Hello Chuck, Well, for the meaning of "opifice chartario," you need to take each word in turn and get the individual meanings first. opifex = craftsman, skilled workman charta = piece of paper for writing Put the two together and it looks like the occupation is a "paper manufacturer." -- Norman D. Nicol, Ph.D. Professional Genealogist/Family Historian Specializing in NE Pennsylvania, NYC, Scotland, England, esp. Cornwall

I am a novice at genealogy and need help. My German relatives sailed from Bremen to New Orleans USA in Sept 1852. The father was Heinrick FURST,his wife Louise and their two children Martha and George .Not knowing the village they originated from, what is the best city or town to trace where they got permission to emegrate ? Anyt help or suggesti8ons will be appreciated. Ed Wolfe<deskipper@sbcglobal.net

Clear DayDoes anyone know the meaning of the occupation "Opifice Chartario"??? My gut thinks "mapmaker", but I have ended up eating some strange things in overseas restaurants when I trusted my gut. Thanks, Chuck Sizer Potomac, Maryland

Hi to the list, I am new to the list. I have been doing Family History for many years but just today I am starting a new branch. My first wife was from Martingsthal near Wiesbaden. Her parents were Fritz Schwank and Magdelena Schmitt. Fritz Schwank's parents were Peter Schwank and Anna------ from Wollmerschied and Magdelena's parents were John Schmitt and Magdelena Christ from Presburg. All of this has been handed down and not checked out. I am wondering if anyone on the list might connect and help me get started. I am quite sure all were Catholic. Any help appreciated----Bob Marhenke in Nebraska

Could it by chance have been Gelnhausen?? That is relatively close to Fulda, falls within Hessen. Odd the reference to Fulda unless the ancestor was referring to the Frankfurt and Fulda Road and that would make a lot of sense. Or it is Geilshausen as noted below. Might be on to ask Clem Schreiber to check the records at Geilshausen and if there is not anything there...then use Gelnhausen? -----Original Message----- From: David Rorer [mailto:drorer@fuse.net] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 7:40 PM To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HESSE] Gellhausen ?? The Shell atlas lists a Geilshausen but it's near Giessen. Follow the A4 autobahn, Geilshausen is on the north side on a secondary road that passes under the autobahn. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marie Van Laeys" <njtransplant@cox.net> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 10:13 PM Subject: [HESSE] Gellhausen ?? > I have searched for this Gellhausen near Fulda but all I could find that came close was Gelnhausen. It's possible that it might have been something other than a town of birth or maybe spelled incorrectly. Can someone help with this dilemma. > Thank you > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Postal Codes, How to Pay for Research, German Language > Letters, Archive Addresses, German Telephone directory, > http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm > >

To the list, I am new and my interests are from the Martinsthal by Eltville area, also Wollmersheid (SP). Am I on the correct list---Bob

The Shell atlas lists a Geilshausen but it's near Giessen. Follow the A4 autobahn, Geilshausen is on the north side on a secondary road that passes under the autobahn. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marie Van Laeys" <njtransplant@cox.net> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 10:13 PM Subject: [HESSE] Gellhausen ?? > I have searched for this Gellhausen near Fulda but all I could find that came close was Gelnhausen. It's possible that it might have been something other than a town of birth or maybe spelled incorrectly. Can someone help with this dilemma. > Thank you > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Postal Codes, How to Pay for Research, German Language > Letters, Archive Addresses, German Telephone directory, > http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm > >

Eulersdorf (note the "s" added between Euler and dorf) is directly east of Alsfeld. Follow the road directly east of Alsfeld to Eifa then 10k to Eulersdorf. My atlas has an Eulersdorf but no Eulerdorf and only one of them in all of Germany. Alsfeld is on thd E4 Autobahn southwest of Bad Hersfeld ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel DIETRICH" <dkdietrich4634@sbcglobal.net> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 5:44 PM Subject: [HESSE] Small Towns > Is there a town named Eulerdorf, Oberhesse, Germany ? > I have looked but cannot find. > Dan > > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/HESSE.html > to unsubscribe > >

I have searched for this Gellhausen near Fulda but all I could find that came close was Gelnhausen. It's possible that it might have been something other than a town of birth or maybe spelled incorrectly. Can someone help with this dilemma. Thank you

Looking for a Johann Stamm son of Goerg Stamm and Anna Weber. There is also a connection to a Raskopf family. All may have come from Nauheim area. Johann Stamm born April 15, 1838 - left for America with mother in July 1854. Father's name is listed as "Georg" or "Dosier" Stamm. Mother was Anna Weber, possibly born 1807 to Wilhelm Weber and Ann Weber. Believed to have come to America following older brothers (?) and with a connection to a John Peter Raskopf, son of Johann N. Raskopf and Christina Fitza. Possible that Johann N. Raskopf had a connection to an Elizabeth Stamm, daughter of Peter and Anna Stamm. Fitz is from Bengal (?)

Looking for information on Jacob BRAUN and Martha (WENZEL) BRAUN who immigrated from Hesse Kassel in 1847 to Phila., Pa. Jacob was born in 1822 and Martha was born in 1824 in Hesse Kassel. Jacob was a scissor grinder in Phila for many years. Bauer is another name associated with this family. They were of the Reformed faith. Can any one help with this family? Thanks.

Is there a town named Eulerdorf, Oberhesse, Germany ? I have looked but cannot find. Dan

In a message dated 7/17/2004 4:00:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: I am trying to locate the archives where the church records of the Hanau area are? I have tried to find micro-film records at the Family History Library, and have been told they were not filmed? Any assistance would be greatly appreciated, Hi Carol: If you are sure that none of the listings at the LDS site for Hanau are what you are looking for, you could e-mail the archives in Hesse, give the name of the town you are interested in, and ask where the church records are located and how they can be researched. For Evangelical records: Central Archive of the Evangelical Church in Hessen and Nassau, in Darmstadt: zentralarchiv@ekhn-kv.de For Catholic records: Bistumsarchiv Fulda: archiv@bistum-fulda.de Diocesan archives in Limburg/Kirchenbucharchiv: i.dommermuth@bistumlimburg.de Paul

I am trying to locate the archives where the church records of the Hanau area are? I have tried to find micro-film records at the Family History Library, and have been told they were not filmed? Any assistance would be greatly appreciated, Carol Elk Grove, CA

In a message dated 7/16/2004 11:42:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, aquamar@earthlink.net writes: Hi, Can someone help with the meaning of "Chyrurgi" (taken from a Catholic Baptism record 1812, in Ober Abtsteinach)? I think it means surgeon. Can anyone tell me what that would mean in 1812--is it a high level profession? Would there be any special records I could look for related to a surgeon? The individual in question: Nicolas Bergold of Abtsteinach (wife Catharine Schmitt). Thank you, Marina Cole It is in fact a surgeon, and in 1812 it could go both ways as far as status is concerned. A "Wundartzneychirurg" would usually be a military man of moderate enlisted level, not an officer, and other Chirurg varieties would depend on the position and place. It's not necessarily a physician, which is an educated (University-level) position, and accordingly has high status. Werner Saemmler-Hindrichs Attached please find your translation! We hope to have been of service. Please come and visit us at our new facilities at ALS, Inc 8375 West Main Street Marshall, Virginia 20115 540-364-9041 Sincerely, Werner Sämmler-Hindrichs Director of Operations 1-540-627-8881 cell

Hi, Can someone help with the meaning of "Chyrurgi" (taken from a Catholic Baptism record 1812, in Ober Abtsteinach)? I think it means surgeon. Can anyone tell me what that would mean in 1812--is it a high level profession? Would there be any special records I could look for related to a surgeon? The individual in question: Nicolas Bergold of Abtsteinach (wife Catharine Schmitt). Thank you, Marina Cole Oakland, CA

Hi , Everyone, My Great-grandfather emigrated from the port of Bremen on 10 Oct. 1868, on the ship, Deutschland. I have a copy of the manifest, but cannot make out the name of his place of origin. It looks like Brakencrusk. If anyone has access to this record, would you please look and see if you can decipher what the word is. Many thank's , Alice

I am searching for several SCHNEIDER family members (sometimes spelled SNYDER in the census). They came from Hesse-Darmstadt between 1844 and 1846 to Baltimore, MD. Margaret, b. 1800, and three of her children - John b. abt. 1831-1834; George b. 1837; Margaret b. abt. 1842 are in the 1850 Baltimore City census. The husband of Margaret SCHNEIDER age 50, and father of the above children, is not known. He may have died before they came to America or shortly after arriving. Also in Baltimore is Margaret's oldest daughter, Elizabeth SCHNEIDER BOSSE b. abt. 1830, who is married to Benjamin BOSSE, BOSE, BOESE, etc., b. abt. 1818 (spelled BUSH in this census). Children were Barbara b. 1850; John b. abt. 1852; Margaret (Maggie?) b. abt. 1854; Elizabeth b. abt. 1856; Francis (Frank) b. abt. 1862; Benjamin b. about 1863; Annie b. abt. 1874. This family migrated to Goshen, Elkhart Co., IN and remained there. By 1860, Margaret SCHNEIDER age 60 is living in Clifton, Greene Co., OH with one son, George age 23, still at home. Living in Dayton, Montgomery Co., OH is her son John SCHNEIDER, who has married Mary ZIGLER (ZEIGLER/ZIELGER) b. abt. 1834-1836, and their daughters Mary Eliza b. abt. 1856 and Mary Elizabeth (Lizzie) b. about 1859. Other children listed in later census are Kate b. abt. 1851; John b. abt. 1864; George b. abt. 1866; Henry b. abt. 1868; Joseph b. abt. 1869; and Cora b. abt. 1878. This family remained in Dayton, OH. In 1870, George SCHNEIDER b. 1837 is living in Allen, Noble Co., IN, and has married Mary DOSCH (DASCH/DOSH/DUSCH, etc.) b. 25 Feb. 1844. Children were Mary Ann b. 1 Jan. 1865; Godfried b. abt. 1866-1867; John Aloysius b. 17 Sept. 1873; Joseph Peter b. 12 Dec. 1878; Anna Theresa b. 17 Sept. 1882; unnamed infant b. abt. 1883-1884. I believe the parents of Mary DOSCH are John P. and Mary Ann DOSCH since she is listed in their household in 1860 and they live next door to her in 1870. By 1871, George SCHNEIDER and wife Mary Ann had moved onto Lawrence Co., TN with the huge German migration that took place between 1870 and 1890's. In the 1880 census of Lawrence Co., TN, his mother Margaret age 80 is living with them, which makes me wonder even more why I could not find her in 1870. I have been unable to find anything on Margaret b. abt. 1842. I did find a Margaret the right age married to a Christian/Christene BUCHLER age 32 living in St. Mary's, Auglaize Co., OH, in 1870, but can not be sure if this is my Margaret, even though the age is close and the last name is correct. They have children: Alvin age 6; Irnie or Jamie age 4 (census hard to read); Lillie age 2; and Harvey age 4 mos. I have not been able to find her in any other census. I have not been able to find a marriage record for any of the children of Margaret Schneider - John, George, Elizabeth, or Margaret. I would really love to know this. I would also like death info, exactly when they arrived in Baltimore, and to get in touch with any living descendants to share info with them. If I can find when they arrived, I can determine who the father was or if he died before coming to America. I have gone through a lot of passenger lists for the port of Baltimore from 1839-1850 with no luck. Most important, I would like to know where in Hesse-Darmstadt they lived, parents, dates, church attended, etc., as far back as I can go. If anyone on this list has information on this SCHNEIDER family and/or the families they married into, please answer via the list or contact me at lcarchives@lorettotel.net. I am very willing to share info. Thanks Kathy

Werner, I know that cingular can do this but the rates with the USA card is V E R Y expensive, Gail Folks -- I have AT&T GSM service in the US. I can take it throughout Europe and the former Soviet Union, as well as other parts of the world. No new sims, no rental phones... Cingular does it too. Before that I bought the disposable phones on my trips over. ANy department store/phone kiosk. Werner Saemmler Hindrichs. Attached please find your translation! We hope to have been of service. Please come and visit us at our new facilities at ALS, Inc 8375 West Main Street Marshall, Virginia 20115 540-364-9041 Sincerely, Werner Sämmler-Hindrichs Director of Operations 1-540-627-8881 cell ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== Don't overlook the Hesse mailing list taglines at the bottom of each list E-Mail you receive. Valuable infor- mation is presented there!

Gail wrote: I have not found too much and wanted to see if anyone traveling from another country to Germany, has purchased a SIM card and how it worked. Gail: Have you considered renting a cell phone for your trip. http://www.globalphoneworks.com/ is one suggestion. Regards, Kathleen _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/