Looking for information regarding JACOB KNORR born 1 Sept. 1846 in Hesse-Darmstadt, Germany and came to the USA in about 1864 also GEORGE HEHR born about 1829 in Hesse- Darmstadt, Germany and married FANNY FLAD born in Germany.

Coonrod/Conrad Ranker 1826-1907 Born Hesse-Darmstadt. Married to Elizabeth Weller 1815-1899 Would like to converse with German cousins. Thank you.

Just wanted to thank everyone for all their help. I have been in touch with Mr. Von Haden and am placing an order. I appreciate your endorsement. I have located the village, but still need to find the local archive where the records might be located. Any information in that regard would be appreciated. Jean Tauer

I imagine that you are already familiar with John von Haden's excellent website for Washington County: http://www.washcowis.com/ I think you will find Andrew Miller there; the person listed looked like him and his wife. I have ordered records from Mr. von Haden and have found his work to be superb. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Tauer" <jmtauer@execpc.com> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 1:22 PM Subject: [HESSE] Andrew Miller > I am researching the family of Andrew Miller (aka Joseph Miller, Andreas > Müller, Josef Andreas Müller) and his wife Marzella R.Wiegandt (also > known as Marcella, Mercella, Rosalia, and Sally). According to > Marzella's obit she was born in Giesel, Kreis Fuldau, Hesse, Germany. > I'm not sure if the spelling is 100% correct. Can anyone help me in > locating this village? Does anyone know where the records for this > village might be located? I suspect that Andrew was from the same area > if not the same village. The Miller's first settled in Wheeling, > Virginia (now West Virginia) and later moved to Portage County, Ohio. > Finally they homesteaded in Farmington, Wahsington County, Wisconsin. > Any help would be appreciated. > > Jean Tauer > > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/HESSE.html > to unsubscribe >

Jean, You can find the village Giesel here http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?latlongtype=decimal&latitude=50.5000&long itude=9.5667&size=big It is about 6 miles southwest of Fulda. I checked the LDS site for microfilms of their records but did not find any for Giesel. Perhaps someone else can direct you to the local church archives. Peter

I am researching the family of Andrew Miller (aka Joseph Miller, Andreas Müller, Josef Andreas Müller) and his wife Marzella R.Wiegandt (also known as Marcella, Mercella, Rosalia, and Sally). According to Marzella's obit she was born in Giesel, Kreis Fuldau, Hesse, Germany. I'm not sure if the spelling is 100% correct. Can anyone help me in locating this village? Does anyone know where the records for this village might be located? I suspect that Andrew was from the same area if not the same village. The Miller's first settled in Wheeling, Virginia (now West Virginia) and later moved to Portage County, Ohio. Finally they homesteaded in Farmington, Wahsington County, Wisconsin. Any help would be appreciated. Jean Tauer

I am researching the above names, and have started a new Roots Web mailing list for STEINWAY and STEINWEG, particularly the German to New York lines. If you would like to subscribe: send a message to STEINWAY-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains the word subscribe and nothing else. If you prefer digest mode, send the command instead to STEINWAY-D-request@rootsweb.com Donna Vaughn List Administrator Surnames in HESSE: Steinweg/Steinway, Fleck, Dietz

Hallo Listenteilnehmer, ich erhielt eine Anfrage von Bob Holby bzgl. Familie HOLBE in Rothenbergen. Ich habe nur wenige Infos zu HOLBE. Meine Daten: Hans Caspar HOLBE, * ca. 1640 in Rothenbergen ?, Religion ev. ?. oo vor/um 1667 in Rothenbergen? N.N. Kind: Hans Georg HOLBE, * 23 Mrz 1667 in Rothenbergen, Religion ev., + Febr. 1723 in Rothenbergen, begraben 23 Feb 1723 in Nieder-Gruendau (Kirchberg), oo III. 10 Nov 1698 in Nieder-Gründau Margaretha MEININGER (war seine 3. Ehe, 1. und 2. Ehefrau nicht bekannt), * 21 Jul 1669 in Nieder-Gruendau, (Tochter von Conrad Philipp MEININGER und Christina N.N.). Forscht jemand in Rothenbergen und kann Bob Holby helfen? Ich bin an allen Daten zu HOLBE und MEININGER interessiert. Antwort bitte an a.meininger@freenet.de und bobholby@worldconnx.net MfG Andreas Meininger Nachricht von Bob Holby: ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert L. Holby II To: Andreas Meininger Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 2:05 AM Subject: Re: Holbe Family Andreas, I can add to your Holbe file if you are interested. Would you know anyone near Rothenbergen who would do research for me? Thank You, Bob Holby Please note recent change in my e-mail address: bobholby@worldconnx.net Thank you

Hi Just wanted to say THANK YOU to all the wonderful people who replied to me regarding where Gönnheim was located. I was able to locate where it was, printed out the map for my family tree plus it was nice to know that area is still there today. One man even gave me mileage from closest larger city/town for perspective. I had looked at the Gönnheim FHC film at one time but it was in old german script and very hard to read..so my hopes of finding family church records are on hold at this point. Thanks again to all the very nice, helpful and generous people who took the time to help me. They were thanked personally but thought list should also know how wonderful it was to be helped...:) Take care Marie

You have to look for the Zivilstandsregister, most likely to find in the church archives in Darmstadt for the Protestants and in Limburg for the Catholics. Regards Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: <Litlkeg@aol.com> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:24 AM Subject: [HESSE] Duchy of Nassau > Available records show a possible ancestor came from "Duchy of Nassau" to USA > in about 1870-1875. > > I understand most of the former Duchy of Nassau is within Hesse now. > > Were birth/death records collected from the smaller towns and villages and > kept in the larger cities in the 1850's ? > > If so, what would be some of the main cities or towns in Hesse where birth > records might be located for the smaller towns and villages of the former Duchy > of Nassau ? > > Dave F > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Don't overlook the Hesse mailing list taglines at the > bottom of each list E-Mail you receive. Valuable infor- > mation is presented there! > >

Hello Christoph, Thank you once again for the information on Simmern (Westerwald) & Simmern unter Dhaun, pre 1815. It is important to know how to reference places as they were known within the time frame of our ancestors birth, before they migrated to another country. Great info Christoph. Kindest regards, Elizabeth At 05:38 AM 18/11/2003 +0000, you wrote: Dear Gay & Elizabeth, The Simmern I have written about is the Simmern (Hunsrück). The Simmern (Westerwald) was part of one of the many Nassau principalities. Simmern unter Dhaun is today part of the town Simmertal (55618), it was until 1815 in the area of the Rheingrafen. If some one of you interested in I can check up if it was after 1815 part of Prussia, Birkenfeld or Hessen-Darmstadt... Christoph -- Haupt'S finden&suchen Christoph Haupt Am Friedenstal 1/3 D-30627 Hannover TEL: +511 522313 FAX: +511 8793208 eMail: chg.C.Haupt@t-online.de www.haupt-researcher.de

Hi My gr.gr.grandfather put down Gönnheim, Rhine as where born on civil war record. He put down Bavaria, as where born, on 1860 census. I am confused as to where this area was about 1823 and also in 1850 before he came to America. Would appreciate help. Thank you Marie Gönnheim

Available records show a possible ancestor came from "Duchy of Nassau" to USA in about 1870-1875. I understand most of the former Duchy of Nassau is within Hesse now. Were birth/death records collected from the smaller towns and villages and kept in the larger cities in the 1850's ? If so, what would be some of the main cities or towns in Hesse where birth records might be located for the smaller towns and villages of the former Duchy of Nassau ? Dave F

A marriage of Margreta SCHMITT and Johannes SACHS took place in 1835 in Lindenfels, Hesse Darmstadt. I am supposedly the descendent of the first child of that union, Elisabeth SACHS. What I have found was that Catharina Elisabetha SCHMITTIN was the first child of Margreta SCHMITT born in 1831, four years before Margreta married Johannes SACHS. Johannes was probably, in fact most likely, was not the father. Johannes was the son of Johannes SACHS and Eva Elisabetha BRAUER. Logically these people are not part of my line, but according to the writings, obituaries, etc. of Catharina Elisabetha SCHMITTIN she considered Johannes SACHS her father. What do you do in this consideration? In most other illegitimate lines there is not male line to follow. Do you still consider the SACHS male line as part of your family or do you stop searching on that part of the line? Thanks Jay -- Jay E. Frank

Bernd During a web search of one of my surnames I came across a find that indicated you had posted a reply to a message I had posted to HESSE-L List. A search of the List Archives did not turn up a reply to the message that I had posted. This message was posted April 2001 and the subject was RAAB, MOELLER, RUESS, HERBERT, Buechenberg area. These surnames are those of my great grandfather's family and ancestors. If, you had posted a reply to my message and still have the data that relates to my surnames, I would appreciate it, if, you would contact me direct with the information. Jerry Dittman Boonsboro MD

Hi, Y'all! I am looking for further information on George Joseph Krausse, who was born April 26, 1819 in Cassel and immigrated to the U.S. around 1840. Wish I had more information to go on, but details of his life before he immigrated are sparse. If you believe you may have further information on George or his family, most especially before his immigration, or if you think you may be descended from (one of) the same line(s), please get in touch! Regards to All, Tanya G. Kloesel

Can someone tell me if there is any significance to the use of "Herr" in church records in Hesse in the 17th Century. I'm looking at 17th century confirmation records. The pastor didn't use the term in every entry. I looked for a pattern (deceased fathers, etc.), but there doesn't seem to be any consistency. Any insight will be appreciated. Regards, Kathleen New York City _________________________________________________________________ Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.)

According to the Catholic Church books from Salz and Molsberg, Johannes HASTRICH was born in Roth, Nassau, on Oct. 17, 1745, son of Johannes HASTRICH and Elisabeth HOFFMAN. On Feb. 18, 1773, he married Anna Marie KIPP from Molsberg, in that village. Subsequently, eight children of this marriage were born in Molsberg. Is there a kind, English-speaking soul on this list who might have access to these records, which, I am told, are in the archive of the Episcopate of Limburg and in the main Archive of Weisbaden. Need someone who would be willing to do some research on these children. Will pay any reasonable fee. Walt Grand Island NY

Thank you Werner: I had known of the Dalwigk name, however, knowing no details did not presume to comment on it. It might be useful for Pat to read up on the history of the area in the 17th and 18th cent. and to look through a good historical atlas covering that period. I can suggest two such: "Historical Atlas" by William R. Shepherd which is available in both German and English versions (the English version was reprinted in 1970 by George Philip and son Limited, Victoria Road, London, N.W. 10) "Putzger Historischer Weltatlas," Velhagen & Klasing. My copy was printed in 1969 though there may be a later version. There are several others, but perusing one of these will help the reader to understand the ebb and flow of borders through this rather turbulent time in history. David Rorer ----- Original Message ----- From: Antiquariu@aol.com To: drorer@fuse.net ; lauman48@yahoo.com Cc: hesse-l@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] MICHEL & DALWIGK of Hesse In a message dated 11/17/2003 5:49:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, drorer@fuse.net writes: Hannover could never be mistaken for Hanau. Most likely the parents were born in the kingdom of Hanover which was adjacent to the electorate of Hesse (Hesse-Kassel) From: "Pat Hanrahan" <lauman48@yahoo.com> I am searching for further information on the background for the family of my ancestor, Maria Juliana MICHEL who was born on 22 March 1803 in (35274) Kirchhain, Hessen Province. Her parents were Carl MICHEL (born 24 Dec 1771 in Kirchhain) and Anna Catharina DALWIGK. They were married on 29 Jan 1797 also in Kirchhain. Maria Juliana MICHEL later married Carl Fredrick STREIBELEIN on 22 August 1826 in Hesse-Kassel, Germany. In 1850, she moved to St. Louis, Missouri, USA with her children. The 1880 US Census gives some clues to her background. Her birthplace in the census is listed as "Kirchein" while the birthplace of both of her parents is listed as "Hanover." One clue that I was given is that Hanover could refer to either Hannover or Hanau in Hessen. I am assuming that this is a Huguenot family, but I have no proof for this connection. Any hints about how I could trace my MICHEL and/or DALWIGK families further back are more than welcome. Dear Pat - Kirchhain is a small fortified town in the immediate vicinity of Marburg, and at various times belonged to Waldeck, the Landgrave of Marburg, the Kingdom of Westphalia, Hesse-Kassel, and Hesse-Nassau. For your period of interest, it was definately part of Hessen. The Dalwigk name is an old noble family centered around the area of Korbach, sme thirty miles north of there and in Waldeck. A Dalwigk served as an officer in the American Revolution, and traces of the family are still to be found in the area (village of Dalwigksthal, Waldeck). I agree with Mr Rorer that you cannot confuse Hanau and Hannover, and would be inclined to believe Hannover here, since a family of the Uradel (von Dalwigk) would probably not marry far out of kingdom. Or, for that matter a Huguenot :-)). Another thing that speaks for Hannover is the fact that the von Dalwigk family has been very active in Hannover for over four centuries, right down to modern times. Can't help with the Michels. Werner Saemmler Hindrichs Director of Operations ALS, Inc 1-540-592-7215 Fax: 1-703-832-0692

In a message dated 11/17/2003 5:49:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, drorer@fuse.net writes: > Hannover could never be mistaken for Hanau. Most likely the parents were > born in the kingdom of Hanover which was adjacent to the electorate of Hesse > (Hesse-Kassel) > > > > From: "Pat Hanrahan" <lauman48@yahoo.com> > I am searching for further information on the background for the family of > my ancestor, Maria Juliana MICHEL who was born on 22 March 1803 in (35274) > Kirchhain, Hessen Province. Her parents were Carl MICHEL (born 24 Dec 1771 in > Kirchhain) and Anna Catharina DALWIGK. They were married on 29 Jan 1797 also > in Kirchhain. > Maria Juliana MICHEL later married Carl Fredrick > STREIBELEIN on 22 August 1826 in Hesse-Kassel, Germany. In 1850, she moved to St. > Louis, Missouri, USA with her children. The 1880 US Census gives some clues to > her background. Her birthplace in the census is listed as "Kirchein" while > the birthplace of both of her parents is listed as "Hanover." One clue that I > was given is that Hanover could refer to either Hannover or Hanau in Hessen. > I am assuming that this is a Huguenot family, but I have no proof for this > connection. Any hints about how I could trace my MICHEL and/or DALWIGK > families further back are more than welcome. > Dear Pat - Kirchhain is a small fortified town in the immediate vicinity of Marburg, and at various times belonged to Waldeck, the Landgrave of Marburg, the Kingdom of Westphalia, Hesse-Kassel, and Hesse-Nassau. For your period of interest, it was definately part of Hessen. The Dalwigk name is an old noble family centered around the area of Korbach, sme thirty miles north of there and in Waldeck. A Dalwigk served as an officer in the American Revolution, and traces of the family are still to be found in the area (village of Dalwigksthal, Waldeck). I agree with Mr Rorer that you cannot confuse Hanau and Hannover, and would be inclined to believe Hannover here, since a family of the Uradel (von Dalwigk) would probably not marry far out of kingdom. Or, for that matter a Huguenot :-)). Another thing that speaks for Hannover is the fact that the von Dalwigk family has been very active in Hannover for over four centuries, right down to modern times. Can't help with the Michels. Werner Saemmler Hindrichs Director of Operations ALS, Inc 1-540-592-7215 Fax: 1-703-832-0692