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Hi Back in October, a kind soul sent me a large gedcom focused on EHRET, KOCH, and other names in Baden, Germany. I've had computer problems and lost the identity of the sender. This is an effort to located him or her . Happy New Year! Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks Governments want news hidden; everything else is publicity.

I am researching my paternal grandfather, Nicholas LOTZ who was born 10 December 1840 in Hesse-Kassel (per US Census Records) and died 30 May 1895 in New Sewickley Township, Beaver County, Pennsylvania, USA. I am seeking any information about his place of origin in Germany and his ancestry. The first definite record I have found that places him in the US is his marriage record: St. John's (Burry's) Evangelical Protestant Church New Sewickley TWP, Beaver County, PA. 9 December 1866 Nicholaus LOTZ of McKeesport, Allegheny Co., PA and Anna Margaretha ZAHN of New Sewickley TWP, Beaver Co., PA. Witness: Nicholaus ROSENBERGER & Johannes LOTZ Minister: E.F. Winter I think that perhaps Johannes LOTZ was Nicholaus' brother and there is a record for his marriage at the same church about a month later: Johannes LOTZ of McKeesport, Allegheny Co., PA and Catherine ROSENBERGER of New Sewickley TWP, Beaver Co., PA. Witness: Nicholi ROSENBERGER & Andreas ZAHN Minister: E.F. Winte Curiously, two other men named Nicholas LOTZ trace back to Seidenroth, Hessen, Germany. They both lived in New Sewickley TWP, Beaver Co., PA. The first.... In the 1850 Census for New Sewickley Township, Beaver Co., PA., there is a family listed as follows: Nicholas LUTZ, age 39, shoemaker, born in Germany Justina, age 32, born in Germany Catherine, age 12, born in "Atlantic Ocean" Mary, age 8, born in PA Margaret, age 5, born in PA NOTE: There is a marriage record for Nicholas LUTZ and Justina SCHUBENEL at Burry's Church (now St. John's United Evangelical Protestant Church) for 16 January 1848. Therefore, Justina is probably not the mother of the children listed with Nicholas in the 1850 census. The link to Seidenroth is contained in the passenger records for passengers arriving from Bremen at Baltimore, MD, USA on 3 September 1838, including: Nicolas LOTZ, last residence Seidenroth, occupation is shoemaker, age 27 Anna Magretha LOTZ, last residence Seidenroth, age 26 Anna Magretha HAUP, last residence Seidenroth, occupation is "old mother," age 60. The second.... Nicholas LOTZ found in Rochester Borough (adjacent to New Sewickley TWP), Beaver Co., PA, USA in the US Census for 1900, 1910, 1920, 1930. Although most census years, his birthplace and that of his parents is listed as Germany, the 1920 census lists his birthplace as Sidenwort, Germany. He was born in September 1867, immigrated in 1883 or 1885, and married a Pennsylvania woman. Aside from my primary question about the place of origin and ancestry of my Nicholas LOTZ, I am wondering if anyone can tell me for sure if Seidenroth was originally part of Hesse-Kassel. Thank you in advance for any assistance. Nancy Myers nancy.a.myers@worldnet.att.net

Hello! For those who have ancestors in Hattersheim am Main is this a little christmas present. The lost churchbook of this town was found. I read it today in the "Höchster Kreisblatt". Frohe Weihnachten Michael Geisler Dieser Fund ist eine kleine Sensation für St. Martinus und für die Stadt Ein Kirchenbuch aus dem Jahr 1666 Von Jöran Harders Hattersheim. «Für uns ist das ein ungeheuer wichtiger Fund. Die Sankt-Martinus-Gemeinde hat auf einen Schlag 20 Jahre Geschichte hinzugewonnen.» Ein ziemlich unscheinbares und nicht besonders dickes Buch mit grauem Einband ist der Grund dafür, dass Pfarrer Franz Lomberg ein ganz kleines bisschen ins Schwärmen gerät. Denn bei dem Band handelt es sich um ein Kirchenbuch aus dem Jahr 1666. In dem gut erhaltenen Manuskript sind Eheschließungen und Todesfälle in Hattersheim von 1667 bis 1692 verzeichnet, außerdem die Taufen der Jahre 1666 bis 1692 und 1695 bis 1698. Das Kirchenbuch schlummerte jahrzehntelang unerkannt im Freiburger Diözesanarchiv. Bis vor wenigen Monaten gingen Forscher davon aus, dass die ältesten schriftlichen Aufzeichnungen über die Sankt-Martinus-Gemeinde aus dem Jahr 1686 stammen. Dass das Buch im Freiburger Archiv erst jetzt mit Hattersheim in Verbindung gebracht wurde, hat einen einfachen Grund: «Im 17. Jahrhundert wurde Hattersheim auch als Heyteresheim, Heyderesheim oder Heidersheim bezeichnet. Solch eine Vielzahl von Schreibungen ist bei Eigennamen in dieser Zeit nicht ungewöhnlich, man hat es eben so geschrieben, wie man es gerade ausgesprochen hat», erläutert Stadtarchivar Wilfried Schwarz. So wurde das «Heydersheimer» Kirchenbuch der Gemeinde Heidersheim bei Freiburg zugeordnet – solange, bis ein Archivar das Manuskript in die Hand genommen hat und feststellte, dass Namen und Daten gar nicht zu diesem Ort passen. «Und dann hat man mal geguckt, wo das eher hingehört», sagt Pfarrer Lomberg, der das Buch kurze Zeit später aus Freiburg zugeschickt bekam. Bereits das Deckblatt gab den Mitarbeitern des Diözesanarchivs einen entscheidenden Hinweis auf die Herkunft des Buchs. Dort findet sich in der linken oberen Ecke eine kurze lateinische Notiz, die von einem «zerstörerischen Feuer in Kriftel im Jahr 1671» berichtet (siehe auch Seite 18). Das wertvolle Buch ist inzwischen sicher im Archiv in Limburg verwahrt und auf Mikrofilm kopiert worden. «Dadurch, dass natürlich alle Eintragungen handschriftlich und zum überwiegenden Teil auf lateinisch gemacht wurden, ist das Kirchenbuch nicht leicht zu lesen. Ich gehe aber davon aus, dass wir viele Dinge daraus erfahren, die wir bisher noch nicht wussten», meint Franz Lomberg. Beispielsweise sind in dem Manuskript die Namen vier seiner Vorgänger verzeichnet, die zwischen 1667 und 1686 in der Gemeinde beschäftigt waren, unter anderem der des Pfarrers Wilhelm Theodor Trost, der von 1668 bis 1678 im Amt war. «Zu jener Zeit war die Hattersheimer Gemeinde eine Filialkirche von Kriftel», erläutert der Krifteler Archivar Wilfried Kremenz. Für beide Orte sei daher ein Pfarrer zuständig gewesen. Das erkläre auch, warum Pfarrer Trost den Brand in Kriftel auch im Hattersheimer Kirchenbuch vermerkt habe. Nicht nur für die Kirchengemeinde, sondern auch für die Stadt ist der Fund eine kleine Sensation. «Die im Kirchenbuch verzeichneten Familiennamen sind für die Stadtgeschichte immens wichtig», erklärt Wilfried Schwarz. Auch wenn ihm bei einer kurzen Begutachtung des Buches «die Namen erstmal unbekannt» waren, hofft der Archivar, dass das Buch Aufschluss darüber gibt, welche Berufe in der zweiten Hälfte des 17. Jahrhunderts in Hattersheim verbreitet waren. «Im Zusammenhang mit dem Posthof muss es hier viele Wagner oder Schmiede gegeben haben. Die früheste Statistik darüber stammt aber aus dem 18. Jahrhundert. Das Kirchenbuch könnte uns zeigen, wie die Stadt in den Jahrzehnten davor gesellschaftlich strukturiert war und ob es in dieser Zeit so etwas wie eine kontinuierliche Bevölkerungsentwicklung gegeben hat», so Schwarz. Auf einen Zufall wie den Freiburger Fund wagt sein Krifteler Kollege Wilfried Kremenz nicht zu hoffen: «Unserer Gemeinde fehlt ein Kirchenbuch für die Zeit von 1724 bis 1780. Das ist vermutlich für immer verschollen.»

----- Original Message ----- From: "M. & M. Geisler" <m-m-geisler@t-online.de> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 1:14 AM Subject: [HESSE] Hattersheim > Hello! > > For those who have ancestors in Hattersheim am Main is this a little > christmas present. The lost churchbook of this town was found. I read it > today in the "Höchster Kreisblatt". > > Frohe Weihnachten > > Michael Geisler > English translation This find is a small sensation for pc. Martinus and for the city a church book from the year 1666 of Joeran Harders Hattersheim. "for us that is a tremendously important find. The sink Martinus municipality gained at one blow 20 years history." A rather inconspicuous and not particularly thick book with grey cover is the reason for the fact that minister Franz Lomberg a completely small little turns out in swarms. Because with the volume it concerns a church book out of the year 1666. In the well received manuscript marriage ceremonies and deaths in Hattersheim from 1667 to 1692 are registered, in addition the baptism of the years 1666 to 1692 and 1695 to 1698. The church book schlummerte unidentified for many decades in the Freiburger Dioezesanarchiv. Until few months ago researchers assumed the oldest written recordings originate over the sink Martinus municipality from the year 1686. The fact that the book was brought only now in the Freiburger archives with Hattersheim in connection has a simple reason: "in 17. Century was called Hattersheim also Heyteresheim, Heyderesheim or Heidersheim. Such a multiplicity of postings is not unusual with names in this time, one has it wrote evenly in such a way, like one it straight expressed ", describes city archivist Wilfried black. Thus the "Heydersheimer" church book was assigned to the municipality Heidersheim with Freiburg - until an archivist took and tightened the manuscript into the hand that names and data do not fit this place at all. "and then one looked times, where that says rather belonged", minister Lomberg, which got the book short time later from Freiburg dispatched. Already the first page gave a crucial reference to the origin of the book to the coworkers of the Dioezesanarchivs. There short latin is a note in the left upper corner, which of a "destructive fire in Kriftel in the year 1671" reported (see also page 18). The valuable book was kept surely in the meantime in archives in Limburg and copied on microfilm. "by it that naturally all entries were made on Latin handwritten and the predominant part, is not easy the church book to read. I assume however we experience many things from it, which we did not know, mean so far yet "Franz Lomberg. For example the names four its predecessor are registered, which were busy between 1667 and 1686 in the municipality, among other things that of the minister William Theodor comfort in the manuscript, which was from 1668 to 1678 in the office. "at that time the Hattersheimer municipality was a branch church of Kriftel", describes the Krifteler archivist Wilfried Kremenz. For both places therefore a minister was responsible. That explains also, why minister comfort noted the fire in Kriftel also in the Hattersheimer church book. Not only for the church municipality, but also for the city the find is a small sensation. "the surnames registered in the church book are immensely important for the urban history", explain Wilfried black. Even if with a short investigation of the book "the names were first times unknown to it", the archivist that the book gives information on it, hopes which occupations in the second half 17. Century were common in Hattersheim. "in connection with the post office yard it must have given many wagner or schmiede here. The earliest statistics over it originates however from that 18. Century. The church book could show us, like the city in the decades before it it was socially structured and whether it gave such a thing in this time like a continuous population trend ", so black. For a coincidence like the Freiburger find does not dare to hope his Krifteler colleague Wilfried Kremenz: to "a church book is missing our municipality for the time of 1724 to 1780. That is probably always verschollen." ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. & M. Geisler" <m-m-geisler@t-online.de> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 1:14 AM Subject: [HESSE] Hattersheim > Hello! > > For those who have ancestors in Hattersheim am Main is this a little > christmas present. The lost churchbook of this town was found. I read it > today in the "Höchster Kreisblatt". > > Frohe Weihnachten > > Michael Geisler > > > > Dieser Fund ist eine kleine Sensation für St. Martinus und für die Stadt > Ein Kirchenbuch aus dem Jahr 1666 > Von Jöran Harders > Hattersheim. «Für uns ist das ein ungeheuer wichtiger Fund. Die > Sankt-Martinus-Gemeinde hat auf einen Schlag 20 Jahre Geschichte > hinzugewonnen.» Ein ziemlich unscheinbares und nicht besonders dickes Buch > mit grauem Einband ist der Grund dafür, dass Pfarrer Franz Lomberg ein ganz > kleines bisschen ins Schwärmen gerät. Denn bei dem Band handelt es sich um > ein Kirchenbuch aus dem Jahr 1666. In dem gut erhaltenen Manuskript sind > Eheschließungen und Todesfälle in Hattersheim von 1667 bis 1692 verzeichnet, > außerdem die Taufen der Jahre 1666 bis 1692 und 1695 bis 1698. Das > Kirchenbuch schlummerte jahrzehntelang unerkannt im Freiburger > Diözesanarchiv. Bis vor wenigen Monaten gingen Forscher davon aus, dass die > ältesten schriftlichen Aufzeichnungen über die Sankt-Martinus-Gemeinde aus > dem Jahr 1686 stammen. > Dass das Buch im Freiburger Archiv erst jetzt mit Hattersheim in Verbindung > gebracht wurde, hat einen einfachen Grund: «Im 17. Jahrhundert wurde > Hattersheim auch als Heyteresheim, Heyderesheim oder Heidersheim bezeichnet. > Solch eine Vielzahl von Schreibungen ist bei Eigennamen in dieser Zeit nicht > ungewöhnlich, man hat es eben so geschrieben, wie man es gerade > ausgesprochen hat», erläutert Stadtarchivar Wilfried Schwarz. So wurde das > «Heydersheimer» Kirchenbuch der Gemeinde Heidersheim bei Freiburg > zugeordnet – solange, bis ein Archivar das Manuskript in die Hand genommen > hat und feststellte, dass Namen und Daten gar nicht zu diesem Ort passen. > «Und dann hat man mal geguckt, wo das eher hingehört», sagt Pfarrer Lomberg, > der das Buch kurze Zeit später aus Freiburg zugeschickt bekam. > Bereits das Deckblatt gab den Mitarbeitern des Diözesanarchivs einen > entscheidenden Hinweis auf die Herkunft des Buchs. Dort findet sich in der > linken oberen Ecke eine kurze lateinische Notiz, die von einem > «zerstörerischen Feuer in Kriftel im Jahr 1671» berichtet (siehe auch Seite > 18). Das wertvolle Buch ist inzwischen sicher im Archiv in Limburg verwahrt > und auf Mikrofilm kopiert worden. «Dadurch, dass natürlich alle Eintragungen > handschriftlich und zum überwiegenden Teil auf lateinisch gemacht wurden, > ist das Kirchenbuch nicht leicht zu lesen. Ich gehe aber davon aus, dass wir > viele Dinge daraus erfahren, die wir bisher noch nicht wussten», meint Franz > Lomberg. Beispielsweise sind in dem Manuskript die Namen vier seiner > Vorgänger verzeichnet, die zwischen 1667 und 1686 in der Gemeinde > beschäftigt waren, unter anderem der des Pfarrers Wilhelm Theodor Trost, der > von 1668 bis 1678 im Amt war. «Zu jener Zeit war die Hattersheimer Gemeinde > eine Filialkirche von Kriftel», erläutert der Krifteler Archivar Wilfried > Kremenz. Für beide Orte sei daher ein Pfarrer zuständig gewesen. Das erkläre > auch, warum Pfarrer Trost den Brand in Kriftel auch im Hattersheimer > Kirchenbuch vermerkt habe. > Nicht nur für die Kirchengemeinde, sondern auch für die Stadt ist der Fund > eine kleine Sensation. «Die im Kirchenbuch verzeichneten Familiennamen sind > für die Stadtgeschichte immens wichtig», erklärt Wilfried Schwarz. Auch wenn > ihm bei einer kurzen Begutachtung des Buches «die Namen erstmal unbekannt» > waren, hofft der Archivar, dass das Buch Aufschluss darüber gibt, welche > Berufe in der zweiten Hälfte des 17. Jahrhunderts in Hattersheim verbreitet > waren. > «Im Zusammenhang mit dem Posthof muss es hier viele Wagner oder Schmiede > gegeben haben. Die früheste Statistik darüber stammt aber aus dem 18. > Jahrhundert. Das Kirchenbuch könnte uns zeigen, wie die Stadt in den > Jahrzehnten davor gesellschaftlich strukturiert war und ob es in dieser Zeit > so etwas wie eine kontinuierliche Bevölkerungsentwicklung gegeben hat», so > Schwarz. > Auf einen Zufall wie den Freiburger Fund wagt sein Krifteler Kollege > Wilfried Kremenz nicht zu hoffen: «Unserer Gemeinde fehlt ein Kirchenbuch > für die Zeit von 1724 bis 1780. Das ist vermutlich für immer verschollen.» > > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Postal Codes, How to Pay for Research, German Language > Letters, Archive Addresses, German Telephone directory, > http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm > >

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 15:02:50 -0800 Joseph E Wolfe <joeedwolfe@juno.com> writes: > > I would like to find a good reliable genealogist in Hessen to do > some research for me > > on amembers of my family who lived in Kettenheim.according to > Professor Werner Hacker > > in 18th century Register of Emigrants from Southern Germany my > ancestor > > Johann Peter Goch/Gotz wife and 4 children emigrated from > Kettenheim/Alzey to America in 1744 source Book X Auswanderung > aus der Pheinpl,fax und dem Saarland ..they came to Lancaster Penna > ...I believe Johann Peter Gotz's wife died on the ship coming > > over > > > This week in Salt Lake I looked again at the film for Kettenheim > (which is included in > > the Alzey film) but could not find anything on them although I did > find a Johann Peter > > Goetz born about 1703....the records for Kettenheim seem to be > missing fo the years > > I heed...Johann Peter's sohn Johann Jacob born c. 1730 is my > ancestor and he had > > two brothers that I know of Johannes and Philip. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated and I am most willing to pay a > researcher to find > > out any information and make sense of the Alzey microfilm. > > thank You. > > Joseph E Wolfe > joeedwolfe @ juno.com

Ed Maul schrieb: > Anyone know where this castle is and anything about its occupants over the years? > Appreciate all help. > > Edmund There is a "Schloss Heiligenberg" in Hesse too: on the "Bergstraße" (strata monata) in Jugenheim, now part of Seeheim-Jugenheim. It was founded in 1264 by Konrad von Bickenbach and his wife Guta von Falkenstein as an abbey. Ernst-Peter Winter

I am looking for information Henry and Julia Helwig Kraus who lived in the Hessen area of Germany. They had four known children: Conrad dob ~1824, Henry dob 31 July 1825 dod 16 October 1896, William G dob 1832 dod 1888, George dob ~1835 and Susannah dob ? The children emigrated to the USA approximately 1849 and all four brothers as far as I know came to Tamaqua, Schuykill County, Pennsylvania. I have much of the information on Henry and Anna Catherine Blumenstein (his wife). They were my gr-gr-grandparents, and are buried here in Sullivan County, Pennsylvania. I am most interested in the parent's, Henry and Julia Kraus. When they were born, where they lived, and any other family information. I do have information listed in an old Sullivan County history book of 1899, that states that Henry Kraus (senior) had served in the Army for several years and continued later in the butchering business. Thank you Mike Krause, Dushore, Sullivan County, Pennsylvania

Edmund, It is easy to find. Search for Heiligenbeg in Google. You will get the URL of the homepage of Heiligenberg: http://www.heiligenberg.de Heiligenberg is situated at the Bodensee. That is in South-West Germany near the Swiss border. The homepage is in German only. I clicked through an I found that they have a local history society. The address is: Verein für Heimatgeschichte und Brauchtumspflege e.V. Karl Mark Unterrehna 7 88633 Heiligenberg I think Karl Mark is the right person who can help you! Regards from Hessen Karl -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Ed Maul [mailto:edmaul@optonline.net] Gesendet: Montag, 6. Dezember 2004 14:40 An: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com Betreff: [HESSE] Schloss Heiligenberg Anyone know where this castle is and anything about its occupants over the years? Appreciate all help. Edmund http://members.tripod.com/~Silvie/Schilling.html ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== Looking for old messages? http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/HESSE.html Search or Browse

Anyone know where this castle is and anything about its occupants over the years? Appreciate all help. Edmund http://members.tripod.com/~Silvie/Schilling.html

Leslie I would try a Dutch list to see if you can get a different spelling. Tried different spellings and could not find him on a passenger list. I found him and his family in St. Louis in 1910. Elizabeth and family in 1920 & 1930. Her sister Mary Koch is living with her Jacob was naturalized. His papers should be in St. Louis, also a death certificate. He said he came in 1880. Elizabeth came in 1881. On the 1920 census she said she was naturalized. If you do not already have this information I can give you more from the census. They were probably married in St. Louis. All children were born in MO. I found one reseacher. Will give his name direct to you if you want. He said the name was Morsingkopf. I also tried that spelling. Carlene

Dear List, I have been trying to trace a Catholic family who claim to have emigrated from Aachen in 1881 (but I think the date may be off). The husband was Jacob Mossinghoff (1851-1915), from Holland, according to the family story. The wife was Elizabeth Anna Koch (1862-1952), maybe from Essen. Which list(s) should I try? I've apparently gotten the wrong ones so far. Any help is appreciated. Leslie

I recently discovered that my great grandfather Nicolaus Schnell was born in Giesel Germany in 1833. His father's name was Matthius Schnell from Giesel and his mother was Elisabeth (Jordan) from Klienlutter (a small town about 4km from Giesel). Does anyone have any family connections from Giesel that include Matthius and Elizabeth ? Thanks, Bob Schnell

Hallo Listenteilnehmer, anbei eine Anfrage von Pat Jones. Wer helfen kann bitte Antwort auch direkt an Pat Jones, E-Mail: busymom8949@hotmail.com, da nicht Teilnehmer der Liste. MfG Andreas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Jones" <busymom8949@hotmail.com> To: <a.meininger@freenet.de> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 12:02 AM Subject: Re: family Kolb, Henning,and Spahn > Thank you for your information.Here is more of what I've been able to learn. > My great great grandparents were Johann Peter and Katharina nee' Henning > Kolb of Hohenzell,Hesse. One of their son's was my great-grandfather > Heinrich Kolb born 17.2.1843 in Hohenzell. > In the 1800's he and four other brothers emigrated to the US. > One of the two sons that stayed in Germany Johann Nikolaus Kolb b. > 26.12.1827 married in Hohenzell 21.5.1866 Anna Margartha Heil b.1.12.1837 > in Breunings. > Their children were: Nikolaus, b. 26.3.1869 married in Hohenzell 26.3.1894 > to Gertraude Schmidt b. 19.3.1866 in Billings; Elizabeth, Katharina, Adam, > Anna Margaretha, Heinrich and Johann b.20.2.1876 m. Hohenzell 21.9.1902 > Maria Hillenbrand b. 2.6.1876 in Kerpel/Frankfurt. > > The sister of my greatgrandfather was Anna Katharina Kolb Spahn b.7.3.1837 > d.24.11.1837 m. in Hohenzell 17.4.1865 to Nikolaus Spahn b. 18.10.1835 in > Hohenzell. Their children were Katharina,Johann Adam, Maria, Nikolaus, and > Elizabeth Spahn.All born in Hohenzell. > > The other son Philipp Kolb b.7.12.1839 married Margaretha Roth in Hohenzell > 23.4.1865. Their children were son Adam that m. Katharina Diehl 31.12.1892 > in Kirchditmold; Anna Margaretha,Dorotha, Johann,and son Gorge that m. in > Damm Aschaffenburg 13.6.1899 to Maria Hock; and daughter Maria that m. Karl > Peter in Iber 3.4.1897. > Recently I was able to find/meet two relatives from Philipp's son's Adam and > George of my Kolb family that did not know each other. One in Weisbaden and > the other in Neu-Isenburg near Frankfurt am M. > But still I would like very much to find anyother family members that may > want to keep in touch/contact with me here in the states. > > I appreciate any help you can give me by passing on this information. > > Thank you so much. > Kind Regards, > pat >

Hi: Is or has anyone come across this name Keisel in their research. I am trying to find the parents of Jacob born about 1850 and Magdalena Keisel born about 1845. They resided in Orleans Parish, LA. I cannot find anything on this last name. Does anyone know where it originates from (what part of Germany)? -- Thanks a bunch, Tami Johnston-Parise New Orleans, LA Researching: JOHNSTON/HOFFMANN/STEINDBINDER/WEISHEIMER/SPROUL/ KEISEL/SHERWOOD/HOERNER/ZWEIFEL/DOCLAR/USNER/ FERNANDEZ/MCDERMOTT

Hi, your interpretation - that there might have been disagreements about suicide or not - makes sense to me. But of course, you can't know for sure. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: <anitagriffith@canada.com> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 6:17 PM Subject: [HESSE] royal consistory question > Hi - I have an ancestor who died by drowning and was > given a Christian burial 6 days later by order of the > royal consistory. I've learned that a consistory is a > committee that makes decisions. > > I am wondering if this means there was a question of > whether he drowned accidentally or committed suicide, > where suicide would not allow him a Christian burial. > But since he was given a Christian burial, the > consistory decided it was accidental death. > > The church is Lutheran, in the village of > Niedergemünden in 1734. He was 77 years old. > > I've included the translation in German and English in > case that gives any clues: > Conrad Wehrwein, den 28. December im Wasser rtrunken, > alt 77 Jahr, 5 Monat,8 Tag, und den 3. Jan. auff Befehl > des hochfürst(lichen) Consistorii mit > christl. Ceremonien ehrelich begraben worden." = Conrad > Wehrwein, drowned in water on December 28 at age 77 > years, 5 months, and 8 days, was lawfully buried on > January 3 with Christian(?) [ ] by order of the royal > consistory. > > thanks, Anita > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Postal Codes, How to Pay for Research, German Language > Letters, Archive Addresses, German Telephone directory, > http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm > >

Hi - I have an ancestor who died by drowning and was given a Christian burial 6 days later by order of the royal consistory. I've learned that a consistory is a committee that makes decisions. I am wondering if this means there was a question of whether he drowned accidentally or committed suicide, where suicide would not allow him a Christian burial. But since he was given a Christian burial, the consistory decided it was accidental death. The church is Lutheran, in the village of Niedergemünden in 1734. He was 77 years old. I've included the translation in German and English in case that gives any clues: Conrad Wehrwein, den 28. December im Wasser rtrunken, alt 77 Jahr, 5 Monat,8 Tag, und den 3. Jan. auff Befehl des hochfürst(lichen) Consistorii mit christl. Ceremonien ehrelich begraben worden." = Conrad Wehrwein, drowned in water on December 28 at age 77 years, 5 months, and 8 days, was lawfully buried on January 3 with Christian(?) [ ] by order of the royal consistory. thanks, Anita

For the "non-German speaking dolts" this is a list of the CDs available from the Family History Library . Go to www.familysearch.com and click on Products and Downloads, I think is the heading. You will get a complete list of the research aids available from the Library. Except for the Pedigree files, I highly reccommend these CDs. I have personally purchased all of them. The Vital Records of Western Europe, helped me find my great-grandfathers family in Germany and another 18th century ancestor, however, eventhough I volunteered to do look-up for subscribers to one of my German surname mail lists, I never found another soul in this set CDs. The Pedigree Files are submissions by individuals. some are probably accurate and others are not, you can find most of the same information on World Connect at RootsWeb for free. Marleen Van Horne

This looks very interesting. Possibly someone can translate for us non German literate dolts. It appears Andreas has done a lot of work on this. Likely it is available in English from Salt Lake City. In particular, I was unclear about the prices or if it was a price for the entire set.???? Many thanks Charles Severs In a message dated 11/22/04 5:47:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, a.meininger@freenet.de writes: Hallo Listenteilnehmer, auf dem 56. Genealogentag in Leonberg habe ich ein Bestellformular für CD-ROM´s der KIRCHE JESU CHRISTI DER HEILIGEN DER LETZTEN TAGE (Mormonen) mitgenommen. Nachfolgend die Liste (ohne Gewähr) mit Bestellmöglichkeit bei DISTRIBUTION CENTER FRANKFURT Steinmühlstrasse 16 D-61352 Bad Homburg (Ober-Erlenbach) Tel +49 - (0)6172 - 492 885 Fax +49 - (0)6172 - 492 880 GERMANY Bestellung CD-ROM xxxxx 150 Deutsch Artikel-Nr.; Beschreibung; Preis in EUR 30992 000; Personal Ancestral File Macintosh. Version 2.3.1 Disk or CD English; 15,40 50029 000; Vital Records Index: North America. CD-ROM; 20.80 50081 000; Family History Library Catalog. CD-ROM English April 2002; 7,70 50095 000; Vital Records Index: Australia. CD-ROM. English; 13,80 50096 000; 1851 British Census. CD-ROM English (3 counties only); 9,25 50108 000; Vital Records Index: Scandinavia. CD-ROM (7/01) English; 25,40 50120 000; Freedman's Bank Records. CD-ROM; 10 50126 000; Vital Records Index: British Isles. (Second edition) CD-ROM English; 30,80 50128 000; Personal Ancestral File Companion 5.1 CD-ROM; 20,80 50145 000; Vital Records Index: Western Europe. CD-ROM English; 41,60 50163 000; Vital Records Index: Middle America - Mexico. CD-ROM; 15,40 50168 000; 1880 U.S. Census and National Index. CD-ROM. English: 75,45 50169 000; 1881 British Census with National Index. CD-ROM English; 39,30 50174 000; Mormon Immigration Index. CD-ROM; 9,25 50179 000; 1881 Canadian Census. CD-ROM; 16,90 50250 000; Pedigree Resource File. CD-ROM Set l, discs 1-5 and Index; 30,80 50251 000; Pedigree Resource File. CD-ROM Set 2, discs 6-10 and Index; 30,80 50252 000; Pedigree Resource File. CD-ROM Set 3, discs 11-15 and Index; 30,80 50253 000; Pedigree Resource File. CD-ROM Set 4, discs 16-20 and Index; 30,80 50254 000; Pedigree Resource File. CD-ROM Set 5, discs 21 -25 and Index; 30,80 50255 000; Pedigree Resource File. CD-ROM Volume 1, sets 1-25 and Index; 97,00 50256 000; Pedigree Resource File. CD-ROM Set 6, discs 26-30 and Index; 30,80 50257 000; Pedigree Resource File. CD-ROM Set 7, discs 31-35 and Index; 30,80 50258 000; Pedigree Resource File. CD-ROM Set 8, discs 36-40 and Index; 30,80 50259 000; Pedigree Resource File. CD-ROM Set 9, discs 41-45 and Index; 30,80 50260 000; Pedigree Resource File. CD-ROM Set 10, discs 46-50 and Index; 30,80 50261 000; Pedigree Resource File. CD-ROM Volume 2, sets 26-50 and Index; 97,00 50262 000; Pedigree Resource File. CD-ROM Set 11, discs 51-55 and Index; 30,80 50263 000; Pedigree Resource File. CD-ROM Set 12, discs 56-60 and Index; 30,80 50264 000; Pedigree Resource File. CD-ROM Set 13, discs 61-65 and Index; 30,80 50343 000; Resource File Viewer 4.0 CD-ROM (included in census, vital records); 10,00 77062 000; Personal Ancestral File 4.0.4 CD-ROM English, Spanish, French, German, Portuguese; 9,25 77064 000; Personal Ancestral File 5.2 CD English, Swedish, German, Chinese, Japanese, Korean; 9,25 Lieferung erfolg bei Verfügbarkeit der Artikel! Zahlung erbeten mit Kreditkarte (nicht American Express) Versandkosten: EURO 10.- Nr. der Kreditkarte: Gültig bis: Ich hoffe das ich alles richtig abgetippt bzw. gescannt habe. Ich bin nicht der Anbieter! Von Rückfragen bitte ich abzusehen. MfG Andreas

Duane, Available years in the projekt "Link to your Roots" are only the years 1890 to 1906. Horst Rosenstock in Germany