You might try entering "Hesse Nassau" in a search at http://Google.com . I found a hundred pages on the subject. First one I looked at was at http://www.infoplease.com/search.php3?query=Hesse+nassau&in=all&x=11&y=7 Nelson //////////////////////////////////// ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rorer" <drorer@fuse.net> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Nassau > http://26.1911encyclopedia.org/H/HE/HESSE_NASSAU.htm will tell you what and where Hesse > Nassau is. I do not know of a book specifically on the history of Nassau. You can go to > the 1911encyclopedia.org home page and navigate to the article on Nassau, otherwise you > will have to settle for general histories of Germany and the Holy Roman Empire. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <blue@nmo.net> > To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 8:46 AM > Subject: [HESSE] Nassau > > > > If someoe can provide info and direction, I would appreciate it. I don't expect anyone > to do my work. First, is there a book available with the history of the Duchy of Nassau? > Secondly, this is the problem. There was very little info passed down in the family as to > to origin of my great grandparents. They came to the U.S. in August,1871 purportedly > sailing from Liverpool on the ship "Abbysinia" to New York City. They then came to Iowa. > On the 1870 U.S. census, birthplace for them is listed as Nassau and married in Baden. > This is all that is known about them. I am the oldest of this family and I'm trying to > establish their origin for my children and nephews and nieces. Any direction would be > truly apppreciated. Thank you. Cas Endlein.

http://26.1911encyclopedia.org/H/HE/HESSE_NASSAU.htm will tell you what and where Hesse Nassau is. I do not know of a book specifically on the history of Nassau. You can go to the 1911encyclopedia.org home page and navigate to the article on Nassau, otherwise you will have to settle for general histories of Germany and the Holy Roman Empire. ----- Original Message ----- From: <blue@nmo.net> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 8:46 AM Subject: [HESSE] Nassau > If someoe can provide info and direction, I would appreciate it. I don't expect anyone to do my work. First, is there a book available with the history of the Duchy of Nassau? Secondly, this is the problem. There was very little info passed down in the family as to to origin of my great grandparents. They came to the U.S. in August,1871 purportedly sailing from Liverpool on the ship "Abbysinia" to New York City. They then came to Iowa. On the 1870 U.S. census, birthplace for them is listed as Nassau and married in Baden. This is all that is known about them. I am the oldest of this family and I'm trying to establish their origin for my children and nephews and nieces. Any direction would be truly apppreciated. Thank you. Cas Endlein. > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Postal Codes, How to Pay for Research, German Language > Letters, Archive Addresses, German Telephone directory, > http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm >

>Hello lists , I wonder , Is it possible that the Hartmann Schmidt in >this record is the father of Anna Maria ?? , given that her Surname is >Schmidt > Just wondering !! , Phil >In the year of our Lord 1831, the 20th June, in the morning between 7- >8 o'clock, according to notice, which has taken place, a son was born >to Georg Steffan, village resident and farmer here, by his first >wife, Anna Maria, the ninth child and the fourth son and this one was >baptised early on the 21st, where he received the name of Hartmann. >Sponsors were Hartmann Schmidt, village resident and miller here, and >his wife Elisabetha, nee Kircher, who signed the present record >together with the father and me, the pastor, who performed the >baptism. >Hartmann Schmidt That is not is not an assumption that I would make from the information listed in this document. Hartman could be a family member, but you do not know which one. The second male child might be the one named after the mother¹s father. You do not know if that child died and they tried again to name a child after the grandfather or they were down to naming after other relatives, such as a favorite brother. Hartmann could just be someone in the family that had the name they wanted to give the child and not for whom the child was named. He may have been named after the same person. Jay -- Jay E. Frank

----- Original Message ----- From: <blue@nmo.net> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 8:46 AM Subject: [HESSE] Nassau > If someoe can provide info and direction, I would appreciate it. I don't expect anyone to do my work. First, is there a book available with the history of the Duchy of Nassau? Secondly, this is the problem. There was very little info passed down in the family as to to origin of my great grandparents. They came to the U.S. in August,1871 purportedly sailing from Liverpool on the ship "Abbysinia" to New York City. They then came to Iowa. On the 1870 U.S. census, birthplace for them is listed as Nassau and married in Baden. This is all that is known about them. I am the oldest of this family and I'm trying to establish their origin for my children and nephews and nieces. Any direction would be truly apppreciated. Thank you. Cas Endlein. > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Postal Codes, How to Pay for Research, German Language > Letters, Archive Addresses, German Telephone directory, > http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm >

If someoe can provide info and direction, I would appreciate it. I don't expect anyone to do my work. First, is there a book available with the history of the Duchy of Nassau? Secondly, this is the problem. There was very little info passed down in the family as to to origin of my great grandparents. They came to the U.S. in August,1871 purportedly sailing from Liverpool on the ship "Abbysinia" to New York City. They then came to Iowa. On the 1870 U.S. census, birthplace for them is listed as Nassau and married in Baden. This is all that is known about them. I am the oldest of this family and I'm trying to establish their origin for my children and nephews and nieces. Any direction would be truly apppreciated. Thank you. Cas Endlein.

Hello lists , I wonder , Is it possible that the Hartmann Schmidt in this record is the father of Anna Maria ?? , given that her Surname is Schmidt Just wondering !! , Phil In the year of our Lord 1831, the 20th June, in the morning between 7- 8 o'clock, according to notice, which has taken place, a son was born to Georg Steffan, village resident and farmer here, by his first wife, Anna Maria, the ninth child and the fourth son and this one was baptised early on the 21st, where he received the name of Hartmann. Sponsors were Hartmann Schmidt, village resident and miller here, and his wife Elisabetha, nee Kircher, who signed the present record together with the father and me, the pastor, who performed the baptism. Hartmann Schmidt

Rather Trebur-Geinsheim. It's part of Trbur now. Heinz

<<No amount of Web searching has revealed this information !!!>> Hmmz. Weird. A simple "Geinsheim Hessen" in Google gives me 646 results, most of which point to the right place: Geinsheim, now part of Trebur, near Gross-Gerau. Heinz

Dave I'm extremely interested in your article re "Grand Duchy of Hesse after Napoleon"; however, being still fairly new, I have no idea if my ISP will allow a zip file. Is there a plan B? ----- Original Message ----- From: HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 5:02 PM To: HESSE-D@rootsweb.com Subject: HESSE-D Digest V04 #105 Content-Type: text/plain HESSE-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 105 Today's Topics: #1 Re: Hope Capel? [NancyL916@aol.com] #2 Angendorf?? Hessen [Jerolyn@aol.com] #3 Re: [HESSE] Angendorf?? Hessen [Utahn1@aol.com] #4 Re: [HESSE] Angendorf?? Hessen ["Sanders LLoyd " <hss@cablespeed.c] #5 Re: [HESSE] Angendorf?? Hessen ["Sanders LLoyd " <hss@cablespeed.c] #6 Re: [HESSE] Re: Hope Capel? ["David Rorer" <drorer@fuse.net>] #7 Re: [Hesse] Town of Angendorf(?) ["David Rorer" <drorer@fuse.net>] #8 Re: [HESSE] Geography question / a [Norman Nicol <ndnicol@epix.net>] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from HESSE-D, send a message to HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. NEVER hit your reply button to unsubscribe. Web Site for HESSEN, GERMANY, is at http://members.cox.net/hessen/index.htm Many towns in Germany have the same name! Add the 5-digit zip code in front of the name! Zip codes explained, http://members.cox.net/hessen/index.htm To unsubscribe or to look for old messages, go to: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/HESSE.html ______________________________

I think this is what you are asking. The town is obviously Geinsheim. The county (Kreis) is GROSS-GERAU, the state is Hesse & of course the country is Germany. So Geinsheim, Gross-Gerau, Hesse, Germany. That would be for present day. ~Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Stevens <joe2phil@nwlink.com> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, 21 May 2004 14:53:04 -0700 Subject: Re: [HESSE] Need help with town location < Yes , I found then too , But what is the Location discription ? Such as < Town or Village / County / State / Country > using USof A , in Europe it < is What ?? , towit : Geinsheim , ? , ? , Germany , thank you , and < Please , Phil < ----- Original Message ----- < From: "Brian Eberling " <bze@apexmail.com> < To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> < Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 3:59 PM < Subject: Re: [HESSE] Need help with town location < < < > According to Mapquest there are currently two Geinsheim's in Germany < One < is in Hesse, west of Darmstadt. The other in Rheinland-Pfalz SW of < Heidelberg. < > < > ~Brian < > < > < > < > < > < > ----- Original Message ----- < > From: Phil Stevens <joe2phil@nwlink.com> < > To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> < > Sent: Fri, 21 May 2004 12:23:39 -0700 < > Subject: [HESSE] Need help with town location < > < > < > < Hello group , a simple request if I might ! , I have the town / < village < > < of < > < Geinsheim as a place of death for a relative , What I need is < > < What comes after Geinsheim in the location Description for it . < > < I know it is in Hesse , {Darmstadt } ? , Germany , but what would be < the < > < Full place description ? , No amount of Web searching has revealed < this < > < information !!! , Nor does the Map at My Local Library !! thanks , < Phil < > < < > < < > < < > < < > < < > < ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== < > < Many towns in Germany have the same name! Add the 5-digit < > < zip code in front of the name! Zip codes explained, < > < http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm < > < > < > < > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== < > Many towns in Germany have the same name! Add the 5-digit < > zip code in front of the name! Zip codes explained, < > http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm < > < < < < ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== < Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to < http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/HESSE.html < to unsubscribe

Hi, Listers, I am trying to find a book in German: _600-Jahrfeier der Gemeinde Burgschwalbach_ by Hermann Bauer, 88 pages [Gemeinderverwaltung], 1968, ISBN B0000BPN02. It is featured on both the English and German versions of Amazon.com, but seems to be out of print. I cannot find it (or any other pertinent books) listed in the Library of Congress or the FamilySearch.org online catalogs. Do you have any ideas of how I might obtain a copy of this book (or photocopy of its pages)? Perhaps by writing (sending money?) to a library in Burgschwalbach or Diez or Limburg (any addresses or experience with how to handle this?) I can't seem to find the addresses of any libraries by city in Germany by searching the web...but then I don't read much German (yet). I have found that my DEMARE ancestor's extended family lived at Oberhäusserhof near Burgschwalbach in what was then Nassau. The Protestants among them are listed in church books of Burgschwalbach and the Catholic ones were recorded at Daisbach. Other towns in the area are Aarbergen, Panrod, and the bigger cities farther away are Dietz and Limburg. I am trying to find out all I can about the history of that specific small rural area centered on Burgschwalbach and would especially want to find info on the Oberhäusserhof and its history, if any exists. Any advice, please? Michelle Stone Marietta, Georgia, USA

According to Mapquest there are currently two Geinsheim's in Germany. One is in Hesse, west of Darmstadt. The other in Rheinland-Pfalz SW of Heidelberg. ~Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Stevens <joe2phil@nwlink.com> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, 21 May 2004 12:23:39 -0700 Subject: [HESSE] Need help with town location < Hello group , a simple request if I might ! , I have the town / village < of < Geinsheim as a place of death for a relative , What I need is < What comes after Geinsheim in the location Description for it . < I know it is in Hesse , {Darmstadt } ? , Germany , but what would be the < Full place description ? , No amount of Web searching has revealed this < information !!! , Nor does the Map at My Local Library !! thanks , Phil < < < < < < ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== < Many towns in Germany have the same name! Add the 5-digit < zip code in front of the name! Zip codes explained, < http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm

Yes , I found then too , But what is the Location discription ? Such as Town or Village / County / State / Country > using USof A , in Europe it is What ?? , towit : Geinsheim , ? , ? , Germany , thank you , and Please , Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Eberling " <bze@apexmail.com> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Need help with town location > According to Mapquest there are currently two Geinsheim's in Germany. One is in Hesse, west of Darmstadt. The other in Rheinland-Pfalz SW of Heidelberg. > > ~Brian > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Phil Stevens <joe2phil@nwlink.com> > To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Fri, 21 May 2004 12:23:39 -0700 > Subject: [HESSE] Need help with town location > > > < Hello group , a simple request if I might ! , I have the town / village > < of > < Geinsheim as a place of death for a relative , What I need is > < What comes after Geinsheim in the location Description for it . > < I know it is in Hesse , {Darmstadt } ? , Germany , but what would be the > < Full place description ? , No amount of Web searching has revealed this > < information !!! , Nor does the Map at My Local Library !! thanks , Phil > < > < > < > < > < > < ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > < Many towns in Germany have the same name! Add the 5-digit > < zip code in front of the name! Zip codes explained, > < http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm > > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Many towns in Germany have the same name! Add the 5-digit > zip code in front of the name! Zip codes explained, > http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm >

Nancy: There never was a duke of Hope Capel As I said in my previous message, you are misreading the scharfes ess ( ß ) as a "p" and the handwritten "e" as an "o." The hand written scharfes ess will extend below the line and can easily be mistaken for a "p" If you substitute the letters you will see that what was written was actually Hesse Cassel it was not translated. Take some time to learn how words in German were spelled and listen to the advice of those who know better! David Rorer ----- Original Message ----- From: <NancyL916@aol.com> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 7:17 AM Subject: [HESSE] Re: Hope Capel > I want to thank everyone who took the time to respond to me question abt Hope > Capel. > I'm looking at the Nat. papers and it definetly says Hope Capel. > > It's possible the person writing out the Nat cert. that that is how he heard > it, but on every other paper I have it says this realitive is from Hesse > Darmstadt, so how that translate to Hope Capel is odd. > > Perhaps I'll get out my hystery books and see if there ever was a Duke of > such place for the time. > > Thanks again > > Nancy > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Looking for old messages? > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/HESSE.html > Search or Browse > >

At this time Fulda was part of the Grand Duchy of Frankfurt a short lived state set up by Napoleon. To background yourself on this period I suggest you read: "With Eagles to Glory, Napoleon and his German Allies in the 1809 Campaign" by John H. Gill "La Grande Armee" by Georges Blond (Translated by Marshall May) Eagles provides background on all the German states allied with Napoleon, their armies and where these units served in the 1809 campaign. Grande is a history of the "Grande Armee" and its disasterous campaign in Russia. For specifics on the military units see "Armies of Germany and The confederations of the Rhine 1792-1815" Volume 1, which covers Anhalt, Frankfurt, Nassau, Hesse-Darmstadt, Mecklenburg and the Saxon Ducal Houses. It is published by George F. Nafzinger and is available directly from him. G.F. Nafzinger, P.O. Box 1522, West Chester, Ohio 45069-1522 Accordig Nafzinger the Frankfurt Regiment became the 3rd Rheinbund Regiment which never advanced farther than Danzig. David Rorer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nova & John Eller" <johnnova.eller@paradise.net.nz> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 9:04 PM Subject: [HESSE] Napoleon/Fulda/Moscow > Hi all, > My GGG grandfather Johann Adam Kramer is said to have gone to Moscow with Napoleon's Army and then returned to Fulda, his home town. > > What units/regiments from the Fulda area would have been involved in this campaign? > > Was there are form of conscription that would have drafted him to serve in Napoleon's Army? > > What military archives are available in Fulda? > > Any info regarding the above would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks > > John Eller > New Zealand > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/HESSE.html > to unsubscribe > >

Hi all, My GGG grandfather Johann Adam Kramer is said to have gone to Moscow with Napoleon's Army and then returned to Fulda, his home town. What units/regiments from the Fulda area would have been involved in this campaign? Was there are form of conscription that would have drafted him to serve in Napoleon's Army? What military archives are available in Fulda? Any info regarding the above would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks John Eller New Zealand

Hello group , a simple request if I might ! , I have the town / village of Geinsheim as a place of death for a relative , What I need is What comes after Geinsheim in the location Description for it . I know it is in Hesse , {Darmstadt } ? , Germany , but what would be the Full place description ? , No amount of Web searching has revealed this information !!! , Nor does the Map at My Local Library !! thanks , Phil

I want to thank everyone who took the time to respond to me question abt Hope Capel. I'm looking at the Nat. papers and it definetly says Hope Capel. It's possible the person writing out the Nat cert. that that is how he heard it, but on every other paper I have it says this realitive is from Hesse Darmstadt, so how that translate to Hope Capel is odd. Perhaps I'll get out my hystery books and see if there ever was a Duke of such place for the time. Thanks again Nancy

Hello Brian, Dillenburg was originally the seat of one of the divisions of the ruling dynasty of the counts of Nassau. Nassau-Dillenburg was established in the 13th century and passed to Nassau-Dietz upon the extinction of that line in 1739. Eventually, all of the Nassau possessions were reunited under a single ruler. Your earliest known ancestor married in 1710 would have done so in Nassau-Dillenburg, but the territory probably would have been called Nassau-Dietz by the time he died. As for military service, if one wished to follow such a calling and his own small state did not have a regular standing army, there was no prohibition from going to a neighboring state and offering his services there. On the other hand, he may have been from Hessen-Darmstadt and married a young lady from Dillenburg in her home parish church. He may not have been from Dillenburg himself and could have been a native-born Hessian. As for people going from one place to another, i.e. from near Heilbronn to Dillenburg, the answer is yes. The straight-line distance between the two places is only about 185 km or 110 miles. People traveled greater distances all the time in the 17th and 18th centuries, usually walking the entire way. It was not unusual for people to walk from Frankfurt to Paris for example, especially if they were merchants or craftsmen. We have a different mode of thinking today and most people won't even walk a quarter of a mile to a store! Our ancestors were undaunted by distance, otherwise, they never would have made the long ocean voyage to settle in a new land. Doug Nicol -- Norman D. Nicol, Ph.D. Professional Genealogist/Family Historian Specializing in NE Pennsylvania, NYC, Scotland, England, esp. Cornwall

OK, that sounds logical, because part of today's state of Rhineland-Pfalz was once part of the Grand Duchy of Hesse Darmstadt. After 1866 when Hesse-Kassell or Kurhessen was incorporated into Prussia, Hesse-Darmstadt was usually referred to simply as the Duchy or Grand Duchy of Hesse (Grossherzogtum Hessen in German) I have an article titled "Grand-Duchy of Hesse after Napoleon" which describes the geographical layout of the Duchy and includes a small map. It is in word for windows format and I usually send it as a zip file. If your ISP will allow you to receive attachments and you can open zip files, let me know and I will send it to you direct. David Rorer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sanders LLoyd " <hss@cablespeed.com> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [Hesse] Town of Angendorf(?) > Hi Dave, > > Thanks for responding, and so quickly! > > I checked Shtetlseeker, and then the list of Germany's > cities, towns and municipalities. Ingendorf is shown in > Rheinland- Pfalz and none of the other possibilities are > in Hesse Darmstadt. Every record I've found including > census, etc. shows Hesse Darmstadt. When I checked "Gross. > Hessen"some time ago I was told it would be the Duchy of > Hessen. My greatgrandfather's birth place showed the same > thing and he was from Bensheim, Hesse Darmstadt. > > Can you think of any other place to look? I'm still enough > of a novice at this that I welcome any help I can get! > > Thanks again. > > Helen > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Postal Codes, How to Pay for Research, German Language > Letters, Archive Addresses, German Telephone directory, > http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm >