Hi, In 1803 Hessen-Kassel became Kurhessen (same area, new name and function) 1866 it was occupied by Prussia 1868 the prussian province Hessen-Nassau was formed of Kurhessen, the county Hessen-Homburg, the duchy Nassau and the "Free Town Frankfurt" All these areas and more formed the current German state of Hessen after WW2. I admit, the Hessian history is a bit complicated, and I wrote only a rough history. But when you research you ancestors it often helps to know the history. To answer your last question: If your KRACH ancestor comes from Kurhessen, he will have lived there after 1803. And as the area of former Kurhessen is part of the current state of Hessen, you are on the right mailing list. The Prussian mailing lists only cover the original provinces of Ost- and West-Preussen (East- and West-Prussia). Diether > From: Ortz [mailto:bearden5@peoplepc.com] > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 2:23 PM > > After reading this I was wondering if I understand this correctly: Kurhessen beacame part of Prussia in 1866 or only > Hessen-Kassel? If Kurhessen beacame part of Prussia, should I search for my KRACH ancestor on the Prussian mailing list? > > Thank you, M Ortz > > -----Original Message----- > From: Diether Caspritz <caspritz@gmx.de> > Sent: Feb 21, 2005 7:26 AM > To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HESSE] RE: Hessen-Cassel, was: HESSE-D Digest V05 #39 > > Betty, > > Cassel = old for Kassel, town in the northern part of Hessen, in the center of Germany. > > Hessen-Kassel was a county in the northern area of the current state of Hessen. > > 1803 the Landgrafschaft (county) Hessen-Kassel became the Kurfuerstentum (electorate) Hessen (Kurhessen), > Kassel remained seat of power and capital. > 1816 also the Fuerstbistum (prince bishopric) Fulda became part of Kurhessen. > 1866 Hessen-Kassel became part of Preussen (Prussia) ...
Hello All, I am trying to find out if anybody can recommend a researcher for work at the Marburg archives. As I understand it, the research must be done in person If I am mistaken about research at the archives, please let me know, or if there is any other special information / procedures that need to be followed. I am hoping to start with some Auswandern information. I know that they came from the town of Niederurff and I have contacted the Pastor about records. Phillip Riemenschneider born 1826 came to US in late 1840's Catherine Riemenschneider (Maurer) born 1823 John Maurer born 1821 immigrated to US 1847 Thanks, Glenn Snider
Diether, that will be wonderful if you can take a look. I have searched church records here, an it does not give where he is from, he never used a middle inital, an his oath of alleigence to become a citizen only gives his age an Hesse Castle. Lorri ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diether Caspritz" <caspritz@gmx.de> To: "Liste, Hesse" <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com>; "Betty Richardson" <bkrich@sbcglobal.net> Cc: "Phillylorri" <phillylorri@earthlink.net> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 1:31 PM Subject: RE: Hessen-Cassel Betty, I agree with your statements and I think what you wrote about your search is an encouraging example of what persistence can achieve. In today's previous mail to the list I gave some hints that may help to collect more information and be successful in the long run. Now to your question: Emigration records from Lorri's ancestor's time if existent are at the archive for Hessen-Kassel: Staatsarchiv Marburg: www.staatsarchiv-marburg.hessen.de I found on the internet that they have also published the following books on emigration from Hessen-Kassel: Auerbach, Inge Franz,G. Frohlich,O.: HETRINA, HEss TRuppen Im Amerikanischen Unabhangigkeitskrieg (Hessian Troops in the American War of Independence) Auerbach, Inge: HESAUS Hessische Auswanderer Bd1 Hanau 18.Jh, Bd2 Hessen-Kassel 1840-50 (Hessian Emigrants Vol 1 Hanau, Vol. 2 Hessen-Kassel 1840-1850) Auerbach, Inge: Auswanderung aus Kurhessen, Nach Osten oder Westen? (Emigration from Kurhessen, East or West?) I may have access to the last book sometime next week and will have a look for Heinrich Schmidt. Diether -----Original Message----- From: Betty Richardson [mailto:bkrich@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 3:25 PM To: Diether Caspritz; Liste, Hesse Cc: Betty Richardson; Phillylorri Subject: RE: Hessen-Cassel, was: HESSE-D Digest V05 #39 Diether, Thank-you for giving this information about Cassel/Kassel and Hessen-Kassel. I always am confused about the counties and the changes that went on historically and still am struggling to understand. Is the town/city of Kassel the county seat now of what would have been Hessen-Kassel back in Lorri's ancestor's time? Would there be emigration records there in an archive if Lori could find the town of her ancestor? I am a gentle person and my reply to Lorri (and others) of my own experience is not a negative response to your reply but only to let them know how I struggled for years (since 1960) to find my greatgreat grandfather's birthplace and then his father and mother's names and on back in our ancestry, but I never gave up and finally the clues I needed came only a year or so ago. Diether your responses are valuable and much appreciated. Keep them coming. Betty Diether Caspritz <caspritz@gmx.de> wrote: Betty, Cassel = old for Kassel, town in the northern part of Hessen, in the center of Germany. Hessen-Kassel was a county in the northern area of the current state of Hessen. 1803 the Landgrafschaft (county) Hessen-Kassel became the Kurfuerstentum (electorate) Hessen (Kurhessen), Kassel remained seat of power and capital. 1816 also the Fuerstbistum (prince bishopric) Fulda became part of Kurhessen. 1866 Hessen-Kassel became part of Preussen (Prussia) ... So Lorri is looking for Heinrich Schmidt in a large area. I did not mean to discourage her, but it is necessary to find out more information in order to be able to locate him. Is there a death record in the parish in Philly where he lived? The church records often give further information. What other given names did he have? At that time people in Hessen had two or more given names. With whom was he married. Did he marry in Germany? Immigrants often married people from their home area. Were there relatives or friends immigrating with him? They might give clues. Where did the people in his neighborhood in Philly come from? Hope to have given a few ideas of how to find out more on Henry and then may be able to locate him in Hessen-Kassel. Diether > From: Betty Richardson [mailto:bkrich@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 3:02 PM > > What county or Kreis is "Hesse Cassel" in? Is there an archivist there who maintains records of those who applied for > permission to leave the country in the 1850's? Some of the list members in Germany may know. This could be a source of > info for Lori looking for the Schmidt. She would have to either know the village her ancestor was from, or get help > from someone in Germany, or go there if there are some records being maintained...The archivists will give info if you > know the town and they can readily find it..Otherwise it is good to go and look for yourself. I just went to the county > or Kreis of Alsfeld regarding my ancestor from Storndorf and searched with the archivist's help. betty > > HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Web Site for HESSEN, GERMANY, is at > http://members.cox.net/hessen/index.htm > > Many towns in Germany have the same name! Add the 5-digit > zip code in front of the name! Zip codes explained, > http://members.cox.net/hessen/index.htm> > ______________________________ > > > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 07:27:35 -0800 > From: > To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Military record help > > Hello, > > I have a military discharge and I'm wondering where I can research to find out where this person actually served. Did > they generally stay around their home grounds? > > Here's the translation info I have; > Dukedon Nassau Brigade > > IInd Regiment > IInd Line Company > > Appointed First Lieutenant and Commander of the Dukedoms IInd Regiment, George Hefeld, knight of the Lowlands Kingly > Military Wilhelms-Ordens do herwith make known the following flank of the Dukedoms General Comman from the 28th of > January 1841 Number G.C. 146 Section 1, the soldier Johann George Dauer from Wisper district L; Scheyalbach, regarding > the merit of your service with the Dukedoms Military.......He is discharged from the Dukedoms Military Service since > the 1st of April 1835 under the number 25,165 of the main opened-book as soldier in the year 1835, Release No. 7 and he > had during that time served with honor. > > Any direction is greatly appreciated. > > Thank you > Julie Dauer > > ______________________________ > > > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:18:01 -0500 > From: Ed Maul > To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Hirstein/Franken? > > I've looked at the maps on the web and it appears that Hirstein/Franken is in the Rhine Palatinate. > searching for the surname SOMMER and the place to find it's district etc. > Thanks, > Ed > > > http://members.tripod.com/~Silvie/Schilling.html > > ______________________________ > > > ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:56:46 +0100 > From: "Diether Caspritz" > To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: Schmidt-Smith > > Lorri, > > Schmidt is a very common name in Germany and also in Hessen, > so without further information you are looking for the proverbial > needle in the hay stack. > > I think his German given name must have been Heinrich and > being from Hessen Cassel his confession must have been > lutheran protestant. > > Without further information it is very unlikely to find him. > > Diether (Caspritz) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: phillylorri [mailto:phillylorri@earthlink.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 6:56 PM > > To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Schmidt-Smith > > > > > > Hi I am new to this list, I am searching HENRY SCHMIDT b. 1838 > > from Hesse cASSELL HE CAME TO usa ABT 1857? He lived all his life in Phila > > Pa. I am trying to find the town he came from? > > Lorri
Lorri, I will check the Hessische Auswanderer for you next time I go to the library. That is where I found the name of the town that my Hessian ancestors came from. Barb Diether Caspritz <caspritz@gmx.de> wrote: Betty, I agree with your statements and I think what you wrote about your search is an encouraging example of what persistence can achieve. In today's previous mail to the list I gave some hints that may help to collect more information and be successful in the long run. Now to your question: Emigration records from Lorri's ancestor's time if existent are at the archive for Hessen-Kassel: Staatsarchiv Marburg: www.staatsarchiv-marburg.hessen.de I found on the internet that they have also published the following books on emigration from Hessen-Kassel: Auerbach, Inge Franz,G. Frohlich,O.: HETRINA, HEss TRuppen Im Amerikanischen Unabhangigkeitskrieg (Hessian Troops in the American War of Independence) Auerbach, Inge: HESAUS Hessische Auswanderer Bd1 Hanau 18.Jh, Bd2 Hessen-Kassel 1840-50 (Hessian Emigrants Vol 1 Hanau, Vol. 2 Hessen-Kassel 1840-1850) Auerbach, Inge: Auswanderung aus Kurhessen, Nach Osten oder Westen? (Emigration from Kurhessen, East or West?) I may have access to the last book sometime next week and will have a look for Heinrich Schmidt. Diether -----Original Message----- From: Betty Richardson [mailto:bkrich@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 3:25 PM To: Diether Caspritz; Liste, Hesse Cc: Betty Richardson; Phillylorri Subject: RE: Hessen-Cassel, was: HESSE-D Digest V05 #39 Diether, Thank-you for giving this information about Cassel/Kassel and Hessen-Kassel. I always am confused about the counties and the changes that went on historically and still am struggling to understand. Is the town/city of Kassel the county seat now of what would have been Hessen-Kassel back in Lorri's ancestor's time? Would there be emigration records there in an archive if Lori could find the town of her ancestor? I am a gentle person and my reply to Lorri (and others) of my own experience is not a negative response to your reply but only to let them know how I struggled for years (since 1960) to find my greatgreat grandfather's birthplace and then his father and mother's names and on back in our ancestry, but I never gave up and finally the clues I needed came only a year or so ago. Diether your responses are valuable and much appreciated. Keep them coming. Betty Diether Caspritz wrote: Betty, Cassel = old for Kassel, town in the northern part of Hessen, in the center of Germany. Hessen-Kassel was a county in the northern area of the current state of Hessen. 1803 the Landgrafschaft (county) Hessen-Kassel became the Kurfuerstentum (electorate) Hessen (Kurhessen), Kassel remained seat of power and capital. 1816 also the Fuerstbistum (prince bishopric) Fulda became part of Kurhessen. 1866 Hessen-Kassel became part of Preussen (Prussia) ... So Lorri is looking for Heinrich Schmidt in a large area. I did not mean to discourage her, but it is necessary to find out more information in order to be able to locate him. Is there a death record in the parish in Philly where he lived? The church records often give further information. What other given names did he have? At that time people in Hessen had two or more given names. With whom was he married. Did he marry in Germany? Immigrants often married people from their home area. Were there relatives or friends immigrating with him? They might give clues. Where did the people in his neighborhood in Philly come from? Hope to have given a few ideas of how to find out more on Henry and then may be able to locate him in Hessen-Kassel. Diether > From: Betty Richardson [mailto:bkrich@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 3:02 PM > > What county or Kreis is "Hesse Cassel" in? Is there an archivist there who maintains records of those who applied for > permission to leave the country in the 1850's? Some of the list members in Germany may know. This could be a source of > info for Lori looking for the Schmidt. She would have to either know the village her ancestor was from, or get help > from someone in Germany, or go there if there are some records being maintained...The archivists will give info if you > know the town and they can readily find it..Otherwise it is good to go and look for yourself. I just went to the county > or Kreis of Alsfeld regarding my ancestor from Storndorf and searched with the archivist's help. betty > > HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Web Site for HESSEN, GERMANY, is at > http://members.cox.net/hessen/index.htm > > Many towns in Germany have the same name! Add the 5-digit > zip code in front of the name! Zip codes explained, > http://members.cox.net/hessen/index.htm> > ______________________________ > > > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 07:27:35 -0800 > From: > To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Military record help > > Hello, > > I have a military discharge and I'm wondering where I can research to find out where this person actually served. Did > they generally stay around their home grounds? > > Here's the translation info I have; > Dukedon Nassau Brigade > > IInd Regiment > IInd Line Company > > Appointed First Lieutenant and Commander of the Dukedoms IInd Regiment, George Hefeld, knight of the Lowlands Kingly > Military Wilhelms-Ordens do herwith make known the following flank of the Dukedoms General Comman from the 28th of > January 1841 Number G.C. 146 Section 1, the soldier Johann George Dauer from Wisper district L; Scheyalbach, regarding > the merit of your service with the Dukedoms Military.......He is discharged from the Dukedoms Military Service since > the 1st of April 1835 under the number 25,165 of the main opened-book as soldier in the year 1835, Release No. 7 and he > had during that time served with honor. > > Any direction is greatly appreciated. > > Thank you > Julie Dauer > > ______________________________ > > > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:18:01 -0500 > From: Ed Maul > To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Hirstein/Franken? > > I've looked at the maps on the web and it appears that Hirstein/Franken is in the Rhine Palatinate. > searching for the surname SOMMER and the place to find it's district etc. > Thanks, > Ed > > > http://members.tripod.com/~Silvie/Schilling.html > > ______________________________ > > > ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:56:46 +0100 > From: "Diether Caspritz" > To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: Schmidt-Smith > > Lorri, > > Schmidt is a very common name in Germany and also in Hessen, > so without further information you are looking for the proverbial > needle in the hay stack. > > I think his German given name must have been Heinrich and > being from Hessen Cassel his confession must have been > lutheran protestant. > > Without further information it is very unlikely to find him. > > Diether (Caspritz) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: phillylorri [mailto:phillylorri@earthlink.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 6:56 PM > > To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Schmidt-Smith > > > > > > Hi I am new to this list, I am searching HENRY SCHMIDT b. 1838 > > from Hesse cASSELL HE CAME TO usa ABT 1857? He lived all his life in Phila > > Pa. I am trying to find the town he came from? > > Lorri ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== Many towns in Germany have the same name! Add the 5-digit zip code in front of the name! Zip codes explained, http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm
Betty, Cassel = old for Kassel, town in the northern part of Hessen, in the center of Germany. Hessen-Kassel was a county in the northern area of the current state of Hessen. 1803 the Landgrafschaft (county) Hessen-Kassel became the Kurfuerstentum (electorate) Hessen (Kurhessen), Kassel remained seat of power and capital. 1816 also the Fuerstbistum (prince bishopric) Fulda became part of Kurhessen. 1866 Hessen-Kassel became part of Preussen (Prussia) ... So Lorri is looking for Heinrich Schmidt in a large area. I did not mean to discourage her, but it is necessary to find out more information in order to be able to locate him. Is there a death record in the parish in Philly where he lived? The church records often give further information. What other given names did he have? At that time people in Hessen had two or more given names. With whom was he married. Did he marry in Germany? Immigrants often married people from their home area. Were there relatives or friends immigrating with him? They might give clues. Where did the people in his neighborhood in Philly come from? Hope to have given a few ideas of how to find out more on Henry and then may be able to locate him in Hessen-Kassel. Diether > From: Betty Richardson [mailto:bkrich@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 3:02 PM > > What county or Kreis is "Hesse Cassel" in? Is there an archivist there who maintains records of those who applied for > permission to leave the country in the 1850's? Some of the list members in Germany may know. This could be a source of > info for Lori looking for the Schmidt. She would have to either know the village her ancestor was from, or get help > from someone in Germany, or go there if there are some records being maintained...The archivists will give info if you > know the town and they can readily find it..Otherwise it is good to go and look for yourself. I just went to the county > or Kreis of Alsfeld regarding my ancestor from Storndorf and searched with the archivist's help. betty > > HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Web Site for HESSEN, GERMANY, is at > http://members.cox.net/hessen/index.htm > > Many towns in Germany have the same name! Add the 5-digit > zip code in front of the name! Zip codes explained, > http://members.cox.net/hessen/index.htm> > ______________________________ > > > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 07:27:35 -0800 > From: > To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Military record help > > Hello, > > I have a military discharge and I'm wondering where I can research to find out where this person actually served. Did > they generally stay around their home grounds? > > Here's the translation info I have; > Dukedon Nassau Brigade > > IInd Regiment > IInd Line Company > > Appointed First Lieutenant and Commander of the Dukedoms IInd Regiment, George Hefeld, knight of the Lowlands Kingly > Military Wilhelms-Ordens do herwith make known the following flank of the Dukedoms General Comman from the 28th of > January 1841 Number G.C. 146 Section 1, the soldier Johann George Dauer from Wisper district L; Scheyalbach, regarding > the merit of your service with the Dukedoms Military.......He is discharged from the Dukedoms Military Service since > the 1st of April 1835 under the number 25,165 of the main opened-book as soldier in the year 1835, Release No. 7 and he > had during that time served with honor. > > Any direction is greatly appreciated. > > Thank you > Julie Dauer > > ______________________________ > > > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:18:01 -0500 > From: Ed Maul > To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Hirstein/Franken? > > I've looked at the maps on the web and it appears that Hirstein/Franken is in the Rhine Palatinate. > searching for the surname SOMMER and the place to find it's district etc. > Thanks, > Ed > > > http://members.tripod.com/~Silvie/Schilling.html > > ______________________________ > > > ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:56:46 +0100 > From: "Diether Caspritz" > To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: Schmidt-Smith > > Lorri, > > Schmidt is a very common name in Germany and also in Hessen, > so without further information you are looking for the proverbial > needle in the hay stack. > > I think his German given name must have been Heinrich and > being from Hessen Cassel his confession must have been > lutheran protestant. > > Without further information it is very unlikely to find him. > > Diether (Caspritz) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: phillylorri [mailto:phillylorri@earthlink.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 6:56 PM > > To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Schmidt-Smith > > > > > > Hi I am new to this list, I am searching HENRY SCHMIDT b. 1838 > > from Hesse cASSELL HE CAME TO usa ABT 1857? He lived all his life in Phila > > Pa. I am trying to find the town he came from? > > Lorri
Yesterday I sent the following post to the wrong address (Hesse-l-request) - Betty Richardson wrote: "What county or Kreis is "Hesse Cassel" in? Is there an archivist there who maintains records of those who applied for permission to leave the country in the 1850's?" I am interested in this topic of archivists. In my Scandinavian research I learned that the priests kept records concerning the moving into and out of each parish. I have not seen mention of these "moving records" in listings of German church book films, and the ones here in question seem to pertain to emigration from the kreis or country, as opposed to the parish. Where might one go to learn about any emigration records kept by the archivists Betty mentions? Thanks, Bart
Recently received a letter from Ernst List, Pfarrer, Evangelisches Pfarramt, D-34320 S�hrewald, Germany (Telefon 0 5608/1079). He provided further information on my g,g,g, grandfather; Johann Heinrich Blumenstein, b. 25 April 1815 in Quentel. Father, Nikolaus Blumenstein, Mother Maria Elisabeth Blumenstein geborene Anacker. Wife: Catharina Elizabeth Blumenstein geborene Stephan, Witwe von Johann Lotzgeselle aus Wattenbach. Father: Johannes Stephan, Mother, Katharina Stephan geborene Weigel. Heinrich and Catharina were married 25 September 1842 in Wattenbach jetzt S�hrewald. From earlier research I know they (Heinrich and Catharina) had three children: John George - b. Jun 1844, Friedrich- b. 1847 and Augustas-b. 1854. The family came to America out of the port of Bremen, arriving in New York on 31 July 1857 on the ship Magdalene. I have info on the family as to where they lived in America through census records and other research. I know Quentel is just a short distance south east of Wattenbach. What I need help on is where I can write to obtain further information on Johann Heinrich Blumenstein parents and their children. Also if anyone out there is doing research on the name Blumenstein and be willing to share. Donald Blumenstein dblum30@earthlink.net
Forward to the list: Michaelle, My Schaefer-Falter family probably came through Pennsylvania but don't think they stopped there. If they stopped it would have been in Pekin, Illinois. Georg was already in Nebraska when Barbara and family and son's wife came in 1872 through Baltimore. On Barbara's marriage record her father was Adam and mother Elisabetha Margaretha Schantz. I think her father was deceased at the time and the record is signed by brother Philipp Jacob Schaefer. (1843) Jan in Nebraska
Diether, Thank-you for giving this information about Cassel/Kassel and Hessen-Kassel. I always am confused about the counties and the changes that went on historically and still am struggling to understand. Is the town/city of Kassel the county seat now of what would have been Hessen-Kassel back in Lorri's ancestor's time? Would there be emigration records there in an archive if Lori could find the town of her ancestor? I am a gentle person and my reply to Lorri (and others) of my own experience is not a negative response to your reply but only to let them know how I struggled for years (since 1960) to find my greatgreat grandfather's birthplace and then his father and mother's names and on back in our ancestry, but I never gave up and finally the clues I needed came only a year or so ago. Diether your responses are valuable and much appreciated. Keep them coming. Betty Diether Caspritz <caspritz@gmx.de> wrote: Betty, Cassel = old for Kassel, town in the northern part of Hessen, in the center of Germany. Hessen-Kassel was a county in the northern area of the current state of Hessen. 1803 the Landgrafschaft (county) Hessen-Kassel became the Kurfuerstentum (electorate) Hessen (Kurhessen), Kassel remained seat of power and capital. 1816 also the Fuerstbistum (prince bishopric) Fulda became part of Kurhessen. 1866 Hessen-Kassel became part of Preussen (Prussia) ... So Lorri is looking for Heinrich Schmidt in a large area. I did not mean to discourage her, but it is necessary to find out more information in order to be able to locate him. Is there a death record in the parish in Philly where he lived? The church records often give further information. What other given names did he have? At that time people in Hessen had two or more given names. With whom was he married. Did he marry in Germany? Immigrants often married people from their home area. Were there relatives or friends immigrating with him? They might give clues. Where did the people in his neighborhood in Philly come from? Hope to have given a few ideas of how to find out more on Henry and then may be able to locate him in Hessen-Kassel. Diether > From: Betty Richardson [mailto:bkrich@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 3:02 PM > > What county or Kreis is "Hesse Cassel" in? Is there an archivist there who maintains records of those who applied for > permission to leave the country in the 1850's? Some of the list members in Germany may know. This could be a source of > info for Lori looking for the Schmidt. She would have to either know the village her ancestor was from, or get help > from someone in Germany, or go there if there are some records being maintained...The archivists will give info if you > know the town and they can readily find it..Otherwise it is good to go and look for yourself. I just went to the county > or Kreis of Alsfeld regarding my ancestor from Storndorf and searched with the archivist's help. betty > > HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Web Site for HESSEN, GERMANY, is at > http://members.cox.net/hessen/index.htm > > Many towns in Germany have the same name! Add the 5-digit > zip code in front of the name! Zip codes explained, > http://members.cox.net/hessen/index.htm> > ______________________________ > > > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 07:27:35 -0800 > From: > To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Military record help > > Hello, > > I have a military discharge and I'm wondering where I can research to find out where this person actually served. Did > they generally stay around their home grounds? > > Here's the translation info I have; > Dukedon Nassau Brigade > > IInd Regiment > IInd Line Company > > Appointed First Lieutenant and Commander of the Dukedoms IInd Regiment, George Hefeld, knight of the Lowlands Kingly > Military Wilhelms-Ordens do herwith make known the following flank of the Dukedoms General Comman from the 28th of > January 1841 Number G.C. 146 Section 1, the soldier Johann George Dauer from Wisper district L; Scheyalbach, regarding > the merit of your service with the Dukedoms Military.......He is discharged from the Dukedoms Military Service since > the 1st of April 1835 under the number 25,165 of the main opened-book as soldier in the year 1835, Release No. 7 and he > had during that time served with honor. > > Any direction is greatly appreciated. > > Thank you > Julie Dauer > > ______________________________ > > > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:18:01 -0500 > From: Ed Maul > To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Hirstein/Franken? > > I've looked at the maps on the web and it appears that Hirstein/Franken is in the Rhine Palatinate. > searching for the surname SOMMER and the place to find it's district etc. > Thanks, > Ed > > > http://members.tripod.com/~Silvie/Schilling.html > > ______________________________ > > > ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:56:46 +0100 > From: "Diether Caspritz" > To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: Schmidt-Smith > > Lorri, > > Schmidt is a very common name in Germany and also in Hessen, > so without further information you are looking for the proverbial > needle in the hay stack. > > I think his German given name must have been Heinrich and > being from Hessen Cassel his confession must have been > lutheran protestant. > > Without further information it is very unlikely to find him. > > Diether (Caspritz) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: phillylorri [mailto:phillylorri@earthlink.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 6:56 PM > > To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Schmidt-Smith > > > > > > Hi I am new to this list, I am searching HENRY SCHMIDT b. 1838 > > from Hesse cASSELL HE CAME TO usa ABT 1857? He lived all his life in Phila > > Pa. I am trying to find the town he came from? > > Lorri
I seen some postings last week about the Smith/Schmidt name I have an ancestor that was born in Hesse...SOMEWHERE...Germany his name was listed as Theodore Schmidt on his marriage record in Durham England where he had went to at some point, I cannot find out who his parents are or what line he belongs to he was born Aprox. 1838 in the month of Oct. accroding to his testimony at his naturalization and on various census listing's. If anyone should have a Theodore fitting that description...what little there is... I would love to hear from you. Schannon
Anna Barbara Schaefer was born 10 Mar 1813 in the Hessen area. She married my grt grandfather George Heinrich Falter 2 Dec 1834 in Hessen. I am wanting to find more information about her family if there is anyone researching SCHAEFER'S please email me. She immigrated to the US in 1872 with her family and a son's family and went to Plattsmouth, NE. Jan in Nebraska
> HI, > Im new to this list. Im searching for William Mogk who immigrated to New > York from Hesse Darmstadt, Germany about 1867. He was born about 1819. He > married Elizabeth..not sure of her maiden name. Had Children: > Marie b. abt. 1865 > William b. August 1854 > August b. January 1858 > George b. abt. 1862 > Margaret b. abt. 1866 > > Marie was my GG Grandmother, she married Henry Schmidt. I have more info on > this family once they came to the US. If anyone has any info or can tell me > about a website for searching german roots ( In English) I would appreciate > it. thanks. > Kim > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Hi Kim, Mogk is a rather popular name in Friedberg-Oberhessen area, for example Reichelsheim and Echzell. Do you have some more information about August Mogk * 1858, mentioned above, maybe it is him: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/IGI/individual_record.asp?recid=100326546227&lds=1®ion=11&frompage=99 oo 29 JUL 1886 Mary Burkle Manhattan, New York, Father Wilhelm Mogk, mother Elisabeth Noll? If so " Aechzel Hesse Danerstadt" should read Echzell Hessen Darmstadt, seems to belong to one of that families: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/customsearchresults.asp?last_name=mogk&batch_number=M939033®ion=8&record_group=1&LDS=1 That's why it could be an idea to try Echzell Film http://tinyurl.com/6o6eh BTW I also have some Mogk ancestors in Reichelsheim-Friedberg: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/customsearchresults.asp?last_name=mogk&batch_number=C938881®ion=8&record_group=1&LDS=1 a place rather near Echzell, my Mogk is at: http://home.arcor.de/andorama/gen7-9.htm#245 maybe we can join some day. Good luck, Ralf in Berlin http://home.arcor.de/andorama/orte.htm#hesse
A piece of additional information: "Wisper" is not only the name of a small river, but also the name of a village on the upper reaches of this river. The village Wisper belonged to the Amt (=district) Langenschwalbach. So you can assume that Johann Georg DAUER came from this very village. Carl Becker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diether Caspritz" <caspritz@gmx.de> To: <HESSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 1:03 AM Subject: [HESSE] RE: Military record help > Julie, > > some information is at > http://www.genealogie-mainspitze.de/hessenmilitaer/hm-nas.htm > > The Lowlands should be the Netherlands and L. Scheyalbach is Langenschwalbach, today Bad Schwalbach > (near Wiesbaden). Wisper is a small river going from the Taunus mountains into the river Rhine. > The area belonged to the dukedom Nassau. > > Michael Geisler [m-m-geisler@t-online.de] may be able to help you further. > > Diether > > > From: candoia21@verizon.net [mailto:candoia21@verizon.net] > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 4:28 PM > > > > I have a military discharge and I'm wondering where I can research to find out where this person actually served. Did > > they generally stay around their home grounds? > > > > Here's the translation info I have; > > Dukedon Nassau Brigade > > > > IInd Regiment > > IInd Line Company > > > > Appointed First Lieutenant and Commander of the Dukedoms IInd Regiment, George Hefeld, knight of the Lowlands Kingly > > Military Wilhelms-Ordens do herwith make known the following flank of the Dukedoms General Comman from the 28th of > > January 1841 Number G.C. 146 Section 1, the soldier Johann George Dauer from Wisper district L; Scheyalbach, regarding > > the merit of your service with the Dukedoms Military.......He is discharged from the Dukedoms Military Service since > > the 1st of April 1835 under the number 25,165 of the main opened-book as soldier in the year 1835, Release No. 7 and he > > had during that time served with honor. > > > > Any direction is greatly appreciated. > > > > Thank you > > Julie Dauer > > > > ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/HESSE.html > to unsubscribe > >
Just found out a middle name. The full name is Frederick Ferdinand KRACH born 1845(?) KurHessen. Any suggestions on how to find out more about him? Michelle ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com
Julie, some information is at http://www.genealogie-mainspitze.de/hessenmilitaer/hm-nas.htm The Lowlands should be the Netherlands and L. Scheyalbach is Langenschwalbach, today Bad Schwalbach (near Wiesbaden). Wisper is a small river going from the Taunus mountains into the river Rhine. The area belonged to the dukedom Nassau. Michael Geisler [m-m-geisler@t-online.de] may be able to help you further. Diether > From: candoia21@verizon.net [mailto:candoia21@verizon.net] > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 4:28 PM > > I have a military discharge and I'm wondering where I can research to find out where this person actually served. Did > they generally stay around their home grounds? > > Here's the translation info I have; > Dukedon Nassau Brigade > > IInd Regiment > IInd Line Company > > Appointed First Lieutenant and Commander of the Dukedoms IInd Regiment, George Hefeld, knight of the Lowlands Kingly > Military Wilhelms-Ordens do herwith make known the following flank of the Dukedoms General Comman from the 28th of > January 1841 Number G.C. 146 Section 1, the soldier Johann George Dauer from Wisper district L; Scheyalbach, regarding > the merit of your service with the Dukedoms Military.......He is discharged from the Dukedoms Military Service since > the 1st of April 1835 under the number 25,165 of the main opened-book as soldier in the year 1835, Release No. 7 and he > had during that time served with honor. > > Any direction is greatly appreciated. > > Thank you > Julie Dauer
Is or has anyone researched this family name? Is there still families with the KRACH surname in KurHessen? I am unable to find out anything about this family line. My ancestor was Frederick KRACH born 1845(?) in KurHessen One of his wives was Caroline FREIDENBERGER, also from Germany. M. Ortz ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com
Hi, I am researching my ancestor grandfather Johann Matthias Stark (born 1821). His death record in Wisconsin indicates he was born in Oberheumodern, Mittelfrankin. Oberheumodern is a small village near Wettelsheim. I would like to know how I can do further research in this village/region regarding Johann's parents, siblings,etc. Regards
HI, Im new to this list. Im searching for William Mogk who immigrated to New York from Hesse Darmstadt, Germany about 1867. He was born about 1819. He married Elizabeth..not sure of her maiden name. Had Children: Marie b. abt. 1865 William b. August 1854 August b. January 1858 George b. abt. 1862 Margaret b. abt. 1866 Marie was my GG Grandmother, she married Henry Schmidt. I have more info on this family once they came to the US. If anyone has any info or can tell me about a website for searching german roots ( In English) I would appreciate it. thanks. Kim khawk@localnet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.1.0 - Release Date: 2/18/2005
Does anyone have information on this ROCK? This is a direct line for me. My ROCKs were in Rothges/Laubach, but not sure about Leeheim. Happy to share. Francine Conn Halter Johann Conrad Rock b: 1761 married unknown 1782 in Leeheim, Hessen-Darmstadt, Germany No further info known.
What county or Kreis is "Hesse Cassel" in? Is there an archivist there who maintains records of those who applied for permission to leave the country in the 1850's? Some of the list members in Germany may know. This could be a source of info for Lori looking for the Schmidt. She would have to either know the village her ancestor was from, or get help from someone in Germany, or go there if there are some records being maintained...The archivists will give info if you know the town and they can readily find it..Otherwise it is good to go and look for yourself. I just went to the county or Kreis of Alsfeld regarding my ancestor from Storndorf and searched with the archivist's help. betty HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 HESSE-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 39 Today's Topics: #1 Military record help [] #2 Hirstein/Franken? [Ed Maul ] #3 RE: Schmidt-Smith ["Diether Caspritz" #4 Schilling's in Hessen [Ed Maul ] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from HESSE-D, send a message to HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. NEVER hit your reply button to unsubscribe. Web Site for HESSEN, GERMANY, is at http://members.cox.net/hessen/index.htm Many towns in Germany have the same name! Add the 5-digit zip code in front of the name! Zip codes explained, http://members.cox.net/hessen/index.htm To unsubscribe or to look for old messages, go to: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/HESSE.html ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 07:27:35 -0800 From: To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Military record help Hello, I have a military discharge and I'm wondering where I can research to find out where this person actually served. Did they generally stay around their home grounds? Here's the translation info I have; Dukedon Nassau Brigade IInd Regiment IInd Line Company Appointed First Lieutenant and Commander of the Dukedoms IInd Regiment, George Hefeld, knight of the Lowlands Kingly Military Wilhelms-Ordens do herwith make known the following flank of the Dukedoms General Comman from the 28th of January 1841 Number G.C. 146 Section 1, the soldier Johann George Dauer from Wisper district L; Scheyalbach, regarding the merit of your service with the Dukedoms Military.......He is discharged from the Dukedoms Military Service since the 1st of April 1835 under the number 25,165 of the main opened-book as soldier in the year 1835, Release No. 7 and he had during that time served with honor. Any direction is greatly appreciated. Thank you Julie Dauer ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:18:01 -0500 From: Ed Maul To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Hirstein/Franken? I've looked at the maps on the web and it appears that Hirstein/Franken is in the Rhine Palatinate. searching for the surname SOMMER and the place to find it's district etc. Thanks, Ed http://members.tripod.com/~Silvie/Schilling.html ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:56:46 +0100 From: "Diether Caspritz" To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: Schmidt-Smith Lorri, Schmidt is a very common name in Germany and also in Hessen, so without further information you are looking for the proverbial needle in the hay stack. I think his German given name must have been Heinrich and being from Hessen Cassel his confession must have been lutheran protestant. Without further information it is very unlikely to find him. Diether (Caspritz) > -----Original Message----- > From: phillylorri [mailto:phillylorri@earthlink.net] > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 6:56 PM > To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Schmidt-Smith > > > Hi I am new to this list, I am searching HENRY SCHMIDT b. 1838 > from Hesse cASSELL HE CAME TO usa ABT 1857? He lived all his life in Phila > Pa. I am trying to find the town he came from? > Lorri ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 5 message/rfc822 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:56:27 -0500 From: Ed Maul To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Schilling's in Hessen Anyone have Schilling's in Hessen? Ed http://members.tripod.com/~Silvie/Schilling.html