In a message dated 2/27/2005 5:00:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Regarding J. Lotz, Hesse: You don't mention whether you have consulted American church records. Those can be your best bet for finding the town of origin in Germany. Hello Katherine: Thank you for the reply. I did find the church records, but they only contained names, ages, and the date of marriage. Thanks again, Paul

Regarding J. Lotz, Hesse: You don't mention whether you have consulted American church records. Those can be your best bet for finding the town of origin in Germany. Sincerely, Katherine

Philip HOLZDERBER was born in Holland in 1800, according to the 1860 US Census for Manhattan, New York City, New York. His sons, John, Charles and Philip were born in the Duchy of Hesse Darmstadt. The family moved to New York City between 1840 and 1850. John became a merchant, Charles, a banker and Philip moved to Washington DC where he worked for the State Department. John may be the father of Charlotte who married John George FLAMMER I would appreciate hearing from anyone with an interest in this HOLZDERBER family. Harry in San Rafael, CA, USA

Hi Paul, You face the problem that most of face who are researching their German ancestors. Before you can do research in Germany, you need to know the village/town/city they came from, the various ways their name was spelled, and their religion. The way you do this is to find them place of origin in American records. You need to start at the first place they entered the U.S. They would have registered there as an alien, attended church, and most-likely been part of a group who traveled together from Europe. If you can't find any records for them, then look for records of those how lived with or near them. I would first do the census work, and track them in every census. Make a list of everyone in their household, and their neighbors. Next, I'd get the county histories, find out which church the attended, and look for their applications for citizenship. Find him in the ship passenger lists, the Church where he married, and go to the County Court Houses. There is no easy way to do it, but with persistence, you may be able to determine the place of origin. Once you find their home town, you can find them in the church records. Church records are the main source before 1871 in Germany. Carol Elk Grove, CA -----Original Message----- From: Pm401kplan@aol.com [mailto:Pm401kplan@aol.com] Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 12:52 PM To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Henry (Heinrich) J. Lotz: Hesse>New York>Ohio Hello Everyone: I have hit the "brick wall" trying to find the name of the home town of my gggrandfather, Henry J. Lotz. The only info I have comes from American sources. His was born 8 June 1815 in Hesse and he died 18 October 1887 in Sandusky, OH. He married in New York City in October, 1846, "right off the boat" according to family info. His wife, Bridget Claven, was born in Ireland. If the family info is correct, they possibly met on the boat, which therefore must have sailed first to Ireland from Germany and they to NY. He brought with him a clavichord, a small keyboard instrument which was an ancestor of the piano. Perhaps the info about the route of the boat and the musical instrument might suggest additional leads for research, but I am at a complete loss to know how to proceed. I have already researched at the usual sources, e.g. LDS, censuses, marriage/death/cemetery records, newspapers, records for his children, etc. but no leads there. If anyone has any suggestions how I can use info about the ship route or the fact that he must have had a musical background in Germany as research leads, I would be very appreciative. He moved 1849/1850 to Sandusky, OH, where he owned a grocery business and did not follow a career in music. Thank you very much for any research suggestions at all. Paul C. Miller

Hello Everyone: I have hit the "brick wall" trying to find the name of the home town of my gggrandfather, Henry J. Lotz. The only info I have comes from American sources. His was born 8 June 1815 in Hesse and he died 18 October 1887 in Sandusky, OH. He married in New York City in October, 1846, "right off the boat" according to family info. His wife, Bridget Claven, was born in Ireland. If the family info is correct, they possibly met on the boat, which therefore must have sailed first to Ireland from Germany and they to NY. He brought with him a clavichord, a small keyboard instrument which was an ancestor of the piano. Perhaps the info about the route of the boat and the musical instrument might suggest additional leads for research, but I am at a complete loss to know how to proceed. I have already researched at the usual sources, e.g. LDS, censuses, marriage/death/cemetery records, newspapers, records for his children, etc. but no leads there. If anyone has any suggestions how I can use info about the ship route or the fact that he must have had a musical background in Germany as research leads, I would be very appreciative. He moved 1849/1850 to Sandusky, OH, where he owned a grocery business and did not follow a career in music. Thank you very much for any research suggestions at all. Paul C. Miller

Thank you for some clarifying information. I, too, am trying to locate a place of origin for my one of my German families who I believe came from Hessen. My question is Are any of these books published/translated in English? Or is there a website for information in English? I have tried to read some of the informaiton that has been translated by Google and other search engines and have been more confused than anything when it translates proper names into ordinary words. In the US Census the family I am tracing lists Hessen-Cassel as country of origin in the 1850 and 1860, then to Prussia in 1870. The family was Catholic, so that might help in narrowing down the parrish or area, but unfortunately I am not as aquainted with German history/geography as I am the US. Any other information would be appreciated. Diether Caspritz <caspritz@gmx.de> wrote: Betty, I agree with your statements and I think what you wrote about your search is an encouraging example of what persistence can achieve. In today's previous mail to the list I gave some hints that may help to collect more information and be successful in the long run. Now to your question: Emigration records from Lorri's ancestor's time if existent are at the archive for Hessen-Kassel: Staatsarchiv Marburg: www.staatsarchiv-marburg.hessen.de I found on the internet that they have also published the following books on emigration from Hessen-Kassel: Auerbach, Inge Franz,G. Frohlich,O.: HETRINA, HEss TRuppen Im Amerikanischen Unabhangigkeitskrieg (Hessian Troops in the American War of Independence) Auerbach, Inge: HESAUS Hessische Auswanderer Bd1 Hanau 18.Jh, Bd2 Hessen-Kassel 1840-50 (Hessian Emigrants Vol 1 Hanau, Vol. 2 Hessen-Kassel 1840-1850) Auerbach, Inge: Auswanderung aus Kurhessen, Nach Osten oder Westen? (Emigration from Kurhessen, East or West?) I may have access to the last book sometime next week and will have a look for Heinrich Schmidt. In US, Palentine, and Alsace-Lorriane: Hergenroether/Harkenrider, Holzinger, Kinder, Crum, Geeting/Guthing, Sonner/Sanner, Eberly, Ambrose, Mattias/Matthews In US: Eddingfield, Byrd, , Besser, Correll/Gorell, Douglass, Vail, Cartwright, McCorkle, Bevins, Ruddle, Cailey, Rodeheffer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Good morning M. do you have a given name too? In the film "Houseboat" with Sofia Loren you find the term shortcut and later the term shortcutting the shortcut. With your e-mail you may have saved 1 and one half seconds you can use for other things!! The name ORTZ is registered 30 times in the German Phone Guide, compareable with the "Switchboard" in USA. It should be the best when you try to trace backwards to find the orign of the family of your husband. If you want I send a copy of the guide print to you. Than you can write to one or two persons in Germany and ask who is doing the family research in their family. The family researchers in Germany are mostly oldfashioned people and they want to learn who is on the other side of the line. The pity is that a reverse help is extremely seldom but happens. Awaiting your answer. Best wishes Hans Hartmut Schuessler Diplom Ingenieur + Familiengeschichtsforscher (Hobby Researcher) Sudetenstrasse 22 D-65239 Hochheim am Main Familienarchive Schuessler und Veerhoff Familienarchive Staehler und Wurmbach 06146 - 4183 0172 - 8032648

Most of my German ancestors followed your naming pattern. There were some exceptions. My grandfather born in Germany was named for both grandfathers. In the US my family has several named for both grandfathers. Lois In a message dated 2/23/2005 12:01:19 AM Central Standard Time, HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Could someone tell me if this naming tradition is accurate for Germans in the 17 and 1800's? If not could you tell me what was the general rule? Also there is the 2nd name. I have a lot of Johann with various 2nd names in the same family. Any info would be appreciated. First daughter - paternal grandmother Second daughter - maternal grandmother Third daughter - mother Fourth daughter - (named for father, wonder if they thought there would never be a boy) First son - paternal grandfather Second son - maternal grandfather Third son - father

I have been told by my in-laws that ORTZ is a German surname but no one knows for certain and trying to trace the ORTZ family tree has been extremely difficult. I did find one of the ancestors listed as ORTS. Can anyone clear this up for me? M ORTZ ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

back on the list. New information on Margaretha BERG. my GG passenger list: Margaretha BERG ae 21, arrived 21 Jul 1846, origin Hesse, ship Brig Rebecca same voyage: Leonard BERG Lorenz BERG ae 4 origin Bavaria Margaretha BERG ae 22 Hesfia ( Hesse?) I am still without her village / town, she was born June 1826, Hesse Darmstadt, married in New York to Bavarian Jean Adam MAYER/ MOYER Nov.1847 in Rome, NY, he immigrated 1840. He was from Schweisweiler, NARA has no naturalization for her. My best hope is to match some birthdates. I do not know if they were a couple / friends before immigrating. Her parents and siblings are unknown. I thank you for the post. Any comments welcomed. Grayce in PA USA

I am researching the family of Christian Grass/Grasz who came to America in 1840. I do not know the name of the ship. He was born Apr 20, 1810 in Hesse Cassel: Married June 30 1833 in Besse H NAS/PRSS to Anne Elisabeth Suehne. He died in Frohna, Perry Co, Mo in August 1868 In Salt Lake, Utah Morman records I found in the German records a birth of a boy to Christian and Anne but he evidently died before they came to the US. How can I find out this information? The father of Christian Grass was Johann Ernst Grass born Aug 9, 1775 in Landau, Waldeck H NSS/PRSS: Died Mar 31, 1834 in Besse buried in unknown cemetery. The mother of Christian Grass was Elisabeth Tromm born Feb 8, 1755 Besse , Germany died Jan 7, 1834 in Besse buried in unknown cemetery. Any further information on this family would be very much appreciated. If there are any living members of the family who will get in touch we would love it. Joseph and Marilyn Ramey

Hello all! I am new to the list and would like to post my information. I am researching the BERG-PHUFF(PFUFF)-HIEDERHOLD-HENKEL lines. There are a few other names but I am having problems deciphering them. My BERG line is the main line and the others are connected by marriage. This is the info I have: 1.) Johannes BERG m. Anna Martha FROLICH 1a.) Johann Jakob BERG b. Mar 10 1724 Kenuthshausen(sp.) 2.) Johann Jakob BERG ( 1a. above) m. Anna Elisabeth BASTIAN Oct 6 1752 Appenfeld. 2a.) Johann Heinrich BERG 3.) Johann Heinrich BERG ( 2a.above) b. Sep 16 1753 m. Anna Elisabeth MOLLEN 3a.) Johannes BERG 4.) Johannes BERG ( 3a.above) b. Mar 24 1782 in Gberappenfeld (sp.) m. Anna Christina GRUTHEIL ( sp.) 4a.) Konrad BERG 5.) Konrad BERG ( 4a. above) b. Jan 3 1830 Hergedsfeld (sp.) m. Aug 28 1852, Elisabeth HIEDERHOLD in Hergershausen 5a.) Edward Heinrich BERG 6.) Edward Heinrich BERG ( 5a. above) b. Aug 1 1857 in Hebel m. 9 Mar 1883 Anna Catharina PFUFF(PFAFF) (sp.?) in Schenklenfeld, Hesse 6a.) Edward Allen BERG *** I have a copy of his Declaration of Intent to become a citizen of the United States of America. Dated 16 Feb 1891, Wayne Co., MI USA 7.) Edward Allen BERG Sr. b. 26 Sep 1895, Detroit, Wayne Co., MI USA m. Alice LAMB 25 Dec 1916 Hogansville, Presque Isle Co., MI USA 7a.) Edward Allen BERG Jr. 8.) Edward Allen BERG Jr. b. 6 Feb 1918, m. Cozetta Fay WICKERSHAM d. 10 Dec 1969 I have just recently gotten some of this translated so its still kind of sketchy so please bear with me :-) If anyone has ANY information on these families or even the areas they were in ( or if I have misspelled something) I would GREATLY appreciate hearing from you. Thanks in advance Stephanie

Lorri, I am puzzled. I have seen the following mails from you: ------------------------------------------------------------ 1st mail to HESSE-L@rootsweb.com: Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 6:56 PM Subject: Schmidt-Smith ... I am searching HENRY SCHMIDT b. 1838 from Hesse cASSELL HE CAME TO usa ABT 1857? He lived all his life in Phila, Pa. I am trying to find the town he came from? Lorri ------------------------------------------------------- 2nd mail to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-L@rootsweb.com: Sent: 20.02.2005 02:12 Subject: Schmidt-Smith I am searching for HENRY SCHMIDT-SMITH from Germany immig. 1848 occ. Tailor age abt 20 lived all his life inPhila Pa. CAME from Hesse Kastle Thank you for aNY HELP Lorri ----------------------------------------------------- My question: are both mails describing the same person? Diether

Dear Diether Would you have time to look in the below-mentioned book, for information on the family of William Neussel? Wilhelm Neussel/Neusel. I have been looking for infornation about him for 20 years. (I wonder if he went by a different forename?) He came to America in about 1853-1855. I have much information on him after 1860. There is nothing in his military records to indicate a village or town in which he was born. Just, "Hesse". Thank you Alexandra / Auerbach, Inge: Auswanderung aus Kurhessen, Nach Osten oder Westen? (Emigration from Kurhessen, East or West?) I may have access to the last book sometime next week and will have a look for Heinrich Schmidt./

The Family History Library has microfilms of marriage protocols for Gelnhausen which most probably also include those of the surrounding villages. Aufenau is only about 7 miles northeast of Gelnhausen. These are wonderfully informative records. Some are difficult to read, though. You can order them into your nearest Family History Center. See my web site for an example of a marriage protocol/contract. Sue Foster http://hometown.aol.com/ufoster442/index.html

I received this from another list and thought it might be of interest to help young people learn about their ancestry. Please pass this on. Thank you and have a great day Elaine Hello Everyone, I am the new coordinator for KidzGenWeb at _http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgwkidz/index.htm. _ (http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgwkidz/index.htm. ) This site has been around for a while now, but has not been pushed very hard. I need your help getting it out. This site is for children and teens so that they are able to post surnames, queries and class room genealogy projects so that other children/teens or adults may be able to help them with their search. Only children can post surnames and queries, however, adult researchers can answer the queries or post helpful hints. This link is being forwarded by fellow researchers like yourself to schools and libraries as well. Please be so kind to post this link to your county page(s) and/or list groups. Thank you for your time and help. Angela DiBlasi USGenWeb for Kidz www.rootsweb.com/~usgwkidz/index.htm Alexander County ILGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~ilalexan/alexander.htm Crawford County ILGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~ilcrawfo/index.htm Jasper County ILGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~iljasper/ Ripley County INGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~inripley/ Lewis County MoGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~molewis/ ==== TX-CENSUS-LOOKUP Mailing List ==== Free Soundex code converter http://resources.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/soundexconverter ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx ==== MCDOWELL Mailing List ==== to subscribe McDowell-l-request@rootsweb.com leave subject line blank, subscribe ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Could someone tell me if this naming tradition is accurate for Germans in the 17 and 1800's? If not could you tell me what was the general rule? Also there is the 2nd name. I have a lot of Johann with various 2nd names in the same family. Any info would be appreciated. First daughter - paternal grandmother Second daughter - maternal grandmother Third daughter - mother Fourth daughter - (named for father, wonder if they thought there would never be a boy) First son - paternal grandfather Second son - maternal grandfather Third son - father Barbara Forsey Schildwacther Family Los Angeles

Betty, I agree with your statements and I think what you wrote about your search is an encouraging example of what persistence can achieve. In today's previous mail to the list I gave some hints that may help to collect more information and be successful in the long run. Now to your question: Emigration records from Lorri's ancestor's time if existent are at the archive for Hessen-Kassel: Staatsarchiv Marburg: www.staatsarchiv-marburg.hessen.de I found on the internet that they have also published the following books on emigration from Hessen-Kassel: Auerbach, Inge Franz,G. Frohlich,O.: HETRINA, HEss TRuppen Im Amerikanischen Unabhangigkeitskrieg (Hessian Troops in the American War of Independence) Auerbach, Inge: HESAUS Hessische Auswanderer Bd1 Hanau 18.Jh, Bd2 Hessen-Kassel 1840-50 (Hessian Emigrants Vol 1 Hanau, Vol. 2 Hessen-Kassel 1840-1850) Auerbach, Inge: Auswanderung aus Kurhessen, Nach Osten oder Westen? (Emigration from Kurhessen, East or West?) I may have access to the last book sometime next week and will have a look for Heinrich Schmidt. Diether -----Original Message----- From: Betty Richardson [mailto:bkrich@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 3:25 PM To: Diether Caspritz; Liste, Hesse Cc: Betty Richardson; Phillylorri Subject: RE: Hessen-Cassel, was: HESSE-D Digest V05 #39 Diether, Thank-you for giving this information about Cassel/Kassel and Hessen-Kassel. I always am confused about the counties and the changes that went on historically and still am struggling to understand. Is the town/city of Kassel the county seat now of what would have been Hessen-Kassel back in Lorri's ancestor's time? Would there be emigration records there in an archive if Lori could find the town of her ancestor? I am a gentle person and my reply to Lorri (and others) of my own experience is not a negative response to your reply but only to let them know how I struggled for years (since 1960) to find my greatgreat grandfather's birthplace and then his father and mother's names and on back in our ancestry, but I never gave up and finally the clues I needed came only a year or so ago. Diether your responses are valuable and much appreciated. Keep them coming. Betty Diether Caspritz <caspritz@gmx.de> wrote: Betty, Cassel = old for Kassel, town in the northern part of Hessen, in the center of Germany. Hessen-Kassel was a county in the northern area of the current state of Hessen. 1803 the Landgrafschaft (county) Hessen-Kassel became the Kurfuerstentum (electorate) Hessen (Kurhessen), Kassel remained seat of power and capital. 1816 also the Fuerstbistum (prince bishopric) Fulda became part of Kurhessen. 1866 Hessen-Kassel became part of Preussen (Prussia) ... So Lorri is looking for Heinrich Schmidt in a large area. I did not mean to discourage her, but it is necessary to find out more information in order to be able to locate him. Is there a death record in the parish in Philly where he lived? The church records often give further information. What other given names did he have? At that time people in Hessen had two or more given names. With whom was he married. Did he marry in Germany? Immigrants often married people from their home area. Were there relatives or friends immigrating with him? They might give clues. Where did the people in his neighborhood in Philly come from? Hope to have given a few ideas of how to find out more on Henry and then may be able to locate him in Hessen-Kassel. Diether > From: Betty Richardson [mailto:bkrich@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 3:02 PM > > What county or Kreis is "Hesse Cassel" in? Is there an archivist there who maintains records of those who applied for > permission to leave the country in the 1850's? Some of the list members in Germany may know. This could be a source of > info for Lori looking for the Schmidt. She would have to either know the village her ancestor was from, or get help > from someone in Germany, or go there if there are some records being maintained...The archivists will give info if you > know the town and they can readily find it..Otherwise it is good to go and look for yourself. I just went to the county > or Kreis of Alsfeld regarding my ancestor from Storndorf and searched with the archivist's help. betty > > HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Web Site for HESSEN, GERMANY, is at > http://members.cox.net/hessen/index.htm > > Many towns in Germany have the same name! Add the 5-digit > zip code in front of the name! Zip codes explained, > http://members.cox.net/hessen/index.htm> > ______________________________ > > > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 07:27:35 -0800 > From: > To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Military record help > > Hello, > > I have a military discharge and I'm wondering where I can research to find out where this person actually served. Did > they generally stay around their home grounds? > > Here's the translation info I have; > Dukedon Nassau Brigade > > IInd Regiment > IInd Line Company > > Appointed First Lieutenant and Commander of the Dukedoms IInd Regiment, George Hefeld, knight of the Lowlands Kingly > Military Wilhelms-Ordens do herwith make known the following flank of the Dukedoms General Comman from the 28th of > January 1841 Number G.C. 146 Section 1, the soldier Johann George Dauer from Wisper district L; Scheyalbach, regarding > the merit of your service with the Dukedoms Military.......He is discharged from the Dukedoms Military Service since > the 1st of April 1835 under the number 25,165 of the main opened-book as soldier in the year 1835, Release No. 7 and he > had during that time served with honor. > > Any direction is greatly appreciated. > > Thank you > Julie Dauer > > ______________________________ > > > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:18:01 -0500 > From: Ed Maul > To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Hirstein/Franken? > > I've looked at the maps on the web and it appears that Hirstein/Franken is in the Rhine Palatinate. > searching for the surname SOMMER and the place to find it's district etc. > Thanks, > Ed > > > http://members.tripod.com/~Silvie/Schilling.html > > ______________________________ > > > ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:56:46 +0100 > From: "Diether Caspritz" > To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: Schmidt-Smith > > Lorri, > > Schmidt is a very common name in Germany and also in Hessen, > so without further information you are looking for the proverbial > needle in the hay stack. > > I think his German given name must have been Heinrich and > being from Hessen Cassel his confession must have been > lutheran protestant. > > Without further information it is very unlikely to find him. > > Diether (Caspritz) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: phillylorri [mailto:phillylorri@earthlink.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 6:56 PM > > To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Schmidt-Smith > > > > > > Hi I am new to this list, I am searching HENRY SCHMIDT b. 1838 > > from Hesse cASSELL HE CAME TO usa ABT 1857? He lived all his life in Phila > > Pa. I am trying to find the town he came from? > > Lorri

Dear Listers, My great grandfather was CONRAD KOLB, born 1829 in Aufenau bei Aschaffenburg, Bavaria (also, Unterfranken, Baiern and Orb Franken jetz Prussen) His wife was Catherina KOCH, born 1828 in Gelnhausen. She was the daughter of JOHANN WERNER KOCH and CHRISTINA NIX of Gelnhausen. JOHANN WERNER KOCH, born 1790 in Gelnhausen and CHRISTINA NIX born 1785 in Gelnhausen were married 1835 in Gelnhausen. He was the son of CASPAR KOCH and ANNA MARIA REPP and she the daughter of JOHANN ADAM NIX and CATHARINA WEBER of Aufenau. I have been told that all these places are in Hesse. My great grandparents, CONRAD and CATHERINA (KOCH) KOLB had a child in Gelnhausen 1848-1849 and were in Louisville, Kentucky in 1849 - 1850. A "Sponsor" at the birth of their child in 1848-49 in Gelnhausen was Katharina Kolb, unmarried daughter of Adam Kolb of Aufenau. They were Evangelical. I would very much appreciate any suggestions on finding my KOLB, KOCH, and other families. Are there researcheres in that area of Hessen? Thank you, Bill Kolb Louisville, KY

Hi, Diether, is 100% correct. Before you can do genealogy you need to determine the village, town, or city the lived in; the variant way their name was spelled, and their religion. German research is no easy! Hesse-Kessel is very large, and your odds of finding them is slim to null. What details do you have on the person you are looking for? Carol Elk Grove, CA -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Schroy [mailto:baschr@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 3:33 PM To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HESSE] RE: Hessen-Cassel Lorri, I will check the Hessische Auswanderer for you next time I go to the library. That is where I found the name of the town that my Hessian ancestors came from. Barb Diether Caspritz <caspritz@gmx.de> wrote: Betty, I agree with your statements and I think what you wrote about your search is an encouraging example of what persistence can achieve. In today's previous mail to the list I gave some hints that may help to collect more information and be successful in the long run. Now to your question: Emigration records from Lorri's ancestor's time if existent are at the archive for Hessen-Kassel: Staatsarchiv Marburg: www.staatsarchiv-marburg.hessen.de I found on the internet that they have also published the following books on emigration from Hessen-Kassel: Auerbach, Inge Franz,G. Frohlich,O.: HETRINA, HEss TRuppen Im Amerikanischen Unabhangigkeitskrieg (Hessian Troops in the American War of Independence) Auerbach, Inge: HESAUS Hessische Auswanderer Bd1 Hanau 18.Jh, Bd2 Hessen-Kassel 1840-50 (Hessian Emigrants Vol 1 Hanau, Vol. 2 Hessen-Kassel 1840-1850) Auerbach, Inge: Auswanderung aus Kurhessen, Nach Osten oder Westen? (Emigration from Kurhessen, East or West?) I may have access to the last book sometime next week and will have a look for Heinrich Schmidt. Diether -----Original Message----- From: Betty Richardson [mailto:bkrich@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 3:25 PM To: Diether Caspritz; Liste, Hesse Cc: Betty Richardson; Phillylorri Subject: RE: Hessen-Cassel, was: HESSE-D Digest V05 #39 Diether, Thank-you for giving this information about Cassel/Kassel and Hessen-Kassel. I always am confused about the counties and the changes that went on historically and still am struggling to understand. Is the town/city of Kassel the county seat now of what would have been Hessen-Kassel back in Lorri's ancestor's time? Would there be emigration records there in an archive if Lori could find the town of her ancestor? I am a gentle person and my reply to Lorri (and others) of my own experience is not a negative response to your reply but only to let them know how I struggled for years (since 1960) to find my greatgreat grandfather's birthplace and then his father and mother's names and on back in our ancestry, but I never gave up and finally the clues I needed came only a year or so ago. Diether your responses are valuable and much appreciated. Keep them coming. Betty Diether Caspritz wrote: Betty, Cassel = old for Kassel, town in the northern part of Hessen, in the center of Germany. Hessen-Kassel was a county in the northern area of the current state of Hessen. 1803 the Landgrafschaft (county) Hessen-Kassel became the Kurfuerstentum (electorate) Hessen (Kurhessen), Kassel remained seat of power and capital. 1816 also the Fuerstbistum (prince bishopric) Fulda became part of Kurhessen. 1866 Hessen-Kassel became part of Preussen (Prussia) ... So Lorri is looking for Heinrich Schmidt in a large area. I did not mean to discourage her, but it is necessary to find out more information in order to be able to locate him. Is there a death record in the parish in Philly where he lived? The church records often give further information. What other given names did he have? At that time people in Hessen had two or more given names. With whom was he married. Did he marry in Germany? Immigrants often married people from their home area. Were there relatives or friends immigrating with him? They might give clues. Where did the people in his neighborhood in Philly come from? Hope to have given a few ideas of how to find out more on Henry and then may be able to locate him in Hessen-Kassel. Diether > From: Betty Richardson [mailto:bkrich@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 3:02 PM > > What county or Kreis is "Hesse Cassel" in? Is there an archivist there who maintains records of those who applied for > permission to leave the country in the 1850's? Some of the list members in Germany may know. This could be a source of > info for Lori looking for the Schmidt. She would have to either know the village her ancestor was from, or get help > from someone in Germany, or go there if there are some records being maintained...The archivists will give info if you > know the town and they can readily find it..Otherwise it is good to go and look for yourself. I just went to the county > or Kreis of Alsfeld regarding my ancestor from Storndorf and searched with the archivist's help. betty > > HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Web Site for HESSEN, GERMANY, is at > http://members.cox.net/hessen/index.htm > > Many towns in Germany have the same name! Add the 5-digit > zip code in front of the name! Zip codes explained, > http://members.cox.net/hessen/index.htm> > ______________________________ > > > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 07:27:35 -0800 > From: > To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Military record help > > Hello, > > I have a military discharge and I'm wondering where I can research to find out where this person actually served. Did > they generally stay around their home grounds? > > Here's the translation info I have; > Dukedon Nassau Brigade > > IInd Regiment > IInd Line Company > > Appointed First Lieutenant and Commander of the Dukedoms IInd Regiment, George Hefeld, knight of the Lowlands Kingly > Military Wilhelms-Ordens do herwith make known the following flank of the Dukedoms General Comman from the 28th of > January 1841 Number G.C. 146 Section 1, the soldier Johann George Dauer from Wisper district L; Scheyalbach, regarding > the merit of your service with the Dukedoms Military.......He is discharged from the Dukedoms Military Service since > the 1st of April 1835 under the number 25,165 of the main opened-book as soldier in the year 1835, Release No. 7 and he > had during that time served with honor. > > Any direction is greatly appreciated. > > Thank you > Julie Dauer > > ______________________________ > > > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:18:01 -0500 > From: Ed Maul > To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Hirstein/Franken? > > I've looked at the maps on the web and it appears that Hirstein/Franken is in the Rhine Palatinate. > searching for the surname SOMMER and the place to find it's district etc. > Thanks, > Ed > > > http://members.tripod.com/~Silvie/Schilling.html > > ______________________________ > > > ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:56:46 +0100 > From: "Diether Caspritz" > To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: Schmidt-Smith > > Lorri, > > Schmidt is a very common name in Germany and also in Hessen, > so without further information you are looking for the proverbial > needle in the hay stack. > > I think his German given name must have been Heinrich and > being from Hessen Cassel his confession must have been > lutheran protestant. > > Without further information it is very unlikely to find him. > > Diether (Caspritz) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: phillylorri [mailto:phillylorri@earthlink.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 6:56 PM > > To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Schmidt-Smith > > > > > > Hi I am new to this list, I am searching HENRY SCHMIDT b. 1838 > > from Hesse cASSELL HE CAME TO usa ABT 1857? He lived all his life in Phila > > Pa. I am trying to find the town he came from? > > Lorri ==== HESSE Mailing List ==== Many towns in Germany have the same name! Add the 5-digit zip code in front of the name! Zip codes explained, http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm ______________________________