Sorry, I sent this to the wrong recipient. ----- Original Message ----- From: "pascalfl" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] HADIS and luck (was RE: "Loritz" Darmstadt) >I went back and reviewed the baptismal record for Eva Schachner. She was > born 24 Aug 1841, her father was Adam Schachner, her mother was Anna > Maria, > but I'm not certain of her last name. Eva may not be a child of this > couple so please don't consider that to be fact. I am sending a copy of > the > name to my friend in Germany to see if he can determine the last name or > what it says. > > Nancy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 12:27 PM > Subject: Re: [HESSE] HADIS and luck (was RE: "Loritz" Darmstadt) > > >> >> In a message dated 2/26/2009 11:50:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> Genev is a rather rare surname, >> >> >> Brian: Don't forget in the area were settlements with the French >> Huguenots. >> And Romans before that and in South.Hessen according to the >> Hessen Archiv >> the Austrian Exultants Luth.settled there also before 1699 >> when >> the Huguenots came. >> Just a thought. Doris. >> **************Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in >> your >> neighborhood today. >> (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I went back and reviewed the baptismal record for Eva Schachner. She was born 24 Aug 1841, her father was Adam Schachner, her mother was Anna Maria, but I'm not certain of her last name. Eva may not be a child of this couple so please don't consider that to be fact. I am sending a copy of the name to my friend in Germany to see if he can determine the last name or what it says. Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] HADIS and luck (was RE: "Loritz" Darmstadt) > > In a message dated 2/26/2009 11:50:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Genev is a rather rare surname, > > > Brian: Don't forget in the area were settlements with the French > Huguenots. > And Romans before that and in South.Hessen according to the > Hessen Archiv > the Austrian Exultants Luth.settled there also before 1699 when > the Huguenots came. > Just a thought. Doris. > **************Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in > your > neighborhood today. > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks very much for the clarification. I'll adjust my files accordingly. Vielen Dank! :-) Don ___________________ Hi Don. There are two different Eberstadt, one being in the region called Rheingau, west of the capital of Hessen, Wiesbaden (former capital of the duchy of Nassau, whereof the Rheingau was a part). The other Eberstadt is close to Darmstadt, and today a part of Darmstadt indeed. The Eberstadt close to Wiesbaden (in the Rheingau) is very popular for its very old convent which was very rich in the later middle-ages. This convent, however, is not to be confused with the convent of Lorsch, which saw its florison in the early middleages during the period of the Carolingiens from about 800 until about 1000. Then it decayed and was finally taken over by the Archbishop of Mainz around 1236. Regards, Thierry

In a message dated 2/26/2009 11:50:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Genev is a rather rare surname, Brian: Don't forget in the area were settlements with the French Huguenots. And Romans before that and in South.Hessen according to the Hessen Archiv the Austrian Exultants Luth.settled there also before 1699 when the Huguenots came. Just a thought. Doris. **************Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004)

Looking for any furher information from Germany. I have pretty much documented the family of John in New York. The information that I have: John Frederick Engel (Americanized of course) born 1841 in Asmushausen, Hessen-Kassel Parents: Iustus Engel & Dor. Maria Kreiser Occupation: Tailor I was told that he emmigrated on the ship "Elbe" in 1864. I have looked for that record. The Elbe came to NY twice that year. The first time was in January and the manifest is totally unreadable, just light scratches on the paper. The second time, if I remember correctly, was June. He was definitely not on that manifest. On his daughter's baptismal certificate, one of her godmothers was a Miss Catharina Engel. I think possibly it may be John's sister. If anyone has any additional information it would be most welcome. Thanks, Bobbi * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "Genealogy begins as an interest, becomes a hobby, later a secondary employment, grows to be an obsession, and in the last stage is an incurable disease." Anonymus * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

I'm lucky. If it weren't for bad luck, though, I'd have no luck at all. HADIS hasn't digitized very much of the data in their archives, have they? Fortunately I've traced a good part of my Hessian family. Sadly, though I'm stuck on a soldier who was stationed not far from Assenheim in Hanau, in 1774, and all I have is his commanding captain's name for his company, I think. Although Genev is a rather rare surname, and I originally thought it was a reference to a Swiss military outfit, but the text just doesn't fit for that. Brian On Thu, February 26, 2009 9:11 am, Thierry Dietrich wrote: > If you confirm (to) me first name, last name, date and location of birth, > date of emigration, etc. then I could have a quick look on HADIS online for > you. May be you're lucky.

There you go thinking in English when translating German. I'm sure you meant to say "free-county" not county-free". also, I doubt you'd hear the second "t" in stadt by a native speaker. More likely it'd be a very hard "d". Of course, some native speaker will correct me, if I'm wrong. It's been a long time since I've heard my grandmother's speech. But then technically she was French. But she'd tell you she was neither French (Hmmph) nor German. She was an Alsatian! Hmphh! On Wed, February 25, 2009 11:08 am, Don Watson wrote: > ... Darmstadt, a major city with the status of a county (Kreisfreie Stadt, > pronounced Cryes-frya Stahdt). Kreisfreie means county-free. A Landkreis > (lahnd-cryes) in Germany is roughly the same as a county in the United > States, since it exists inside the larger federal administrative district, > which in turn exists inside the State, and the State inside the Nation. > There are 16 German states. Today anyway. Once upon a time there were many, many, more. Maybe even hundreds. ;) Odd to see such precise data in a US census. My German immigrant ancestors' place of birth changed back forth all over the German map over time. Brian

A friend of mine sent me this. Perhaps it will help others searching for emigration records from Hesse. And thanks to Theirry Dietrich for all the wonderful information he provides. "you are right, the birthplace of Peter Anton Schachner is Lorsch, a neighbour town of Bensheim. I have found the proof: Peter Anton Schachner is listed as emigrant in 1839, birthplace Lorsch, emigrated with family. Here is the link to Hesse State Archiv, where you can search: www.hadis.hessen.de . Typing in the field "Schnellsuche" Schachner Lorsch you will receive 4 matches. The right one is "Auswanderer-Nachweise": Schachner, Peter Anton, Herkunft: Lorsch. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1839-06 / Ziel: Amerika, USA. - Bemerkungen: mit Familie." Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Phipps" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt > Thierry, > would these papers be archived in the town/village of emigration, or in a > larger, centrally located city? > thanks! > Cindy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 12:22 PM > Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt > > > In earlier times the citizen of a country "belonged" to the souveraign. > They > didn't have a passport or the permission to leave the country. > > Thus they had two options, either breaching law by trying to illegally > emigrate with the risk of getting caught and being jailed and the risk > that > staying relatives were punished instead. Alternatively you had to apply > for > emigration. Usually this included that you needed to pay a certain sum, so > you kind of "baught" yourself out. > > These applications and their responses (they were not always granted) > usually are still available in archives and may help you identify the > origin > of your ancestors. > > Cheers, Thierry > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Dr. Dietrich, I found the following for one of my uncles: Identifikation Titel HORNUNG Heinrich, Herkunft: Grob Zimnern-Im. 1846-04/ ziel Amerika USA Alter/geb.$ (?) Bemerkungen: mit famile Ausgewandert, Quelle: Ausevandererkarei Laufzeit 1846 Walter Moller also at the same time Valentin Hornung Thank you for your help Marie Van Laeys ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Most likely in the Hessisches Staatsarchiv Darmstadt. You may be lucky and find summaries of documents online under http://www.hadis.hessen.de If you confirm me first name, last name, date and location of birth, date of emigration, etc. then I could have a quick look on HADIS online for you. May be you're lucky. Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: Cindy Phipps <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 26. Februar 2009, 13:59:21 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Thierry, would these papers be archived in the town/village of emigration, or in a larger, centrally located city? thanks! Cindy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt In earlier times the citizen of a country "belonged" to the souveraign. They didn't have a passport or the permission to leave the country. Thus they had two options, either breaching law by trying to illegally emigrate with the risk of getting caught and being jailed and the risk that staying relatives were punished instead. Alternatively you had to apply for emigration. Usually this included that you needed to pay a certain sum, so you kind of "baught" yourself out. These applications and their responses (they were not always granted) usually are still available in archives and may help you identify the origin of your ancestors. Cheers, Thierry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thierry, would these papers be archived in the town/village of emigration, or in a larger, centrally located city? thanks! Cindy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt In earlier times the citizen of a country "belonged" to the souveraign. They didn't have a passport or the permission to leave the country. Thus they had two options, either breaching law by trying to illegally emigrate with the risk of getting caught and being jailed and the risk that staying relatives were punished instead. Alternatively you had to apply for emigration. Usually this included that you needed to pay a certain sum, so you kind of "baught" yourself out. These applications and their responses (they were not always granted) usually are still available in archives and may help you identify the origin of your ancestors. Cheers, Thierry

Hi Don. There are two different Eberstadt, one being in the region called Rheingau, west of the capital of Hessen, Wiesbaden (former capital of the duchy of Nassau, whereof the Rheingau was a part). The other Eberstadt is close to Darmstadt, and today a part of Darmstadt indeed. The Eberstadt close to Wiesbaden (in the Rheingau) is very popular for its very old convent which was very rich in the later middle-ages. This convent, however, is not to be confused with the convent of Lorsch, which saw its florison in the early middleages during the period of the Carolingiens from about 800 until about 1000. Then it decayed and was finally taken over by the Archbishop of Mainz around 1236. Regards, Thierry ________________________________ Von: Don Watson <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 25. Februar 2009, 18:08:16 Uhr Betreff: [HESSE] Lorsch, near Eberstadt, Bensheim, et al "The town of Eberstadt, then called Eberstadt im Rheingau, is first mentioned in 782, when a certain Walther, along with his wife, Williswinde, gave their entire property to the Lorsch Convent." This is the first recorded entry of Eberstadt in the land of the Hesse, whose earliest recorded ancestors were probably the "Chatten," a Germanic folk in existence over 2,000 years ago. Eberstadt has since been absorbed by Darmstadt, a major city with the status of a county (Kreisfreie Stadt, pronounced Cryes-frya Stahdt). Kreisfreie means county-free. A Landkreis (lahnd-cryes) in Germany is roughly the same as a county in the United States, since it exists inside the larger federal administrative district, which in turn exists inside the State, and the State inside the Nation. There are 16 German states. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In earlier times the citizen of a country "belonged" to the souveraign. They didn't have a passport or the permission to leave the country. Thus they had two options, either breaching law by trying to illegally emigrate with the risk of getting caught and being jailed and the risk that staying relatives were punished instead. Alternatively you had to apply for emigration. Usually this included that you needed to pay a certain sum, so you kind of "baught" yourself out. These applications and their responses (they were not always granted) usually are still available in archives and may help you identify the origin of your ancestors. Cheers, Thierry   ________________________________ Von: Cindy Phipps <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 25. Februar 2009, 17:01:36 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Hello, list! Nancy's response mentioned  an "application to emigrate".  can anyone give me some more information about these applications?  Thank you in advance, Cindy Phipps ----- Original Message ----- From: "pascalfl" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Thanks Joel, I just got  a message back from a contact in Germany.  He found Peter Anton Schachner's application to emigrate dated in 1839 and his residence is reported as "Lorsch" which is a small town near Bensheim.  I am trying to connect those Schachner's in St. Louis with my Schachner line.  It's not that common of a name with that spelling.  Maybe the enumerator wrote it the way it sounded which, in German, could have sounded much different. Thanks for taking the time to reply. Nancy > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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"The town of Eberstadt, then called Eberstadt im Rheingau, is first mentioned in 782, when a certain Walther, along with his wife, Williswinde, gave their entire property to the Lorsch Convent." This is the first recorded entry of Eberstadt in the land of the Hesse, whose earliest recorded ancestors were probably the "Chatten," a Germanic folk in existence over 2,000 years ago. Eberstadt has since been absorbed by Darmstadt, a major city with the status of a county (Kreisfreie Stadt, pronounced Cryes-frya Stahdt). Kreisfreie means county-free. A Landkreis (lahnd-cryes) in Germany is roughly the same as a county in the United States, since it exists inside the larger federal administrative district, which in turn exists inside the State, and the State inside the Nation. There are 16 German states.

Hello, list! Nancy's response mentioned an "application to emigrate". can anyone give me some more information about these applications? Thank you in advance, Cindy Phipps ----- Original Message ----- From: "pascalfl" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Thanks Joel, I just got a message back from a contact in Germany. He found Peter Anton Schachner's application to emigrate dated in 1839 and his residence is reported as "Lorsch" which is a small town near Bensheim. I am trying to connect those Schachner's in St. Louis with my Schachner line. It's not that common of a name with that spelling. Maybe the enumerator wrote it the way it sounded which, in German, could have sounded much different. Thanks for taking the time to reply. Nancy >

lat. indeed stands for latin.  :-)   Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich Bartholomäus-Arnoldi-Straße 22 D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: Cindy Phipps <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Dienstag, den 24. Februar 2009, 15:02:27 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] Need help with symbols in Familienbuch Dr. Dietrich, in the second group of translations you provided, what does "lat." mean? Thank you! CindyPhipps ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Need help with symbols in Familienbuch * = Birth ~ = Baptisation (?) not sure what the english term is for that... oo = marriage Ioo = first marriage IIoo = second marriage square (rectangle) = funeral cross = death Actually most are quite logic, common conventions, easy to learn and very helpful in lists when only followed by the according date. morti = lat. dead (singular, genetivum) sepulti = lat. buried (singular, genetivum) prolis = lat. offspring, scion (singular, genetivum) viduus = lat. widower Hope that helps. Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: RAL1 <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Montag, den 23. Februar 2009, 21:36:42 Uhr Betreff: [HESSE] Need help with symbols in Familienbuch Can someone please tell me what these symbols mean: */~, oo, cross/square, Ioo, IIoo. Also the words "viduus, viduus ex, morti/sepulti prolis. Thanks, Bob Lohmar ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nancy, Yes, I saw Lorsch and wondered about it. Looking more closely Kleinhausen is near there too. Joel At 05:56 PM 2/24/2009, pascalfl wrote: >Thanks Joel, > >I just got a message back from a contact in Germany. He found Peter Anton >Schachner's application to emigrate dated in 1839 and his residence is >reported as "Lorsch" which is a small town near Bensheim. I am trying to >connect those Schachner's in St. Louis with my Schachner line. It's not >that common of a name with that spelling. Maybe the enumerator wrote it the >way it sounded which, in German, could have sounded much different. > >Thanks for taking the time to reply. > >Nancy > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Joel S. Russell" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:53 PM >Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt > > >Nancy, > >Using Google Earth I found a location called >Loritz just south of the city of Darmstadt near Seeheim. > >I took a look at the census and see that his wife >lists that she is from Kleinhausen. I've not >found that in Hesse-Darmstadt either. > >Joel >http://www.rafert.org/home > > > > > >At 04:17 PM 2/24/2009, you wrote: > >1860 Census - St. Louis, MO lists Peter Anton SCHACHNER - place of birth > >"Loritz" Darmstadt and in his naturalization paper (1848) he renounces his > >allegiance to "the Grand Duke of Hesse Darmstadt". > > > >I'm trying to figure out where this is. There is a Loritz in Wurt. but > >that's not in Hessen. > > > >Nancy > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:36 PM > >Subject: Re: [HESSE] Need help with symbols in Familienbuch > > > > > >lat. indeed stands for latin. :-) > > > >Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich > >Bartholomäus-Arnoldi-Straße 22 > >D-61250 Usingen > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > >Von: Cindy Phipps <[email protected]> > >An: [email protected] > >Gesendet: Dienstag, den 24. Februar 2009, 15:02:27 Uhr > >Betreff: Re: [HESSE] Need help with symbols in Familienbuch > > > >Dr. Dietrich, > > > >in the second group of translations you provided, what does "lat." mean? > >Thank you! > > > >CindyPhipps > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:50 PM > >Subject: Re: [HESSE] Need help with symbols in Familienbuch > > > > > >* = Birth > >~ = Baptisation (?) not sure what the english term is for that... > >oo = marriage > >Ioo = first marriage > >IIoo = second marriage > >square (rectangle) = funeral > >cross = death > > > >Actually most are quite logic, common conventions, easy to learn and very > >helpful in lists when only followed by the according date. > > > >morti = lat. dead (singular, genetivum) > >sepulti = lat. buried (singular, genetivum) > >prolis = lat. offspring, scion (singular, genetivum) > >viduus = lat. widower > > > > > >Hope that helps. > > > >Regards, > > > >Thierry > > > >Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich > > > >D-61250 Usingen > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > >Von: RAL1 <[email protected]> > >An: [email protected] > >Gesendet: Montag, den 23. Februar 2009, 21:36:42 Uhr > >Betreff: [HESSE] Need help with symbols in Familienbuch > > > >Can someone please tell me what these symbols mean: > > > >*/~, oo, cross/square, Ioo, IIoo. Also the words "viduus, viduus ex, > >morti/sepulti prolis. > > > >Thanks, Bob Lohmar > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > >in > >the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > >in > >the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > >in > >the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > >in > >the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > >email to [email protected] with the > >word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > >subject and the body of the message > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >email to [email protected] with the >word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 2/24/2009 4:54:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Using Google Earth I found a location called > Loritz just south of the city of Darmstadt near Seeheim. > > I took a look at the census and see that his wife > lists that she is from Kleinhausen. I've not > found that in Hesse-Darmstadt either. > > Joel > http://www.rafert.org/home Hi, Kleinhausen is definitely there, near Bensheim or Heppenheim. Jim ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmp gID%3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62)

Thanks Joel, I just got a message back from a contact in Germany. He found Peter Anton Schachner's application to emigrate dated in 1839 and his residence is reported as "Lorsch" which is a small town near Bensheim. I am trying to connect those Schachner's in St. Louis with my Schachner line. It's not that common of a name with that spelling. Maybe the enumerator wrote it the way it sounded which, in German, could have sounded much different. Thanks for taking the time to reply. Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel S. Russell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Nancy, Using Google Earth I found a location called Loritz just south of the city of Darmstadt near Seeheim. I took a look at the census and see that his wife lists that she is from Kleinhausen. I've not found that in Hesse-Darmstadt either. Joel http://www.rafert.org/home At 04:17 PM 2/24/2009, you wrote: >1860 Census - St. Louis, MO lists Peter Anton SCHACHNER - place of birth >"Loritz" Darmstadt and in his naturalization paper (1848) he renounces his >allegiance to "the Grand Duke of Hesse Darmstadt". > >I'm trying to figure out where this is. There is a Loritz in Wurt. but >that's not in Hessen. > >Nancy > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:36 PM >Subject: Re: [HESSE] Need help with symbols in Familienbuch > > >lat. indeed stands for latin. :-) > >Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich >Bartholomäus-Arnoldi-Straße 22 >D-61250 Usingen > > > > >________________________________ >Von: Cindy Phipps <[email protected]> >An: [email protected] >Gesendet: Dienstag, den 24. Februar 2009, 15:02:27 Uhr >Betreff: Re: [HESSE] Need help with symbols in Familienbuch > >Dr. Dietrich, > >in the second group of translations you provided, what does "lat." mean? >Thank you! > >CindyPhipps > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:50 PM >Subject: Re: [HESSE] Need help with symbols in Familienbuch > > >* = Birth >~ = Baptisation (?) not sure what the english term is for that... >oo = marriage >Ioo = first marriage >IIoo = second marriage >square (rectangle) = funeral >cross = death > >Actually most are quite logic, common conventions, easy to learn and very >helpful in lists when only followed by the according date. > >morti = lat. dead (singular, genetivum) >sepulti = lat. buried (singular, genetivum) >prolis = lat. offspring, scion (singular, genetivum) >viduus = lat. widower > > >Hope that helps. > >Regards, > >Thierry > >Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich > >D-61250 Usingen > > > > >________________________________ >Von: RAL1 <[email protected]> >An: [email protected] >Gesendet: Montag, den 23. Februar 2009, 21:36:42 Uhr >Betreff: [HESSE] Need help with symbols in Familienbuch > >Can someone please tell me what these symbols mean: > >*/~, oo, cross/square, Ioo, IIoo. Also the words "viduus, viduus ex, >morti/sepulti prolis. > >Thanks, Bob Lohmar > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in >the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in >the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in >the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in >the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >email to [email protected] with the >word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message