Doesn't anyone have any information regarding the 'Sachsen' town of origin for Georg Phillip Brehm(ca 1727-1776) and his wife, Elisabeth Heller (ca 1727-1801) who sailed from Rotterdam on the 'Betty' onMay 16,1752?

Moguntia is the latin name of the city of Mainz. Altavilla is the latinized name for the city of Eltville, located a few miles downstream from Mainz on the opposite side of the Rhine river. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Weitzel" <jweitzel@ea.ucla.edu> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:22 PM Subject: [HESSE] Re: HESSE-D Digest V03 #229 > > > > > #2 [HESSE] LATIN TRANSLATION ["Valda Owen" > > <kenowen@networksmm.c] > > > > > >Dear Listers > >Can anyone help me? I am trying to translate church records of the > >1600-1800's and keep coming across these terms: > > These are guesses, I would need to know the context - but maybe this is > sufficient. I came across this web site > http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/RG/guide/WLLatin1.asp that may prove > to be helpful. > > >asperavalensis/asperavallani > > perhaps a high villa or village on a hill > > >altavillani > > rough/strong > > >moguntinae > > Diocese of Mainz, Germany (see > http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/diocese/dmain.html ) > > >sartor > the above web site has sartor as tailor > one source has for sartor "see saritor - hoer/weeder" latin/english > dictionary Traupman, has tailor = vestitor or textor > > >Other family relationship terms that I ned an exact translation for are: > >socro patris > > socrus is mother in law, could be "mother in law of the father" or > "father's mother in law" > > >patris sorore > > could be sister of the father, but the word for aunt is amita (father's > side) and matertera (mother's side) > > >I hope someone can help. > >Regards > >Val > > I hope this helps some. > > John > > > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Don't overlook the Hesse mailing list taglines at the > bottom of each list E-Mail you receive. Valuable infor- > mation is presented there! > >

Slightly different explanations: <altavillani> There's surely the word "villanum" = Bauer = farmer in it. <Mogantinae> is surely correct. It's a adjective from Moguntiacum = Mainz <sartor> I would prefer Schneider = taylor for this. <socro patris> is clear. Mother-in-law of the father <patris sorore> is clear. Father of the sister Heinz

Dear Listers Can anyone help me? I am trying to translate church records of the 1600-1800's and keep coming across these terms: asperavalensis/asperavallani altavillani moguntinae sartor Other family relationship terms that I ned an exact translation for are: socro patris patris sorore I hope someone can help. Regards Val

In a message dated 11/5/2003 8:02:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: I am trying to translate church records of the 1600-1800's and keep coming across these terms: asperavalensis/asperavallani altavillani moguntinae sartor Other family relationship terms that I ned an exact translation for are: socro patris patris sorore Hi Val: A couple translations are easy, but I cannot give exact translation for the others. Perhaps someone else on the list will be able to help with them. Latin records are frequently a challenge because the writers often misspelled words and did not follow the rules of grammar. Sartor = tailor patris sorore = by the sister of the father moguntinae = possibly from Maguntina = Mainz socro patris: socro = by the mother-in-law; patris = of the father. [I'm not sure how this fits together.] aspervalensis: possibly a town name? The ending "ensis" = from the town of. If not, and if it is a compound word: asper = rough, coarse, etc; valensis: possibly from valens = strong, robust, powerful. altavillani: villani = of the farmer; alta = high, tall, lofty. [Again, I'm not sure how this fits together.] Paul C. Miller

> > #2 [HESSE] LATIN TRANSLATION ["Valda Owen" > <kenowen@networksmm.c] > > >Dear Listers >Can anyone help me? I am trying to translate church records of the >1600-1800's and keep coming across these terms: These are guesses, I would need to know the context - but maybe this is sufficient. I came across this web site http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/RG/guide/WLLatin1.asp that may prove to be helpful. >asperavalensis/asperavallani perhaps a high villa or village on a hill >altavillani rough/strong >moguntinae Diocese of Mainz, Germany (see http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/diocese/dmain.html ) >sartor the above web site has sartor as tailor one source has for sartor "see saritor - hoer/weeder" latin/english dictionary Traupman, has tailor = vestitor or textor >Other family relationship terms that I ned an exact translation for are: >socro patris socrus is mother in law, could be "mother in law of the father" or "father's mother in law" >patris sorore could be sister of the father, but the word for aunt is amita (father's side) and matertera (mother's side) >I hope someone can help. >Regards >Val I hope this helps some. John

Thank you Werner Saemmler Hindrichs for a most interesting and detailed account. We have Henry Iles, b abt 1749, died in Bennington Township, Licking County, OH. We understand that the name may have been Iler\Oiler\ or others. Family tradition is that he was Hessian Soldier who managed to stay in this country. He married Mary M. Stine about 1782. It is maintained that he was born in England. Were there any such troops sent to the colonies from England? --- Original Message ----- From: <Antiquariu@aol.com> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 1:44 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Hessian Soldiers > More material from Burgoyne's book, confirmed by my memory as well, which > seems to debunk that statement that these were very loyal folks with a low > desertion rate. Fact is, many of them deserted. When I ws younger and living in > New Orleans, I learned about veterans of the 3rd Regiment being held in Baton > Rouge, who upon release settled the area around what is now called Bayou des > Allemands. > Although Burgoyne has plenty of good information, its not complete. When I > go to see my family graveyard in Freienhagen -- which Burgoyne does not credit > with any participants, there are a number of historical stones commemorating > those citizens who went with Freiherr von Leliwa and fell in the American wars. > > > As far as the dichotomy about induction/conscription in the 1850s, that's a > tough one. I can think of three solutions: (1) the town of original was not > as stated -- Prussia owned many smaller parcels of real estate at that time, > which might not show on the map (2) zealous immigration folks, for whom > Prussia was Germany. (3) ignorance. > > In 1776, the 3rd Waldeck Regiment was raised. The regiment entered English > service and was deployed to the rebellious colonies. Leaving Bremerhaven on > Dutch ships, it arrived in New York. Of 1,225 soldiers in the regiment, 470 were > natives of Waldeck. Some 720 would not return from the Americas, having been > killed, gone missing or deserted (the Continental Congress offered land grants > to Hessian deserters). This loss rate seems typical of England's "Hessian" > mercenaries: State of origin Number of troops Losses > Hesse-Cassel 16,992 6,500 (of which 2,000 were KIA) > Hesse-Hanau 2,422 981 > Brunswick 5,723 3,015 > Ansbach-Bayreuth 1,644 461 > Anhalt-Zerbst 1160 176 > Waldeck 1,225 720 > Sources: Max von Elking, German Allied Troops in the American War of > Independence, B.E. Burgoyne, Waldeck Soldiers of the American Revolutionary WarIn the > 1777 campaign, the 3rd Waldeck Regiment was garrisoned in Amboy, New Jersey. > The regiment was sent to the Gulf Coast in 1778, and fought the Spanish at > Baton Rouge and Pensacola, among other places. The regiment was captured in 1781 > in Pensacola. The remnants were repatriated to Germany in 1783. A unit > designated the 5th Waldeck Battalion was formed in 1784. It also entered Dutch > service. Some former members of the 3rd Waldeck Regiment, having returned from the > US, served in this battalion. In 1802, it was sent to garrison the Cape of Good > Hope in South Africa. The Waldeckers would (unsuccessfully) defend Capetown > from the English in 1806. In 1806, when Napoleon dissolved the Batavian Republic > and made Holland a kingdom under his brother Louis Napoleon, the regiments > were reorganized. The 1st Waldeck Regiment became the 3rd Battalion, 1st > Infantry Regiment and the 2nd Waldeck Regiment became the 3rd Battalion, 2nd Infantry > Regiment. The 5th Waldeck Battalion was dissolved. > > > > > > Director of Operations > ALS, Inc > 1-540-592-7215 > Fax: 1-703-832-0692 >

More material from Burgoyne's book, confirmed by my memory as well, which seems to debunk that statement that these were very loyal folks with a low desertion rate. Fact is, many of them deserted. When I ws younger and living in New Orleans, I learned about veterans of the 3rd Regiment being held in Baton Rouge, who upon release settled the area around what is now called Bayou des Allemands. Although Burgoyne has plenty of good information, its not complete. When I go to see my family graveyard in Freienhagen -- which Burgoyne does not credit with any participants, there are a number of historical stones commemorating those citizens who went with Freiherr von Leliwa and fell in the American wars. As far as the dichotomy about induction/conscription in the 1850s, that's a tough one. I can think of three solutions: (1) the town of original was not as stated -- Prussia owned many smaller parcels of real estate at that time, which might not show on the map (2) zealous immigration folks, for whom Prussia was Germany. (3) ignorance. In 1776, the 3rd Waldeck Regiment was raised. The regiment entered English service and was deployed to the rebellious colonies. Leaving Bremerhaven on Dutch ships, it arrived in New York. Of 1,225 soldiers in the regiment, 470 were natives of Waldeck. Some 720 would not return from the Americas, having been killed, gone missing or deserted (the Continental Congress offered land grants to Hessian deserters). This loss rate seems typical of England's "Hessian" mercenaries: State of origin Number of troops Losses Hesse-Cassel 16,992 6,500 (of which 2,000 were KIA) Hesse-Hanau 2,422 981 Brunswick 5,723 3,015 Ansbach-Bayreuth 1,644 461 Anhalt-Zerbst 1160 176 Waldeck 1,225 720 Sources: Max von Elking, German Allied Troops in the American War of Independence, B.E. Burgoyne, Waldeck Soldiers of the American Revolutionary WarIn the 1777 campaign, the 3rd Waldeck Regiment was garrisoned in Amboy, New Jersey. The regiment was sent to the Gulf Coast in 1778, and fought the Spanish at Baton Rouge and Pensacola, among other places. The regiment was captured in 1781 in Pensacola. The remnants were repatriated to Germany in 1783. A unit designated the 5th Waldeck Battalion was formed in 1784. It also entered Dutch service. Some former members of the 3rd Waldeck Regiment, having returned from the US, served in this battalion. In 1802, it was sent to garrison the Cape of Good Hope in South Africa. The Waldeckers would (unsuccessfully) defend Capetown from the English in 1806. In 1806, when Napoleon dissolved the Batavian Republic and made Holland a kingdom under his brother Louis Napoleon, the regiments were reorganized. The 1st Waldeck Regiment became the 3rd Battalion, 1st Infantry Regiment and the 2nd Waldeck Regiment became the 3rd Battalion, 2nd Infantry Regiment. The 5th Waldeck Battalion was dissolved. Werner Saemmler Hindrichs Director of Operations ALS, Inc 1-540-592-7215 Fax: 1-703-832-0692

Dear Friends, I am searching for info about the family of my great-grandmother, Margeretha Glaiser (Glazier, Glaeser, or Glazer) who came as a young girl with her parents to the US in the 1850s. She was born 20Jun 1842 in Wehnbach, Hessen, Darmstadt, German Empire. She died 12 Dec 1926 and is buried in Wichita, KS USA. I know that her family lived in Warsaw, IL before coming to KS where my grandfather, Frederick Albert Hummelke was born in 1874. I would appreciate any info or suggestions as to finding out about her family in Germany. Many thanks! Sincerely, Helen H. Burt

Very well balanced treatment of the subject. Reading it should remove a lot of misconceptions of how and why the Landgraff rented out his troops and the effect it had on the population of his state. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen Schilling" <kschilli@hotmail.com> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 9:16 AM Subject: [HESSE] Hessian Military > I've noticed the recent emails regarding military service in Hesse. Some of > you might be interested in the following book. It's quite interesting. > > Indentured to Liberty: Peasant Life & the Hessian Military State, 1688-1815. > > Author: Taylor, Peter K. > > Publisher: Cornell University Press Ithaca, NY, U. S. > > Regards, > Kathleen > > _________________________________________________________________ > Enjoy MSN 8 patented spam control and more with MSN 8 Dial-up Internet > Service. Try it FREE for one month! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Don't overlook the Hesse mailing list taglines at the > bottom of each list E-Mail you receive. Valuable infor- > mation is presented there! > >

This is also a good source of information on these troops. ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Bouviers" <bbouvier@erols.com> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Hessian Soldiers > Another book is "The Hessians and the other German Auxiliaries of Great > Britain in the Revolutionary War" by Edward J. Lowell, Corner House > Historical Publications, Gansevoort, NY, 1997; ISBN 0-87928-012-3 (hard > cover) or 0-87928-116-2 (soft cover). :-) > > Leslie > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/HESSE.html > to unsubscribe > >

I have nearly all of Bruce Burgoyne's books as well as a bookcase full of books on German history. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sylvia Stoltz" <sylvanem@alphalink.com.au> To: "David Rorer" <drorer@fuse.net>; <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Hessian Soldiers > David > > Interesting stuff about Hessian soldiers. You seem to have a good source for > information on this subject. > > Sylvia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rorer" <drorer@fuse.net> > To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 6:57 AM > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Hessian Soldiers > > > > The Prussian army did not hire out regiments. > > There were about six different states that furnished troops to England for > service in > > America Prussia was not one of them. > > > > The Hessen and other soldiers in the American revolution fought well and > bravely. Only a > > few deserted while a number received their discharge and stayed in > America. The majority > > returned to Germany after their service was over. > > > > For more information on these troops see the series of books by Bruce > Burgoyne which are > > available from Heritage Books. > > > > David Rorer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sylvia Stoltz" <sylvanem@alphalink.com.au> > > To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 12:14 AM > > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Hessian Soldiers > > > > > > > Hi Lisa > > > Was most interested to see your message about conscripts into the > Prussian > > > army. We have the same story about my Grandfather from Hesse-Darmstadt. > > > Also a story that he and a brother "escaped" to Italy and came to > Australia > > > from there in 1856. (He was then 37). We have on record (in his > obituary) > > > that he was injured in the "Civil War" which I assumed was the > Revolution of > > > 1848. I have not been able to trace him as an emigrant from Hamburg and > > > passenger lists for arrivals at Moreton Bay in 1856 were lost in a > flood. > > > I don't know what other records are available. > > > Some time ago I read an article which stated that at that time young > German > > > males were snatched from their families and conscripted into the > Prussian > > > army, which was hired out to other countries. Apparently that is how > there > > > came to be a Hessian army in the American war, hired by George III. > Most of > > > the soldiers were unwilling participants and some managed to escape and > even > > > fight with the Americans. > > > For some interesting reading (fact + fiction) see if your library has a > copy > > > of "Right hand of God". I don't have a record of the author... it was > one of > > > a series. > > > > > > History is a mystery!!!! > > > > > > Sylvia - Melbourne > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > > Many towns in Germany have the same name! Add the 5-digit > > zip code in front of the name! Zip codes explained, > > http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm > > > >

Another book is "The Hessians and the other German Auxiliaries of Great Britain in the Revolutionary War" by Edward J. Lowell, Corner House Historical Publications, Gansevoort, NY, 1997; ISBN 0-87928-012-3 (hard cover) or 0-87928-116-2 (soft cover). :-) Leslie

David Interesting stuff about Hessian soldiers. You seem to have a good source for information on this subject. Sylvia ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rorer" <drorer@fuse.net> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 6:57 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Hessian Soldiers > The Prussian army did not hire out regiments. > There were about six different states that furnished troops to England for service in > America Prussia was not one of them. > > The Hessen and other soldiers in the American revolution fought well and bravely. Only a > few deserted while a number received their discharge and stayed in America. The majority > returned to Germany after their service was over. > > For more information on these troops see the series of books by Bruce Burgoyne which are > available from Heritage Books. > > David Rorer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sylvia Stoltz" <sylvanem@alphalink.com.au> > To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 12:14 AM > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Hessian Soldiers > > > > Hi Lisa > > Was most interested to see your message about conscripts into the Prussian > > army. We have the same story about my Grandfather from Hesse-Darmstadt. > > Also a story that he and a brother "escaped" to Italy and came to Australia > > from there in 1856. (He was then 37). We have on record (in his obituary) > > that he was injured in the "Civil War" which I assumed was the Revolution of > > 1848. I have not been able to trace him as an emigrant from Hamburg and > > passenger lists for arrivals at Moreton Bay in 1856 were lost in a flood. > > I don't know what other records are available. > > Some time ago I read an article which stated that at that time young German > > males were snatched from their families and conscripted into the Prussian > > army, which was hired out to other countries. Apparently that is how there > > came to be a Hessian army in the American war, hired by George III. Most of > > the soldiers were unwilling participants and some managed to escape and even > > fight with the Americans. > > For some interesting reading (fact + fiction) see if your library has a copy > > of "Right hand of God". I don't have a record of the author... it was one of > > a series. > > > > History is a mystery!!!! > > > > Sylvia - Melbourne > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Many towns in Germany have the same name! Add the 5-digit > zip code in front of the name! Zip codes explained, > http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm >

I've noticed the recent emails regarding military service in Hesse. Some of you might be interested in the following book. It's quite interesting. Indentured to Liberty: Peasant Life & the Hessian Military State, 1688-1815. Author: Taylor, Peter K. Publisher: Cornell University Press Ithaca, NY, U. S. Regards, Kathleen _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy MSN 8 patented spam control and more with MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service. Try it FREE for one month! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup

In a message dated 11/2/2003 8:00:58 AM Lisa wrote the Hessen List: > The story is handed down in the family that our immigrant ancestor had to > leave the old country to avoid being conscripted into the Prussian army. He > > arrived here in 1857 as a single 22 year old. > > Does this make sense? I know the Hessians were mercenaries in the American > Revolution. Did they also fight in other countries' wars? > > I was thinking that the story was wrong. That he was trying to avoid the > Hessian army. He came from Allendorf on the Werra. We also had family from this area, Lisa. Would you care to share names and anything more? Researching Theiss, Schutz, Muller/Moller, Ochs, Happel, and many more from that general area. Margie in FL

>From: "Ruth M. Tomlinson" <rtomlinson@tm.net> Subject: 1840-1856 Josef >Schmitt or Schmidt > Can anyone help me find my ggrandmother and her family, they were living in Schifferstadt, Canton Speyer, Rhemish, Baveria in 1840. Ruth, I have several grandparents (Berkel, Mayer, Kraus, Sold, Neff, Kramer, etc.) from Schifferstadt. LDS church has them on films that include [1693-1748, FHL INTL Film #0367454, St. Jacob Catholic Church, Schifferstadt, Deutschland; Index records 1748-1784, FHL INTL Film #0367455; Baptismal Index, Marriage, Confirmation & Death records 1784-1823, FHL INTL Film #0367456, St. Jacob Catholic Church, Schifferstadt, Deutschland] At the city hall in Schifferstadt, I purchased 4 books pertaining to the history or early residents. I looked up Schmidt/Schmitt & found plenty of them, but much earlier years than what you stated. The book: “Familien und Einwohner in Schifferstadt; 12.-18 Jahrhundert.” Sincerely, Gerri... Geraldine Happel Graham San Antonio, TEXAS A tree will whither if no one tends to the roots... Family History http://members.aol.com/dickandgerri/ .............................................................................. ......................... Searching for: Armand Batteux Berkel Bick Bollfrass Boudemont Brensing Brill Bruchhaeuser Bruene Combe Cunningham Deusch Dissen Eckart Engel Ernst Ernsthauser Fichtenmayer Feld Fischer Franz Gleisener Graham Gresty Groll Gross Happel Herbold Henkel Hesse Hoehl Hughes Ibelshaeuser Jackson Keck Kelley Kleinschmitt Koehler Kramer Kraus Krueger Lake Leckinger Leiberg Levenz Lueckel Maier May Mayer McCauley Michelot Mucklerath Muecher Moeller Mueller Muteze Nalek Neff Neumeier Oschmann Rieger Robinson Schaefer Scheffel Scherer Schindel Schoeneweis Sold Staeckling Stahl Stremme Weissenmayer Weller Wolmar .............................................................................. .........................

Hi Lisa Was most interested to see your message about conscripts into the Prussian army. We have the same story about my Grandfather from Hesse-Darmstadt. Also a story that he and a brother "escaped" to Italy and came to Australia from there in 1856. (He was then 37). We have on record (in his obituary) that he was injured in the "Civil War" which I assumed was the Revolution of 1848. I have not been able to trace him as an emigrant from Hamburg and passenger lists for arrivals at Moreton Bay in 1856 were lost in a flood. I don't know what other records are available. Some time ago I read an article which stated that at that time young German males were snatched from their families and conscripted into the Prussian army, which was hired out to other countries. Apparently that is how there came to be a Hessian army in the American war, hired by George III. Most of the soldiers were unwilling participants and some managed to escape and even fight with the Americans. For some interesting reading (fact + fiction) see if your library has a copy of "Right hand of God". I don't have a record of the author... it was one of a series. History is a mystery!!!! Sylvia - Melbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: <MrDodger@aol.com> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 11:49 AM Subject: [HESSE] Hessian Soldiers > The story is handed down in the family that our immigrant ancestor had to > leave the old country to avoid being conscripted into the Prussian army. He > arrived here in 1857 as a single 22 year old. > > Does this make sense? I know the Hessians were mercenaries in the American > Revolution. Did they also fight in other countries' wars? > > I was thinking that the story was wrong. That he was trying to avoid the > Hessian army. He came from Allendorf on the Werra. That is definitely in Hesse, > right? > > Any light on the subject would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks from Lisa > in mild and lovely > upstate NY. > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/HESSE.html > to unsubscribe >

If he was trying to avoid military service, it would have been with the Hessen army, not the Prussian. At this period, mid 19th century, the practice of hiring regiments out to other countries had ceased. The Hessian and other troops who participated in the American Revolution were not considered mercenaries but auxiliary troops. These troops were part of the regular military establishment of their country of origin and were raised and paid by same. A mercenary is one who hires himself out for pay and is not part of any regular military establishment. David Rorer ----- Original Message ----- From: <MrDodger@aol.com> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 7:49 PM Subject: [HESSE] Hessian Soldiers > The story is handed down in the family that our immigrant ancestor had to > leave the old country to avoid being conscripted into the Prussian army. He > arrived here in 1857 as a single 22 year old. > > Does this make sense? I know the Hessians were mercenaries in the American > Revolution. Did they also fight in other countries' wars? > > I was thinking that the story was wrong. That he was trying to avoid the > Hessian army. He came from Allendorf on the Werra. That is definitely in Hesse, > right? > > Any light on the subject would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks from Lisa > in mild and lovely > upstate NY. > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/HESSE.html > to unsubscribe > >

The Prussian army did not hire out regiments. There were about six different states that furnished troops to England for service in America Prussia was not one of them. The Hessen and other soldiers in the American revolution fought well and bravely. Only a few deserted while a number received their discharge and stayed in America. The majority returned to Germany after their service was over. For more information on these troops see the series of books by Bruce Burgoyne which are available from Heritage Books. David Rorer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sylvia Stoltz" <sylvanem@alphalink.com.au> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Hessian Soldiers > Hi Lisa > Was most interested to see your message about conscripts into the Prussian > army. We have the same story about my Grandfather from Hesse-Darmstadt. > Also a story that he and a brother "escaped" to Italy and came to Australia > from there in 1856. (He was then 37). We have on record (in his obituary) > that he was injured in the "Civil War" which I assumed was the Revolution of > 1848. I have not been able to trace him as an emigrant from Hamburg and > passenger lists for arrivals at Moreton Bay in 1856 were lost in a flood. > I don't know what other records are available. > Some time ago I read an article which stated that at that time young German > males were snatched from their families and conscripted into the Prussian > army, which was hired out to other countries. Apparently that is how there > came to be a Hessian army in the American war, hired by George III. Most of > the soldiers were unwilling participants and some managed to escape and even > fight with the Americans. > For some interesting reading (fact + fiction) see if your library has a copy > of "Right hand of God". I don't have a record of the author... it was one of > a series. > > History is a mystery!!!! > > Sylvia - Melbourne > > ----- Original Message -----