hello list , I just gotta ask ; how do I find the name of the town my gg daddy was born in ? , I know that it was in Starkenburg , Hesse , Darmstadt , Germany or is that Starkenburg , Darmstadt , Hesse , Germany ?? Anyway , I would think I need the Town to get the records for the family yes ?? , Phil

Dear Listers: I'm researching the origin of Conrad Becker, supposedly of Grosen-Buseck, Hesse-Darmstadt. From good authority in genealogy there, we have been given what they believe to be true. The ages, and arrival times match very well. Our dilema is on Conrad's marriage record in Ontario, Canada, his mother was listed as Elizabeth Blum. His sister, Anna Margaret's marriage record did not show the mother's maiden name. The records show Conrad (14) shipping out of Hamburg in 1882 with sisters? Katherina (19), and Catherina (23) on "The Gellert", landing in Philadelphia. From there at least two of them made their way to Ontario. We still have questions. We've been told Conrad's mother was Elizabeth Kramer. Was she married twice? Did the girls have three or four given names thus choosing which ones they wished to be called when they emigrated? Where did the second sister? go? The Census in Canada answered that Anna Margaret emigrated in 1882. Anecdotal information was that Conrad came at the age of 14, travelled with an older sister and they left from Hamburg. A small trunk supposedly had Darmstadt printed on it, and a daughter of Anna-Margaret said they came from Darmstadt, Hesse, at that time apparently an Arch-Duchy of 1,200 towns and villages. I wonder if we'll ever find the answers? Andy

Hallo Listenteilnehmer, ich suche für Bob Holby nach Informationen über die Familie HOLBE(N) aus Rothenbergen, Mittel- und Niedergruendau sowie Lieblos, welche in die USA auswanderten. Die mir bekannten HOLBE folgen nach der Nachricht von Bob Holby. Nachrichten bitte an mich, ich leite dann weiter. MfG Andreas Meininger ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Holby To: Andreas Meininger Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 3:12 PM Subject: Re: Holbe in Rothenbergen Yes Andreas, Hans George HOLBE had a brother, Ulrich HOLBE, born & baptized June 14, 1676. Ulrich HOLBE had a son, Johannes, baptized January 28, 1720. Johannes had a son, Wilhelm, born November 20, 1742, baptized November 25, 1742. This Wilhelm emmigrated to America, along with some of his uncles and father. His father died shortly after arrival, Wilhelm was raised by Sylvester, another brother of Ulrich and Johannes. Two more brothers, Johann Conrad and Johannes Jacob also emmigrated to America. We are still looking for an Ernestine Louisa HOLBEN, who we think was a daughter to Ulrich, but have not found her yet. Bob Holby Meine Daten aus "Familien im Gericht Gründau (Gruendau)" von Johannes Götz (Goetz), in: Hessische Familienkunde, Band 12, 1974/75, Spalte 443 ff.; Band 13, 1976/77, Spalte 87 ff.; Band 18, 1986/87, Spalte 33 ff. Für Trauung (oo) und/oder Taufe (~) ohne Ortsangabe = ev. Kirche auf dem Berg. For marriage (oo) and/or christening (~) without place = ev. Kirche auf dem Berg. Spalte 90: Hans Caspar HOLBE, * ca. 1640 in Rothenbergen ?, oo vor/um 1667 in Rothenbergen? N.N. Sohn: Hans Georg HOLBE, * 23 Mrz 1667 in Rothenbergen, + Febr. 1723 in Rothenbergen, # 23 Feb 1723 in Nieder-Gruendau (Kirchberg), oo 10 Nov 1698 in Nieder-Gruendau Margaretha MEININGER, * 21 Jul 1669 in Nieder-Gruendau, (Tochter von Conrad Philipp MEININGER u. Christina N.N.). Margaretha MEININGER war seine 3. Ehefrau. Spalte 446: HOLBE, Andreas, in Rothenbergen, Vater: Hans Caspar HOLBE, Schmied in Rothenbergen, * Rothenbergen 25.04.1679, + Rothenbergen, # 28.06.1718, oo 09.12.1707 FAß (FASS), Catharina Louisa, Andreas HOLBEN Frau, * Rothenbergen, ~ 18.06.1682, Patin am 04.10.1699, + Rothenbergen, # 10.03.1731 Vater: Daniel FAß (FASS), senior, Ackermann in Rothenbergen, * 1651, + Rothenbergen, # 13.05.1731, oo 08.01.1673 Mutter: Anna SCHREIBER (Vater: Hans SCHREIBER), * Rothenbergen 1652, + Rothenbergen, # 02.03.1728 (12 Kinder) HOLBE, Sylvester, in Rothenbergen, Vater: Hans Peter HOLBE, ~ 24.04.1702, oo 08.11.1731 MÜLLER (MUELLER), Anna Maria, Tochter des Wolf Dietrich MÜLLER (MUELLER), jun. (* Lieblos, ~ 17.12.1673), * Lieblos, ~ 25.01.1705, Patin am 29.10.1739 als Anna Maria, Daniel FAßEN (FASSEN) Wittib (Witwe) von Lieblos, oo I. 08.11.1725 FAß (FASS), Daniel, in Lieblos, * Lieblos, ~ 22.12.1700, + Lieblos, # 29.05.1729 oo II. 08.11.1731 Sylvester HOLBE Spalte 447: Fuerstlich Ysenburg-Buedingische Hausarchiv, in Buedingen, Schloss, Daemonologie, Fasc, 3, Nr. 36; Lieblos 21.06.1653: "Unter dem Rathauß (Rathaus) daselbst" als Hexen enthauptet: ... Elß (Elss), Hans HOLBEN fraw (Frau) daselbst; ... Spalte 449: HOLBE, Johannes, in Niedergruendau, Vater: Hans Caspar HOLBE, * Rothenbergen 17.06.1671, + Niedergruendau, # 03.12.1727, oo 13.02.1696 LAUTENBACH, Anna Christina, * Lieblos, ~ 04.07.1675 Eltern: Georg LAUTENBACH, * 1646, oo 15.11.1671 Susanna ECKART, * 1651, + 1678 Spalte 450: HOLBE, Christoph, in Rothenbergen, Vater: Hans Caspar HOLBE, * Rothenbergen, ~ 28.02.1683, oo I. 31.01.1712 KUHL, Anna Maria, Vater: Johann Conrad KUHL, * Rothenbergen, ~ 05.09.1688, + 1714, oo II. 06.01.1719 LAUTERBACH, Elisabeth, * Niedergruendau 20.10.1696 Vater: Johann Balthasar LAUTENBACH, in Niedergruendau, * Lieblos 10.09.1672, + Niedergruendau, # 06.11.1701, oo 20.01.1695 Anna Catharina KUHL, aelteste Tochter des Conrad KUHL, * Rothenbergen 07.10.1676, oo II. 18.05.1702 Henrich SCHI(E)F(F)ER Spalte 326: HOLBE, Anna Catharina, Tochter des Hans HOLBE, * Rothenbergen, ~ 29.06.1656, + Rothenbergen, # 17.02.1692, oo 24.11.1675 STUMPF, Johann in Rothenbergen, * 1650, + Rothenbergen 1713, oo II. 05.12.1695 Anna Elisabeth FRANTZ, Tochter des Peter FRANTZ aus Niedergruendau, + Rothenbergen, # 08.02.1728 HOLBE, Margaretha, Schwester von Anna Catharina, Tochter des Hans HOLBE, * Rothenbergen 03.10.1658, + Rothenbergen, # 18.01.1695 oo 27.02.1678 STUMPF, Johannes in Rothenbergen, * 1651, + Rothenbergen, # 12.09.1732 oo I. Maria ., * 1650, + Rothenbergen, # 18.10.1677, Johannes STUMPFEN Hausfrau, alters 27 Jahr, oo II. 27.02.1678 Margaretha HOLBE oo III. 07.03.1695 Anna Catharina, verw. FISCHER, als gewesene Beschliesserin auf Schloss Meerholz, (oo I. ? FISCHER, Hans Georg, in Berleburg), * ?, + Rothenbergen, # 03.07.1710; oo II. 07.03.1695 Johannes STUMPF HOLBE, Elisabeth, Tochter des Ulrich HOLBE, * Rothenbergen, ~ 22.12.1712, oo 17.01.1732 STUMPF, Johann Daniel, in Rothenbergen, * Rothenbergen, ~ 12.09.1708 Spalte 45: HOLBE, Anna Maria, Tochter des Hans HOLBE, aus Rothenbergen, * ?, + Niedergruendau, # 26.02.1728, oo 30.01.1684 SCHLEUCHER, Johann Arnold, in Niedergruendau, Kirchenrüger (4) bis 1710, * 05.01.1665, + nach 1713, vor Dez. 1715 (4) Acta presbyterii II. S. 117: Auf dem Berg 1710 d. 7. Juni ... "da die Kirchen Rüger (Rueger) als Georg FRICKEL, Peter HOLBE, Arnold SCHLEUCHER und Peter DAUTH umb ihre erlaßung (erlassung) gebeten, und ist ihnen dieser bescheit gegeben, sich noch in etwas dieses Ampts zu bedienen, bis man sich würde (wuerde) berathschlaget haben, andere tüchtige (tuechtige) subjecta Zu erwehlen". Spalte 352: HOLBE, Anna Margaretha, Tochter des Hans Peter HOLBE, * Rothenbergen, ~ 28.03.1692, oo 30.11.1711 OTT, Johann Adam, in Lieblos, ~ 04.12.1689, Mormonen (Internet), Quelle: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/ (Auswahl) Hans HOLBE (AFN: XQG9-NL) Birth: Abt. 1632 <Rothenbergen, H-N, Germany> Submitter(s): KLAUS D SCHMITT 9500 SO 1400 E SANDY UT Submission: AF93-100577 USA 84092 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Husband's Name Hans HOLBE (AFN:XQG9-NL) Born: Abt. 1632 Place: <Rothenbergen, H-N, Germany> Father: Mother: Children Margaretha HOLBE (AFN:XQG9-QX) Born: 1658 Place: Christened: 3 Oct 1658 Place: Rothenbergen, H-N, Germany Died: 18 Jan 1695 Place: Rothenbergen, H-N, Germany Marriage: 27 Feb 1678 Rothenbergen, H-N, Germany Johannes STUMPF (AFN: XQG9-Z5) Born: 1651 Place: Rothenbergen, H-N, Germany Died: 19 Sep 1732 Place: Rothenbergen, H-N, Germany Father: Conrad STUMPF (AFN:XQG9-TG) Mother: Mrs. Elisabeth STUMPF (AFN:XQG9-VM) Place: Children 1. Anna Maria STUMPF (AFN:XQG9-C2) Born: 1679 Place: Christened: 28 Jun 1679 Place: Rothenbergen, H-N, Germany Died: 17 Feb 1729 Place: Rothenbergen, H-N, Germany 2. Maria Catharina STUMPF (AFN:XQG9-FD) Born: 1681 Place: Christened: 13 Nov 1681 Place: Rothenbergen, H-N, Germany 3. Anna Margaretha STUMPF (AFN:XQG9-HQ) Born: 1684 Place: Christened: 17 Jan 1684 Place: Rothenbergen, H-N, Germany 4. Johann Peter STUMPF (AFN:XQG9-R4) Born: 1686 Place: Christened: 19 Mar 1686 Place: Rothenbergen, H-N, Germany 5. Johann Conrad STUMPF (AFN:XQG9-L8) Born: 1688 Place: Christened: 17 Apr 1688 Place: Rothenbergen, H-N, Germany 6. Anna Barbara STUMPF (AFN:XQG9-9P) Born: 1692 Place: Christened: 14 Jan 1692 Place: Rothenbergen, H-N, Germany Died: 26 Jan 1692 Place: Rothenbergen, H-N, Germany Submitter(s): KLAUS D SCHMITT 9500 SO 1400 E SANDY UT Submission: AF93-100577 USA 84092 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Husband JOHANN STUMPF Birth: Christening: Marriage: 24 NOV 1675 Rothenbergen, Hessen-Nassau, Preussen Death: Burial: Wife ANNA CATHARINA HOLBE Birth: < 1654> Christening: Marriage: 24 NOV 1675 Rothenbergen, Hessen-Nassau, Preussen Death: Burial: Children None ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Husband Christian SEIBERLING Birth: Christening: Marriage: < 1749> <, , Wuerttemberg> Death: 27 DEC 1817 Burial: Wife Ernestine Louisa HOLBEN Birth: 1728 , , Wuerttemberg Christening: Marriage: < 1749> <, , Wuerttemberg> Death: 1824 Burial: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Husband Johann Jacob HOLBEN Birth: 25 DEC 1717 Oldenwald, , , Germany Christening: Marriage: Death: 22 AUG 1794 Leigh Co, , , Pennsylvania Burial: Wife Catharina WEISS Birth: Christening: Marriage: Death: Burial: Children 1. Jacob HOLBEN Birth: 23 FEB 1747 , Lehigh, Pennsylvania Christening: Death: 1820 , Northumberland, Pennsylvania Burial: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Husband Sylvester HOLBEN Birth: Christening: Marriage: Death: Burial: Wife Clara DERR Birth: Christening: Marriage: Death: Burial: Children Maria Magdalena Holbe Birth: Christening: Death: About 1800 , Cumberland, Pennsylvania Burial: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jahannes or John BREINER or BRYNER Birth: Christening: Death: Burial: Marriage: About 1766 , Northampton, Pennsylvania Maria Magdalena HOLBE Birth: Christening: Death: About 1800 , Cumberland, Pennsylvania Burial: Father: Sylvester HOLBEN Mother: Clara DERR ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Husband Christian HOLBE Birth: Christening: Marriage: Death: Burial: Wife MARIA Birth: Christening: Marriage: Death: Burial: Children Maria Magdalena <HOLBE> Birth: Christening: 23 MAR 1800 Reformed Church, Lowhill, Lehigh, Pennsylvania Death: Burial: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Husband Peter HOLBE Birth: Christening: Marriage: Death: Burial: Wife Magdalena Birth: Christening: Marriage: Death: Burial: Children Sophia <HOLBE> Birth: Christening: 02 OCT 1803 Reformed Church, Lowhill, Lehigh, Pennsylvania Death: Burial: Ende der E-Mail :-)

I'm leaving for Europe in a week and I would appreciate very much any last minute help that someone on the list might provide before I leave! I have already received substantial help from fellow listers elsewhere but still I am unable to determine exactly what town or village in the Hesse-Darmstadt area my g.g.grandfather's family are from. We are looking for the origins of the Henry Shober (b. ca. 1810) family of Hesse-Darmstadt, Germany; his wife, Elizabeth ...?, is shown (1860 US Census, Lake County, Illinois) as born in Hesse-Kassel in about 1826. A Frank Shober (my g.g.grandfather?), that was cited by a fellow lister as "b. Germany - 1856", may be the right one (at least the approximate birth date is correct) as he is shown as age 4 in the 1880 census for Lake County, Illinois. But, perhaps the family immigrated several years earlier as the 1860 census has Frank and his two older brothers (George 8, John 6) shown as born in Illinois - not Germany. (Or, as has been suggested, maybe there's something wrong with our information!?). I hope that by some means I am able to determine exactly what town or village in Hesse the Shober family are from before we arrive in Germany. Is there a central archival directory in Germany for that general area, or? Failing that, I'm not at all sure where to start once we are in Germany. Any suggestions?? Thanks again for your help! Sincerely, Frank J.

> Thank you everyone for the help in finding Oberdollendorf. I hope to visit > it in May to see where my family originated. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For visiting your ancestors village maybe useful to see a city map http://www.dueferoth.de/Orte/Bilder/Oberdollendorfpsp.jpg and an old postcard showing Oberdollendorf am Rhein www.sammler-bonn.de/online-shop/ansichtskarten/deutschland/n53639/n53639-88.jpg Some more information: http://www.oberdollendorf.de/index1.htm and http://bonn-rhein-sieg.net/koenigswinter/tourismus/rundgang-oberd..html Bon voyage, Ralf

Does anyone know where Oberdollendorf is. I know it is in Obercassel Kreis which is near Bonn but I cannot find it. A. Shoemaker Oberdollendorf is located between Bonn and Königswinter and is incorporated to Königswinter, right side of river Rhine. Oberkassel belongs to the city of Bonn and there is no Kreis Oberkassel. Caspers

Hallo Rob, hallo Listenteilnehmer, laut "Genealogen-Lexikon" von Hans-Jürgen Pauli, Varia-Verlag, 71732 Tamm, Stuttgarter Str. 202, sucht nach AX 1719 in Blankenau Pies, Dr. Norbert J., Im Karwinkel 2 b, 50374 Erftstadt-Lechenich, Tel./Fax: 02235-692641, e-mail: NorbertJPies@t-online.de MfG Andreas Meininger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robbie L. Oxier" <rloxier@woh.rr.com> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 8:38 PM Subject: [HESSE] AXER Ahnensuche Ich bin forschung meine Axer stammbaum / ahnentafel. Meine familie lebte in der Armsheim, Lonsheim, Ensheim, Bermersheim, Bornheim und Wörrstadt Region im 1700's und dann einige in Kaiserslautern, Mainz, Alzey und in Darmstadt. Wegen der Französischen invasion wurden die Armsheim Kircheaufzeichnungen zerstört. Ich weiß nicht, als sie zu dieser Region kamen, aber ich denke, daß es war nach dem Dreißig-Jahr-Krieg. Ihre Nachkommen können sein in der Rheinland-pfalz Region auch jetzt. Einige von meine Vorfahren waren Johann Georg Axer, Peter Axer, Johann Michael Axer, Johann Christian Axer, Johann Werner Axer, Johanetta Axer, Johannes Axer, Anna Maria Axer, Johann Heinrich Axer, Anna Catherina Axer-Käse, Anna Barbara Axer-Säger, Anna Elisabetha Axer-Schmitt. Andere Veränderungen sind AXERS, AX, AXT u. AXEN. Alle mögliche informationen wurden groß nützlich. Vielen Dank und Guten Tag, Rob Oxier rloxier@woh.rr.com ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/HESSE.html to unsubscribe

Hallo Members: Would somebody have lists of Hessen Emigrants on this web site? Would appreciate any help with it. Thanks as always,Doris.

Thank you everyone for the help in finding Oberdollendorf. I hope to visit it in May to see where my family originated.

NatureI am researching my Axer family ancestry. My family lived Armsheim, Lonsheim, Ensheim, Bermersheim, Bornheim and Woerrstadt region in the 1700's and then some later in Kaiserslautern, Mainz, Alzey. Because of the French invasion the Armsheim church records were destroyed. I do not know when they came to this region, but I think that it was after the thirty-year war. Their descendants may still be in the Rhineland-pfalz region. Some of my ancestors were Johann George Axer, Johann Michael Axer, Johann Christian Axer, Peter Axer, Johann Werner Axer, Johanetta Axer, Johannes Axer, Anna Maria Axer, Johann Heinrich Axer, Anna Catherina Axer-Kasse, Anna Barbara Axer-Saeger, Anna Elisabetha Axer-Schmitt. Is there anyone who may have access to the Churchbooks of these places? Is anyone else researching this family? Other Variations are AXERS, AX, AXE and AXEN. Any information would be of great help. Thank you, Rob Oxier rloxier@woh.rr.com

Ich bin forschung meine Axer stammbaum / ahnentafel. Meine familie lebte in der Armsheim, Lonsheim, Ensheim, Bermersheim, Bornheim und Wörrstadt Region im 1700's und dann einige in Kaiserslautern, Mainz, Alzey und in Darmstadt. Wegen der Französischen invasion wurden die Armsheim Kircheaufzeichnungen zerstört. Ich weiß nicht, als sie zu dieser Region kamen, aber ich denke, daß es war nach dem Dreißig-Jahr-Krieg. Ihre Nachkommen können sein in der Rheinland-pfalz Region auch jetzt. Einige von meine Vorfahren waren Johann Georg Axer, Peter Axer, Johann Michael Axer, Johann Christian Axer, Johann Werner Axer, Johanetta Axer, Johannes Axer, Anna Maria Axer, Johann Heinrich Axer, Anna Catherina Axer-Käse, Anna Barbara Axer-Säger, Anna Elisabetha Axer-Schmitt. Andere Veränderungen sind AXERS, AX, AXT u. AXEN. Alle mögliche informationen wurden groß nützlich. Vielen Dank und Guten Tag, Rob Oxier rloxier@woh.rr.com

Good morning, My sincere thanks to all you kind folks who answered my request for a translation. I now have two more bits of information about my greatgrandfather. I'm so glad I asked. Several of you suggested that I might have sent more information in my original posting to help in translation or just give others a chance to learn from the answers. That's a good idea. I received a Vorfahrenliste (I guess that roughly translates to Ancestor list) from Hessische familiengeschichtliche Vereinigung e. V. in Darmstadt, Hesse Darmstadt, Germany. A letter of mine, in German, to a gentleman in Germany researching the same surname, was forwarded to them. The answer to my question about ancestors of Georg SCHAMBACH, my greatgrandfather, included information about his parents and grandparents. My question to this list was about the abbreviations in German following his birth date. I knew his birth date and that he had been born in Bensheim, Hesse Darmstadt. Here is what I was sent: SCHAMBACH, Johann Georg *23.09.1824 rk 2.Kind=1.Sohn Bensheim Translated this means: * Birth date,23 September, 1824 rk Roman Catholic 2.Kind second child 1.Sohn first son Bensheim birth place His parents were Johann Theobald SCHAMBACH, baptized 24 November, 1798, rk Bensheim and Katharina DORN, baptized 28 September, 1799 rk Bensheim. They were married 7 May, 1822 in Bensheim. Grandparents were Johann SCHAMBACH married to Katharina EMIG and Nicklas DORN married to Sophia HILLENBRAND. I had a lot of help from the translation team at http://www.genealogienetz.de/misc/translation.html when I was sending letters and e-mails back and forth. I can say only good things about them! I don't know if all this will help anyone else, but I hope so. This research has been a grand learning experience for me! And if anyone knows of these ancestors I would love to hear from you. Again, thanks for the kindness in helping me. Helen

Does anyone know where Oberdollendorf is. I know it is in Obercassel Kreis which is near Bonn but I cannot find it. A. Shoemaker

In a message dated 3/4/2004 9:01:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: I recently got a list from Darmstadt, Germany, which included my greatgrandfather and 2 generations of his ancestors. I know that the following is his birth date, but what is the rest? *23.09.1824 rk 2.Kind=1. Sohn Bensheim I know that Bensheim was the town where he was born. Hi Helen: "rk" might mean "roemisch-katholisch" = Roman Catholic. The rest: second child, first son. Paul C. Miller

Hello to all, I recently got a list from Darmstadt, Germany, which included my greatgrandfather and 2 generations of his ancestors. I know that the following is his birth date, but what is the rest? *23.09.1824 rk 2.Kind=1. Sohn Bensheim I know that Bensheim was the town where he was born. If someone can help me with this I will be so grateful! Thanks, Helen

The Family History Library has several microfilms of Allendorf an der Werra - both church and civil records. Sue Foster Co-Director FHC Puyallup Washington South Stake

In Germans to America I found my immigrant ancestors from Allendorf an der Werra, Hessen-Nassau. In 1857Georg and Elisa Hottenroth came with children, Hanchen, Georg-M., Henriette, Ellevine, Anna-Elisabeth and Heinrich. The next person listed is Koster, Heinrich-F.(who later married the travelling companion Henriette Hottenroth.) I have an old handwritten record from the church (I think) that indicates that Martha Elisabeth Ruckert married Johann Heinrich Hottenroth but that he died in 1856. This old record lists all the above mentioned children and a couple more so I think this is the right family. Just the wrong adult male travelling with the mother and children. Does anyone have suggestions on what happened here? Georg is two years younger than Elisa. Did the younger brother marry the widow? Did the brother accompany the family to America to help out? Does anyone have access to records in Allendorf that could help me? Are there German customs on how young widows adapted in this situation? I cannot find Georg or Elisa in census records after arrival in NYC. The male children can be tracked eventually and they are all in the nyc area. Thank you for your help. LIsa Fox upstate NY Thanks for your help

My g.g.grandfather was Henry S.(?) Shober, b. abt.1810 in Hesse Darmstadt; his wife, Elizabeth (maiden name unknown), b. abt. 1826 in Hesse Kassel (sp?). They immigrated (year unk) to the Lake County area of Illinois where they had at least 8 children, one of whom was my g.grandfather, Frank Shober, b. abt. 1856 in Illinois. Does anyone have any information about the Shober family from Hesse? Any help is appreciated - Thank You! Frank Johnson

Thanks, Sue! --- HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 21:23:09 EST > From: UFoster442@aol.com > To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HESSE] Re:Reinmiller in Friedewald > > There are three entries in the catalog of the Family > History Library for > Friedewald. One in Schlesien, one in Hessen-Nassau, > and one in Westfalen. Two > have church records, one has civil records. If you > can determine which > Friedewald your ancestor came from you can order the > correct microfilm. If not, order > them one at a time until you find your ancestor in > one of them. > > Sue Foster > Co-Director FHC > Puyallup Washington South Stake > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools

There are three entries in the catalog of the Family History Library for Friedewald. One in Schlesien, one in Hessen-Nassau, and one in Westfalen. Two have church records, one has civil records. If you can determine which Friedewald your ancestor came from you can order the correct microfilm. If not, order them one at a time until you find your ancestor in one of them. Sue Foster Co-Director FHC Puyallup Washington South Stake