubscribe or to look for old messages, go to: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/HESSE.html > > > > ______________________________

One of the topics on a recent Hesse-D Digest Vol 3, No 201 was a request for a lookup on genealogy.com CD "Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s". I am wondering if anyone has this CD rom and could do a look up for me. I am looking for four Kehl brothers and sisters who came from Storndorf Germany, Kreis Alsfelt and they were Andrew (born 1829), Adam (b. Jan 1832), Mary (b. May 1826), and Margaretha (born Aug. 26, 1837) or anything close and they came between 1854 and 1857 and someone found me the reference one time for a Margaretha Kehl from Hesse Darmstadt who was age 16 or 17 and traveling with a number of other young women and one older woman and they left the port of LeHavre and came to New Orleans and I recall it was 1854 but I could be off. Foolishly I lost the e-mail. HESSE-D Digest Volume 03 : Issue 201 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [HESSE] "Passenger and Immigration [ron heiskell > <acc10@mindspring.com] #2 Re: [HESSE] "Passenger and Immigra > [PHSchue@aol.com] > #3 Re: [HESSE] "Passenger and Immigra [ron heiskell > <acc10@mindspring.com] #4 [HESSE] Passenger list CD lookup > [JParr18031@aol.com] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from HESSE-D, send a message to > HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com > that contains in the body of the message the command > unsubscribe > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. NEVER hit your > reply button to unsubscribe. > > Web Site for HESSEN, GERMANY, is at > http://members.cox.net/hessen/index.htm > > Many towns in Germany have the same name! Add the 5-digit > zip code in front of the name! Zip codes explained, > http://members.cox.net/hessen/index.htm > > To unsubscribe or to look for old messages, go to: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/HESSE.html > > > > ______________________________

Dear Pete or anyone who might, My Wilbar ancestors apparently immigrated from Germany to Brighton, England. My third great grandparents came to the states in the 1790s and settled in Alexandria, VA. If it is not too much trouble would you be so kind as to look and see if there is record of them in ship's passenger lists. I believe that Henry came first and established a home for his family. His first ad in a newspaper, in Alexandria, VA, advertising his school for young ladies was on 3/4/1793. Henry Wilbar Christened 9/24/1764 Sarah Trulock Wilbar born abt. 1763 Children: Mary Ann Wilbar christened 12/22/1788 Sarah Trulock Wilbar christened 8/16/1790 Henry Coleman Wilbar christened 2/12/1792 - may have died in England or on ship John Thomas Octavius Wilbar born 6/10/1793 Sincerely, Julie Parrish

Jan, Here's what I found (not on a CD but my online Genealogy.com). Hope it helps. Pete J. G. Wesenborn found in: Census Records: Ontario, Canada, 1871 District: Wellington Center Sub-district: Elora Village Birth year range: 1838-1839 Age: 32 Gender: Male Birthplace: Germany Ethnic origin: German Religious affiliation: Roman Catholic Occupation: Cooper Microfilm roll #: C-9946 Page: 33 Head of household comment: This person is listed as a head of household. J. G. Wesenborn found in: Passenger and Immigration Index, 1500s-1900s Place: Ontario Year: 1871 Age: 32 Primary immigrant: Wesenborn, J. G. Permanent entry number: 3189875 Accession number: 7468047 Source publication code: 1823.33 Source publication page number: 273 Source publication: ELLIOTT, BRUCE S. Index to the 1871 Census of Ontario: Wellington. Toronto: Ontario Genealogical Society, 1989, 284p. Source annotation: Date and place of census. Census records extracted from microfilms at the National Archives of Canada. Sex of the immigrant, place of birth, religion, ethnicity, occupation, and district, subdistrict, division, and page number of record in census are also provided. Source: Passenger and Immigration Lists Index

Dear Lynn in Fl and Pete, Thank you both for your kindness in responding with the lookup info for me. Unfortunately, this isn't the "J. Wesenborn" I was hoping it might be. I'm looking for my g g grandfather, John Wiesenborn b. 1823 Sonnenberg, Germany who came to the US through the Port of New Orleans, LA about 1837-1839, settling in Illinois. Thanks again to you both! Jan

Dear List Members, If someone has access to the genealogy.com CD "Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s", could I please have a lookup for: J. G. WESENBORN Thank you very much in advance for your time and willingness to help. Jan Heiskell

Hello Hessens, I was wondering if someone could help me with some information or advice. My direct ancestor was a "Gastwirt" (Innkeeper) in the mid 1500s. I have gathered enough information on him but I am looking for a drawing or illustration of what a 16th century Gastwirt may have looked like or his dress. If anyone can shed some light on this I would sure appreciate it. I recently came across his seal (Petschaft) which features his initials and an old attempt of a drawing of an ostrich. He was the Innkeeper at the "ZUM Strauß" (Inn of the Ostrich.) Thanks for your time, Gerald KIsabeth Canton, Michigan _________________________________________________________________ High-speed Internet access as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). Click here. https://broadband.msn.com

I have found a case (in Illinois) where the godparents were married but the wife was listed under her maiden name. I also have cases where engaged couples served as godparents. But in the old (1800-1850) German (Catholic) church records I have looked at, the list of sponsors was sometimes quite long (sometimes as many as 6 sponsors) and included individual men and married couples but never, as far as I could see, an individual woman. On Monday, September 15, 2003, at 09:45 PM, REW111@aol.com wrote: > I am researching a German ancestor, Michael Keitzer (or Keutzer) who > emigrated to America from Frischborn, Hesse in the 1830s. He settled > in a German > Catholic community in Seneca County, Ohio. While I was reviewing the > church > records from the 1830s to the 1870s, I noticed that the godparents or > baptismal > sponsors were usually not related to each other, or in many cases not > even to the > parents of the child. This differs from today's custom in the USA, > where > parents usually ask a married couple to represent their child at the > baptism. > > I am trying to discover if the choosing of unrelated sponsors is a > German > custom, or perhaps just a 19th century custom that has since changed > over time. > And what was the rationale used to choose sponsors back then? Any > thoughts > would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Bob Wallace > Columbus, Ohio USA > > > > > > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Postal Codes, How to Pay for Research, German Language > Letters, Archive Addresses, German Telephone directory, > http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm

I've found (here in Pittsburgh in Lutheran (German) church records), grandparents, aunts, uncles and friends. Have not really found a distinct pattern. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorene L. Kaiser" <countryemu@c-magic.com> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Choosing Baptismal Sponsors > In my MO Synod Lutheran German family, it seems that they usually took > one grandparent and one or two aunts/uncles. The child then was given > their names as middle names. They never used couples and they were > always members of the congregation or at least the same faith. By the > time my siblings had children they only used aunts or uncles . By the > time my nieces and nephews had children they started using friends who > were not members of the church. Defeats the purpose in my book but not > my choice. Anyway, that is how it went in my family. > Dorene in MO > > REW111@aol.com wrote: > > >I am trying to discover if the choosing of unrelated sponsors is a German > >custom, or perhaps just a 19th century custom that has since changed over time. > >And what was the rationale used to choose sponsors back then? Any thoughts > >would be appreciated. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Bob Wallace > >Columbus, Ohio USA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > >Postal Codes, How to Pay for Research, German Language > >Letters, Archive Addresses, German Telephone directory, > >http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm > > > >--- > >[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Many towns in Germany have the same name! Add the 5-digit > zip code in front of the name! Zip codes explained, > http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm >

In my MO Synod Lutheran German family, it seems that they usually took one grandparent and one or two aunts/uncles. The child then was given their names as middle names. They never used couples and they were always members of the congregation or at least the same faith. By the time my siblings had children they only used aunts or uncles . By the time my nieces and nephews had children they started using friends who were not members of the church. Defeats the purpose in my book but not my choice. Anyway, that is how it went in my family. Dorene in MO REW111@aol.com wrote: >I am trying to discover if the choosing of unrelated sponsors is a German >custom, or perhaps just a 19th century custom that has since changed over time. >And what was the rationale used to choose sponsors back then? Any thoughts >would be appreciated. > >Thanks, > >Bob Wallace >Columbus, Ohio USA > > > > > > > >==== HESSE Mailing List ==== >Postal Codes, How to Pay for Research, German Language >Letters, Archive Addresses, German Telephone directory, >http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm > >--- >[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > > > --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

Bob- Here are some of situations that I have encountered in my family research regarding baptismal sponsors during the 19th century. In one case, the grandmothers were chosen. Another time one grandmother and a person of unknown relationship. Sometimes, one or two people of unknown relationship were chosen. In one case, an unmarried couple who later got married were chosen for my gg grandmother. Then, one of their daughters was chosen for my great-grandfather's baptismal sponsor. In addition, my great-grandfather was named after the uncle and grandfather of his baptismal sponsor. I am trying to make a connection to this family and mine. I have noticed that many times the child was named after the baptismal sponsors. BTW, my ancestors were Evangelical or Lutheran. And to make myself clear, when I say unknown relationship, I mean that I have not found the person to be a blood relation. So maybe they are and maybe they are not, I do not know. These are just my family. Others on the list probably have different experiences. Andrea ----- Original Message ----- From: <REW111@aol.com> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 8:45 PM Subject: [HESSE] Choosing Baptismal Sponsors > I am researching a German ancestor, Michael Keitzer (or Keutzer) who > emigrated to America from Frischborn, Hesse in the 1830s. He settled in a German > Catholic community in Seneca County, Ohio. While I was reviewing the church > records from the 1830s to the 1870s, I noticed that the godparents or baptismal > sponsors were usually not related to each other, or in many cases not even to the > parents of the child. This differs from today's custom in the USA, where > parents usually ask a married couple to represent their child at the baptism. > > I am trying to discover if the choosing of unrelated sponsors is a German > custom, or perhaps just a 19th century custom that has since changed over time. > And what was the rationale used to choose sponsors back then? Any thoughts > would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Bob Wallace > Columbus, Ohio USA > > > > > > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Postal Codes, How to Pay for Research, German Language > Letters, Archive Addresses, German Telephone directory, > http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm >

I am researching a German ancestor, Michael Keitzer (or Keutzer) who emigrated to America from Frischborn, Hesse in the 1830s. He settled in a German Catholic community in Seneca County, Ohio. While I was reviewing the church records from the 1830s to the 1870s, I noticed that the godparents or baptismal sponsors were usually not related to each other, or in many cases not even to the parents of the child. This differs from today's custom in the USA, where parents usually ask a married couple to represent their child at the baptism. I am trying to discover if the choosing of unrelated sponsors is a German custom, or perhaps just a 19th century custom that has since changed over time. And what was the rationale used to choose sponsors back then? Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks, Bob Wallace Columbus, Ohio USA

For those of you out there who need to know, we're no longer at AOL. Our new e-mail address is: newtross@wowway.com Thanks for correcting your listing Researching in HESSEN: Bäcker, Colonius, Dechant, Grimmel, Holzhausen, Heyl/Heil, Hilch, Happel, Honsdorf, Marcoloff, Nieß/Neesen, Wallauer, and many others Dave and Carol Ross

Hello Listers, In St. Clair County, Illinois, USA siedelten ab ca. 1850 die Dietz aus Rohrbach, die Volkszählung von 1860 nennt New Athens als ihren Wohnsitz. Forscht jemand zu den Dietz aus Rohrbach? Gerne erführe ich mehr! 1. John George DIETZ (g.1817-Rohrbach,Hessen-Darmstadt;t.24.10.18??-St. Clair Co.,IL,USA) SE: Catherine LOOS (g.16 Okt 1809-Groß Karlbach;t.08 Sep 1888-New Athens,St. Clair Co.,IL,USA) 2. Maria DIETZ (g.25 Apr 1840-Twelve Mile Prairie,NE of New Athens,IL,USA) 2. Catherine DIETZ (g.1845) SE: Conrad SPITZ (h.05 Nov 1863) 2. Henry DIETZ (g.1836) SE: Margaretha WEBER (h.01 Okt 1863) 2. Maria DIETZ (t.22 Sep 1914-New Athens,St. Clair Co.,IL,USA) SE: Johann BAEHR 3. John BAEHR 3. Karl August BAEHR 3. Emile BAEHR 3. Bertha BAEHR SE: nn männlich TRAUT SE: Fred ALHEIM 2. John Frederick DIETZ (g.1845-Rohrbach,Hessen-Darmstadt) SE: Barbara ARNOLD (g.25 Feb 1836-Ermanshausen,Franken;t.03 Feb 1873-Lenzburg Township,St. Clair Co.,IL,USA) 3. George DIETZ (g.1856-Lenzburg Township,St. Clair Co.,IL,USA;t.1860-Lenzburg Township,St. Clair Co.,IL,USA) 3. Maria Dora DIETZ (g.17 Okt 1858-Lenzburg Township,St. Clair Co.,IL,USA;t.12 Sep 1873-Lenzburg Township,St. Clair Co.,IL,USA) 3. Frederick DIETZ (g.10 Okt 1861-Lenzburg Township,St. Clair Co.,IL,USA) 3. Philipp DIETZ (g.29 Nov 1863-Lenzburg Township,St. Clair Co.,IL,USA) 3. William M DIETZ (g.09 Okt 1870-Lenzburg Township,St. Clair Co.,IL,USA) 3. Catherine Pauline DIETZ (g.22 Nov 1872-Lenzburg Township,St. Clair Co.,IL,USA;t.05 Aug 1873-Lenzburg Township,SCC,IL,USA) SE: Dora Sophia WEIDNER VERW MÜLLER (g.1845-Germany;h.11 Mai 1874) 3. Mary Kathryn DIETZ (g.04 Apr 1875-Lenzburg Township,St. Clair Co.,IL,USA) 3. Loui August DIETZ (g.19 Aug 1878-Lenzburg Township,St. Clair Co.,IL,USA) 3. Louisa (Lucy) DIETZ (g.12 Jan 1880-Royalton,Franklin Co.,IL,USA) 3. Anna DIETZ (g.30 Nov 1882-De Soto,Jackson Co.,IL,USA) 3. Mathilda DIETZ (g.30 Nov 1882-De Soto,Jackson Co.,IL,USA) 3. George DIETZ (g.18 Mai 1885-De Soto,Jackson Co.,IL,USA) 3. Benjamin DIETZ (g.1886-De Soto,Jackson Co.,IL,USA) Herzlichen Dank für Hilfe, gregor winkelhahn -- kind regards! schöne grüße! mailto:winkelhannes@gmx.de

Hello Listers, bei der Suche nach den Dietz in Alton, Madison Co., Illinois, USA finde ich unter anderem Philipp Dietz und seine Familie. Als Geburtsort für Philipp Dietz ist "Hessen-Darmstadt" angegeben. Woher mögen diese Dietz gekommen sein? Hat möglicherweise jemand ausgewanderte Dietz-Familien und ihre Vorfahren in Hessen (-Darmstadt) in seiner Datenbank? Philip DEITZ (g.<1833>-Hessen-Darmstadt) oo Minie DEITZ (g.<1836>-Illinois ?) Kind: George DEITZ (g.<1866>-Illinois ?) Kind: Rebecca DEITZ (g.<1868>-Illinois) Kind: Henry DEITZ (g.<1869>-Illinois) Kind: John DEITZ (g.<1875>-Illinois) Kind: Samuel DEITZ (g.<1877>-Illinois) Quellen: 1) 1868 Alton City Directory "Dietz, Phillip, farmer, residence, south side 2d between Henry and Ridge" 2) 1874 Alton City Directory "Dietz, Phillip, Labourer, res. Cherry, bet. 2d and 3d." 3) 1891 Alton City Directory "Dietz, Phillip, Labourer, r, wks IL Glass Wks" 4) 1880 United States Census, Census Place: Alton, Madison, Illinois Source: FHL Film 1254233; National Archives Film T9-0233; Page 87A Household: Rel Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Philip DEITZ Self Male M W 47 GERMANY HESSE-D Fa: HESSE-D Mo: HESSE-D Minnie DEITZ Wife Female M W 44 IL Fa: --- Mo: --- George DEITZ Son Male S W 14 IL Fa: --- Mo: --- Rebecca DEITZ Dau Female S W 12 IL Fa: --- Mo: --- Henry DEITZ Son Male S W 11 IL Fa: --- Mo: --- John DEITZ Son Male S W 5 IL Fa: --- Mo: --- Samuel DEITZ Son Male S W 3 IL Fa: --- Mo: ---." Herzlichen Dank für Hilfe! -- kind regards! schöne grüße! gregor winkelhahn winkelhannes@gmx.de Sunday, September 14, 2003