Hello Sheila, Kassel is a town in Germany located about midway on a straight line between Hannover 130 km (80 mi) to the north and Frankfurt the same distance to the south. The town is situated about 180 km (113 mi) east of Dusseldorf and 205 km (130 Mi) west of Leipsig. About eight years ago I spent several days in the town of Kassel doing research in the archival library of a Hessen-Kassel historical society. I was researching my immigrant 4th great grandfather, Johannes Zulauf. He had paraded in review before the Landgrave of Hesse on 29 February 1776 and then marched out of Hessen-Kassel in a troop movement that followed down river valleys to the North Sea. There he embarked on a troop ship headed for America. He arrived at Staten Island on 15 August 1776, two weeks short of six months after leaving Hessen-Kassel! He was captured by Americans in 1779, was held POW in Reading, Pennsylvania, and he settled there after the War ended. My immigrant ancestor changed the spelling of his surname from ZULAUF to SULOUFF in Pennsylvania toward the end of the 18th Century. I would enjoy corresponding with any subscriber on this ListServ who is researching the ZULAUF surname, although I regret my German is not very good. As regards the spelling of the town's name, it is my understanding that Cassel is the English spelling and that Kassel is the German spelling, so actually both spellings are correct. Also, I have read that in past centuries the town's name was written with a hyphenated Hessen in front of the town name and that today the name Kassel stands alone without the hyphenated prefix of Hessen. In my 1995-96 ADAC MaxiAtlas Deutchland the town's name appears as Kassel without the prefix. Nelson R. Sulouff Author of Johannes Zulauf, Soldier-Immigrant, Father of Sulouffs and Suloffs In America, published in Journal Of The Johannes Schwalm Historical Association, vol. 5,4 (1996) and vol. 6,1 (1997). //////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ----- Original Message ----- From: Carol Byers To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 11:17 AM Subject: [HESSE] RE: ECKERT - Hesse Cassell Hesse Cassell, which is actually Hesse Kassel, in 1866 this area became part of Hesse-Naussau. Hesse-Naussau consists of two districts Kassel and Wiesbaden. This is a very large area, and almost impossible to locate your ancestor with out knowing the village/town/city and religion of your ancestor. The best approach is finding your ancestor is to first learn everything you can about your ancestors in American. I live in the Sacramento, CA area and belong to the Sacramento German Genealogy Society. If you live here we could help you, as we have a monthly study group and mentor at the Sacramento Family History center. My suggestion is for you find every record dealing with your ancestor, and see if this would give you a clue of his home town. Once you have this information you will be able to find records in Germany. The online, www.familysearch.org, web-site has online research guides you can download, and I would recommend the one on immigration and Germany. Also, if you are near Sacramento, let me know, and I will be glade to help you get started. I'm not an expert, but I'm learning and can get you help from those who can. -----Original Message----- From: Dustbunnytoo@aol.com [mailto:Dustbunnytoo@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 2:31 PM To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: ECKERT - Hesse Cassell I have just finally found the birthplace for my ancestor John ECKERT and his parents was Hesse Cassell. Unfortunately I don't know precisely where this is represented in modern Germany. Can someone help me? I would also love any info anyone might have on this family. John was born in 1823 and had moved with his wife, Barbara Kinn, to Pa. by 1860.With appreciation...Sheila

Most German emigrants were Catholic or Evangelical (Ev.-Luth.). Both of these denomination kept good records. For example, very often one finds listed therein the home towns in Germany of the parents of a baby at Baptism, or of the principals in a wedding. Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks

Hesse Cassell, which is actually Hesse Kassel, in 1866 this area became part of Hesse-Naussau. Hesse-Naussau consists of two districts Kassel and Wiesbaden. This is a very large area, and almost impossible to locate your ancestor with out knowing the village/town/city and religion of your ancestor. The best approach is finding your ancestor is to first learn everything you can about your ancestors in American. I live in the Sacramento, CA area and belong to the Sacramento German Genealogy Society. If you live here we could help you, as we have a monthly study group and mentor at the Sacramento Family History center. My suggestion is for you find every record dealing with your ancestor, and see if this would give you a clue of his home town. Once you have this information you will be able to find records in Germany. The online, www.familysearch.org, web-site has online research guides you can download, and I would recommend the one on immigration and Germany. Also, if you are near Sacramento, let me know, and I will be glade to help you get started. I'm not an expert, but I'm learning and can get you help from those who can. -----Original Message----- From: Dustbunnytoo@aol.com [mailto:Dustbunnytoo@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 2:31 PM To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: ECKERT - Hesse Cassell I have just finally found the birthplace for my ancestor John ECKERT and his parents was Hesse Cassell. Unfortunately I don't know precisely where this is represented in modern Germany. Can someone help me? I would also love any info anyone might have on this family. John was born in 1823 and had moved with his wife, Barbara Kinn, to Pa. by 1860.With appreciation...Sheila

I have just finally found the birthplace for my ancestor John ECKERT and his parents was Hesse Cassell. Unfortunately I don't know precisely where this is represented in modern Germany. Can someone help me? I would also love any info anyone might have on this family. John was born in 1823 and had moved with his wife, Barbara Kinn, to Pa. by 1860.With appreciation...Sheila

Hi Listers, I have been given considerable information on my ancestors by a kind lady in Rossdorf. Among them is a Hans Jacob PETRI, born in Denmark C 1620, married probably in Reinheim C 1653 to Martha NAME UNKNOWN who was born C 1625, he died in Reinheim C 1656. They had at least one son Hans Caspar PETRI born in Reinheim 15/05/1653, date of death unknown. He married in Gross Bierberau 04/02/73 to Anna Barbara BADER who was born in Gross Bierberau in 1658. I have details of a further generation but am now seeking information on Hans Jacob and his forebears. I have tried the Denmark list to no avail although I will try again. Any help will be much appreciated. Cheers Peter STRAUSS Melbourne Australia

Hi, John, I have an Anna Katharina Weinert (b. 25 Nov. 1853 in Gundersblum; died 23 October 1897 in Syracuse, New York); she married Peter GILCHER on 11 October 1882 at St. Peter's Luth. Ch. in Syracuse; they had four children before she died of pneumonia at age 43. Her parents were Philipp Weinert and Jacobina Drenhaeusser, according to the marriage record. There was also a Maria Pabst listed as a lot holder at St. Joseph's (Catholic) Cemetery in Syracuse, New York in 1860 and 1865. And a Friedrich Bapst was a German member of Company H (almost entirely Germans) of the 101st Regiment volunteers from Onondaga County/Syracuse during the Civil War (under General Gustav Sniper). See my website, "German Immigrant Ancestors in Syracuse & Onondaga Co., NY" at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mstone/ (use the "Search this site" feature). Best wishes, Michelle Stone John Poaps wrote: > I am trying to find a friend of mine that helped me with my Pabst family > genealogy. > > I was sent this email to me yesterday and I am hoping someone may have this > book that may contain my ancestor. > > I am researching Pabst along with Johan Nicholas Weinert whose mother is > Margaretha Pabst of Iggelheim Germany. I had located the emigration records > of my Johan Nicholas Weinert family using a couple of sources including a > book written by Annette K. Burgert. Since then we have sent for the

I am trying to find a friend of mine that helped me with my Pabst family genealogy. I was sent this email to me yesterday and I am hoping someone may have this book that may contain my ancestor. I am researching Pabst along with Johan Nicholas Weinert whose mother is Margaretha Pabst of Iggelheim Germany. I had located the emigration records of my Johan Nicholas Weinert family using a couple of sources including a book written by Annette K. Burgert. Since then we have sent for the original German emigration request filled out by Johan Nicholas himself and have confirmed that indeed we have the right man. Well- GOOD NEWS for you!!! I just recieved from Annette K. Burgert, the author and researcher of emigrants from Germany to North America, a book titled Master Index to the Emigrants Documented in the Published Works of Annette K. Burgert F.A.S.G., F.G.S.P. Included in this index is an immigration of Johan Adam Probst which I think is one alternate spelling of Pabst- I have seen this spelling used on Pabst families I have researched. This immigration date is given as 1752. That is a match for your man isn't it?!!! The Source Volume listed is Northern Kraichgau. If I understand this correctly- it refers to the book Eighteenth Centruy Emigrants from German Speaking Lands to North America. (note that this could included Canada) Vol I: The Northern Kraichgau. Breinigsville, PA (1983) The Pennsylvania German Society (1982 Annual Volume #16) Out of Print. It is too bad that it is out of print- but I am sure you can find it in a library someplace. I would try Pennsylvania German Society. They have a website. I did a quick internet search to see where you can obtain this out of print book. Try the following links. I wish I had more time to track it down for you. I have six kids and an exchange student arriving from Europe on Friday morning. My family van gave out and I have to get ready for this student, take care of my own kids and buy a new family van before Friday. I'll be lucky to survive. Good luck! Jon Hall Backenstose backenstose@angelfire.com mailto: backenstose@angelfire.com Jon has some of Burgert's books: "18th Century Emigrants: Langenselbold in Hesse, Northern Alsace, Western Palatinate, and Northern Kraichgau". http://www.horlacher.org/germany/articles/ger1700sfw.htm Finding the origins of 18th-century emigrants from Southern Germany It also appears to be available through the genealogical society in Salt Lake City- LDS http://www.npsnet.com/bcgs/bcgsrl_5.htm WALTER DRAYCOT MEMORIAL LIBRARY CATALOGUE 5 -------------------------------------------- My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. Download your free copy of ChoiceMail from www.choicemailfree.com

Hi Marina, I have some baptism records from that period. Mine start with the date,written out fully, year, day number, month, time of day, born and baptised (same day), the child was named (name)., son/daughter of local burgher and (occupation) father's name and his wife ( first name) born (maiden surname). Sponsors/godparents were (names, local burgher and occupations). Name of town, date, priest's signature. Let me know if I can be of more help. Albert. --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals

Hi lISTERS, Monday and Tuesday I had a worm attack my PC. This was not found by my Norton which is updated regularly. The worm sent unkind messages to those in my address book although many were intercepted by ISP's defences and by anti virus packages on recipient's PC' and returned to me. I apologise for any inconvenience that this may have caused to any of you. Cheers Peter STRAUSS Melbourne Australia

Hi, Is there anyone who has a German baptism record transcribed from old script they would be willing to share? I have Catholic baptisms from 1840-1850's. I'd like to be able to pick out the particular words like relationships and professions. If I knew what the basic German text of a baptism, I think I could figure out the one's specific to my records. Thanks, Marina Oakland, CA

Hallo Waltraud, ich empfehle eine Anfrage an Berthold Depper, E-Mail: BertholdDepper@aol.com, zu richten. Er hat Informationen aus dem ev. KB Schwanheim/Bergstraße. MfG Andreas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Waltraud Pallasch" <Kurt.Pallasch@t-online.de> To: <hessen-l@genealogy.net> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [Hessen-L] Familienbuch Schwanheim/Bergstraße ? > Hallo an die Leute, die mir aufgrund meiner Anfrage geschrieben > haben: Ich bekam keine Antwort auf meine Frage. > > Viele Grüße > Waltraud Pallasch

GEORGE FOX was born 6 June 1811 in Hesse Darmstadt. He came to the USA about 1840 when he was 29. I have found him in the census & obituary. I cannot find a Naturalization or any ship record. I suppose with this little information it would be impossible to find his ancestors in Hesse Darmstadt. Would someone let me know. Thanks. Elaine Linke

Does anyone have access to the book by the Subject author regarding emigration from Nassau 1806-1866? According to Google, it seems to be in many collections in Deutschland. Since I only have the home duchy of my ancestor, I am looking for passenger lists from the period 1840-1850 that might give a home town/parish. What have other folks done in this situation? Thanks, Bart

I have a fairly recent article describing the gravestones of some ancestors that lived in Breitenborn in the late 1500's to the early 1600's. The gravestones are near the cemetery chapel in Breitenborn near the town of Buedingen. Is this cemetery still intact? The gravestone that I am referring to is for Elias Gundelach (1591-1677). He was a glass maker in Breitenborn. Emmitt

Anita, did those who respond indicate that their identically named sib ancestors were both alive at a given point? If so, did the sibs go by different first/middle names within the family? Also, did the two girls you cited have godmothers with the same name? Thanks, Bart -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- At 09:34 AM 8/9/04 -0700, anitagriffith@canada.com wrote: >Hi List - just to let everyone know, several people >have written me to say that they also have multiple >siblings with identical names in their family trees. >Anita > > >==== HESSE Mailing List ==== >Postal Codes, How to Pay for Research, German Language >Letters, Archive Addresses, German Telephone directory, >http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm

Hi All - is Christmas still on Dec 25 in the Julian Calendar? Anita

Hi List - just to let everyone know, several people have written me to say that they also have multiple siblings with identical names in their family trees. Anita

Hi - I have 2 questions: 1. Could a Lutheran get married during Lent in 1691? I think the marriage was 3 Apr and Easter that year was 12 Apr. The marriage date is given as a feast day and the spelling of the day is cut off - it could be several different days. It seems that the minister at that time gave feast days during Lent and Advent, and regular dates the rest of the year. Would the minster list feast days during Epiphany? 2. I have a lot of intermarrying on one branch of my tree and I'm trying to sort them out. Would parents name daughters born 9 years apart (1745 & 1754) the same name when the older was still living? I can't find a second marriage for the father in between the two. Both girls have different godmothers. There is a third daughter born 1757. There don't appear to be any other children between children 1 & 2. There is only one man in the village with the father's name, so I don't think it's 2 different fathers. Does anyone have any advice on sorting out these sorts of complicated relationships? I appreciate any help or advice anyone has. Thanks, Anita in Ontario, Canada

In 1834 the city and district of Worms was in the Rhinehessen province of the Grand Duchy of Hesse. This area is now part of the state of Rhineland-Pfalz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Y. Clawson" <clawsonsy@hotmail.com> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 12:02 PM Subject: [HESSE] EHRESMANN, 1840, USA > When Jacob Ehresmann came to the USA he gave his citizenship as "Kingdom of > Hesse". The place of birth for his daughter Katherine Ehresmann recorded in > the Gingrich family Bible after she married John Gingrich II is "Neuhausen > bie Worms" (if we are reading it correctly). This appears to be an > administrative district rather than a town. Is this correct? Was this area > under the control of the Dukes of Hess in 1834? Or was Jacob's citizenship > different from that of his daughter's birthplace? We had thought Katharine > was born in Mannheim, although the exact source of this information is > unclear. Is this simply incorrect? Or is there some administrative > explanation? Maybe when asked in later life, she just gave the name of the > nearest large city that she remembered? > > Thanks, > Susan > > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® > Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Looking for old messages? > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/HESSE.html > Search or Browse >

Looking for researcher to get family history of Heinrich Mueller, b. 9/26/1847. The name of the town that he came from Ranstadt, Hesse, Darmstardt. Henry`s mother is Maria KLAUN His Dad was John (Johann) Mueller Barbara : ) Irish: ARMSTRONG, BARRETT, BURKE, BYRNE, CORRIGAN, GALLAGHER, McNALLY, QUINN German: BAUER, BEARE, BEIMANN, BEEKMAN, BEUSCHER, BLANKENMEYER, CASTLE, DECKER, ENGLEHARD/T, HELMKEN, HOHLER, HURRINUS, JOHNSON, KELLER, KITTELBERGER, KLAUN, LOW, MILLER/MEULLER/MULLER, RINGEISEN, ROLLMANN, SCHNEIDER, SOFFEL, STERRITT, STRATTON, TRAVER, UMBROLIA, VETTER, WAGNER, WEIGAND, WILLIAMS Polish: BUDARZ, ROMANSKI