My understanding is that the "Reformed Church" was a version of Protestantism that was influenced by John Calvin. During the 19th century the government tried to force the traditional Lutheran church into a union with this "Reformed church" - creating a "state church", which I believe was referred to in church records as "Evangelisch". Many Lutherans did not like this forced union, and rebelled. They often worshipped separately as "Old Lutherans", and many immigrated to America. Many immigrated to Wisconsin. If I recall correctly, there was some persecution of them during Bismarck's era. I'm not sure to what extent Hesse was impacted by this, but would love to know more. Sincerely, Katherine

Good evening, your answer is perhaps correct for a very small church part. But everything is wrong. The first protestant priest after having been catholic before was Martin Lutzer. Of course protestant churches have their priest - Pfarrer in Germany. Best luck Hans Hartmut Schuessler Diplom Ingenieur + Familiengeschichtsforscher (Hobby Forscher) Sudetenstrasse 22 D-65239 Hochheim am Main Familienarchive Schuessler und Veerhoff Familienarchive Staehler und Wurmbach 06146 - 4183 0172 - 8032648 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Battenfield" <bobbattenfield@sbcglobal.net> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Re: HESSE-D Digest V05 #30 REFORMED RELIGION >I am surprised at the number of people who don't know what Reformed means >in > the history of the church. It was the Reformation -- the religious > revolution of the 16th Century which divided the church in Europe and > England into two bodies -- Protestant and Roman Catholic. Reformed > churches > believe in the priesthood of believers, that the common man can read the > Bible for himself and not need a priest, that you are saved by faith not > by > works, etc. > Bob Battenfield > La Mesa, California > > On 2/10/05 1:48 AM, "Peter Strauss" <pstrauss@aapt.net.au> wrote: > >> There is a Dutch Reformed Church in South Africa which was very much part >> of >> the Afrikaner Aparthied philosophy. >> >> Africaners were mainly descendents of the Dutch settlers together with >> German and French colonists. >> >> I am not sure as to what the "Reform" actually was. >> >> Peter >> >> Melbourne >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com> >> To: <HESSE-D@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 6:00 PM >> Subject: HESSE-D Digest V05 #30 >> >> >> ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== >> Postal Codes, How to Pay for Research, German Language >> Letters, Archive Addresses, German Telephone directory, >> http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm >> > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Don't overlook the Hesse mailing list taglines at the > bottom of each list E-Mail you receive. Valuable infor- > mation is presented there! >

Correction: Martin Luther not Martin Lutzer. Dorene in MO --- hans schuessler <hans.schuessler@main-rheiner.de> wrote: > Good evening, > your answer is perhaps correct for a very small > church part. > But everything is wrong. > The first protestant priest after having been > catholic before was Martin > Lutzer. Of course protestant churches have their > priest - Pfarrer in > Germany. > Best luck > Hans Hartmut Schuessler > Diplom Ingenieur + Familiengeschichtsforscher (Hobby > Forscher) > Sudetenstrasse 22 > D-65239 Hochheim am Main > Familienarchive Schuessler und Veerhoff > Familienarchive Staehler und Wurmbach > 06146 - 4183 0172 - 8032648 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Battenfield" > <bobbattenfield@sbcglobal.net> > To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 5:53 PM > Subject: Re: [HESSE] Re: HESSE-D Digest V05 #30 > REFORMED RELIGION > > > >I am surprised at the number of people who don't > know what Reformed means > >in > > the history of the church. It was the Reformation > -- the religious > > revolution of the 16th Century which divided the > church in Europe and > > England into two bodies -- Protestant and Roman > Catholic. Reformed > > churches > > believe in the priesthood of believers, that the > common man can read the > > Bible for himself and not need a priest, that you > are saved by faith not > > by > > works, etc. > > Bob Battenfield > > La Mesa, California > > > > On 2/10/05 1:48 AM, "Peter Strauss" > <pstrauss@aapt.net.au> wrote: > > > >> There is a Dutch Reformed Church in South Africa > which was very much part > >> of > >> the Afrikaner Aparthied philosophy. > >> > >> Africaners were mainly descendents of the Dutch > settlers together with > >> German and French colonists. > >> > >> I am not sure as to what the "Reform" actually > was. > >> > >> Peter > >> > >> Melbourne > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: <HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com> > >> To: <HESSE-D@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 6:00 PM > >> Subject: HESSE-D Digest V05 #30 > >> > >> > >> ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > >> Postal Codes, How to Pay for Research, German > Language > >> Letters, Archive Addresses, German Telephone > directory, > >> http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm > >> > > > > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > > Don't overlook the Hesse mailing list taglines at > the > > bottom of each list E-Mail you receive. Valuable > infor- > > mation is presented there! > > > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Postal Codes, How to Pay for Research, German > Language > Letters, Archive Addresses, German Telephone > directory, > http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

I am surprised at the number of people who don't know what Reformed means in the history of the church. It was the Reformation -- the religious revolution of the 16th Century which divided the church in Europe and England into two bodies -- Protestant and Roman Catholic. Reformed churches believe in the priesthood of believers, that the common man can read the Bible for himself and not need a priest, that you are saved by faith not by works, etc. Bob Battenfield La Mesa, California On 2/10/05 1:48 AM, "Peter Strauss" <pstrauss@aapt.net.au> wrote: > There is a Dutch Reformed Church in South Africa which was very much part of > the Afrikaner Aparthied philosophy. > > Africaners were mainly descendents of the Dutch settlers together with > German and French colonists. > > I am not sure as to what the "Reform" actually was. > > Peter > > Melbourne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <HESSE-D@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 6:00 PM > Subject: HESSE-D Digest V05 #30 > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Postal Codes, How to Pay for Research, German Language > Letters, Archive Addresses, German Telephone directory, > http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm >

I am pleased to see a clarification on the religions in Germany. I have seen reference in my family lines to a Dutch Reformed Church, though the members were of German descent. Is this another name for German Reformed, or is there a difference? Vanette in Missouri

Anita, Those affiliated with the German Reformed Church were followers of the Swiss reformer, John Calvin. Those affiliated with the Lutheran Church were followers of the German reformer, Martin Luther. In Germany these two Protestant denominations are sometimes lumped together and called Evangelicals to distinguish them from the Roman Catholics. Rev. Nelson R. Sulouff ----- Original Message ----- From: anitagriffith@canada.com To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 11:19 AM Subject: [HESSE] reformed religion HI - I have a record from Eulersdorf, Hesse Darmstadt which states the mother is of/from the "reformed religion". The records are of a Lutheran church, as far as I can tell. What does "reformed religion" mean? The mother is from another village (maybe Hattenrod?). Thanks, Anita

HI - I have a record from Eulersdorf, Hesse Darmstadt which states the mother is of/from the "reformed religion". The records are of a Lutheran church, as far as I can tell. What does "reformed religion" mean? The mother is from another village (maybe Hattenrod?). Thanks, Anita

Hi, I got the following mail from someone who has relatives in Waldeck: "To my knowledge these names in brackets refer to house names. My relatives in Waldeck told me that these names refer to the first owner of the house (or farm). Sometimes the house name was also attached to the surname of the current owner, e. g. "Hermann BECKER vulgo PAGGELS". In the villages of my ancestors the old house names are still used nowadays to be able to differentiate between common surnames." Did I tell you that the surname BECKER originates from the profession baker? Diether

Hi All I am searching for the birth/baptism of Johann (John) Adam Siebert who was born around 1819 in Cassel. According to his marriage certificate his father was Louis Siebert, a Farmer. He moved to England and the first record that has been found on any official document was his marriage in 1846 where he was living at St. George's Street, he married at St. George's Church. He then appears on the Census of 1851 at his home and bakers shop in Bethnal Green.  Trade directories show he moved to Broad Street, Ratcliffe in 1855-6.  I have checked the IGI but with no luck and wondered if anyone could provide any assistance with finding the birth/baptism or suggest where I may find such records. Regards Dave (UK Derby)

Hi Alan, unfortunately Germany is not that small to have all ZIPs on one list. Here is a URL that may be helpful: http://www.deutschepost.de/postdirekt/index.html?inhalt=/postdirekt/produkte/plzsuche.html There may be more than one ZIP for Biebrich related to the street you would like to write to but try 65203 Wiesbaden. The post office will probably forward it to the right place. Regards, Achim

Hello, most (may be all) of Biebrich is 65203. There is an online search at www.post.de but no online map (but Deutsche Post sells printed maps). Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: <Trains75buff@aol.com> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 1:58 AM Subject: [HESSE] Wiesbaden Postal Codes > Hello Listers, can someone tell me a place that I can download a map of > postal codes for Wiesbaden? I am looking to find Biebrich, currently a part of > Wiesbaden . > Thank you, Alan Rossing, Monterey, California, USA > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Don't overlook the Hesse mailing list taglines at the > bottom of each list E-Mail you receive. Valuable infor- > mation is presented there! > >

Katherine and Kay, here is what I found about the origin of the name PAG(G)ELS: The origin is the given name PAUL. It changed via PAWEL to PAGEL. The "S" at the end is a genitive (son of). The name Pagels (or variants) is not listed in the address book of Magdeburg from 1817. Diether > From: KurtKathKels@aol.com [mailto:KurtKathKels@aol.com] > > Dear Kay and list, > > I would be interested in the answer to Kay's question also. I have PAGELS > ancestors, but from the Magdeburg, Saxony-Anhalt area. > > Sincerely, > Katherine

Hi Ruth, Well, his family settled in the Midwest, in Iowa, and we do have raccoons here, so your theory could be correct, but I feel pretty sure that "Coon" was just a nickname for "Conrad". Phyllis > > When I was growing up my friend Conrad was always called Mickey. Coon is > also used in the south to be short for raccoon. Maybe he shot a lot of coons > when he was younger and got the nickname Coon from that. This is one of those > fun mysteries. > > Ruth Cherecwich > > In a message dated 1/27/2005 6:46:11 PM Mountain Standard Time, > caspritz@gmx.de writes: > > An American nickname for Conrad, > I send this over the list because it may be interesting to other members. > > Thank you jjarm222 > > Diether > Schwalbach, Hessen > > -----Original Message----- > From: jjarm222 [mailto:jjarm222@revealed.net] > > My great uncle was born in Iowa in 1857........his parents in 1856 had > immigrated from Germany. His name was Conrad, but was always known to > everyone as "Uncle Coon". Hope this helps. > > > > > > > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Don't overlook the Hesse mailing list taglines at the > bottom of each list E-Mail you receive. Valuable infor- > mation is presented there! > > >

Hello Listers, can someone tell me a place that I can download a map of postal codes for Wiesbaden? I am looking to find Biebrich, currently a part of Wiesbaden . Thank you, Alan Rossing, Monterey, California, USA

Folks, I am sure that there are PAGELS in Ostfriesland as well. Russ

Kay, The word Paggels is not a German word. If you send the whole line, I might be able to figure out what it means. Diether from Hessen, Germany > From: KAinfranco@aol.com [mailto:KAinfranco@aol.com] > Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 9:08 PM > > I have the book that compiled the church and civil records of Eppe. > > Next to one of the names that I am interested in, there is the word Paggels. > I have been unable to find the meaning of the word. Could someone help me? > > Kay Infranco <KAInfranco@aol.com>

Dear Kay and list, I would be interested in the answer to Kay's question also. I have PAGELS ancestors, but from the Magdeburg, Saxony-Anhalt area. Sincerely, Katherine

I have the book that compiled the church and civil records of Eppe. Next to one of the names that I am interested in, there is the word Paggels. I have been unable to find the meaning of the word. Could someone help me? Thank you. Kay Infranco <KAInfranco@aol.com>

An American nickname for Conrad, I send this over the list because it may be interesting to other members. Thank you jjarm222 Diether Schwalbach, Hessen -----Original Message----- From: jjarm222 [mailto:jjarm222@revealed.net] My great uncle was born in Iowa in 1857........his parents in 1856 had immigrated from Germany. His name was Conrad, but was always known to everyone as "Uncle Coon". Hope this helps.

When I was growing up my friend Conrad was always called Mickey. Coon is also used in the south to be short for raccoon. Maybe he shot a lot of coons when he was younger and got the nickname Coon from that. This is one of those fun mysteries. Ruth Cherecwich In a message dated 1/27/2005 6:46:11 PM Mountain Standard Time, caspritz@gmx.de writes: An American nickname for Conrad, I send this over the list because it may be interesting to other members. Thank you jjarm222 Diether Schwalbach, Hessen -----Original Message----- From: jjarm222 [mailto:jjarm222@revealed.net] My great uncle was born in Iowa in 1857........his parents in 1856 had immigrated from Germany. His name was Conrad, but was always known to everyone as "Uncle Coon". Hope this helps.