King George III of England did most definitely speak English! He was born and spent his entire life in England. His grandfather King George I did not speak English and King George II, his father, spoke both German and English. The Landgraviate of Hesse-Kassel did not become the Electorate of Hesse (Kurhessen) until 1803. The Landgrave of Hesse was only one of the German princes who furnished troops to fight in America. This was not an unusual practice for the time as other rulers also hired out their troops. There was a German regiment, the Deux-Ponts Regiment, among the French troops at Yorktown. For more on the German troops in the American Revolution see the series of books by Bruce Burgoyne available fro Heritage Books Inc. David Rorer ----- Original Message ----- From: <Clwdee@aol.com> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 4:20 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Hessian Soldiers > Allendorf was in Kurhessen, now Hesse Nassau. It was never part of > Prussia. Prussia at the time was a separate independent Nation. > Hessen Soldiers were recruited from the area and leased to the King of > England, a close relative of the Landgrave of Hesse Kassel. The troops were not > mercenaties as we use the term. They were auxillary troops hired from the > Langrave by the King of England. ( By the way, King George did not speak English) > Carl > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Don't overlook the Hesse mailing list taglines at the > bottom of each list E-Mail you receive. Valuable infor- > mation is presented there! > >

Allendorf was in Kurhessen, now Hesse Nassau. It was never part of Prussia. Prussia at the time was a separate independent Nation. Hessen Soldiers were recruited from the area and leased to the King of England, a close relative of the Landgrave of Hesse Kassel. The troops were not mercenaties as we use the term. They were auxillary troops hired from the Langrave by the King of England. ( By the way, King George did not speak English) Carl

My great grandfather Philip Pfluger emigrated to USA in 1855. Looking for family history, ancestry, descendency of this family from Trubenhausen. Thanks. Dcik

Can anyone help me find my ggrandmother and her family, they were living in Schifferstadt, Canton Speyer, Rhemish, Baveria in 1840. My ggrandmother was Maria Anna Schmitt born Sept. 29, 1840 and her brother Martin was born in May 1850. I think the fathers name was Josef and the mother was Felicitas. They immigrated to New York City in 1856. In 1864 they were living in Staten Island, N Y. Any Help will be appreciated. Ruth Tomlinson

The story is handed down in the family that our immigrant ancestor had to leave the old country to avoid being conscripted into the Prussian army. He arrived here in 1857 as a single 22 year old. Does this make sense? I know the Hessians were mercenaries in the American Revolution. Did they also fight in other countries' wars? I was thinking that the story was wrong. That he was trying to avoid the Hessian army. He came from Allendorf on the Werra. That is definitely in Hesse, right? Any light on the subject would be greatly appreciated. Thanks from Lisa in mild and lovely upstate NY.

Dear Robert, You were wondering about a possible connection between Alsace-Lorraine and Hesse. My great-great grandparents emigrated from Hesse (the Marburg area) in the 19th century. My grandfather's family always insisted that they were descended from French Huguenot ancestry and moved to Hesse during the reign of Louis XIV. It is possible that your ancestors immigrated from Alsace-Lorraine to Hesse. Sincerely, Katherine I am seeking information on the family of Barbara Klein, born Feb. 1812, Hessen-Darmstadt (according to US Census info). I believe she was a widow when she came to the US in the 1850's with her daughter, Elisabeth (b. abt. 1848) and son, August J. (b. May 1849). I have located immigration records which may apply to them - the names and ages are correct, but I am confused by the last residence, which is listed as Leidhecken. If this record is correct they arrived on the Julia on 24 Oct. 1853, and the Port of Embarkation was Bremen. I can follow and document them after their arrival in the US, but am at a loss to trace them before they left Germany. I apologize for my geographical ignorance, I have just spent considerable time trying to figure it out without success. Our family tradition held that they came from Alsace-Lorraine, census info lists the birthplace as Hesse-Darmstadt, and the possible immigration record lists their last residence as Leidhecken. Is any of th! is information compatible? Has anyone heard of this particular branch of Kleins? I am looking for a husband or family information. Variations of spelling for this family group include Cline and Kline. Sorry for being long winded. Thank You, Jane in NJ

I am seeking information on the family of Barbara Klein, born Feb. 1812, Hessen-Darmstadt (according to US Census info). I believe she was a widow when she came to the US in the 1850's with her daughter, Elisabeth (b. abt. 1848) and son, August J. (b. May 1849). I have located immigration records which may apply to them - the names and ages are correct, but I am confused by the last residence, which is listed as Leidhecken. If this record is correct they arrived on the Julia on 24 Oct. 1853, and the Port of Embarkation was Bremen. I can follow and document them after their arrival in the US, but am at a loss to trace them before they left Germany. I apologize for my geographical ignorance, I have just spent considerable time trying to figure it out without success. Our family tradition held that they came from Alsace-Lorraine, census info lists the birthplace as Hesse-Darmstadt, and the possible immigration record lists their last residence as Leidhecken. Is any of th! is information compatible? Has anyone heard of this particular branch of Kleins? I am looking for a husband or family information. Variations of spelling for this family group include Cline and Kline. Sorry for being long winded. Thank You, Jane in NJ

Hello, I am looking for the families of Adam Johannes STEIN, born 1776, probably Bickenbach - at least son Adam, born in 1802, and daughter Anna Margaret, born in 1815 are known. Evangelische "Or Juden" is also mentioned in the records. Probable immigration date for the STEINS is 1816-1817, with the families ending up in Ashland County, Ohio. Anna Margaret STEIN married Johannes / Jehmias KROUSE / KRAUS around 1838-1839, and indications are that the Henrich KRAUS family immigrated to Ohio from the same village in Hesse. Thanks, Lorraine

Hello Mildred! There was the name BRAUBURGER in the towns Kalbach and Harheim, now part of Frankfurt. Viele Grüße Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: <MPATHFINDERS@aol.com> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:25 PM Subject: [HESSE] immigration > Carolyn, > I would be so greatful if you could look for the sir name BRAUBURGER they > came over about 1848.Simon and his wife Margaretha and his six grown children. > Thank you, > Mildred > Browns Mills,N.J. > > ______________________________

Anyone have a connection to this name? I'm helping someone else with this research so not exactly sure of the time frame. German born GEORGE FRICK married Catharine ? in Germany, and came to the USA before 1838. They entered through the port of New Orleans and traveled to St. Louis, from there to Monroe County, IL. Looking for ships passenger lists, immigration records and names of parents and siblings. Thanks, Betty L. Collier

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_LX+dfaRvmY7ngDorUqn4yg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Caroln I have indications that my Krebs ancestors came from Michelbach traveling to Galicia and then to Canada. I don't, at this time know what Krebs members stayed behind in Michelbach. Do you have any listings in the film for them? I'd be very interested in hearing from you. Thank you very much. Jeff Krebs --Boundary_(ID_LX+dfaRvmY7ngDorUqn4yg) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Type: text/plain HESSE-D Digest Volume 03 : Issue 222 Today's Topics: #1 [HESSE] Emigration - Auswandererka [Jerolyn@aol.com] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from HESSE-D, send a message to HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. NEVER hit your reply button to unsubscribe. Web Site for HESSEN, GERMANY, is at http://members.cox.net/hessen/index.htm Many towns in Germany have the same name! Add the 5-digit zip code in front of the name! Zip codes explained, http://members.cox.net/hessen/index.htm To unsubscribe or to look for old messages, go to: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/HESSE.html ______________________________ --Boundary_(ID_LX+dfaRvmY7ngDorUqn4yg) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Message: #1 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:21:53 EST From: Jerolyn@aol.com To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <cc.244aa696.2cd32141@aol.com> Subject: [HESSE] Emigration - Auswandererkartei Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" LDS film 1124280 contains a list of emigrants from Erbach, Hesse Darmstadt for the dates 1800-1900. Does anyone know if this film has been indexed? Is it the same material that Ella Gieg used for her 5 books "Auswanderangen aus dem Odenwaldkreis" ? If you know that your relative emigrated in this period AND they came from the Erbach area, I would be willing to check the film for you. Please only one name per request. Here are some towns/villages that I have found on the film: Steinbach, Michelbach, Mickelstadt, Reichelsheim, Zell, Erlenbach, Beerfelden, Ober Hiltersklingen, Ober Mossau, Unter Mossau, Bremhof. If the Route was specified on the index card, it was Havre (Le Havre, France), Rotterdam, Bremen, Hamburg, Antwerpen. (This is only a sample of the variety) Some names on the film include: EBERHARDT, EBINGER, ECKART, ECKEL, ECKERT, ECKARD, ECKSTEIN, EDELMANN, EGLY, EGNER. the film is A - Z inclusive. I have the film on indefinite loan at the Bradenton, Florida LDS Family History Center. If you are in the area, you may want to look for yourself. Carolyn in Florida --Boundary_(ID_LX+dfaRvmY7ngDorUqn4yg)--

Carolyn, I would be so greatful if you could look for the sir name BRAUBURGER they came over about 1848.Simon and his wife Margaretha and his six grown children. Thank you, Mildred Browns Mills,N.J.

>Pete, ( PHSchue@aol.com) Are you still doing look ups for Hesse researchers? Are you a member of Genealogy.com or is this something we can do ourselves? Thanks for your time. Pray for Peace, Maxine Capezza

If you have time could you look up Lenhard LULY. Thank You Sue

Hello Carolyn. I am looking for Georg Kempf. If you can look it up, I would appreciate it. thanks Greg Rehme gregrehme@mindspring.com > [Original Message] > From: <Jerolyn@aol.com> > To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 10/30/2003 8:21:53 PM > Subject: [HESSE] Emigration - Auswandererkartei > > LDS film 1124280 contains a list of emigrants from Erbach, Hesse > Darmstadt for the dates 1800-1900. Does anyone know if this film has been indexed? > Is it the same material that Ella Gieg used for her 5 books "Auswanderangen aus > dem Odenwaldkreis" ? > > If you know that your relative emigrated in this period AND they came > from the Erbach area, I would be willing to check the film for you. Please only > one name per request. > > Here are some towns/villages that I have found on the film: Steinbach, > Michelbach, Mickelstadt, Reichelsheim, Zell, Erlenbach, Beerfelden, Ober > Hiltersklingen, Ober Mossau, Unter Mossau, Bremhof. > If the Route was specified on the index card, it was Havre (Le Havre, > France), Rotterdam, Bremen, Hamburg, Antwerpen. (This is only a sample of the > variety) > Some names on the film include: EBERHARDT, EBINGER, ECKART, ECKEL, > ECKERT, ECKARD, ECKSTEIN, EDELMANN, EGLY, EGNER. the film is A - Z inclusive. > > I have the film on indefinite loan at the Bradenton, Florida LDS Family > History Center. If you are in the area, you may want to look for yourself. > > Carolyn in Florida

LDS film 1124280 contains a list of emigrants from Erbach, Hesse Darmstadt for the dates 1800-1900. Does anyone know if this film has been indexed? Is it the same material that Ella Gieg used for her 5 books "Auswanderangen aus dem Odenwaldkreis" ? If you know that your relative emigrated in this period AND they came from the Erbach area, I would be willing to check the film for you. Please only one name per request. Here are some towns/villages that I have found on the film: Steinbach, Michelbach, Mickelstadt, Reichelsheim, Zell, Erlenbach, Beerfelden, Ober Hiltersklingen, Ober Mossau, Unter Mossau, Bremhof. If the Route was specified on the index card, it was Havre (Le Havre, France), Rotterdam, Bremen, Hamburg, Antwerpen. (This is only a sample of the variety) Some names on the film include: EBERHARDT, EBINGER, ECKART, ECKEL, ECKERT, ECKARD, ECKSTEIN, EDELMANN, EGLY, EGNER. the film is A - Z inclusive. I have the film on indefinite loan at the Bradenton, Florida LDS Family History Center. If you are in the area, you may want to look for yourself. Carolyn in Florida

----- Original Message ----- From: <7iron@gmx.de> To: <CAENH@aol.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:31 PM Subject: Re: Travel in Hesse Darmstadt Yes, Carol-Anne, I'm a native of the city of Darmstadt. Talking about the weather in Germany is a bit like playing Bingo or Russian Roulette. I should not be forgotten that this country is situated somewhere in the middle of Europe, with strong influences from the sea as well. Normally the summer months, that is from June to September, are quite fine, but there's never a guarantee that on a 2 weeks trip it will be fine in any case. If you had mostly rain on your trip two years ago, it was just bad luck. This year you would have had extremely fine weather at this time. Most people would consider the weather in the months from November to February as awful, although some people, for example me, like this time of the year, when it is mostly grey, rainy, with some chances of snow. No, you don't have to avoid the summer tourist season. Only those places which every American or Japanese know by name, i.e. Heidelberg or Munich, are crowded then. If you intent to visit the places where your ancestors lived, you will be fine during the summer months. Alsfeld in summer, for example, is well worth a trip. Nice little city, with a lot of old buildings, not touched in WWII. Hope this helps, Heinz

My first Egolf in the King's Colonies is probably the Michael who arrived in Philadelphia in 1747. Floyd's Northumberland County Genealogy Pages 148 thru 173 quotes from a family Bible and states that this progenitor Michael married Mary Voetsch, both of Engstadt, District of Bahlinger, Duchy of Württemberg, Germany. According to the Bible records quoted by Floyd's they had ten children there and at the age of 54, in 1747, Michael, born 1693, and his wife brought their eldest son, Michael born 1725, and others with them. Review of Michael Egolf marriages in records of St. Michael's and Zion Lutheran Church, Philadelphia. There are three such marriages involving these two Michaels. 1747, 1749 and 1751. The first marriage is clear cut: Michael Egolff Witwer and Catharine Bender Witwe, November 24, 1747. That is they are widower and widow. The patriarch, the eldest Michael, is the best fit.. We assume his first wife, Mary Voetsch, is dead. The second marriage: Michael Egolf married Elisabeth Hauser, March 28, 1749. In the context of the above account the best fit is the son. The third marriage: Michael Egolf to Elizabeth Volmerin October 14, 1751. There is not a single hard fact to prove who this Michael is - father or son? (The bride's surname is Volmer - the in was added to denote the daughter of Volmer.) Five Baptisms Subsequent to these marriages there are five Baptisms, the first, an Elizabeth , August 23, 1752, with Michael and Elizabetha (with an a but no last name) named as parents in the records of St. Michael's and Zion Lutheran Church, Philadelphia. There are likely three other children who survive and two infant deaths. These parents eventually live and die in Carlisle. Michael and Elizabeth(no a) are remembered in stones in the Carlisle Cemetery - but there is no hint as to the family name of Elizabeth.. We do not know which Elizabeth is the mother of this brood - Hauser or Volmer. I can't .prove it, but I think Hauser died soon after she was married in 1749 and it was her Michael who married Elizabeth Volmer. And it is Elizabeth Volmer Egolf who baptizes the five children, relocates ultimately to Carlisle and lives and dies there. They would be the parents of Joseph - he whose son probably - not proven - commissioned two Frakturen - one commemorating Joseph's birth and the other honoring Joseph's father by recounting a bit of family history and remembering Joseph's father'smarriage in 1751. I will not comment further on the first Fraktur but I will include the English transcript of the second one: In the name of Jesus Christ Michael Egloff, hitherto established citizen, resident and worker in Engsstat, Balinger district, in the duchy of Wuerttemberg, the same begotten and born of upright and Christian parents and incorporated through holy baptism into Christ and His congregation, with Elisabetha, born in Dellenberg of Nassau., the same begotten and born of upright and Christian parents and incorporated through holy baptism into Christ and His congregation, made on the (smudge) of November 1751 the bond of matrimonial love and faithfulness with the same wife, through priestly joining before the Christian church. Moreover this same Michael Egloff begat through the blessing of God ten children with his wife Elisabetha, of whom already two passed into holy eternity in their delicate childhood according to the will of God, but eight however, as long as it please God, are still alive and called according to their baptismal names, according to the rule. Unless I assume that Hauser dies and her husband the younger Michael marries Elizabeth Volmer in 1751 I must set this Marriage Fraktur aside since it does not fit any other scenario that I can project. Part of this assumption is to recognize that who ever gave the artist crucial information as to names and dates for the Fraktur made two grievous errors or perhaps the artist got it wrong. In 1751 there is only one Egolf marriage and that is Michael and Elizabeth Volmer in October. Also, there must have been a mistake in the deliberate addition of a to form Elizabetha and in naming the month November when it should have been October. (In the Fraktur the number of the day is smudged and cannot be deciphered. The best guess was the 1st. This is the only major unresolved translating issue - considering the type of document this was a remarkable accomplishment.) (There is no Elizabetha marrying an Egolf in the St. Michael records we searched - 1740-1760. An Elizabetha is named a! s the mother of the child 1752 Baptism and it would be stretch to say that was the reason for spelling the name with an a in a document celebrating a 1751 marriage.) If one assumes that Hauser died and the younger Michael is marrying Elizabeth Volmer in 1751 then one has a reason for the Fraktur. Joseph, born in 1765, would have been their youngest son, and the Fraktur would have been in their honor. If Michael and Elizabeth Volmer are not Joseph's parents then Elizabeth Volmer cannot be related to Joseph and there is no reason for the Fraktur - that we can imagine. I am writing a story of this family for our children. Unless someone points out a flaw in these speculations I will base our family story on this scenario. Many on this list have been most helpful and I will of course give proper credit to those who have so kindly provided me with information that I would otherwise have missed. I will also add copious (windy) endnotes to distinguish the facts from fiction. If you would like to know more about Frakturen I can send you more than you want know.. Best regards Hal

I reccommend two guides, both of which I personally use, and one being the descendant of the other. For guide books currently being published, my preference is for BLUE GUIDES. A while back they were Benns Blue Guides, but in recent years were sold and are now just plain Blue Guides, with the name of the country or area in the title. The Blue Guides are descendants of the english version of BAEDEKER GUIDES which originated in Germany and were published under that name until World War I. Do not confuse the old Baedekers with the books currently being published under that name. The newly published books do not hold a candle to the old ones. During WWI, the British publisher of the Baedekers turned them into the Black Guides, I think it was, and they eventually became Blue Buides. I often use the old Baedekers when doing genealogical research as they have wonderful maps of mostly European cities as they were between 1900 and 1920. The books are organized is such a way, that as you drive down a specific road, they tell you what happened at each town, village and hill. Copies of most of the old books can be found on e-bay, at alibris.com or your favorite used book source for a reasonable amount of money. Some of the editions, Russia, and Palestine, for instance are very expensive. The 1929 edition of Egypt is judged the best guide to that county that was EVER written. These old books often come with admission tickets for museums which were tucked away by previous owners inside them. As I mentioned above always keep these books in mind when looking for the places where your ancestors lived. Marleen Van Horne

Elsa Vorwerk <elsavorwerk@mindspring.com> wrote: >(snip)Also would appreciate advice about a German "phrase >book" for folks utterly ignorant of the German language >but hoping to not embarrass ourselves entirely. Elsa, I have a phrase book that I like. It is "Harrap's German Phrase Book" ISB 0245-54750-9. It was originally published by Harrap Books LTD at 19-23 Ludgate Hill, London EC4M 7PD in 1989. Mine came from Passport Books in Lincolnwood Illinois. It was available in the US but I don't remember where I bought it. Best of luck on your trip! Carl in Texas