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    1. Re: [HESSE] RE: HESSE-D Digest V03 #249
    2. Pen
    3. Hi, Following the help of a distant cousin in Germany I now find I have new names to offer: Wilhelm Heinrich Clos (or Klos) Anna Martha Mueller Valentin Clos Catherina Ross All in and around Neukirchen Hesse. Thanks, Take Care, Pen Researching: Bridgewood,Byerley,Cummins,Hall,Hunter,Lindsay,McTear,Smith,Williams. in the North East. Clos,Kause,Ort,Orth,Tibby,Wenzel. in London and Germany. Bonus,Clements,Cutting, Partridge, Pinner in Suffolk,London & Hants. Norbury,Quayle,Singleton,Woodhead in Yorks. Apologies in advance for any tardy replies, frequent migraines not conducive to PC work. Sorry!!

    01/17/2004 01:56:22
    1. [HESSE] Easter Weekend in Germany
    2. Dear Hesse List, I hate to ask this on this list, realizing this question is off topic. I will be travelling in Germany during Easter weekend. According to Fodor's, Good Friday, Easter, and Easter Monday are national holidays in Germany. Does this mean that all the stores, restaurants, churches, gas stations, restaurants, museums, etc. would be closed that whole time? I would love to know, so I can be prepared. My time will be short in Germany, so I am nervous about it. I will be in small towns and villages, and will not be on the autobahn or large highways. Thank you for your suggestions. Sincerely, Katherine

    01/17/2004 11:41:19
    1. [HESSE] Can anyone help me with this...
    2. Gisela E. G. Meckstroth
    3. I have been asked to read/translate a terribly bad copy of an old page. At the bottom, the Text says, "Daß Solches mit dem hiesigen Kirchenbuche gleichlaute wird hiermit Sub Fidi pastorati beglaubigt. Loebenstein, den 3. April 1847. Johann Heinrich Mauhold. Pastor primar. dehigniet. Epkoriae Vicar" Is anyone familiar with Latin words "Sub Fidi pastorati" and with the title/office of this person who signed? Gisela Meckstroth Reynoldsburg, Ohio

    01/17/2004 06:25:19
    1. [HESSE] Kann mir, bitte, jemand helfen?
    2. Gisela E. G. Meckstroth
    3. Man hat mir eine (schlechte) Kopie eines alten Dokumentes zu lesen/uebersetzen gegeben. Am Ende des Textes heisst es, "Daß Solches mit dem hiesigen Kirchenbuche gleichlaute wird hiermit Sub Fidi pastorati beglaubigt. Loebenstein, den 3. April 1847. Johann Heinrich Mauhold. Pastor primar. dehigniet. Epkoriae Vicar" Kennt sich jemand mit den lateinischen Worden "Sub Fidi pastorati" und mit dem Title/Amt des Unterzeichners aus? Ich waere fuer Hilfe damit sehr dankbar. Gisela Meckstroth Reynoldsburg, Ohio

    01/17/2004 06:24:24
    1. [HESSE] Latin translation in Death Records
    2. In some mid 1800's German death records, I found this phrase which had been penned in, some years after the death event; I believe it is in Latin: " Vidi in visitatione decanali die 27 Jul 1865" It was signed by a church official, with the latin "decanus" for "deacon" under his name. I found several other similar entries with different dates and years. Does anybody know what this means and why it would be added to old death records ? Thanks Dave F

    01/16/2004 03:41:04
    1. [HESSE] RE: HESSE-D Digest V03 #249
    2. I would any information oabout the family of John George Fischer born 28 July 1786 in Flonheim bei Alzey and his wife Catherine Stump born Flonhei Bei Alzey 28 November 1791. -----Original Message----- From: HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:00 AM To: HESSE-D@rootsweb.com Subject: HESSE-D Digest V03 #249

    01/16/2004 03:01:18
    1. [HESSE] VOSS, * 1840 / SCHILLING, * 1831 in Yeldsburg, Geldsburg, Gilstnich, Germany / MEININGER, * um 1830, Pittsburg, Pennsylvania
    2. Andreas Meininger
    3. Hallo Listenteilnehmer, nachfolgend eine Anfrage von Nancy Whelan sowie Ergänzungen aus meiner Datenbank. Wer hat Informationen zu SCHILLING oo VOSS sowie MEININGER oo WALKER? Welche Orte sind mit Yeldsburg, Geldsburg und Gilstnich gemeint? Antworten bitte an mich a.meininger@freenet.de und an njwserv@locallink.net MfG Andreas Meininger ----- Original Message ----- From: n To: a.meininger@freenet.de Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 12:50 AM Subject: schilling, wilhelm fredrick Hi my name is Nancy Whelan I am a decendent of Wilhelm Fredrick SCHILLING Born: 15 September 1831 ? Germany Died: 17 September 1881 Ohio, USA Wife: Sophie VOSS ? Wilhamine VOSS Born: 25 December 1840 ? Germany Died: 3 September 1877 Ohio, USA Married : ? Yeldsburg, Geldsburg, Gilstnich, Germany Can you help me find this Branch of the SCHILLING family? Nachfolgend meine Daten: 1. Peter MEININGER #2910 b. um 1830, Pittsburg, Pennsylvania / USA, m. vor/um 1856, in Pittsburg ?, Pennsylvania / USA, Margaretha WALKER #2911, b. um 1834, Pittsburg, Pennsylvania / USA, d. 30 Jun 1902, Pittsburg ?, Pennsylvania / USA. Peter died 11 Apr 1908, Pittsburg ?, Pennsylvania / USA. Children: + 2. i Louise Mary Margarete MEININGER #2912 b. 16 Jun 1856. Second Generation 2. Louise Mary Margarete MEININGER #2912 (1.Peter1) b. 16 Jun 1856, Pittsburg, Pennsylvania / USA, m. 6 Jun 1875, in Chicago, Cook, IL / USA, George Augustus SCHILLING #2913, b. 16 Aug 1853, Geldsburg, Yeldsburg, Gilstnich, Germany, (son of William F. SCHILLING #2914 and Sophie N.N. #2915) d. 25 Jul 1948, Chicago, Cook, IL / USA. Louise died 22 Nov 1950, Chicago, Cook, IL / USA. Children: 3. i George Louis SCHILLING #2919 b. 5 May 1876, Pittsburg, Allegheny, Pennsyv. / USA, d. 15 Nov 1956, Chicago, Cook, IL / USA, begr. 17 Nov 1956, Chicago, Cook, IL / USA. 4. ii Mary Augusta SCHILLING #2920 b. 25 Aug 1878, Pittsburg, Pennsylvania / USA, d. 10 Mar 1970. 5. iii Sophia SCHILLING #2921 b. 2 Apr 1881, Pittsburg, Pennsylvania / USA, d. 16 Feb 1920. 6. iv Walter William SCHILLING #2922 b. 6 Aug 1883, Pittsburg, Pennsylvania / USA, d. 31 Aug 1953. 7. v Margarethe A. SCHILLING #2923 b. 19 Sep 1886, Pittsburg, Pennsylvania / USA, d. 11 Jul 1966. 8. vi Matilda Jeanette SCHILLING #2924 b. 21 Sep 1889, Pittsburg, Pennsylvania / USA, d. 11 Feb 1963. 9. vii Edna Augusta SCHILLING #2925 b. 6 Sep 1892, Beaver Falls, PA / USA, d. 19 Jan 1965.

    01/14/2004 11:15:37
    1. [HESSE] HASTRICH research
    2. Walter J. Hastrich
    3. Looking for English-speakin g individual with access to Archive of Limburg and the main state Archive of Weisbaden, in particular the parochial registers of Molsberg. Need research done on above surname. Period early 1800's. Please state fees and/or deposit required. Walter Hastrich Grand Island NY USA

    01/13/2004 06:32:25
    1. Re: [HESSE] Johannes KOCH b. 20 Sept 1828
    2. Elizabeth
    3. Hello Phil, Go to http://www.ekkw.de/archiv/ click on English on the left hand side of your screen,then click on microfilming church records. A list will appear, you can E-mail them, you will have to pay, ask for a quote. The Mormons have not filmed many records in this area at all. address: Lessingstraße 15 A 34119 Kassel Tel.: (0561) 78876-0 Fax: (0561) 78876-11 URL: http://www.ekkw.de/archiv e-mail: ekkw.archiv@t-online.de Good luck, Greetings from Australia, Elizabeth At 01:38 PM 12/01/2004 -0800, you wrote: >Johannes Koch was born in Herzeroth? or Hetzenroth? (source information >not clear) Eschwege Kurhessen. > >Where in Germany might this place be located? Would there be church >records available for this area? > >Phil Roekle > > > > > > >==== HESSE Mailing List ==== >Don't overlook the Hesse mailing list taglines at the >bottom of each list E-Mail you receive. Valuable infor- >mation is presented there!

    01/13/2004 06:23:47
    1. Re: [HESSE] Johannes KOCH b. 20 Sept 1828
    2. In a message dated 1/12/04 1:39:19 PM, azo5282@yahoo.com writes: << Johannes Koch was born in Herzeroth? or Hetzenroth? (source information not clear) Eschwege Kurhessen. Where in Germany might this place be located? Would there be church records available for this area? >> There is a place called Hitzerode in Kreis Eschwege, Hessen, now 37297 Berkatal, I believe. It is in the northeastmost area of Hessen, about 5.5 miles nw of the town of Eschwege. There are church and civil records filmed for surrounding parishes of Frankershausen, Albungen, Wellingerode, & Frankenhain (all in Kr. Eschwege); as well as Orferode, Kleinvach, & Weiden (all in Kr. Witzenhausen). I'd start with Wellingerode and work my way around these others. They may contain records for Hitzerode. These records are the ones filmed by the FHL and can be rented to your local FHC. Look them up in the FHLC for film#s and information. Dona Ritchie

    01/13/2004 06:14:04
    1. Re: [HESSE] Johannes KOCH b. 20 Sept 1828
    2. Ralf Doersam
    3. > > Johannes Koch was born in Herzeroth? or Hetzenroth? (source information not clear) Eschwege Kurhessen. > Where in Germany might this place be located? Would there be church records available for this area? > Phil Roekle > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Good evening Phil, I think this one is closest: http://gov.genealogy.net/ort.jsp?id=65300 37284 Hetzerode in Hessen RB Kassel Similary sounding: http://gov.genealogy.net/ort.jsp?id=67482 41812 Hetzerath in Nordrhein-Westfalen RB Köln or http://gov.genealogy.net/ort.jsp?id=72978 54523 Hetzerath Rheinland-Pfalz RB Trier For ZIP 37284 Hetzerode (Waldkappel) there are 16 Koch-families living: http://tinyurl.com/2l3c2 Good luck, Ralf

    01/12/2004 04:32:00
    1. [HESSE] family search
    2. Barbara Gessner
    3. Would you have any information on a Jacob Gessner and his bride immigrating to Austria in 1782 from Heppenheim (Hesse or Baden)? Bill Gessner

    01/12/2004 01:43:36
    1. [HESSE] Johannes KOCH b. 20 Sept 1828
    2. Philip Roekle
    3. Johannes Koch was born in Herzeroth? or Hetzenroth? (source information not clear) Eschwege Kurhessen. Where in Germany might this place be located? Would there be church records available for this area? Phil Roekle

    01/12/2004 06:38:19
    1. [HESSE] Re: HESSE-D Digest V04 #3
    2. Jay Frank
    3. On 1/8/04 4:00 PM, "HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com" <HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Jay: > Following are the translations for some of the words you listed > > Administratoris = administrator, sometimes of an estate > Archisatrapia = high-ranking official > Dominus = in a secular context: lord, master, sir > in conflatorius vitreu = a "conflator" is a metal caster; "conflatorium" is a > furnace; "vitreus" = transparent, of glass, porcelain. (Hard to translate > without seeing the original text.) > Ludimagistri = teacher (ludimoderator = school master) > Praetor = Mayor > Scabini = member of a small claims court > Senator = city/municipal councilman; senator > Venator = hunter > vagabundi = wanderer/gypsy > vigesime = 20th > vitriaricus = glazier > > Two good sources for Latin are the Genealogical Dictionary by Ernest Thode > (available on CD) and Dictionary of Ecclesiastical Latin, by Leo F. Stelten. > > Paul C. Miller Hi Paul, Thank you very much for the help and the suggestion of a resource. My modern Latin dictionary did not do it. All of the words helped and fit except "en conflatorius vitreu". It is located in the column with the villages where the marriage took place. It is the first column of a three column ledger. The middle column, the widest, contains the full written text of everything about the marriage. The third column contains the names of the bride and the groom. The text contains the village names that are listed in the first column, but it never contains "en conflatorius vitreu". The occupations of the people are generally listed in the text whether this phrase is included or not. The occupations were listed if they were more than common citizens. The "en conflatorius vitreu" words appeared in front of both important and standard citizens, I am still stumped. Again, thank you for the help. Jay -- Jay E. Frank,

    01/09/2004 02:48:19
    1. [HESSE] Re: HESSE-D Latin Record Translations
    2. In a message dated 1/7/2004 11:02:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: I am having trouble with some of the words in German records. The Latin words that do not appear in any of the Latin or Latin Genealogical dictionaries to which I have access. Hi Jay: Following are the translations for some of the words you listed Administratoris = administrator, sometimes of an estate Archisatrapia = high-ranking official Dominus = in a secular context: lord, master, sir in conflatorius vitreu = a "conflator" is a metal caster; "conflatorium" is a furnace; "vitreus" = transparent, of glass, porcelain. (Hard to translate without seeing the original text.) Ludimagistri = teacher (ludimoderator = school master) Praetor = Mayor Scabini = member of a small claims court Senator = city/municipal councilman; senator Venator = hunter vagabundi = wanderer/gypsy vigesime = 20th vitriaricus = glazier Two good sources for Latin are the Genealogical Dictionary by Ernest Thode (available on CD) and Dictionary of Ecclesiastical Latin, by Leo F. Stelten. Paul C. Miller

    01/08/2004 02:37:42
    1. [HESSE] Familienname Flühe (auch Fluehe undFlüh!)
    2. Hallo, Forscherfreunde! Wer forscht nach dem Namen Flühe (auch Flüh!) und kann mir mitteilen, von wo bzw. zu welcher Zeit dieser Name nach Deutschland gekommen ist? Mit den besten Grüßen Hermann Nobel http://www.hermannnobel.de Am Hang 8, 65199 Wiesbaden, Telefon: 0611 - 421 584, Fax (AOL): 040 360 378 4190

    01/07/2004 09:09:50
    1. [HESSE] Latin Record Translations-1780
    2. Jay Frank
    3. I am having trouble with some of the words in German records. The Latin words that do not appear in any of the Latin or Latin Genealogical dictionaries to which I have access. Such as: Administratoris Archi=Satrapia Conto=graphic Dominus ­ when this appears in front of a name of a witness does it mean that he is part of the clergy En Conflatorius Vitreu - appears where the village name normally appeared or listed at the front of the record Ludi=Magistri - Is this a school master? Piffer Pra¹tor ­ Praetor ­ Praitor ­Magistrate of village? Mayor or? Satrapi ­ govenor of village? Scabini- what is the occupation Senator ­ sometimes Venator Vage ­ Vagibundi ­ does this mean wanderer or gypsy or just not of this village Vigesime - appears in front of the date when it is listed and sometime only a month is provided. Vitriaricus Thanks for the help. Jay -- Jay E. Frank

    01/07/2004 02:08:07
    1. [HESSE] Nobel/Noble/Pape (u.a. Gut Söder, Groß Rhüden, Einwanderung,Wallfahrt Ottbergen)
    2. Hallo, Forscherfreunde! wer kann mir Auskunft geben über den Verbleib der Archivalien des Gutes Söder. Da die Sterbeeintragungen im katholischen Kirchenbuch Söder erst 1754 beginnen, bin ich gezwungen, auf der Suche nach dem in Groß Rhüden vermutlich aus Savoyen, resp. schweizer- bzw. französischen Grenzregion, eingewanderten und in Söder beschäftigten Joes Henricus Nobel (auch Noble!), verh. 24.11.1733 Groß Rhüden, mit Cath. Margaretha    Pape, verstorben außerhalb von Groß Rhüden, wahrscheinlich auf auf einem      landwirtschaftlichen Anwesen (evtl. Gut Söder!), in der Zeit vom 01.-14.08.1746, die Archivbestände dieses Gutes zu überprüfen. Wer kann mir außerdem folgende Fragen beantworten: Existieren in Niedersachsen Archivalien über              aa) Einwanderer?              bb) Schäfer oder sonstige landwirtschaftlich Beschäftigte?              cc) Pilger aus dem Ausland?              dd) Wallfahrten zum Kapellenberg in Ottbergen. War aufgrund der Vision                    eines Schäfers in der 2. Hälfte des 17. Jahrhunderts dieser Berg auch ein                    Wallfahrtsort der Schäfer aus dem Ausland? Nachstehend noch weitere Namen aus der Region Niedersachsen, die u.a. Gegenstand meiner Forschungen betr. Nobel sind: B                 BANK                                 Broistedt                    BIEGLING                           Gittelde                    BINDER                              Klein Elbe; Gittelde                    BOELSSHAUSEN               Gittelde D                 DEIKE                                Gittelde                    DOHMEYER                       Gittelde F                 FLEIGE                              Groß Heere; Groß Elbe                    FRICKE                              Broistedt G                GERLACH                           Westerlinde; Hilkerode H                HAUENSCHILD                    Gittelde; Ahlshausen                    HAUSMANN                       Schellerten                    HELLWIG                           Gittelde                    HUG                                   Gittelde J                 JACOB                               Hilkerode K                 KAUFMANN                       Gittelde                    KNACKSTEDT/                   Groß Elbe                    KNACKSTERDT                     KRONJÄGER                      Gittelde L                 LAGERSHAUSEN               Gittelde; Teichhütte                            LEIFHEIT                            Gittelde M                MEINBERG                         Osterode/Harz                    MEYER                              Bornhausen                    MÜLLER                             Bornhausen N                 NOBEL/NOBLE                  Bornhausen; Groß Rhüden                    NOLTEN                             Gittelde O                OPPERMANN                     Bornhausen                    OSSENKOPP                     Lechstedt; Nordassel P                 PAPE                                Gittelde, Groß Rhüden                    PROBST                            Bornhausen; Gittelde                    PUSTEN                             Dannhausen; Bornhausen; Klein Elbe R                 ROBBIN                             Gittelde, Osterode/Harz                    RUSCHE                            Gittelde       S                 SANDER                            Gittelde                      SCHROPPE                       Gittelde                    STOTEN                             Gittelde     T                 TIMME                                Bornhausen W                WEDEKIND                        Gittelde                    WROITEL                           Groß Heere; Klein Elbe Z                 ZACHARIAS                        Nordassel Näheres hierüber siehe auch meine Homepage unter "NobelahnenVater"! Über sachdienliche Hinweise würde ich mich sehr freuen! Mit den besten Grüßen Hermann Nobel http://www.hermannnobel.de Am Hang 8, 65199 Wiesbaden, Telefon: 0611 - 421 584, Fax (AOL): 040 360 378 4190

    01/03/2004 05:14:46
    1. [HESSE] Axer Familiennamen
    2. Robbie L. Oxier
    3. Hallo zu allen, Mein Vorfahr Johann Michael Axer von Armsheim Auswanderungs von Armsheim nach Amerika. Er kam vom Tor von Philidelphia an September 24, 1742 an Bord des Schiffs "Robert und Alice" an. Er wurde später von seinem Bruder ChristianAxer 1749 verbunden. Sie sind Söhne von einem George Axer von Armsheim. Ich suche nach allen möglichen Informationen für das Axers von dieser Region und bevor sie zu Armsheim Auswanderungs. Sie werden vorausgesetzt, um von der Kerpen Region vor dem dreißig Jahr-Krieg zu sein und umgewandelt möglicherweise in Reformiert / Evangelisch Religion von ihrem Katholischen Glauben über diese gleiche Ära. Kann jemand mich geben raten auf, wie man herausfindet, wo Georg geboren wurde, wenn die Kircheaufzeichnungen für ihn jetzt von der Invasion zerstört werden? Alle Vorschläge sind willkommen. Es gibt so viel Axers in der Köln Nähe. Georg kann Brüder Michael und Peter und Schwester Catharina und Barbara, Armsheim/Lonsheim von der Nähe haben. Später im 19. Jahrhun! dert, gingen etwas von der Axer Familie auch Alzey, Mainz und Darmstadt zur Nähe. Gibt es irgendwelche Axer leute, die noch in der Hessen / Rheinhessen region leben? Danke, Grüße von Ohio, Rob Oxier (Axer)

    12/31/2003 05:37:49
    1. [HESSE] Re: [Hessen-L] DOLP / Dölp oo Röttger
    2. Andreas Meininger
    3. Hallo Arthur, hallo Listenteilnehmer, nach dem Genealogen-Lexikon von Pauli sucht nach DOLP 1740 in Erbach Breitinger, Erwin, Kirchberg 18, 75038 Oberderdingen (Tel. u. e-mail nicht angegeben) MfG Andreas Meininger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Reeg" <arthur@reeg.info> To: "HESSENLAND-L" <HESSENLAND-L@rootsweb.com>; <hessen-l@genealogy.net> Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 1:05 PM Subject: [Hessen-L] Dölp oo Röttger Hallo liebe Listenfreunde, immer noch suche ich nach der Herkunft meiner Ur-Urgroßmutter Maria Catharina Dölp. Ich habe außer dem Namen keine Daten von ihr. Sie war verheiratet mit dem Großherzoglich Hessischen Brigadier Johann Adam Röttger. * 26.01.1805 in Hassenroth/Odw., + 08.11.1871 in Hassenroth, der um 1850 in Fürth/Odw. stationiert war.

    12/28/2003 04:06:28