Hello, I am looking for information on Louis Peter Spies and Elisabeth Catharina Engelhardt. Louis came from Hessen (or Hesse) Darmstadt, Germany when he was about one. Louis was born 13 November 1848. Elizabeth Catharina was born in Rock Run, Stephenson County, Illinois but her father father George "Peter" Engelhardt came from Erbach, Odenwald, Starkenberg, Hessen, Germany, 31 January 1848 aboard the ship "SWITZERLAND". Louis and Elizabeth Catharina settled in Cumberland, Cass County, Iowa. I am trying to connect Louis Peter Spies to Augustus Spies who also came from Hessen (or Hesse) Darmstadt, Germany in 1850 He lived in Wisconsin and later settled in Menominee, Michigan. Augustus was married to Gertrude Prince (PRINTZ) I have the Immigration Lists: New York, 1820-1850 and found Augustus Spies whole family, but I have not found Louis Spies. I will be looking forward to hearing from someone with a connection to these names. Thank you, Cheryl Morales

Dear Sue, I could do a lookup for you in the books on emigration from the Odenwald to determine, if your people are from that area. Karla Nurnberg P.S. I live near the Family History Library contact me and I might be able to help you with your search. Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

O my God, this mail adress must be more than 7 years old :) Heinz L. Zulauf <heinz.zulauf@rhein;main.net> Don't use it any more. Heinz

Would anyone on the list know if this town of BISCHWEILER,HESSEN might be dialect of the region or what? Have a namesake in INDIANA who's people settled there and said, this is the Hesse town they are from. GAHN is the family name. Thanks Doris .

"Heefursteen" is most likely a misspelling of Kurfurstentum (with an umlaut over the first "u") The prefix "Kur" indicates that the prince was one of the "electoral princes" who elected the Holy Roman Emperor "furstentum" translates into English as "principality" There were two ways of referring to Electoral Hesse: as "Kurhessen" or as "Kurfurstentum Hessen" The initial "K" in the word must look like an "H" while the initial "u" like a pair of "ee"s a not uncommon problem David Rorer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trent Eyler" <eyler@cox.net> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 10:53 AM Subject: [HESSE] Kurfuerstentum Hessen;Kassel or Kurhessen or Heefursteen > Horst, > > > > > The term "Kurhessen" always referred to what was the > > "Kurfuerstentum Hessen;Kassel (Cassel)" until 1866. > > > > Thank you very much for sharing the information about Kurhessen. > > When I was at the National Archives, I got a copy of the enlistment > papers for my GGGF, Peter Euler, for his service in our Civil War. One > of these was a copy of his Volunteer Enlistment document from 1863. At > that time, he said that he was born in Heefursteen, Germany. I have not > been able to find such a city in present day Germany, nor do I get any > hits when I do a web search on Heefursteen. > > Obviously, I could be misreading the script, but it does *look* like > Heefursteen. Is it possible that what looks like Heefursteen was > actually a misspelling or alternate spelling for Kurhessen or > Kurfuerstentum? > > Any of you kind German researchers know what/where Heefursteen, Germany, > from 1860, is today? Or what looks like "Heefursteen" might have > actually been? > > Thanks for any insight any of you can provide on this question, > > Trent Eyler > <eyler@cox.net> > > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/HESSE.html > to unsubscribe >

Andrea, I found this in the internet and I think it could help you Horst Rosenstock in Germany HESSIAN history in short words Until 1866 the term "Hessen" always referred to what became "Hessen Darmstadt" later. Hessen Darmstadt used to be a "Freistaat" (Free State) of the German Empire with a "Grossherzog"(Grand Duke) at the top. It was never a "Grossherzogtum". The term "Kurhessen" always referred to what was the "Kurfuerstentum Hessen;Kassel (Cassel)" until 1866. In other words: For most of the time which is important for your genealogical research, there's either Hessen Darmstadt (or Hessen) or Hessen;Kassel (or Kurhessen). The other state which you can find from time to time is "Hessen Nassau". It was founded in after 1866 as a province of Preussen (Prussia). It's main parts were Hessen Darmstadt, Hessen;Kassel, Nassau, parts of Bavaria, the city of Frankfurt and other regions. In other words again: Hessen Nassau never existed at the same time as Hessen Darmstadt and Hessen;Kassel. This does not mean, that the old terms ceased to exist in the "language of the people". Heinz L. Zulauf <heinz.zulauf@rhein;main.net>

Horst, > > The term "Kurhessen" always referred to what was the > "Kurfuerstentum Hessen;Kassel (Cassel)" until 1866. > Thank you very much for sharing the information about Kurhessen. When I was at the National Archives, I got a copy of the enlistment papers for my GGGF, Peter Euler, for his service in our Civil War. One of these was a copy of his Volunteer Enlistment document from 1863. At that time, he said that he was born in Heefursteen, Germany. I have not been able to find such a city in present day Germany, nor do I get any hits when I do a web search on Heefursteen. Obviously, I could be misreading the script, but it does *look* like Heefursteen. Is it possible that what looks like Heefursteen was actually a misspelling or alternate spelling for Kurhessen or Kurfuerstentum? Any of you kind German researchers know what/where Heefursteen, Germany, from 1860, is today? Or what looks like "Heefursteen" might have actually been? Thanks for any insight any of you can provide on this question, Trent Eyler <eyler@cox.net>

Virginia Gross: "It has been suggested, at the German desk in Salt Lake City, that I contact the Archives in Kassel." You can email in English, address below; Herr Bansmann will reply in German. You need to send them the information you have about your grandmother. He will research her parents and ancestry. He will do 2 hours of work at a time for about $50-$75, then tell you the number of photocopies he has found and the cost for the photocopies, etc. For payment I suggest you get a check in German Euros for the amount from International Currency Express Inc. to save the check cashing fee. You can pay with a credit card: www.foreignmoney.com 310.278.6628 You will receive the photocopies with a the information hand copied (not translated); caution, Herr Bansmann does not copy out all the information. Contact: Herr Ralf Bansmann Landeskirchliches Archiv Kassel, Lessingstr. 15A, 34119 Kassel, Deutschland Tel.: 0561/78876-0 Fax: 0561/78876-11 E-Mail: ekkw.archiv@t-online.de -- Dr. Ned H. Benson St. John's Presbyterian Church 1070 West Plumb Lane Reno, Nevada 89509 http://www.stjohnschurch.org

(My objective is to determine the truth about my grandmother's parentage). Her name was Amelia Hoene - born April 09, 1882 in Oberhone, D - 37269 Eschwege, Germany. I have probably exhausted the Family History Library resources looking for her. I have everything from the day she entered the USA, at the age of two, except for her true parentage. It has been suggested, at the German desk in Salt Lake City, that I contact the Archives in Kassel. Does anyone on this list have an address for these archives? Thank you..Virginia Gross

I may not be in the right mailing list, I need to know is Hesse Cassel in Hessen? Andrea

Walter, I was wondering if you found anyone to do some research in Hesse, let me know I need someone also to look for the LULY (LULAY) name sue

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Thank you Barb, The only information I have on Waukesha Wisconsin is that Victor and Clara lived there when Louisa was born in 1885. I don't know if Victor or Clara had siblings living in the community or not. I need to check the census for there names. Vicki Roggy Showell Omaha, NE. Sjovall, Gullion, Mapes, Hepler, Shupe, Vollenweider

I am from Wisconsin & have many relatives here & around the Waukesha area. If there is anything that I can do to help you regarding some of this please ask. My family names are Weber, Brecher, Wagner, Baumann, Lofy, Meier, Meyer,Bartholomaus,Livingston,etc. My pleasure to help if I can. Many of my ancestors or buried here in Waukesha area & surrounding area's. My family also came from Darmstadt. Maybe there is hope for all of us afterall. Barb Weber-Spoden ----- Original Message ----- From: <VSHOW2@aol.com> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 10:23 PM Subject: [HESSE] Reinhard > I am looking for information on Victor Alexander Reinhard born January 11, > 1829 Hesse-Darmstadt died November 29, 1902 Phillips Nebraska > m Clara Louisa Koeffler born August 18, 1828 in Hesse-Darmstadt died > Septemeber 2, 1914 > children > Louisa Wilhelmina b September 12, 1860 Waukesha, Wisconsin d Semptember 17, > 1945 > Clara ? > Julia born December 1861 > Louisa m Benjamin Franklin Mapes September 10 1885 (my gggrandparents) > > Any help would be greatly appreciated > > Vicki Roggy Showell > Omaha, NE. > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Don't overlook the Hesse mailing list taglines at the > bottom of each list E-Mail you receive. Valuable infor- > mation is presented there! > >

Hallo Gottfried, hallo Listenteilnehmer, ich habe folgende Information zu ROTHWEIL in Heldenbergen: Johannes Peter MEININGER, * ca. 1780 in Heldenbergen?, oo vor/um 1806 in Heldenbergen?, Maria Eva ROTHWEIL, * ca. 1780 in Heldenbergen? Kind: Andreas MEININGER, * 28 Mai 1806 in Heldenbergen [1] [1] Mormonen - Internet. MfG Andreas (Meininger) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gottfried Weisbecker" <gottfried.weisbecker@onlinehome.de> To: <hessen-l@genealogy.net> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 4:33 PM Subject: [Hessen-L] Rothweil aus Heldenbergen (heute: Nidderau,Main-Kinzig-Kreis) Hallo Listenmitglieder, seit heute bin ich wieder Mitglied der Hessen-Liste. Ich heisse Gottfried Weisbecker, bin 62 Jahre alt, wohne in Gummersbach und stamme von Heldenbergen. Nach meinen Vorfahren suche ich seit knapp einem Jahr in den Niederlanden, in Deutschland am Niederrhein und jetzt auch wieder in Hessen. Und hier habe ich sogleich ein Problem zu lösen, bei dem Sie mir vielleicht helfen können. Über FamilySearch habe ich zwei IGI-Datensätze, die im Vergleich zueinander Zweifel aufkommen lassen können, ob es sich um eine und dieselbe Person handelt. Entweder ist die 1. Ehefrau vor dem 08.03.1859 verstorben oder die Eheschließungsdaten sind in irgend einer Weise falsch. 1) Johann Georg Rothweil * 13.07.1826 Heldenbergen (Eltern: Simon Peter Rothweil und Margaretha Kunkel) + 15.11.1893 (Ort unbekannt) oo 27.07.1856 (Ort unbekannt) Elisabeth Goy (Geburts-, Sterbedatum, Namen der Eltern unbekannt), keine Angabe zu Kindern 2) Joannes Georg Rothweil * 13.07.1826 Heldenbergen (Eltern unbekannt) + 13 11.1893 (Ort unbekannt) oo 08.03.1859 Heldenbergen mit Elisabetha Seyfried * 27.05.1837 Heldenbergen (Eltern: Peter Seyfried und Anna Barbara Rothweil) + 22.07.1878 (Ort unbekannt), 7 Kinder, wobei alle diese Kinder in den Jahren 1859 - 1875 geboren sind. Hat jemand diese Person (Personen) bei seinen Daten? Für Hinweise bin ich sehr dankbar, weil ich bei Klärung diese Ahnenreihe zur Ahnenspitze schließen könnte. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Gottfried (Weisbecker) 24.04.2004

Hi: Hackenberg is located in the Westerwald region. Following are two addresses of churches in Hackenberg if your ancestor was prostestant: 1.) Evangelische Kirchengemeinde Hackenberg Alstadt, Obere Kirchstrasse 2A, 57627 Hackenberg 2.) Evangelische Kirchengemeinde Hackenberg, Steinweg 11, 57627 Hackenberg A larger area approximately 10 Kilometers away is Bad Marienberg and the address is Evangelische Kirchengemeinde Bad Marienberg, Buchtingstrasse 1, 56470 Bad Marienberg, I hope this helps. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

Dear Lister, Hachenburg is an area. A area search of the various parishes in that area will probably turn up the records of your ancestor. KarlaGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorermsn.com

I am looking for information on Victor Alexander Reinhard born January 11, 1829 Hesse-Darmstadt died November 29, 1902 Phillips Nebraska m Clara Louisa Koeffler born August 18, 1828 in Hesse-Darmstadt died Septemeber 2, 1914 children Louisa Wilhelmina b September 12, 1860 Waukesha, Wisconsin d Semptember 17, 1945 Clara ? Julia born December 1861 Louisa m Benjamin Franklin Mapes September 10 1885 (my gggrandparents) Any help would be greatly appreciated Vicki Roggy Showell Omaha, NE.

Since you know they were Hessian, the place to start is Don Watson's Hessen web site. http://members.cox.net/hessen/index2.htm Neil Wolf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Wise" <fish@orbitworld.net> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:31 AM Subject: [HESSE] Reinhard Family > My family came to New Orleans, LA, USA from Grand Duchy Hessen in 1849.I believe they were Protestant. I need help in trying to find a record of their birth. Where do I start? > > Jan in S.E. TX > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Looking for old messages? > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/HESSE.html > Search or Browse > >

I've tracked my ancester through Census records and have found that PETER HAHN and his wife KATHERINE ZIMMERMAN came from Hesse-Darmstadt. He was born in 1840 and she in 1846. I have located a map of the Hesse Darmstadt area of Germany from that time, now what is my next procedure to locate where they were from? They were Protestant, so do I search each town in Darmstadt? And how does one go about that from the USA? Thanks for advice and input. Karen Farr, Shiloh Ohio