Rply to lady looking for hometown of her ancester Henry Schmidt. I spent 40 years looking for the hometown/birthplace of my ancestor Folkert Weerts Gerdes who came to the US in 1857 from Ockenhausen, Hesse Darmstadt which is in the North of Germany . I did not know his middle name..only an initial and I did not know the Ockenhausen. I wrote every living member of the family I could find and visited many of them. I went to the National Archives to look through the ships passengers, had inquiries in the Genealogical Helper, checked the books with passenger lists in the DAR library and elsewhere...Finally a kind fellow genealogist from Oestfriesland helped me dig and pushed me to work even harder...and we found a Gerdes traveling on a ship The Gerhardt with his cousin and the cousin's family that finally we could say yes, this man and his cousin are a match. After finding this, one of my cousins went through her things and found an obituary notice for Folkert Gerdes that gave ! the birthplace and it was a match. I had looked at microfilm and microfische til I was nearly blind without finding it. I had looked at every other record that genealogists look at...Don't give up PS I found my ancestor Andreas Kehl's birthplace of Storndorf Germany only through an impressive certificate about the birth of his brother that some distant cousin had preserved and I went to visit. Both Gerdes and Kehl are so common in Germany...don't let the commonality of the name or lack of luck discourage you...keep trying..betty richardson HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 HESSE-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 39 Today's Topics: #1 Military record help [] #2 Hirstein/Franken? [Ed Maul ] #3 RE: Schmidt-Smith ["Diether Caspritz" #4 Schilling's in Hessen [Ed Maul ] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from HESSE-D, send a message to HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. NEVER hit your reply button to unsubscribe. Web Site for HESSEN, GERMANY, is at http://members.cox.net/hessen/index.htm Many towns in Germany have the same name! Add the 5-digit zip code in front of the name! Zip codes explained, http://members.cox.net/hessen/index.htm To unsubscribe or to look for old messages, go to: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/HESSE.html ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 07:27:35 -0800 From: To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Military record help Hello, I have a military discharge and I'm wondering where I can research to find out where this person actually served. Did they generally stay around their home grounds? Here's the translation info I have; Dukedon Nassau Brigade IInd Regiment IInd Line Company Appointed First Lieutenant and Commander of the Dukedoms IInd Regiment, George Hefeld, knight of the Lowlands Kingly Military Wilhelms-Ordens do herwith make known the following flank of the Dukedoms General Comman from the 28th of January 1841 Number G.C. 146 Section 1, the soldier Johann George Dauer from Wisper district L; Scheyalbach, regarding the merit of your service with the Dukedoms Military.......He is discharged from the Dukedoms Military Service since the 1st of April 1835 under the number 25,165 of the main opened-book as soldier in the year 1835, Release No. 7 and he had during that time served with honor. Any direction is greatly appreciated. Thank you Julie Dauer ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:18:01 -0500 From: Ed Maul To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Hirstein/Franken? I've looked at the maps on the web and it appears that Hirstein/Franken is in the Rhine Palatinate. searching for the surname SOMMER and the place to find it's district etc. Thanks, Ed http://members.tripod.com/~Silvie/Schilling.html ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:56:46 +0100 From: "Diether Caspritz" To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: Schmidt-Smith Lorri, Schmidt is a very common name in Germany and also in Hessen, so without further information you are looking for the proverbial needle in the hay stack. I think his German given name must have been Heinrich and being from Hessen Cassel his confession must have been lutheran protestant. Without further information it is very unlikely to find him. Diether (Caspritz) > -----Original Message----- > From: phillylorri [mailto:phillylorri@earthlink.net] > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 6:56 PM > To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Schmidt-Smith > > > Hi I am new to this list, I am searching HENRY SCHMIDT b. 1838 > from Hesse cASSELL HE CAME TO usa ABT 1857? He lived all his life in Phila > Pa. I am trying to find the town he came from? > Lorri ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 5 message/rfc822 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:56:27 -0500 From: Ed Maul To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Schilling's in Hessen Anyone have Schilling's in Hessen? Ed http://members.tripod.com/~Silvie/Schilling.html

Lorri, Schmidt is a very common name in Germany and also in Hessen, so without further information you are looking for the proverbial needle in the hay stack. I think his German given name must have been Heinrich and being from Hessen Cassel his confession must have been lutheran protestant. Without further information it is very unlikely to find him. Diether (Caspritz) > -----Original Message----- > From: phillylorri [mailto:phillylorri@earthlink.net] > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 6:56 PM > To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Schmidt-Smith > > > Hi I am new to this list, I am searching HENRY SCHMIDT b. 1838 > from Hesse cASSELL HE CAME TO usa ABT 1857? He lived all his life in Phila > Pa. I am trying to find the town he came from? > Lorri

Ed I have Schilling in Hanover. Fred Schilling b. c. 1828 in Hanover - d. 1880 in Germane Iowa. He immigrated before 1863. He also lived in South Dakota and Michigan. I have other surnames that I am working and have found some in Hanover and others not far away in Hessen. I may have found your Gustav in the 1880 Cook Co. IL census. Chicago, District 151. Gustav Schilling - age 56, Glove Maker, Sachen, Prus., Prus. Bertha Schilling - age 45, Sachen, Mecklenburg, Sachen Alexsander Schilling - age 20, IL Matilda Schilling - age 17, IL Ida Schilling - age 14, IL Auguste Schilling - age 9.

Anyone have Schilling's in Hessen? Ed http://members.tripod.com/~Silvie/Schilling.html

I've looked at the maps on the web and it appears that Hirstein/Franken is in the Rhine Palatinate. searching for the surname SOMMER and the place to find it's district etc. Thanks, Ed http://members.tripod.com/~Silvie/Schilling.html

Hello, I have a military discharge and I'm wondering where I can research to find out where this person actually served. Did they generally stay around their home grounds? Here's the translation info I have; Dukedon Nassau Brigade IInd Regiment IInd Line Company Appointed First Lieutenant and Commander of the Dukedoms IInd Regiment, George Hefeld, knight of the Lowlands Kingly Military Wilhelms-Ordens do herwith make known the following flank of the Dukedoms General Comman from the 28th of January 1841 Number G.C. 146 Section 1, the soldier Johann George Dauer from Wisper district L; Scheyalbach, regarding the merit of your service with the Dukedoms Military.......He is discharged from the Dukedoms Military Service since the 1st of April 1835 under the number 25,165 of the main opened-book as soldier in the year 1835, Release No. 7 and he had during that time served with honor. Any direction is greatly appreciated. Thank you Julie Dauer

Ich habe endlich angefangen meine Wolf seite zu erforschen. Sie kamen aus Oberursel und die Frau meines Ururgrossvaters und dessen bruders kamen von Landau. Vielleicht forsht noch jemand nach diesen Familien. Heronymus Wolf und Katharina Jamin (kath) beide geb in Oberursel (kath) Kinder Engelhard 6 Jun 1813 heiratete Sophia Burkhard Josef 1 Jan 1817 Barbara 9 Feb 1818 Eva 29 Jul 1823 Caspar Maerz 1825 heiratete Frederike Elisabeth Horchler (ev) Adam Nov 1828 heiratete Maria Theresia geb Wolf 8 1830 Martin 1 Mar 1836 heiratete Marie Louise Horchler*1840 (ev) Mein Urgrossvater war Casper Wolf geb Maerz 1825 in Oberursel und er hat am 9 April 1849 (in Oberursel, Kirchspiel)Frederike Elisabeth Horchler, geb 15 Jan 1826 in Landau Fuerstentum Waldeck geheiratet. Ihre Elter waren Friedrich Horchler und Magdalena Liebherz. Caspar's Bruder Martin hat in 1862 eine Schwester, Marie Louise Horchler geb 1840 in Landau, von seiner Frau geheiratet. Kennt jemand diese Familien?

Thanks, Ed http://members.tripod.com/~Silvie/Schilling.html

Hi I am new to this list, I am searching HENRY SCHMIDT b. 1838 from Hesse cASSELL HE CAME TO usa ABT 1857? He lived all his life in Phila Pa. I am trying to find the town he came from? Lorri

Is anyone searching these two surnames in this area? Many thanks, Karen

Searching for family of Gustav Wilhelm Schilling in maybe Chicago. Born 1830 Germany Emigrated to America from Bremen, arrived 24 Dec 1855, port of New York. Ship's name: New York. Moved to Chicago. Ed http://members.tripod.com/~Silvie/Schilling.html

Guten Tag. I am trying to find information on Frederick KRACH born Dec 1845 Kur Hessen, Germany. Frederick Krach was listed on a Pennsylvania USA 1880 census. I do not know what year he sailed to the USA. I also do not know what Faith. Thanks for any help you may provide. M Ortz ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

Looking for Johann b. abt 1812 and Catherina b. abt 1806. The Sparrenbergers had the following children: Elisabeth b. 1831 Cath. Elisabeth b. 1833 Heinrich b. 1834 Elisabeth b. 1836 Christina b. 1839 Johann b. 1841 They arrived in NY on Dec 12, 1853, on the ship Connecticut, from Havre. Would like to find census data on this family in Darmstadt. Would appreciate any info/sites...Thanks Brian --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'

Thanks for your discussion of the beliefs of the Reformed and Lutheran people. Some of my ancestors belonged to one and some to the other of these faiths and you inspired me to try to find out more. I do know that at times these two groups worshipped together, during the American colonial period. Thanks. Earl

I posted a message on these lists two days ago and since found out that the unverified information below is incorrect, that is: the father's name is not John Adam and the mother's name is not Mary Laursen Oberman. The information about that IS correct from VR's. I'm still looking. 1. Emilie M. ZIESSE left Hessen-Kassel in 1853 for New York and Massachusetts, USA. She was born in Germany (Hessen-Kassel) 15 January 1839 and her parents were Adam ZIESSE and Louise. The above information comes from USA Census records and the parents information comes from her Death Certificate. I have unverified information that her father's name was John Adam ZIESSE and her mother's name was Mary Laursen Obeman, both born in Hessen-Kassel (dates unknown).

--- Mario Arend <arendm@t-online.de> wrote: Lutheran believe in "real presence" of Christ "in, > with and under" the bread > and wine, a kind of transformation or > materialisation during the ceremony. > Luther let ministers go, who did not distinguish > clearly between transformed > and not transformed altar bread. > Well, Mario, you started out okay, but you ended up wrong. You should have stopped after "the bread and the wine". In the Lutheran (at least in the MO Synod)faith, there is no transformation at any time. The wine and bread are always there, the body and blood are always there. Nothing changes before, during or after consuming. Christ said "it is" not "it will be". As to the rest that you said, I can't say one way or the other. Dorene in MO __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C51056.3B8BD9A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Was there a Congregational Church in Hessen-Darmstadt circa 1790 - 1870? My Neufeld (Neufeldt, Newfield) family were members of the Congregational Church here in the USA. Was there a Congregational Church in Hessen-Darmstadt during the period of 1790 - 1870? If so, how is it related to the German Reformed Church, the Lutheran Church, and/or the Evangelical Church. The earliest Neufeld that I am currently aware of is Conrad Neufeld, immigrated from Hessen-Darmstadt and born in 1798. He immigrated to Iowa, USA, circa 1849 to New York or a New England port, with his son, Conrad II, born circa February 1828. My best information is that Conrad II was married in a Congregational Church in Niantic, New London, Connecticut, USA on February 23, 1851. Can anyone please help me find any information on what ship and when they emmigrated from Germany and any other possible records on them in Hesse-Darmstadt? By the way. How and when are "Hesse" and "Hessen" used? I see it used almost interchangeably and wonder what the correct usage of both are. ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C51056.3B8BD9A0 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="Charles J. Newfield.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Charles J. Newfield.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Newfield;Charles J. FN:Charles J. Newfield NICKNAME:Home TEL;HOME;VOICE:352-750-0283 TEL;CELL;VOICE:352-217-3110 TEL;HOME;FAX:352-750-0283 ADR;HOME;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:;;1113 Monterey Lane=3D0D=3D0AMira = Mesa Section=3D0D=3D0AThe Villages;Lady Lake;FL;3=3D 2159;USA LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:1113 Monterey Lane=3D0D=3D0AMira = Mesa Section=3D0D=3D0AThe Villages=3D0D=3D0ALady Lake, =3D FL 32159=3D0D=3D0AUSA EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:Old_Salt_FL@thevillages.net REV:20050211T212500Z END:VCARD ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C51056.3B8BD9A0--

I have just subscribed to this list and am looking for help in locating two of the families of my German ancestors. 1. Emilie M. ZIESSE left Hessen-Kassel in 1853 for New York and Massachusetts, USA. She was born in Germany (Hessen-Kassel) 15 January 1839 and her parents were Adam ZIESSE and Louise. The above information comes from USA Census records and the parents information comes from her Death Certificate. I have unverified information that her father's name was John Adam ZIESSE and her mother's name was Mary Laursen Obeman, both born in Hessen-Kassel (dates unknown). 2. Henry LEBER and wife Catherine (obviously Americanized first names). Census records for both have them as being from "Prussia". These records also would estimate the birth of Henry as c. 1790 and Catherine as c. 1795. I first find reference to them in Essex County, New Jersey, USA in 1820 as married. I have no information if they were married before or after they immigrated to the USA. I would appreciate any and all information as to how I can locate additional information on these two families. Thank you, Dave from Long Island

> My understanding is that the "Reformed Church" was a version of > Protestantism that was influenced by John Calvin. That ist correct. "Reformed" is one branch of protestantism, influenced by the reformers Ulrich Zwingli (he wrote Huldrych Zwingli) and Johannes Calvin. The reformed church exists mainly in Switzerland, the Netherlands, Scotland and Germany. In Hesse mainly in the northern part: Landgrafschaft Hessen-Kassel (later: Kurhessen). The main difference between "Reformed" and "Lutheran" is the nature of Eucharist (Lord's supper): Lutheran believe in "real presence" of Christ "in, with and under" the bread and wine, a kind of transformation or materialisation during the ceremony. Luther let ministers go, who did not distinguish clearly between transformed and not transformed altar bread. Reformed do not believe that bread and wine are transformed during the ceremony. For them bread and wine are for symbolic commemoration in Christ. The Hessian Landgraf Philipp der Grossmuetige (1504-1567) invited Luther and Zwingli in 1529 at Marburg in Hesse to find a consensus. It failed, the differences between Luther and Zwingli could not overcome. In some German parts in 19th century reformed and lutheran churches are united. From this time on there were three branches of protestantism: reformiert (reformed), lutherisch (lutheran) and uniert (united). In 1973 the consensus between the branches was found, the document is known as "Leuenberger Konkordie", which overcomes the theologic differences in baptism and Eucharist. Sincerely, mario, Hesse, Germany

There is a Dutch Reformed Church in South Africa which was very much part of the Afrikaner Aparthied philosophy. Africaners were mainly descendents of the Dutch settlers together with German and French colonists. I am not sure as to what the "Reform" actually was. Peter Melbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: <HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <HESSE-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 6:00 PM Subject: HESSE-D Digest V05 #30