In a message dated 10/21/2003 3:49:27 AM Central Daylight Time, bdoerr@rollanet.org writes: > It was Sep-Oct > and we had no lodging or restaurant plans. We always found nice lodging and > the food was great. The weather was awful. Well Bob, we went at the end of Sept. and into Oct. and the weather was tremendous. Couldn't have asked for any better. We did do some sight-seeing, but visited our ancestral towns also. That is why we opted to drive through Germany. Between our week in Austria and the week in Germany, we even made a day and a half trip to Vienna, where we attending Mass and heard the Vienna Boys Choir. Then we took an overnight train to Venice, stayed the day sight-seeing, and then took the night train into Munich. That was a fantastic experience. What towns/villages in Heese are your ancestors from? Lea in KCMO Researching - Ripper, VonderHaar, Cirtautas, Gerst, Blumfelder, Mueller Hoelzer

Hi, Bob. <<The weather was awful>> Depends on where you come from :) It's awful again right now, and will most likely stay like this for the rest of the year. But we have had the greatest summer of all times to make up for it :) Heinz

We have been to Germany and Luxembourg many times and always in October. Without exception we have found good accommodations, nice people and only one bad weather year. We hope to go again next April and hope we will be lucky with the spring weather. Arlene Shoemaker

In a message dated 10/20/2003 11:01:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > We are looking not for the sort of guidebook that > focuses on accommodations, eating places, and > transportation, but something more informative about > the places: history, geography, culture, economics, etc. > Also would appreciate advice about a German "phrase > book" for folks utterly ignorant of the German language > but hoping to not embarrass ourselves entirely. Try going to WWW. name of village .DE e.g. <A HREF="www.wetzlar.de">www.wetzlar.de</A> <A HREF="www.mannheim.de">www.mannheim.de</A> Some of the villages do convert to English-language pages, as does Wetzlar. At the very least, you can see photos of various places such as the Rathaus (city hall) and other sites in the cities or villages. Their tourist bureau on-line has some good links and info also <A HREF="http://www.germany-tourism.de/">http://www.germany-tourism.de/</A> ENJOY and try with any village or city name in the "middle" of the url. Margie in FL

Can anybody tell me if the present day ESSEN is the same as ESSENHEIM back in the 1700's. Thank you Doris Barben DBarben@aol.com

In '98, we did it differently. We rented a car from Kemwell in upstate New York, flew to Frankfurt, picked up the car hassle-free, drove to all of our intended places, returned the car at Frankfurt and flew home. It was Sep-Oct and we had no lodging or restaurant plans. We always found nice lodging and the food was great. The weather was awful. Having previously seen the cities, we visited ancestral towns and cousins, but never stayed with any of them. It was not a research trip. Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks Please see http://www.rollanet.org/~bdoerr/contents.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: <MomRip@aol.com> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 12:47 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Towns in Hesse > In a message dated 10/20/2003 9:29:33 AM Central Daylight Time, > elsavorwerk@mindspring.com writes: > > > We are planning a trip to Germany in May > First off, go to Google and enter into SEARCH the name of the town (do each > one individually). You should get many hits on most of them and if they have a > web site, that will show. > We went to Germany back in '94 and had a grand trip. I planned it and booked > it all on my own and we were completely satisfied. If you stay with the > larger Hotels, Restaurants, on the main streets, etc. you will find many that have > their menus in German and English, as well as having employees who speak > English. The German people are well educated. > We flew into Frankfurt, took the train to Munich, picked up a rental car and > drove to Austria where we had a timeshare booked for a week. At the end of > our week we drove back to Munich, turned in our car, took the train to Mannheim > and got another rental which we drove through Germany for a week, ending up in > Frankfurt, for our flight home. The hotels were thoroughly modern as far as > their amenities, etc. We had all the necessary comforts of home. We made use > of a laundromat, grocery stores, local bakeries and deli. Great Food! > Contact the Country's Visitor's/Tourist Bureau for Maps & Info. > Lea in KCMO > Researching - Ripper, VonderHaar, Cirtautas, Gerst, Blumfelder, Mueller, > > > Hoelzer > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/HESSE.html > to unsubscribe > >

In a message dated 10/20/2003 9:29:33 AM Central Daylight Time, elsavorwerk@mindspring.com writes: > We are planning a trip to Germany in May First off, go to Google and enter into SEARCH the name of the town (do each one individually). You should get many hits on most of them and if they have a web site, that will show. We went to Germany back in '94 and had a grand trip. I planned it and booked it all on my own and we were completely satisfied. If you stay with the larger Hotels, Restaurants, on the main streets, etc. you will find many that have their menus in German and English, as well as having employees who speak English. The German people are well educated. We flew into Frankfurt, took the train to Munich, picked up a rental car and drove to Austria where we had a timeshare booked for a week. At the end of our week we drove back to Munich, turned in our car, took the train to Mannheim and got another rental which we drove through Germany for a week, ending up in Frankfurt, for our flight home. The hotels were thoroughly modern as far as their amenities, etc. We had all the necessary comforts of home. We made use of a laundromat, grocery stores, local bakeries and deli. Great Food! Contact the Country's Visitor's/Tourist Bureau for Maps & Info. Lea in KCMO Researching - Ripper, VonderHaar, Cirtautas, Gerst, Blumfelder, Mueller, Hoelzer

Hello, Friends on the Hesse List ~ We are planning a trip to Germany in May and would like to learn all possible about the homeplaces of our family. I am hoping for some suggestions of some books or guides (English language) that would give good information about any of the following areas: Undenheim Biebelnheim Sankt Johann Spiesheim Selzen Oppenheim Speyer Wetzlar Also, Mannheim Schwetzingen Machtolheim We are looking not for the sort of guidebook that focuses on accommodations, eating places, and transportation, but something more informative about the places: history, geography, culture, economics, etc. Also would appreciate advice about a German "phrase book" for folks utterly ignorant of the German language but hoping to not embarrass ourselves entirely. I'll be grateful for any suggestions, ~ Elsa in Allegany County, Maryland Researching in Rheinhessen: Baltz/Dexheimer/Ebert/ Finckernauer/Hofmann/Jung/Kaemerer/Laubenheimer/ Manz/Nunius/Schems/Schoembs/Schumann/Seemann/Treidel

Hal, her name was in fact Volmer (or Vollmer). the "in" or "ien" was just added to her last name to indicate a female. Heinz

We have now a scholar who looks at the scribbles in our 1851 church record and says the last name is VOLMERIN. Elsewhere it is suggested that Elisabeth VOLMERIEN may have - not proven -come from Dillenburg, Dutch of Nassau, Germany. Has anyone seen this name in Philadelphia or Nassau? In the early to mid 1800's. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The above refers to the marriage of Michael Egolf and Elizabeth Volmerin - in their home - as recorded in the records of Philadelphia's St Michael's October 14, 1751.

Hi Brian You mention searching for old German Passports. Maybe you have been advised by LDS by now but, if not, have a look at the LDS catalogue and in "keyword search" type in "Reisepasse-Protokolle - 1851-1929 and check the film notes. You will find the numbers of films which you can order from LDS. These are copies of applications for passports which include place of birth, age, occupation or profession, physical description, and various other information (in German). I have looked at some for 1855/56 and was most interested to find the signature of the applicants. Hope this may help your search. Sylvia - Melbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "hamman" <hammanx6@mindspring.com> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 5:15 AM Subject: RE: [HESSE] birth records/emigration > ? I am contacting the LDS to see if they > have any suggestions as to which microfilms I should order. I also plan to > call the Hessen Darmstadt Archives in Germany to see if they have copies of > old passports, > > Brian > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mml45@aol.com [mailto:Mml45@aol.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 4:37 AM > To: hammanx6@mindspring.com; HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HESSE] immigration > > > Hello Brian and Everyone, > > Yes I too am searching to find a town for my ancestors who immigrated > from Hesse-Darmstadt---about the 1845-1852 time. > > I am searching the WEIPPERT (WEIPERT) who I know were born in Wernges > which is in the Lauterbach district. (Near Fulda). > > Now the tricky part is my line of WEIPPERT married a DOMER(DOHMER, > DAHMER) who is also from Hesse-Darmstadt.... Can't find the Domer > family of the right time period anywhere. I have even traveled to the > village of Wernges. > I have searched from the marriage of WEIPPERT/DOMER in various > villages around Wernges. I have learned about the WEIPPERT family > thought various times in HEssen-Darmstadt to 1665 other villages than > Wernges. I have had a friend in Germany search the archives in Frankfurt > only to find the name can't be found or he missed the ONE entry of > DOMER,DOHMER,DAHMER. > > Guess what I can not even find the DOMER family by reading the > immigration records from LDS.... > > Here are the Immigration records that I have read from LDS > Film No. 2204337 immigration-Lauterbach 1820-1944. (and the years > are not in any certain order) > Film No. 2204577 immigration (not in any certain order of years > traveled) > Film No. 2204578 immigration ( various years no certain order) > > So now I keep serching at LDS the various town records that are > located near Wernges. > > Any other suggestions? > > Margaret > Maryland, USA > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 8/4/2003 > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/HESSE.html > to unsubscribe >

Thanks Jim for the suggestion. Margaret In a message dated 10/18/2003 9:56:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, JWR184@aol.com writes: > > > Hi Margaret, > > Try www.google.com > > In the box put <genealogy domer> without the angle brackets. > > Then <genealogy dohmer> The word "genealogy" limits the search to genealogy > stuff. > > Then <genealogy weippert> > > Then genealogy weipert > > Then wernges weipert > > Then weippert domer > > You get the picture. Happy hunting. > > Jim > Cincinnati > > >

Hi Margaret, How were you able to figure out your Weippert ancestor was born in Wernges? I take it you found german Weippert records starting with a particular parish that contained Wernges? Were these the immigration or emigration records that you searched from the LDS? So you were not able to find your Domer (+all variations) ancestor in these records, but were you able to find your Weippert ancestor in these records? It's strange that the the Domer's were not also in that parish. Perhaps your particular Weippert ancestor moved a fair distance away from Wernges to a town where the Domer's lived? Do you know that your Domer ancestor was born in Hesse-Darmstadt? I suppose you also have their birthyear? If so, then you are in a similar situation to me, where you just don't know which town, and parish, has their records. I am contacting the LDS to see if they have any suggestions as to which microfilms I should order. I also plan to call the Hessen Darmstadt Archives in Germany to see if they have copies of old passports, or any other suggestions. I also am contacting the church in the US where my ancestor attended, to see if they happen to have details such as town of birth (their state death records and obits do not). Also, I plan to look other descendants that might happen to have info that was handed down. If all else fails, like you I might also go ahead and start ordering microfilms of Darmstadt church records--I estimate there could be up to 20 that I (or my wife who is German, but I'd have to bribe her!) would need to search through. It's frustrating that the germans haven't yet started putting an index of their church records online (or have they?). Anybody know whether there's any plan to do so? Brian -----Original Message----- From: Mml45@aol.com [mailto:Mml45@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 4:37 AM To: hammanx6@mindspring.com; HESSE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HESSE] immigration Hello Brian and Everyone, Yes I too am searching to find a town for my ancestors who immigrated from Hesse-Darmstadt---about the 1845-1852 time. I am searching the WEIPPERT (WEIPERT) who I know were born in Wernges which is in the Lauterbach district. (Near Fulda). Now the tricky part is my line of WEIPPERT married a DOMER(DOHMER, DAHMER) who is also from Hesse-Darmstadt.... Can't find the Domer family of the right time period anywhere. I have even traveled to the village of Wernges. I have searched from the marriage of WEIPPERT/DOMER in various villages around Wernges. I have learned about the WEIPPERT family thought various times in HEssen-Darmstadt to 1665 other villages than Wernges. I have had a friend in Germany search the archives in Frankfurt only to find the name can't be found or he missed the ONE entry of DOMER,DOHMER,DAHMER. Guess what I can not even find the DOMER family by reading the immigration records from LDS.... Here are the Immigration records that I have read from LDS Film No. 2204337 immigration-Lauterbach 1820-1944. (and the years are not in any certain order) Film No. 2204577 immigration (not in any certain order of years traveled) Film No. 2204578 immigration ( various years no certain order) So now I keep serching at LDS the various town records that are located near Wernges. Any other suggestions? Margaret Maryland, USA --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 8/4/2003

Hi Margaret, Try www.google.com In the box put <genealogy domer> without the angle brackets. Then <genealogy dohmer> The word "genealogy" limits the search to genealogy stuff. Then <genealogy weippert> Then genealogy weipert Then wernges weipert Then weippert domer You get the picture. Happy hunting. Jim Cincinnati

Hello Brian and Everyone, Yes I too am searching to find a town for my ancestors who immigrated from Hesse-Darmstadt---about the 1845-1852 time. I am searching the WEIPPERT (WEIPERT) who I know were born in Wernges which is in the Lauterbach district. (Near Fulda). Now the tricky part is my line of WEIPPERT married a DOMER(DOHMER, DAHMER) who is also from Hesse-Darmstadt.... Can't find the Domer family of the right time period anywhere. I have even traveled to the village of Wernges. I have searched from the marriage of WEIPPERT/DOMER in various villages around Wernges. I have learned about the WEIPPERT family thought various times in HEssen-Darmstadt to 1665 other villages than Wernges. I have had a friend in Germany search the archives in Frankfurt only to find the name can't be found or he missed the ONE entry of DOMER,DOHMER,DAHMER. Guess what I can not even find the DOMER family by reading the immigration records from LDS.... Here are the Immigration records that I have read from LDS Film No. 2204337 immigration-Lauterbach 1820-1944. (and the years are not in any certain order) Film No. 2204577 immigration (not in any certain order of years traveled) Film No. 2204578 immigration ( various years no certain order) So now I keep serching at LDS the various town records that are located near Wernges. Any other suggestions? Margaret Maryland, USA

Thanks to everyone for all the great feedback I've had regarding how to find birth records for my ancestors in Hessen-Darmstadt. It sounds like the key is that I have to find at least the town where my ancestor was born and then I can go to the LDS website to order microfilms containing church records for that area of Darmstadt (helps if you can read German, which my wife luckily does). I have/received a number of ideas for finding their birthplaces and am trying many approaches at once. One idea that I thought of that I haven't heard yet from anyone is the Darmstadt Emigration Index that's on microfilm at the LDS. Have any of you ever searched this index? I wonder how much detail is listed on each individual and of course whether or not they list town of residence before emigration? Thanks again, Brian --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 8/4/2003

> ... I ... am hoping to hear from the experts the best way(s) to go > about finding birth records in Hesse-Darmstadt > > 1) Wilhelmine Paar. She was born in Hesse-Darmstadt on the 5th of May 1845. > I have no clue who were her parents and there is nothing listed for her at > the LDS website. ... > Brian Hamman Good afternoon Brian, I'm not sure you came across "the Paar Genealogy Project" provided by Jeffrey G. Paar: http://www.paarplace.com/genealogy/paar/paar.asp?MenuItem=9 " I'd really like to hear from other PAARs out there! ... please contact me at the e-mail address at the end of this page. ..." There are at least two Wilhelmine Paar listed with parents, which might be yours: http://www.paarplace.com/genealogy/paar/germfams.asp?MenuItem=21 it could be an idea to ask Jeffrey, also to add your Lutz-Paar-couple. Good luck, Ralf

Can anyone tell me if the village of Saßmannshausen, Germany was ever part of Hesse. I hope I have asked this correctly since I am not clear on the divisions of Germany in the 1600 and 1700 era. I know it is located in Wittgenstein today. Larry

This is information to file away for possible usefulness later: In 1846, the ship, Calleo, sailed from Antwerp to New York, with the following passengers: Elizabeth Lutz, age 41, female Jacob, age 35 Mary, age 18, female Herman, age 3, male GTA, Nov. 1846-July 1847, vo1. 4 They left from the village of Hegnach, which I have been informed is in Wurttemburg. They were passengers on the same ship as my family, who left from that same village, but whom I know to have claimed Hessen-Darmstadt as their place of origin. I have no further information on my Reibold family either, but perhaps tracking Elizabeth and Jacob might lead somewhere. One would not know by looking at the ship record, that the Reibolds were actually from Darmstadt. If the Lutz family came with the Reibolds from the same place, perhaps this would help if that Lutz family were relatives? I know that since my Reibold family had a three month old, I could look at baptism records in that area to see whether there might be more information. I just have not gotten around to it. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "hamman" <hammanx6@mindspring.com> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 11:27 AM Subject: [HESSE] birth records in Hesse-Darmstadt in mid 1800's > Hello, > > I just subsribed yesterday to this mailing list and am hoping to hear from > the experts the best way(s) to go about finding birth records in > Hesse-Darmstadt for my GGgrandparents listed below: > > 1) Wilhelmine Paar. She was born in Hesse-Darmstadt on the 5th of May 1845. > I have no clue who were her parents and there is nothing listed for her at > the LDS website. I found from "Germans to America, 1850-1874" at > Genealogy.com that she she embarked from Bremen on the "New York" and > arrived as a "20" yr old in New York on the 13th of May, 1867--there's no > further info on her in this online record, except I can say that there were > no other Paars on this ship. I have no clue about the names of her parents > and there is no marriage or death record for her in New York. > > 2) Wilhelm Lutz. He was born in Hesse-Darmstadt in 1842 (don't know > specific date). His parents were Johan and Barbara Anna Lutz and I think > they came to the US in the 1850's, but not sure as there are many Lutz > immigrants. I have no marriage record for Wilhelm (changed his name to > William) and his obit says nothing about exact birthdate or place. > > Thanks a bunch in advance for any response! > Brian Hamman > hammanx6@mindspring.com > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 8/4/2003 > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/HESSE.html > to unsubscribe >

I understand there are several Allendorfs. My ancestors, Heinrich Friedrich Coester and Henriette Hottenroth came from Allendorf on the Werra in 1857. I am interested in finding out more about Allendorf. Its economy, its churches, its sources for tracking ancestors. Are the other Allendorfs all in Hesse? I am just new to doing German research and I don't know German. How difficult will it be? Thank you. Lisa Fox upstate NY