Leslie, You wrote: "Two of my great-grandparents came from Hessen-Darmstadt, Starkenburg in the period 1865-1890, one from Ober Kinzig and the other from Erbach. I can't find any LDS microfilms for these two areas. Does anyone know of any source I can use to find the records for these two families? The VOLK family came from Ober Kinzig and the SEIFERT family came from Erbach." My ancestors emigrated from Erbach also. This is Erbach in Odenwald in Kries Erbach. Using www.familysearch.com LDS Family History Library, enter Erbach, Hessen. From the list given, select Erbach, Kries Erbach. Topic Germany, Hessen, Erbach (KrSt. Erbach) - Church records Titles Kirchenbuch, 1600-1875 Evangelische Kirche Erbach (KrSt. Erbach) Kirchenbuchduplikat, 1808-1847 Evangelische Kirche Erbach (KrSt. Erbach) Kirchenbuchduplikat, 1836-1875 Katholische Kirche Erbach (KrSt. Erbach) I used the Church Book, Kirchenbuch 1600-1875 and found all of them in films including Baptisms, Marriages, Confirmations & Deaths. If your family was Catholic, then you have a smaller range of years, but still within the range you are looking for. Good Luck. Carolyn

Hello Michelle, The last two letters of the place could be "ff". Not far away from Daisbach, just to the left of Idstein, is a village named "Niederauroff". Perhaps that's the location you're looking for!? Greetings from the sunny Frankfurt am Main sends Andreas Am 13 Jun 2004 um 17:11 Uhr schrieb Michelle Stone <mefisher@bellsouth.net>: Datum: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:11:25 -0400 Von: Michelle Stone <mefisher@bellsouth.net> An: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com Betreff: Looking for town: "Liebaiherhoss"? > Or "Liebarherzoft"? or "Lieberherhoss"...? A woman who came from there > was married to a man from Daisbach (in the vicinity of Burgschwalbach, > Langenschwalbach, Allendorf, etc. in Nassau) in 1803, and I can't > determine what the town was then or is now. Anybody recognize this place? > > Thanks, > Michelle Stone > > ______________________________

In a message dated 6/27/04 4:30:58 PM, all4lrb@cox.net writes: << Two of my great-grandparents came from Hessen-Darmstadt, Starkenburg in the period 1865-1890, one from Ober Kinzig and the other from Erbach. I can't find any LDS microfilms for these two areas. Does anyone know of any source I can use to find the records for these two families? The VOLK family came from Ober Kinzig and the SEIFERT family came from Erbach. >> There are four places in Hessen by the name Erbach, one place called Ober-Kinzig, in Kr. Erbach, so perhaps the Erbach you're interested in is Erbach, Kr. Erbach. There are church records in the Family History Library available for rental for all four Erbach places, as well as historical records, emigration, etc. For the Erbach, Kr Erbach: Title Kirchenbuch, 1600-1875 Authors Evangelische Kirche Erbach (KrSt. Erbach) Parish register of baptisms, marriages, deaths and confirmations for Erbach (KrSt. Erbach), Hessen, Germany. Includes Ebersberg, Elsbach, Erbuch, Erlenbach, Ernsbach, Lauerbach, Günterfürst, Heisterbach, Roßbach and Schönnen. Text in German and Latin. Taufen, Tote, Heiraten 1600-1674 FHL INTL Film 1336641 Item 4 Taufen, Tote, Heiraten 1674-1726 Konfirmationen 1674-1726 Kommunionen 1674-1726 Taufen, Tote, Heiraten 1727-1777 Konfirmationen 1727-1776 Pfarrliste 1590-1762 Bußen 1728-1763 Totgeburten 1727-1779 Taufen 1777-1793 FHL INTL Film 1336642 Taufen 1793-1807 Tote, Heiraten, Konf. 1777-1807 Totgeburten, Bußen 1779-1782 Taufen 1808-1823 FHL INTL Film 1336643 Taufen 1823-1844 FHL INTL Film 1336644 Taufen 1844-1865 FHL INTL Film 1336645 Taufen 1865-1875 Heiraten 1808-1831 FHL INTL Film 1336646 Heiraten 1831-1875 FHL INTL Film 1336647 Heiraten 1875 Tote 1808-1839 FHL INTL Film 1336648 Tote 1839-1874 FHL INTL Film 1336649 Tote 1874-1875 Konfirmationen 1808-1875 FHL INTL Film 1336650 Items 1-2 --------------------------------------- Ober-Kinzig does not appear in the catalog, so they probably went to church in another community. Use Meyers Orts- und Verkehrs-Lexikon to determine that place, as well as to decide whether the above Erbach is the place for your family (another close-by Erbach is in Kr. Heppenheim). Good luck, Dona Ritchie

Hello list - I have just joined because the ladies at Genealogus Hamburg informed me that my gr-gr-grandfather most probably came from Hesse-Nassau. His name was Christian VOELPEL. The only documents I had were his naturalization papers signed in 1851 and 1854. In them he renounced the "Grand Duke of Mapan". For years I wondered what Mapan was, and they have determined it to be Nassau. It is in cursive writing and the last letter I now see as a u and the first an n. So, being new to all this, I ask where I should go next? His surname, VOELPEL, I understand should be VÖLPEL. I don't believe that name is overly common. I see just this morning that Paul Miller has posted some e-mail addresses. Can I assume they will deal with posts in English? The first of the naturalization papers was completed in November of 1851. Do folks feel that therefore he arrived in the US prior to that year? I understand there was a one year waiting period. This is a critical time, as the Hamburg records begin in 1851. Thanks very much, Bart Hansen in Virginia

In a message dated 6/28/2004 8:01:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Two of my great-grandparents came from Hessen-Darmstadt, Starkenburg in the period 1865-1890, one from Ober Kinzig and the other from Erbach. I can't find any LDS microfilms for these two areas. Does anyone know of any source I can use to find the records for these two families? Hi Leslie: If you are looking for Evangelical church records, try sending an e-mail to the Central Archive of the Evangelical Church in Hessen and Nassau, Darmstadt: zentralarchiv@ekhn-kv.de If you need the Catholic records, try the diocesan archive in Limburg: BistumLimburg@t-online-de. If the records are not housed here, the staff should be able to tell you whom to contact. Paul C. Miller

Two of my great-grandparents came from Hessen-Darmstadt, Starkenburg in the period 1865-1890, one from Ober Kinzig and the other from Erbach. I can't find any LDS microfilms for these two areas. Does anyone know of any source I can use to find the records for these two families? The VOLK family came from Ober Kinzig and the SEIFERT family came from Erbach. Thank you. Leslie Bouvier

Hi Ray, Go to Google. Put in ship +howard +hamburg You will get at least a dozen hits. (I tried) Jim Rettig ****************** > Can anyone give me some addresses where I can view passenger lists. I am > particularly interested in the ship Howard. It's Port of Departure was > Hamburg > and Port of Arrival was New York. The arrival date was May 28, 1847.

Dear Don, I received this msg today about my Neusel ancestor. I can't make it out, but it doesn't look too promising. If you have time could you please translate this for me. Thank you _very_ much. Alexandra in Missouri Landeskirchliches Archiv Kassel, Lessingstr. 15A, 34119 Kassel Tel.: 0561/78876-0 Fax: 0561/78876-11 URL: http://www.ekkw.de/archiv E-mail: archiv@ekkw.de <mailto:archiv@ekkw.de> Öffnungszeiten: Dienstag - Donnerstag 8 - 16 Uhr (um Anmeldung wird gebeten) Az.: 43.1 Sachbearbeiter: sch Sehr geehrte Frau Koch, die Kirchenbücher von Marburg und Umgebung (Kirchenkreise Marburg-Stadt und Marburg-Land) befinden sich als Microfichesbestand in unserem Archiv. Ohne genaue Angabe des Herkunftsortes Ihres Vorfahren William Neusel ist es uns leider nicht möglich Ihre Anfrage zu bearbeiten. Die Suche nach seinem Auswanderungsdatum im Verzeichnis von Inge Auerbach, "Auswanderer aus Hessen 1840-1850" (2. Band), Marburg 1998, blieb ohne Erfolg. Wir bitten Sie deshalb, sich mit Ihrer Anfrage an folgende Adresse zu wenden: Hessisches Staatsarchiv Marburg Friedrichsplatz 15 35037 Marburg E-mail: Poststelle@stama.hessen.de <mailto:Poststelle@stama.hessen.de> da dort die Auswanderungsunterlagen archiviert sind, aus denen sein genauer Herkunftsort hervorgeht. Mit freundlichen Grüßen i.A. Christoph Schapka

A wise man on the st. louis genealogy list recently said to take your names and go to www.google.de for the internet in europe. I did that and typed in your above names and the name of your town - 11 hits came up. I hope this is successful for you. It has been for me.

Can anyone give me some addresses where I can view passenger lists. I am particularly interested in the ship Howard. It's Port of Departure was Hamburg and Port of Arrival was New York. The arrival date was May 28, 1847. Thank you for any help you can give. Ray Scheller

Hello, I am currently researching Seib, Winter and Weber family lines in Hesse Darmstadt. I have quite a bit of information on the Seib family from Heubach, near Darmstadt but would be very interested in corresponding with others who are working on any of these lines. I am particularly interested in knowing if anyone from the Winter family immigrated to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania in the late 1800's. Thank you for any help you can offer. Patricia Martin Kennedy

David, I would appreciate a copy as well if you have the time. Thanks. Lori

I am descended from Hans Jacob PETRI originally from Denmark (Danish name may have been PETERSOHN), born in Denmark c 1620 Hans Jacob PETRI moved to Reinheim in Hesse and married Martha ??? c1653. Their children included Hans Hans Caspar PETRI born 15/05/1653 at Reinheim married at Groß Bieberau in Hesse 1673 to Anna Barbara BADER born C1658. Their children included Johann Heinrich PETRI born c1672 died 15/03/1744 at Groß Bieberau, married at Groß Bieberau in Hesse c1700 to Elizabeth Barbara ??? born c1677 died 15/03/1744. I am looking for information on antecedents of Hans Jacob and if possible for info on subsequent generations and any living descendents. Peter Strauss Melbourne AUSTRALIA

>Peter, I have worked with the microfilms of the Protestant church records from Gross >Bieberau and I dont recall ever seeing the name Petri but that was not one of the >names I was looking for. I know that I did see several surnames that are also given >names and I may have seen Peter as a surname. Also, I mostly worked with the >records for the 1800's. Beverly, do you, perhaps, recall anyone with the surname of GAYDOUL in your research of Gross Bieberau in the late 1800's? I am looking for information on a Philipp GAYDOUL, born July 18, 1881. The family is Evangelical. Thanks for any information you can offer! Linda Fick Dudek -- Linda <Linda@nwcd.net>

>I am descended from Hans Jacob PETRI originally from Denmark (Danish name >may have been PETERSOHN), born in Denmark c 1620 Hans Jacob PETRI moved >to Reinheim in Hesse and married Martha ??? c1653. Their children included Hans >Hans Caspar PETRI born 15/05/1653 at Reinheim married at Groß Bieberau in >Hesse 1673 to Anna Barbara BADER born C1658. Their children included Johann >Heinrich PETRI born c1672 died 15/03/1744 at Groß Bieberau, married at Groß >Bieberau in Hesse c1700 to Elizabeth Barbara ??? >born c1677 died 15/03/1744. > >I am looking for information on antecedents of Hans Jacob and if possible for info on >subsequent generations and any living descendents. Dear Peter: I have no firm information we are related, however, I am descended from a line of PETRI's that lived in Egelsbach, Hesse, in the late 1800's. Gross Bieberau is quite close to Egelsbach, and I believe I have traced at least one uncle (surname GAYDOUL) to Gross Bieberau. As I continue my research in Egelsbach, I will keep in mind your information. Perhaps I will yet uncover a link, Linda Fick Dudek -- Linda <Linda@nwcd.net>

Peter, I have worked with the microfilms of the Protestant church records from Gross Bieberau and I dont recall ever seeing the name Petri but that was not one of the names I was looking for. I know that I did see several surnames that are also given names and I may have seen Peter as a surname. Also, I mostly worked with the records for the 1800's. The handwritting in the 1700's is really hard to read. The family book for about 1805-1850 has been filmed and is a valuable tool if you can trace down that far. The surnames that I researched were Bixler/Buexler/Buechsler, Krichbaum, Hartmann, Rettig, Vetter, Elbert, Kaffenberger, Lautenschlaeger, Beilstein, Steinmetz and Schwoebel. I've been in touch with several other distant cousins who are researching these names in the Odenwald area. I've got a tree on WorldConnect named Bode_Bixler and would be happy to share info with you if you find overlaps later. Beverly Bode Howard Austin, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Strauss To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 3:58 PM Subject: [HESSE] PETRI (dANISH petersohn) I am descended from Hans Jacob PETRI originally from Denmark (Danish name may have been PETERSOHN), born in Denmark c 1620 Hans Jacob PETRI moved to Reinheim in Hesse and married Martha ??? c1653. Their children included Hans Hans Caspar PETRI born 15/05/1653 at Reinheim married at Groß Bieberau in Hesse 1673 to Anna Barbara BADER born C1658. Their children included Johann Heinrich PETRI born c1672 died 15/03/1744 at Groß Bieberau, married at Groß Bieberau in Hesse c1700 to Elizabeth Barbara ??? born c1677 died 15/03/1744. I am looking for information on antecedents of Hans Jacob and if possible for info on subsequent generations and any living descendents. Peter Strauss Melbourne AUSTRALIA ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== Many towns in Germany have the same name! Add the 5-digit zip code in front of the name! Zip codes explained, http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm

I have found the following as the birthplace of an ancestor in the early 1600's. "Kassel, H-Nss, Prussia" Can someone identify this viliage or region? Is it the same as Kassel in Hesse? I also have the following location I cannot find.: "Heide Wahl Kries-Siedurg" by Collen, Preusen, Germany. Can any one identify this place? It is dated about 1830-1840. Please respone to either _Bdocdon@aol.com_ (mailto:Bdocdon@aol.com) or _IrmaJB@aol.com_ (mailto:IrmaJB@aol.com) . Thank you very much for your help. Don

"Kassel, H-Nss, Prussia" would be Kassel, Hesse-Nassau, Prussia. It would not have been this in the 1600's however. Hesse-Kassel & Nassau weren't combined into Hesse-Nassau, Prussia until 1866. Regards, Brian Eberling ----- Original Message ----- From: <BDOCDON@aol.com> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:11:21 EDT Subject: [HESSE] Need help with identification of German reg ion < < I have found the following as the birthplace of an ancestor in the early < 1600's. "Kassel, H-Nss, Prussia" Can someone identify this < viliage or < region? Is it the same as Kassel in Hesse? < < I also have the following location I cannot find.: "Heide Wahl < Kries-Siedurg" by Collen, Preusen, Germany. Can any one identify < this place? It < is dated about 1830-1840. < < Please respone to either _Bdocdon@aol.com_ (mailto:Bdocdon@aol.com) or < _IrmaJB@aol.com_ (mailto:IrmaJB@aol.com) . Thank you very much for < your < help. < < Don < < < < < ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== < Many towns in Germany have the same name! Add the 5-digit < zip code in front of the name! Zip codes explained, < http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm

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Your personal mail service should have options to either "Reply" or "Reply All"; "Reply All" sends it to the list whereas "Reply" will only go to the original author. Sorry to bore the whole list with my "Reply All", but it may save some nerves down stream. Don On Jun 19, 2004, at 4:15 PM, David Rorer wrote: > Heinz has a point. I am more than willing to send the article to > anyone who requests, > however, the requests do not have to be over the list. You can e-mail > me directly with > your requests. > David Rorer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Heinz L. Zulauf" <7iron@gmx.de> > To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 3:46 AM > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Hesse Article and Map > > >> Sorry List, >> >> I will unsubscribe for a while until this "Article and Map" thing has >> been stopped. >> >> Heinz >> >> >> ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== >> Postal Codes, How to Pay for Research, German Language >> Letters, Archive Addresses, German Telephone directory, >> http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm >> >> > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/HESSE.html > to unsubscribe >