I found my Ehresmann family in the HADIS listings, both in 1838 and 1840, but I'm not sure what to do with what I found. Is this a listing of further information? If so, where to I apply to receive a copy? Or is it just a database listing of emigrants? Either way, it is thrilling to find them. Thanks, Susan On 10/12/04 1:00 PM, "HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com" <HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > From: "Virginia Dunham" <geistdnham@cfl.rr.com> > Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:37:42 -0400 > To: <HESSE-D@rootsweb.com> > Subject: re: immigrant lists > > http://www.hadis.hessen.de/ > > Sorry...as Frances Roth pointed out, I accidentally sent a session which timed > out. You can use the above or the url I sent then click on "hier"....

Ms. Del Carpio I stated that I was looking for the older Fürth Evangelical records. I have been through the Evangelical record in Lindenfels, but I have not found the ones in Fürth. Most of my research has been before 1850 in that region. I have good information on the Catholic records in Fürth and Lindenfels from 1830 back to 1660 and 1750 respectively. I am not sure I can help you, but I would be glad to try to help on any specific questions that you might have. Jay -- Jay E. Frank > From: <HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com> > Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:00:19 -0600 > > Dear sirs, > I just read this attached message and I would like to know the way how can I > contact with the Evangelical Records, because I want some information about > the period between 1890 - 1925 aprox. > Pls. if Mr Jay Frank can tell me about this. > Thks. > Gabriela del carpio

I have had GREAT success with the following addresses: 1 – Archives – in Kassel Landeskichliches Archive Lessingstrassa 15 A 34119 Kassel Germany http://www.ekkw.de/archiv/ 2 - Standesamt- (This is similar to our Civil records, court house) Postfach 1560 37269 Eschwege Germany ....................................................................Virginia Gross

http://www.hadis.hessen.de/ Sorry...as Frances Roth pointed out, I accidentally sent a session which timed out. You can use the above or the url I sent then click on "hier".... live today to the fullest...and your yesterdays shall be of lovely memories...and your tomorrows shall take care of themselves.......

If you find any family members on this site, you may want to try entering the name of the town they came from in the search box... live today to the fullest...and your yesterdays shall be of lovely memories...and your tomorrows shall take care of themselves.......

I recently came across the following link: http://www.hadis.hessen.de/scripts/HADIS.DLL/home?SID=22D6-154FF27-B7615&PID=6C1B Once there in the bottom left you will see a box with "Schnellsuche"...put name you are searching in that and hit the magnifier icon. Look for results in the category: Auswanderer-Nachweise I have found many of my family members who originated from the Darmstadt area in the listing. Virginia live today to the fullest...and your yesterdays shall be of lovely memories...and your tomorrows shall take care of themselves.......

This is a great resource for everyone, I really appreciate the people who have gone before and are willing to share their knowledge and experiences. I have followed my father's ancestors back throught the graces of the Catholic Chruch and the Census. Now I have a problem trying to figure where they originated in what is now Germany. The family was staunchly Catholic here in the States. In many of the early Census, 1850 to 1870, the country of origin was listed as Hesse, Koer Hesse, and Hessen Castle. I know about the smaller dutchy being on the loosing end of a war, being absorbed into a larger country. What I am wondering is would there still be Catholic Churches in an area predominantly Lutheran? Where can I find a map of Hesse of the time period of 1845-1855? How large of an area was Hesse, the size of Rhode Island or Ohio? Somewhere in between? Thanks for your help. In US, Palentine, and Alsace-Lorriane: Hergenroether/Harkenrider, Holzinger, Kinder, Crum, Geeting/Guthing, Sonner/Sanner, Eberly, Ambrose, Mattias/Matthews In US: Eddingfield, Byrd, , Besser, Correll/Gorell, Douglass, Vail, Cartwright, McCorkle, Bevins, Ruddle, Cailey, Rodeheffer --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today!

Have you tried the 1891/1901 Census (assuming that he was still alive)? - sometimes more information is given on later census records. Did he ever become naturalized British? If he did there will be some information held at KEW - you could check their records on line. Have you heard of the Anglo-German Family History Society? It is worth considering joining. They have a website. Regards Dave PS contact me direct if you need more information on the websites. In a message dated 10/10/2004 22:00:48 GMT Daylight Time, HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > Thank you for replying. The marriage certificate was issued in England, > Lancashire so doesn't give any information about German origin. All it gi= > ves > is his fathers name. The only information I have that points to Germany = > is > the 1881 Britsih Census record that simply states his birthplace as Nassa= > u, > Germany. Found this at familysearch.org. Rapidly learning that there is > more than one Nassau, but don't know how to find out any more details. > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Carol Byers" <cabyers@frontiernet.net> > To: "'Peter Antonio'" <peter@antonio2.freeserve.co.uk>;=20 > <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 6:41 AM > Subject: RE: Hesse-Nassau question > > > Which Nassau are you looking for? > > 1, Germany, Preu=DFen, Hessen-Nassau > 2. Germany, Preu=DFen, Hessen-Nassau, Nassau > 3. Germany, Sachsen, Nassau > 4. Germany, W=FCrttemberg, Nassau > > Where was his marriage certificate issued? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Antonio [mailto:peter@antonio2.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 11:54 AM > To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Hesse-Nassau question > > I am searching for any information on the Antonio family from Nassau. I > have traced my gr. gr. gr. grandfather via census and marriage records an= > d > believe his was born William Antonio in Nassau in 1839. He moved to > England, Liverpool and was married in 1866. He had 4 children and I have > been able to trace a direct line to myself. The only other information t= > hat > I have is from his marriage certificate which gives his father's name as > Conrad. Any information or help that anybody can give in tracing other > members of the Antonio family in Germany would be greatly appreciated. > > ______________________________

Dear sirs, I just recently read the attached mail, and I am very happy that persons like Betty could have find their ancestors. I also have a long time searching for my grandma Maria Fahlbusch, that was born in Germany but I dont have the exactly place, and I can´t get information about her, but maybe if Betty can give the Church´s address where she went or something that can help me. I will we very gratefully regards Gabriela Bdhery@aol.com wrote: De: Bdhery@aol.com Fecha: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:10:52 EDT Asunto: Re: [HESSE] Fürth Evangelical Records Para: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com I have researched my famly for many years, and just recently returned from four weeks in Germany and surrounding countries. Since 1995, I knew where I needed to obtain information, but due to things between the LDS (Morman Church) and the German Archives, We cannot obtain them except one record at a time at a cost of almost $100.00. They refuse to let the LDS copy their records due to to their baptising them into the LDS faith. The only way to obtain the information is have someone do it for you. It is a shame that they could not be made avaliable to us. The Evangelical state Archives in Hessen is the only way to find the old church records. I wished for years read everything that I could and now I have what I need and want. I went to Germany and got it. The state Church Archives, is hard t find. I went in circles for 30 minutes and could not find it, finally got a map from a service station and found dead end streets and some not wide enough but for one car and they do park cars on the sidewalk also. Many streets are still cobblestone. I will contact Rootsweb, and write a story about my research and I think they will put it in the Newsletter that arrives every week. I love the newsletter, because it tells of other people's finds and can help us do our own research at times. I have read it for eight years. We all want to research our families both unknown and the famous. The famous people have the money to have someone do their research and the poor people sit and wish. Well after my Husbands death last year I could not get away, to do my research. In May of this year I made arrangements to fly to Hessen, Frankfurt, Germany and drive to Kassel and found family and had a wonderful family reunion, and found records back to 1654. Things that I had wished for for the past 14 years, and knew that they had to be there. My grgr grandfather was a Hessian Soldier and I found him in the book Hetrina, there are two volums and are in alphibical order and then miscellaneous misses at the end of each. Many people who have family that arrived in USA in 1775 to 1790 could be Hessians who deserted from the troups. England recrited the King of Germany to conscript these young men and send them to help fight for the rights of England. If you know history, you will have already known this. I loved the small villages so much and the look of Germany that I will be returning there in August, September and part of October of 2005. I am a 73 year widow, and have done research for many years. I am not a professional, but am well versed on Genealogy, lectured and taught it, and started a group that is now a genealogical society. If you do not belong to a society, please do. you can learn so much from others and enhance your own research. I have known since 1990 who my family was in Germany and basically where they originated from. I now have records that will take me a long time to get into my computer, and family that will eventually come to the United States to Visit, and see what we look like and return home to their beautiful country. Betty ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/HESSE.html to unsubscribe --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Todo lo que quieres saber de Estados Unidos, América Latina y el resto del Mundo. Visíta Yahoo! Noticias.

Dear sirs, I just read this attached message and I would like to know the way how can I contact with the Evangelical Records, because I want some information about the period between 1890 - 1925 aprox. Pls. if Mr Jay Frank can tell me about this. Thks. Gabriela del carpio Jay Frank <jfrank@fsarchitects.com> wrote: Fecha: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:02:05 -0500 De: Jay Frank Para: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com Asunto: [HESSE] Fürth Evangelical Records I have been searching for the Fürth Evangelical Records at the LDS. In their search by location, it gives Fürth, Hesse Darmstadt. Open it up and it provides a selection of both Evangelical and Catholic Records. I have been trough the St. Johann der Taufer Catholic Church records and they are fairly complete back to the 1660s. I have checked out four Evangelical Church tapes from the earliest times and they are all from Hammelbach, Bensheim, and Rimbach, principally. Fürth is listed as only the origin of a few of families. The majority are from Lörzenbach, Mörlenbach, and Rimbach. The evangelical church existed from at least the early 1700s and there should be records from that period. I am looking for the records from 1760 to 1820. Has anyone seen these or know where they are located and can be seen. -- Jay E. Frank ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== Postal Codes, How to Pay for Research, German Language Letters, Archive Addresses, German Telephone directory, http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Todo lo que quieres saber de Estados Unidos, América Latina y el resto del Mundo. Visíta Yahoo! Noticias.

I have no experience with the British Census, but in my experience with the US Census when it lists a place it's the area (state, dutchy, etc.) as opposed to a specific town. Best guess is that he was from the Dutchy of Nassau, which along with Hessen-Kassel became Hessen-Nassau (a Prussian province) in 1867 after being on the losing side of the 1866 Austro-Prussian War. As for what town he's from, that will be the key thing to know so you can find more information. Perhaps there is some kind of records for people who immigrated to England? or you can find a ships passenger list with more information? Regards, Brian Z. Eberling < Thank you for replying. The marriage certificate was issued in England, < Lancashire so doesn't give any information about German origin. All it < gives < is his fathers name. The only information I have that points to Germany < is < the 1881 Britsih Census record that simply states his birthplace as < Nassau, < Germany. Found this at familysearch.org. Rapidly learning that there is < more than one Nassau, but don't know how to find out any more details. < < ----- Original Message ----- < From: "Carol Byers" <cabyers@frontiernet.net> < To: "'Peter Antonio'" <peter@antonio2.freeserve.co.uk>; < <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> < Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 6:41 AM < Subject: RE: Hesse-Nassau question < < < Which Nassau are you looking for? < < 1, Germany, Preußen, Hessen-Nassau < 2. Germany, Preußen, Hessen-Nassau, Nassau < 3. Germany, Sachsen, Nassau < 4. Germany, Württemberg, Nassau < < Where was his marriage certificate issued? < < < < -----Original Message----- < From: Peter Antonio [mailto:peter@antonio2.freeserve.co.uk] < Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 11:54 AM < To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com < Subject: Hesse-Nassau question < < I am searching for any information on the Antonio family from Nassau. I < have traced my gr. gr. gr. grandfather via census and marriage records and < believe his was born William Antonio in Nassau in 1839. He moved to < England, Liverpool and was married in 1866. He had 4 children and I have < been able to trace a direct line to myself. The only other information < that < I have is from his marriage certificate which gives his father's name as < Conrad. Any information or help that anybody can give in tracing other < members of the Antonio family in Germany would be greatly appreciated. < < ______________________________ < < < < < < ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== < Postal Codes, How to Pay for Research, German Language < Letters, Archive Addresses, German Telephone directory, < http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm

Thank you for replying. The marriage certificate was issued in England, Lancashire so doesn't give any information about German origin. All it gives is his fathers name. The only information I have that points to Germany is the 1881 Britsih Census record that simply states his birthplace as Nassau, Germany. Found this at familysearch.org. Rapidly learning that there is more than one Nassau, but don't know how to find out any more details. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Byers" <cabyers@frontiernet.net> To: "'Peter Antonio'" <peter@antonio2.freeserve.co.uk>; <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 6:41 AM Subject: RE: Hesse-Nassau question Which Nassau are you looking for? 1, Germany, Preußen, Hessen-Nassau 2. Germany, Preußen, Hessen-Nassau, Nassau 3. Germany, Sachsen, Nassau 4. Germany, Württemberg, Nassau Where was his marriage certificate issued? -----Original Message----- From: Peter Antonio [mailto:peter@antonio2.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 11:54 AM To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Hesse-Nassau question I am searching for any information on the Antonio family from Nassau. I have traced my gr. gr. gr. grandfather via census and marriage records and believe his was born William Antonio in Nassau in 1839. He moved to England, Liverpool and was married in 1866. He had 4 children and I have been able to trace a direct line to myself. The only other information that I have is from his marriage certificate which gives his father's name as Conrad. Any information or help that anybody can give in tracing other members of the Antonio family in Germany would be greatly appreciated. ______________________________

New e-mail address mlgeller@qwest.net >From: HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com >To: HESSE-D@rootsweb.com >Subject: HESSE-D Digest V04 #225 >Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 21:00:15 -0600 > >Content-Type: text/plain > >HESSE-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 225 > >Today's Topics: > #1 Hanover Question [Bart Hansen ><kilmory@earthlink.net] > #2 Hesse-Nassau question ["Peter Antonio" ><peter@antonio2.fr] > #3 Hanover - Oppershausen [Bart Hansen ><kilmory@earthlink.net] > >Administrivia: >To unsubscribe from HESSE-D, send a message to > HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com >that contains in the body of the message the command > unsubscribe >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. NEVER hit your >reply button to unsubscribe. > >Web Site for HESSEN, GERMANY, is at >http://members.cox.net/hessen/index.htm > >Many towns in Germany have the same name! Add the 5-digit >zip code in front of the name! Zip codes explained, >http://members.cox.net/hessen/index.htm > >To unsubscribe or to look for old messages, go to: >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/HESSE.html > > > >______________________________ >X-Message: #1 >Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 10:57:23 -0400 >From: Bart Hansen <kilmory@earthlink.net> >To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com >Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20041008105517.00a1b720@pop.earthlink.net> >Subject: Hanover Question >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >Recently I learned that my gr-gr-grandmother came from Oppershausen, >Hanover. >This information was written in an Lutheran church book for her 1867 >Chicago, Illinois >marriage. > >Oppershausen looks to be a village in present-day Thueringen. Is that >correct? > >If so, there appears to be a Rootsweb list called Deu-Thueringen. Does >anyone >know if there is another list as well that covers this area? > >Her husband, who was number two and not my direct ancestor, came from a >place that looks like "Puritz, Pompen" I probably do not have those words >right >as the script was not too clear in his case. Any ideas where and what >these >places were? > >Thanks, >Bart in Virginia > >______________________________ >X-Message: #2 >Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 19:54:05 +0100 >From: "Peter Antonio" <peter@antonio2.freeserve.co.uk> >To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <004701c4ad68$2fbd0fa0$455a4154@study> >Subject: Hesse-Nassau question >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > >I am searching for any information on the Antonio family from Nassau. I >have traced my gr. gr. gr. grandfather via census and marriage records and >believe his was born William Antonio in Nassau in 1839. He moved to >England, Liverpool and was married in 1866. He had 4 children and I have >been able to trace a direct line to myself. The only other information >that I have is from his marriage certificate which gives his father's name >as Conrad. Any information or help that anybody can give in tracing other >members of the Antonio family in Germany would be greatly appreciated. > >______________________________ >X-Message: #3 >Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 16:44:37 -0400 >From: Bart Hansen <kilmory@earthlink.net> >To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com >Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20041008163801.00a19710@pop.earthlink.net> >Subject: Hanover - Oppershausen >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >Thanks, Doris. I now see there are two Oppershausen and the one I want >is the one you indicate by Celle near Hanover. > >On my reference to Puritz, Pompen, did you actually locate this place in >Poland? The writing is probably by a German-born minister in Illinois. >As I said, the Pompen was my estimate, but I do not believe the p was >a double s, right? > >In the 1880 US census, this man declared himself to be from Prussia. I >am not sure what that meant since he had come to America in 1860. Might >"Pompen" have been part of Prussia in 1860? > >Thanks, >Bart

Many thanks to all those who have responded. On the "Puritz, Pompen" question, next week I am going in to my LDS library again and will take a digital photo of the church book entry and post it for folks to look at. Bart

Which Nassau are you looking for? 1, Germany, Preußen, Hessen-Nassau 2. Germany, Preußen, Hessen-Nassau, Nassau 3. Germany, Sachsen, Nassau 4. Germany, Württemberg, Nassau Where was his marriage certificate issued? -----Original Message----- From: Peter Antonio [mailto:peter@antonio2.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 11:54 AM To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Hesse-Nassau question I am searching for any information on the Antonio family from Nassau. I have traced my gr. gr. gr. grandfather via census and marriage records and believe his was born William Antonio in Nassau in 1839. He moved to England, Liverpool and was married in 1866. He had 4 children and I have been able to trace a direct line to myself. The only other information that I have is from his marriage certificate which gives his father's name as Conrad. Any information or help that anybody can give in tracing other members of the Antonio family in Germany would be greatly appreciated. ______________________________

I am searching for any information on the Antonio family from Nassau. I have traced my gr. gr. gr. grandfather via census and marriage records and believe his was born William Antonio in Nassau in 1839. He moved to England, Liverpool and was married in 1866. He had 4 children and I have been able to trace a direct line to myself. The only other information that I have is from his marriage certificate which gives his father's name as Conrad. Any information or help that anybody can give in tracing other members of the Antonio family in Germany would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Doris. I now see there are two Oppershausen and the one I want is the one you indicate by Celle near Hanover. On my reference to Puritz, Pompen, did you actually locate this place in Poland? The writing is probably by a German-born minister in Illinois. As I said, the Pompen was my estimate, but I do not believe the p was a double s, right? In the 1880 US census, this man declared himself to be from Prussia. I am not sure what that meant since he had come to America in 1860. Might "Pompen" have been part of Prussia in 1860? Thanks, Bart

Recently I learned that my gr-gr-grandmother came from Oppershausen, Hanover. This information was written in an Lutheran church book for her 1867 Chicago, Illinois marriage. Oppershausen looks to be a village in present-day Thueringen. Is that correct? If so, there appears to be a Rootsweb list called Deu-Thueringen. Does anyone know if there is another list as well that covers this area? Her husband, who was number two and not my direct ancestor, came from a place that looks like "Puritz, Pompen" I probably do not have those words right as the script was not too clear in his case. Any ideas where and what these places were? Thanks, Bart in Virginia

Information from g.grandfather's(1870) and his sister's(1874) marriage certificates: Their parents names: George Brunner and Eva Roth Naturalization Petition(1854): George Brunner(address within blocks of before mentioned certificates) Witnessed by George Schroeder(Schroeder applied on same day with Geo. Brunner as witness; also gave same address) Immigration records: George Schroeder immigrated from Liverpool to New York via ship, Manchester; with family: wife, Sophia, Daughter, Anna Marie; and son, George landing Sept, 1846. Ge. "Baumes" with wife, Eva; daughter Katherine; and son, Johann immigrated from Liverpool to New York via ship, Atlas to New York landing Sept. 1846. From LDS site: records from Evangilisch, Großzimmern, Starkenburg, Hessen: George Brunner married Eva Roth Oct 10, 1841. Recorded births: Female born Mar 25, 1842; Katherine B. March 26, 1843; Johann Christened Feb 8, 1846. George Schroeder married Sophia Wonderschmidt May 31, 1840. Recorded births: George christened April 15, 1845. Through Google search: United States had asked Germany in 1838 to stop emigrating paupers and criminals; Großzimmern created scandal by sending same to Liverpool then sending to United States in 1846; one of the ships mentioned was the Atlas. Would like to confirm families sent from Großzimmern in 1846 included the family of George and Eva Brunner. Does anyone know if any lists in existence?

Frances, The best way to determine relationship is to go to the Muhlheim church records. The church records have been microfilmed, and it is an easy process to get them. The available records are: Topic Germany, Hessen, Mühlheim - Church records Titles Kirchenbuch, 1650-1876 / Katholische Kirche Mühlheim (Kr. Offenbach) Kirchenbuchduplikat, 1812-1875 / Katholische Kirche Mühlheim (Kr. Offenbach) Carol -----Original Message----- From: Frances Ann Roth [mailto:froth@alum.mit.edu] Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 2:26 PM To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: ROTH (Franz, Elizabetha, Casper) from Hesse to USA in 1854 (This message has also been posted to the ROTH mailing list.) In 1854 my great grandfather Valentine ROTH emigrated from Mühlheim in Hesse-Darmstadt to Michigan with his parents George and Christina and his siblings Philip, Christina and Adam Joseph. I recently found the ship's record for these people, showing that they arrived in New York from London on the ship Victoria on 22 December 1854. I also found a surprise on that record - three other people, Franz, Elizabetha and Casper J. ROTH, who arrived on the same ship and are also listed as children of George and Christina. (I am not sure that is actually the relationship though, especially in Casper's case since he is listed out of order by age.) Since I know nothing about these people I would like to hear from anyone who has tracked people of these names back to Hesse-Darmstadt and thinks they might have a match to my new found relatives. The ages given in 1854 were: Franz 25, Elizabetha 23, Casper 17. Frances Roth ______________________________