Could anyone tell me the definition of "Uuterreich ueten" on a baptismal certificate. I think it refers to the pastor of the church. Thanks

Trying to locate the location of the places listed in the time periods shown. Example, Hessen-cassel, etc. Eschwege-Alstadt 1600's EschwegeNeustadt, 1586 Freinsteinau, 1603 Hammelburg, 1609 Heyerode, 1700's Niederduenzebach, 170's0, 1800's Nieder-Moos, 1670 Oberduenzebach, 1755-1822 Orb (now Bad Orb) 1608, 1643 Rabenstein, 1600-1680 Rebsdorf, 1604 Salmuenster, 1600's, 1770's Sontra, 1580 Ed

Latinized surnames indicate an educated person. John

Hallo List: I am still searching for a very rare family name orig.of my husbands. Where they came from ect... Found in the Palatine book via picton press a clue? This Palatines came over in 1710 to NY-Western MD. Over 800 families. The name is Clevenius/Lifinius/Listenus als there is another similiar name ending MILGES/MILIUS. CLEVIDENCE is the name of ours. Would anybody know more about this or could lead me to a website? I know Ann of CLEVE married Henry the 8th ,fourth wife,died early. Did they go over to England and fallow her ,not sure. To the Mines in WALES and then some came over here? CLEVE is a in Westphalia on the DUTCH border. Thanks in advance,I appreciate any input on this. Doris.

Can anyone tell me about Hunfeld (leveled to make way for a Kaserne). Hunfeld was South of Hammelburg. This place is an important location in my family history. There is also a Hunsfeld. gets confusing. Ed

Please let me know if you have information on Lorenz (born ??) and Georg (his son) born 1830. US Census' have Georg's birth in both Hesse Kassel and Hannover. Georg married Rosina Mohr from Baden around 1858 in NY, USA. Best regards, Jim

Pat, I have been researching in Apelern and other small towns in the same area. My ancesters ARE NERGE, SCHROEDER. A german friiend wrote a letter to the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Apelern and I received information on the one family. I have since tried to find films but I don't think they the LDS filmed these small towns. I am getting ready to write to them again and to the other towns for information.. Carlene

I am wondering if anyone is doing research out of this area. I have recently discovered my family was from the principality of Grafschaft Schaumburg. My little villages in that area are Lyhren, Apelern, Riehe and Soldorf. Pat

Hello Aileen an lists , It fits IF you know the rest of the story ! , my gggrandfather ran away from an Abusive Father / Family , He Married a lady MUCH MUCH younger than him , I believe he took the name of Joseph to hide from his family , There is NO Joseph anywhere in the family , NONE NEVER !!!! , And They are not Catholic ! , Lutheran His father is Adam , his father is Johan George , his father is Peter from Lampertheim , Hesse , , Thanks to all who wrote , Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aileen Sloane" <aileen.sloane@sympatico.ca> To: <GERMAN-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [Ger-Sur] a Good German name ?? > In a message this morning, > Phil at <joe2phil@drizzle.com> > asks: > > ".... I am Joseph Philip as is my father and Grandfather , BUT There is > NO one else EVER with it. I am thinking my grandfather changed his name > to disguise his identity, Adding Joseph ...." > > Phil: > > The thought that Grand-Father had changed his first name but not the > Surname in order to hide an identity? > Doesn't fit! He would have had to change both to achieve that end. > > As to the name - Joseph ... > > ... for a boy, particlarly when born to a Catholic family, whether in > Germany/Bavaria, or any other place for that matter, in my humble > opinion, JOSEPH was and will always be, an excellent Baptismal name > choice. > > You see, he was being given the name of a Saint. In this case, St. > Joseph. > > Catholics named their children after particular Saints. In so doing, > through their devotions, they enlisted the aid of that Saint in > protecting the spiritual life of their child and in keeping him out of > "harm's way". > > Had it been a girl, she might have received the names Maria Josephina > (Mary Josephine), in honor of Christ's Mother Mary, and at the same > time, of St. Joseph, the man to whom Christ's and Mary's care was > entrusted by Christ's heavenly Father. Could a parent entrust a child > to any better care than that of Christ's sainted earthly parents? > > If your ancestors followed normal naming patterns, > while it appears to you that no male behind your Grand-Father carried > the name Joseph, it could have been the name of a male from one of the > other branches of your family Tree. > > It might also have been the name of your Great-Grand-Father's > God-Father, a male relative, or a beloved friend, whom his parents > wished to honor by choosing him as God-Father to their son. > > Then too, they could have simply decided it was about time to restore, > or introduce, the name "Joseph" into the family. > > It might even have been your maternal Great-Grand-Father's name! Just > as we use their names to-day! > > I am certain there are many other suppositions which address your > thoughts, yet, in the end, all boil down to one simple fact. Parents > choose names for various reasons be they sentimental or practical. > > One particularly practical reason comes to mind. > > Among families of limited income it was an accepted and quite normal > practice to choose a person of influence, even of wealthier standing as > God-parent. They chose a person they knew would take their sponsorial > duties/promises seriously, thus ensuring their child's future should > something unforeseen happen to them while he was yet of minor age. The > child would be named after it's God-parent at Baptism. At which time, > in your Grand-Father's case, Joseph might have been introduced as a new > name on the Tree. > > Hope this helps. > > Aileen > > If you have any idea of the life situation of your ancestors, you will > be able to figure out if such a decision could have been made to ensure > the future of your ancestors. > > In your own case, your were probably named after your Dad, perhaps as > the elder son? Remember too, through use of the naming pattern we are > able to pass on their names to future generations, thus honoring their > very existence. After all, it is thanks to them that you carry the > genes of your ancestral line. > > In today's world - many parents choose names according to the way they > "roll off the tongue" in union with the Surname! Some just do not fit > together - comfortably. > > Rest assured ... IMHO, there was no name change. > > >

Jozias is also a European rendition of Joseph--at least it is in/near the Netherlands. Perhaps his name was Jozias or Jozia. Is Philip your middle name or your last name? This name Philip likely started as a patronym. Good luck in your search. Jean

Yes, Phil, Joseph is a good German name. My wife is pure German, and I have a significant number of German lines. While we don't have a whoppin' lot of Josephs, our German research over 25 years has produced a significant number of them. Hope this helps your quandary a bit. Dave Ross, Denver dcross4548@comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Stevens" <joe2phil@drizzle.com> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 10:36 PM Subject: [HESSE] a Good German name ?? > Hello list , a question for you to ponder upon , Is Joseph a given name > used in families from / in Germany ? How frequently is it used ? > I ask as I am Joseph Philip as is my father and Grandfather , BUT There > is NO one else EVER with it >>> I am thinking my grandfather changed his > name to disguise his identity , Adding Joseph !! , tia Phil > > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Looking for old messages? > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/HESSE.html > Search or Browse >

Hello list , a question for you to ponder upon , Is Joseph a given name used in families from / in Germany ? How frequently is it used ? I ask as I am Joseph Philip as is my father and Grandfather , BUT There is NO one else EVER with it >>> I am thinking my grandfather changed his name to disguise his identity , Adding Joseph !! , tia Phil

In a message dated 9/2/04 8:01:00 PM, HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << 2 Sep 2004 From: "dave ross" <dcross4548@comcast.net> To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com <<Subject: JOHANNES HAPPEL/MARBURG/1586 <<My wife's line includes one Johannes Happel, b. ca. 1586 in Marburg. He wed Dorothea Beer on 22 Dec 1611 in Marburg. Johannes was a shoemaker and Provost of Scholarships at Marburg Univ. He probably died prior to 1632. Johannes and Dorothea had 3 children, per our sources: Georg Eberhard, b. ca. 1613 in Marburg; Rev. Johann Conrad, b. 9 Oct 1617 in Marburg; Georg <<Burkhard, b. 1 Jul 1631 (ca.) in Marburg. >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hello Dave, I do not know if I have specific info re. your Johannes Happel, but have plenty of Happel families in my files (all Hessen). My problem is connecting with the “right” Happel family/ families. Cousin Wilhelm Happel of Haina -Mohnhausen said OUR Happel line became known more widely because Christoph Happel was Müller of Haubern mill. The largest concentration of Happels is found in north Hessen villages: Romershausen, Dainrode, Mohnhausen, Sehlen, Rosenthal, Josbach, Wohra, Alt Heim, Wohra (now Wohratal), Gladenbach area, Waldeck, Bad Waldugen, etc. “The name Happel is more common in Marburg area than in Haina-Mohnhausen area (about 40kms apart). --------------------- Another German source in Kassel, Hessen sent the following: Michel HAPPEL named 1543 in Hersfeld, Hessen the state is called Hessen in German, a single person living here is a Hesse Jacob HAPPEL, 1544 in Hebel, near Homberg / Efze, Hessen Heintz HAPPEL, Caßdorf, nearby, 1545 Hans HAPPEL, Welferode, 1544, nearby Curdt HAPPEL, Dinkelrode, Amt Landeck, Hessen, 1543 Henn HAPPEL, same place, same year Hanns HAPPEL, Körle, 1553, near Kassel, Hessen, Heintz HAPPEL, 1545 in Schmalkalden, then belonging to Hessen, now in the federal state Thüringen The name Happel is an old German first name it is the short form of HARTLEF/ HARTLIEB existing already since about 1300 - so it is of different origin Parish registers don´t exist that early time, mostly beginning about 1640 Those names were taken from the muster registers for all men able to bear a lance in 1543 - 1553, just in the centre of the old HESSEN, as it is called Niederhessen, around Kassel but the name Happel exists all over Germany.The oldest parish register (1565 - 1598) of the old town in the city of Kassel has in 1572 a marriage Albert BACK and Anna HAPPEL in 1595 Hans DUNCH from Elfershausen and Elisabeth HAPPEL, from Großenenglis in 1576 dies Hen HAPPEL´s wife -------------------- The name was traced to the 13th century. Persons with the Happel name were found in many occupations, from lance bearers, church administrators & ‘middle ages’ university professors to artisians, woodsmen, etc. The Happels of Brunstruth area have their beginnings in ‘Meister’ (master) Henrich Happel (1799) of Gruesen who came from Sebbeterode in 1670 to get married. “ I am happy to send all my Happel lines or just promising ones that you want to review. My grandfather Johann Wilhelm Happel moved from Mohnhausen to St. Louis, MO in 1800s. Sincerely, Geraldine Happel Graham San Antonio, TEXAS Family History http://members.aol.com/dickandgerri/ .............................................................................. .........................

for helping me with the Vorname of James =Jacob=Jakob. Greetings Doris.

You have to find the answer in your own language: As James is Jacob, it would be Jakob Heinz

My wife's line includes one Johannes Happel, b. ca. 1586 in Marburg. He wed Dorothea Beer on 22 Dec 1611 in Marburg. Johannes was a shoemaker and Provost of Scholarships at Marburg Univ. He probably died prior to 1632. Johannes and Dorothea had 3 children, per our sources: Georg Eberhard, b. ca. 1613 in Marburg; Rev. Johann Conrad, b. 9 Oct 1617 in Marburg; Georg Burkhard, b. 1 Jul 1631 (ca.) in Marburg. We have the descendancy, but we're looking for help with Johannes/Dorothea, and his ancestry. I've e-mailed with Wilhelm Duchmann in Germany, whose Happel line gave appearances of being helpful, and maybe it's related, but he can't give any verification that his Johannes is the same as ours. DOES ANYONE ON THIS LIST HAVE ANY HELP FOR US?? We'll be happy to share thoughts. Dave Ross, Denver dcross4548@comcast.net All outgoing e-mail pre-scanned by McAfee AntiVirus

Would somebody on the list know what the German Version of James is? Like Johann -John. Thanks Doris

Below is a copy of a letter I am sending to MARHENKE descendants all over Germany. I am pasting a copy to E-mail my E-mail lists also. I hope the translation is good as I do not read German---Bob Marhenke Viele Grüße aus Amerika! September 2004 Mein Name ist Bob (Robert) Marhenke. Ich bin 74 Jahre alt, ein in Ruhestand getretener Tischler, und lebe in Lincoln, Nebraska, USA. Ich bin schon seit vielen Jahren auf meinen Marhenke Familien Ursprung interessiert und habe seit langem nachgeforscht. Es war mir möglich, über Internet die Telephonlistung von allen Deutschen Marhenken zu bekommen und habe an viele geschrieben. Viele Marhenke Familien haben mir geantwortet. Von ungefähr 1500 Marhenken ist mir leider eine Verbindung mit meinen Ur-Urgroßeltern immer noch entkommen. Doch infolge meiner Forschung, habe ich entnommen, daß meine Ahnen aus ther Hannover — Berka Region stammen. Ich bin jetzt in Verbindung mit einem Mann, dessen Ahnen von diesen beiden Orten stammen. Viele Leute, die mir geschrieben haben, glauben daselbe wie ich — daß wir vielleicht weitschichtig verwandt sind, wenn wir nur den “richtigen” Schlüssel finden könnten! Ich möchte Ihnen jetzt meine Marhenke Linie beschreiben in der Hoffnung, daß wir irgendwie einen Zusammenhang finden werden. Im vergangenen Jahr, habe ich einen Ahnenforscher aus Bremen angestellt. Er ist nach Hannover gefahren und hat the Archieven durchgeforscht und mir die folgende Information berichtet, welche mir auf 30 Jahre entkommen war: Ich weiß nun, daß mein Urgroßvater Christian Marhenke (und auch seine zwei Bruder, welche nach Amerika ausgewandert sind), waren die Kinder meiner Ur-Urgroßeltern, Heinrich Friedrich Christoph Marhenke, geboren in Banteln am 30. November 1789, und Ur-Ur Großmutter Marie Christine Sophie Justine Meier, geboren in Wallensen am 29, Juni 1791, und waren am 27. Mai 1820 in Banteln verheiratet. Während dieser Heirat, hatten sie fünf Kinder. Nach Jahren später sind vier von diesem Aufsprung nach Amerika gekommen, aber einer der fünf scheint zurück geblieben zu sein, nämlich Heinrich Conrad Ludwig Marhenke, geboren am 31. Juli 1829 in Deinsen-Marienhagen. Es kann sein, daß jemand von Ihnen denselben Ahnen hat. Sollte das der Fall sein, dann würde ich gern davon Bescheid haben. Er würde mein Groß-Großonkel gewesen sein und sollte er auch einen Aufsprung gehabt haben, kann es sein daß einer von Ihnen vielleicht dieselben Ahnen hatte. Die Eltern meiner Ur-Ur Großmutter Marie Christine Sophie Justine Meier waren Matthias Henry Meier und Sophia Louise Marhenken, welche am 4. April 1774 geheiratet haben. Ich habe auch weiter Bescheid über meine Ur-Ur-Urgroßeltern. Sie waren: Hans Wilhelm Marhenke, geboren am 31. Oktober 1759 in Thuste, verheiratet am 24. Oktober 1782 in Banteln mit Ilse Engle Steinecken, geboren am 5. Juni 1760 in Banteln. Noch eine Generation zurück, mein Ur-Ur-Ur-Urgroßvater Johann Hermann Marhenke, geboren im Jahr 1719, verheiratet am 21. August 1755 mit Ilse Justine Lehnhoffs, geboren im April 1736, in Wallensen. Zur Zeit ihrer Hochzeit lebte er in Levedagsen und sie in Ockensen and der Tod von beiden war in Wallensen dokumentiert. Sollte jemand von Ihnen Auskunft von deren etwaigen Aufsprung haben, würde ich gerne davon Bescheid haben. 2) Ich hoffe sehr, daß Sie mir vielleicht in meiner Ahnenforschung helfen können, doch sollten Sie diese Information nicht haben, möchte ich Sie bitten, diesen Brief an andere Marhenkefamilien weiter zu verteilen. Ich wäre sehr interessiert in Marhenke Ahnentafeln, denn vielleicht kann ich mit meiner Ahnentafel eine Verbindung finden. Wer weiß? Wir könnten Vetter oder Kusinen sein. Ich werde auf Ihre Antwort mit großer Spannung warten! Viele Grüße asu Amerika, Bob Marhenke 1732 Rancho Road Lincoln, NE 68502 USA bobmarval@juno.com

Hello Name.... SCHARF Peter age.... 15years birth date... 12/March/1831 birth place... Germany Eppertshausen (Hessen) parents... Erwin SCHARF Maria Christina GRUBER married... 19/January/1824 appreciated your assistance. Lorna SHARF E-Mail..lorna1@pacific.net.au

Hallo Listenteilnehmer, hallo Markus, mich erreichte nachfolgende Anfrage von Frau Duane Lamers bzgl. einer Familie ROTH aus Reiskirchen in Kurhessen. Gibt es Stammlisten zur Kurhessischen Armee? Antwort bitte auch direkt an Frau Lamers, E-Mail: kglamers@yahoo.com (möglichst auf englisch). MfG Andreas Herr Meininger, bitte entschuldigen Sie dafür, daß das Schreiben nicht in die deutsche Sprache geschrieben ist. Ich lese oder schreibe Ihre Sprache nicht gut. Ich sah, daß Sie eine Antwort auf der Webseite über die Armee in Kurhessen bekanntgaben. Ich habe eine Frage über diese: Mein Vorfahr Eduard ROTH war nur 15 Jahre alt, als er in die Vereinigten Staaten 1863 kam. Auf der Passagiereimigrationliste in Hamburg gab er an, daß er von Reiskirchen in Kurhessen kam. Später in seinem Leben in Amerika erklärte er seinen Kindern, daß er nach Amerika kam, um Militärdienst zu vermeiden. Ich bin nicht in der Lage gewesen, eine ROTH Familie in Kurhessen zu finden. Ich versuche, eine Familie ROTH zu finden dessen Sohn Eduard am 17. Oktober 1848 geboren wurde. Ich möchte mehr über diese Familie erfahren. Ist es möglich, daß es militärische Aufzeichnungen von Kurhessen gibt, die über die Namen der Leute berichten, die Militärdienst vermieden haben? Ist es möglich, daß Jungen im Alter von 15 Jahren aufgefordert wurden, Militärdienst zu leisten? Jede Hilfe oder Information, die Sie mir geben könnten, würde ich sehr schätzen. Heinz HANG, der bei Dreieich-Offenthal in Hessen lebt, ist ein Freund von mir. Duane Lamers ----- Original Message ----- From: Duane/Rita Lamers To: Andreas Meininger Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 8:36 PM Subject: army in Kurhessen Mr. Meininger, Please pardon me for not writing to you in the German language. I do not read or write your language very well. I noticed that you posted a reply on the website about the army in Kurhessen. I have a question about this, too: My ancestor Eduard Roth was only 15 years old when he came to the United States in 1863. On the passenger emigration list in Hamburg he stated that he came from Reiskirchen in Kurhessen. Later in his life in America he told his children that he came to America to avoid military service. I have not been able to find a Roth family in Kurhessen. I am trying to find a familie Roth whose son Eduard was born 17 October 1848. I wish to learn more about the family. Is it possible that there are military records from Kurhessen that report the names of people who have avoided military service? Is it possible that boys of 15 years of age were required to enroll for military service? Any help or direction you are able to give to me will be greatly appreciated. Heinz Hang who lives at Dreieich-Offenthal in Hessen is a friend of mine. Duane Lamers