You should now have the record of when their emigration papers were processed and who was involved. Mine says the name of great great grandfather and family and the date of departure. With that you can look for a ship to America on which they may have travelled. This information will allow you to find them arriving in the America at one of the port cities. This is a major piece of data for those who do family history. Does that answer your question? Eric Schaal, Burr Ridge, Illinois -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cindy Phipps Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 8:47 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt I hate to be a dunderhead, but after I find my ancestors on this site, what do I do next? Dr. Dietrich, I'm sure you will be the one to answer, so thank you in advance! Cindy Phipps ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 4:15 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Yes, I found it as well in the inventory within the HStA Darmstadt (HStAD): HStAD R 21 B So the original document you are searching is still available there (see the following link). http://www.hadis.hessen.de/scripts/HADIS.DLL/home?SID=F623-25A0FD4-C0A0E&PID =B0E2 @ALL: Here is the direct link to ALL Emigrationrecords from Hessen Darmstadt, so you can all search for your ancestors stemming from the former Grand-Duchy of Hessen (Hessen-Darmstadt) too: http://www.hadis.hessen.de/scripts/HADIS.DLL/home?SID=F623-25A0FD4-C0A0E&PID =2EFA Good luck, Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all. There seems to be an issue with accessing HADIS through direct links. Best is to start from the root and walk through the different hierarchies. Here is the path to walk: 1. http://www.hadis.hessen.de 2. Enter "Auswanderer-Nachweise" into search field end press enter 3. Within the search results click "HStAD :: Hessisches Staatsarchiv Darmstadt" 4. Then click "Auswanderer-Nachweise" 5. Now choose the initial letter of the family name of the person you're looking for ... and   Good luck !!! Regards, Thierry   Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: greg & rae ryan <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Montag, den 2. März 2009, 03:19:52 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Thierry, I can't seem to access the direct link you have mentioned for ALL Hessen Darmstadt  emigration records.Any suggestions. Rae Qld Aust. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Yes, I found it as well in the inventory within the HStA Darmstadt (HStAD): HStAD R 21 B So the original document you are searching is still available there (see the following link). http://www.hadis.hessen.de/scripts/HADIS.DLL/home?SID=F623-25A0FD4-C0A0E&PID=B0E2 @ALL: Here is the direct link to ALL Emigrationrecords from Hessen Darmstadt, so you can all search for your ancestors stemming from the former Grand-Duchy of Hessen (Hessen-Darmstadt) too: http://www.hadis.hessen.de/scripts/HADIS.DLL/home?SID=F623-25A0FD4-C0A0E&PID=2EFA Good luck, Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: Marie Van Laeys <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 26. Februar 2009, 16:35:59 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Dr. Dietrich, I found the following for one of my uncles: Identifikation Titel HORNUNG Heinrich, Herkunft: Grob Zimnern-Im. 1846-04/ ziel Amerika USA Alter/geb.$ (?) Bemerkungen: mit famile Ausgewandert, Quelle: Ausevandererkarei Laufzeit 1846 Walter Moller also at the same time Valentin Hornung Thank you for your help Marie Van Laeys ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Most likely in the Hessisches Staatsarchiv Darmstadt. You may be lucky and find summaries of documents online under http://www.hadis.hessen.de If you confirm me first name, last name, date and location of birth, date of emigration, etc. then I could have a quick look on HADIS online for you. May be you're lucky. Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: Cindy Phipps <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 26. Februar 2009, 13:59:21 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Thierry, would these papers be archived in the town/village of emigration, or in a larger, centrally located city? thanks! Cindy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt In earlier times the citizen of a country "belonged" to the souveraign. They didn't have a passport or the permission to leave the country. Thus they had two options, either breaching law by trying to illegally emigrate with the risk of getting caught and being jailed and the risk that staying relatives were punished instead. Alternatively you had to apply for emigration. Usually this included that you needed to pay a certain sum, so you kind of "baught" yourself out. These applications and their responses (they were not always granted) usually are still available in archives and may help you identify the origin of your ancestors. Cheers, Thierry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I hate to be a dunderhead, but after I find my ancestors on this site, what do I do next? Dr. Dietrich, I'm sure you will be the one to answer, so thank you in advance! Cindy Phipps ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 4:15 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Yes, I found it as well in the inventory within the HStA Darmstadt (HStAD): HStAD R 21 B So the original document you are searching is still available there (see the following link). http://www.hadis.hessen.de/scripts/HADIS.DLL/home?SID=F623-25A0FD4-C0A0E&PID=B0E2 @ALL: Here is the direct link to ALL Emigrationrecords from Hessen Darmstadt, so you can all search for your ancestors stemming from the former Grand-Duchy of Hessen (Hessen-Darmstadt) too: http://www.hadis.hessen.de/scripts/HADIS.DLL/home?SID=F623-25A0FD4-C0A0E&PID=2EFA Good luck, Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen

Yes, I found it as well in the inventory within the HStA Darmstadt (HStAD):   HStAD R 21 B So the original document you are searching is still available there (see the following link). http://www.hadis.hessen.de/scripts/HADIS.DLL/home?SID=F623-25A0FD4-C0A0E&PID=B0E2        @ALL:  Here is the direct link to ALL Emigrationrecords from Hessen Darmstadt, so you can all search for your ancestors stemming from the former Grand-Duchy of Hessen (Hessen-Darmstadt) too: http://www.hadis.hessen.de/scripts/HADIS.DLL/home?SID=F623-25A0FD4-C0A0E&PID=2EFA   Good luck,   Regards,   Thierry   Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: Marie Van Laeys <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 26. Februar 2009, 16:35:59 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Dr. Dietrich, I found the following for one of my uncles: Identifikation Titel HORNUNG Heinrich, Herkunft: Grob Zimnern-Im. 1846-04/ ziel Amerika USA Alter/geb.$ (?) Bemerkungen: mit famile Ausgewandert,  Quelle: Ausevandererkarei Laufzeit 1846        Walter Moller also at the same time Valentin Hornung Thank you for your help Marie Van Laeys ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Most likely in the Hessisches Staatsarchiv Darmstadt. You may be lucky and find summaries of documents online under http://www.hadis.hessen.de If you confirm me first name, last name, date and location of birth, date of emigration, etc. then I could have a quick look on HADIS online for you. May be you're lucky. Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: Cindy Phipps <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 26. Februar 2009, 13:59:21 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Thierry, would these papers be archived in the town/village of emigration, or in a larger, centrally located city? thanks! Cindy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt In earlier times the citizen of a country "belonged" to the souveraign. They didn't have a passport or the permission to leave the country. Thus they had two options, either breaching law by trying to illegally emigrate with the risk of getting caught and being jailed and the risk that staying relatives were punished instead. Alternatively you had to apply for emigration. Usually this included that you needed to pay a certain sum, so you kind of "baught" yourself out. These applications and their responses (they were not always granted) usually are still available in archives and may help you identify the origin of your ancestors. Cheers, Thierry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is anyone researching these families ? Mostly residents of Hessen, Germany. The surnames are: Buttner, Dieterle, Dries, Duessman, Fabian, Griesmann, Hammerslag, Hoops, Hutler, Matty, Mertens, Neubeck, Ohler, Rosskopf, Zollner. It is likely that these people are Catholic. Would like to share information. Thanks Sheila Strickland, Olney, MD, USA [email protected] Descendant List Johann WITZEL, b. 9 Apr 1789 at Muenster, Kreis Dieburg, Hesse, Germany, d. 29 May 1844 at Muenster, Kreis Dieburg, Hesse, Germany m. 1813 at Muenster, Kreis Dieburg, Hesse, Germany, to Barbara ROSSKOPF, b. 23 Mar 1791 at Darmstadt, Germany, d. 1 Dec 1857 at No 359 Schofferstrasse, Mainz, Rheinhessen, Hesse, Germany ├── Johann WITZEL, b. circa 1818; was a Metzgermeister (master butcher), married in Frankfurt am Main │ ├── Michael WITZEL married in Frankfurt am Main, had 3 daughters │ ├── Katherina WITZEL married a post office employee in Frankfort, had 4 children │ └── Johann WITZEL was a Metzgermeister (master butcher), emigrated to Brooklyn, NY, USA, he had 2 children. Died after a few years in America, his wife married a second time. ├── Michael WITZEL, b. circa 1819; was a farmer │ married unknown ? │ ├── Baltaser WITZEL was a Metzgermeister (master butcher), married in Muenster, had 2 sons and 2 daughters │ ├── Johann WITZEL was a Fuhrman (driver or coachman), married in Muenster, had 5 children │ ├── Barbara WITZEL married in Gross-Zimmern, died shortly after her marriage │ └── Franksiska WITZEL after her sister's death, married her sister's husband ├── Annamarie WITZEL, b. circa 1820 │ married unknown MATTY, was a farmer, m. at Muenster, Hessen, Germany, He d. Sep 1922 │ ├── Barbara MATTY │ ├── Emmerich MATTY │ ├── Gerta MATTY │ │ married unknown HUTLER, had 1 son and 2 daughters │ ├── Adam MATTY was a Mauermeister, married had 3 daughters │ └── Annamarie MATTY married had 2 daughters and 2 sons ├── Katharina WITZEL, b. circa 1821; husband died leaving her a widow with 3 children │ married Georg GRIESMANN, m. at Muenster, Hessen, Germany │ ├── Margarita GRIESMANN married in Stromberg │ ├── Marie GRIESMANN married in Offenbach │ └── Barbara GRIESMANN │ married unknown HUTLER had 5 daughters ├── Baltasar WITZEL, b. circa 1822; was a Metzgermeister (master butcher) in Muenster, │ married unknown ? at Muenster, Hessen, Germany had 13 children, 9 died at an early are │ ├── Emmerich WITZEL, lived with sister Magdalina in Muenster in the original Witzel home │ ├── August WITZEL married and lived in Aschaffenburg, had 8 children, 5 were alive in 1922 │ │ ├── Lena WITZEL │ │ ├── Jula WITZEL │ │ ├── Erna WITZEL │ │ ├── August WITZEL │ │ └── Herman WITZEL │ ├── Elizabeth WITZEL │ │ married unknown HAMMERSCHLAG lived in Wurzburg │ │ ├── Lenchen HAMMERSCHLAG │ │ │ married unknown ZOLLNER │ │ ├── Eva HAMMERSCHLAG │ │ │ married Lawrence DIETERLE resided Aschaffenburg, Bavaria │ │ │ ├── Annaline DIETERLE │ │ │ ├ married 2nd Joseph MERTENS had 1 son │ │ │ ├── Elizabeth DIETERLE │ │ │ ├ married Unknown DUESSMAN had 3 sons │ │ │ └── Marianchen DIETERLE died young │ │ ├── Elizabeth HAMMERSCHLAG remained single │ │ └── Baltasar HAMMERSCHLAG was a language teacher, married, lived in Jugesheim, no children │ └── Magdalina WITZEL remained single, lived with brother Emmerich in Muenster in the original Witzel home ├── Emmerich WITZEL, b. circa 1822; twin brother of Baltasar, lived in Muenster in the home of his parents and grandparents. was a Metzgermeister, had 7 children, 3 died in childhood │ ├── Joseph WITZEL as of 1922 living with parents in Muenster │ ├── August WITZEL as of 1922 living with parents in Muenster │ ├── Karl WITZEL as of 1922 living with parents in Muenster │ └── Anna WITZEL as of 1922 living with parents in Muenster ├── Adam WITZEL, b. 15 Jan 1824 at Muenster, Kreis Dieburg, Hesse, Germany, d. 13 Aug 1902 at Niagara Falls, Niagara, NY m. 31 Mar 1851 in Catholic Church at Muenster or Darmstadt, Hessen, Germany; │ to Theresa NEUBECK, b. 8 Jun 1828 at Darmstadt, Germany, d. 25 Jul 1906 at 437 Elm St, Buffalo, Erie, NY │ They had 13 children born in Buffalo, Erie county, NY, USA ├── Barbara WITZEL, b. circa 1824, d. circa 1848 ├── Juliana WITZEL, b. circa 1826, d. circa 1826 ├── Jacob WITZEL, b. circa 1827 at Muenster, Kreis Dieburg, Hesse, Germany │ married Justina Amalia WITZEL, b. circa 1821 at Geinsheim, m. 2 Dec 1854 at St Ignaz Catholic, Mainz, Rheinhessen, She was daughter of Emmerich WITZEL and Agnes DIEHL │ ├── Magdalina WITZEL husband was a Scholssermeister (locksmith ?), had 1 son │ ├── Ferdinand WITZEL Metzgermeister, married in Mainz, had 5 children, 2 died young │ │ ├── Anna WITZEL │ │ │ married unknown FABIAN married in Wiesbaden │ │ ├── Lusel WITZEL │ │ │ married unknown HOOPS married in Gonsenheim │ │ └── Jacob WITZEL married in Gonsenheim │ ├── Margarethe WITZEL │ │ married unknown DRIES married in Mainz │ │ ├── Anna DRIES │ │ │ married unknown OHLER married in Gonsenheim │ │ └── Lena DRIES │ │ married unknown BUTTNER married and lived in Aschaffenburg │ └── Wilhelm WITZEL married and lived in Mainz. Inherited the business from his father. He and his wife died at an early age. Had 4 children, 1 died at 10 yrs old, another died at 12 years old. │ ├── Joseph WITZEL employed at a bank in Mainz │ └── Magdalena WITZEL employed at an office in Mainz └── Peter WITZEL, b. circa 1828, d. circa 1828

HADIS is covering the three state archives from Hessen: * Hessisches Hauptstaatsarchiv Wiesbaden (HHStA Wiesbaden), the main state archive of Hessen in Wiesbaden (among others covering the former duchy of Nassau) * Hessisches Staatsarchiv Darmstadt (HStA Darmstadt), the state archive of Hessen in Darmstadt (mainly covering the former Grand-Duchy of Hessen, Darmstadt) * Hessisches Staatsarchiv Marburg (HStA Marburg), the state archive of Hessen in Marburg (mainly covering the former Electorate-Principality of Hessen, Kassel) The digitalisation project is running and the progress varies across these 3 archives. However, it is always worth a try and if you don't find anything, try again in a year, you will find more stuff by then. Regards, Thierry   Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 26. Februar 2009, 17:49:36 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] HADIS and luck (was RE: "Loritz" Darmstadt) I'm lucky. If it weren't for bad luck, though, I'd have no luck at all. HADIS hasn't digitized very much of the data in their archives, have they? Fortunately I've traced a good part of my Hessian family. Sadly, though I'm stuck on a soldier who was stationed not far from Assenheim in Hanau, in 1774, and all I have is his commanding captain's name for his company, I think. Although Genev is a rather rare surname, and I originally thought it was a reference to a Swiss military outfit, but the text just doesn't fit for that. Brian On Thu, February 26, 2009 9:11 am, Thierry Dietrich wrote: > If you confirm (to) me first name, last name, date and location of birth, > date of emigration, etc. then I could have a quick look on HADIS online for > you. May be you're lucky. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Actually many former Free Imperial Cities, such as Frankfurt, later turned to Kreisfreie Städte (county-free cities). So you're not totally wrong there. However, neither Darmstadt nor Offenbach for instance ever have been Free Imperial Cities but are today county-free cities. So there is no 100% fit. Regards, Thierry   Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Freitag, den 27. Februar 2009, 16:28:21 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] Lorsch, near Eberstadt, Bensheim, et al Well, I stand corrected and learned something. That should treach me not to make assumptions without all the facts! I had assumed that it was equivalent to the free-cities of Europe such as Strassburg in Alsace, or Frankfurt am Main, or Friedberg. Free cities (or more fully, Free Imperial cities) of course being ruled directly by the "Emperor" and not by the local rulers. Although your explanation kind of sounds more like the opposite of a free-city. So, I guess, I'm trying to say sorry for correcting a correct posting with my ignorance. Brian On Thu, February 26, 2009 1:37 pm, Thierry Dietrich wrote: > Actually county-free was indeed correct. > > Some cities, such as Frankfurt or Darmstadt, do not belong to a Landkreis > as they are large enough on their own to be worth an own administration. > In these cases the city-parliament in the town-hall is at the same time > what in other counties is called Kreistag. So it has two functions and > this city therefore does not belong to any county, therefore it is > county-free. If you say free county it sounds as if it actually is a > county and that this county does not belong to anything else, but > that would be wrong. > > County-free cities do belong to a "Regierungsbezirk", which again belongs > to a "Land", which again belongs to the Federal Republik of Germany. > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Would you please look for Wilhelm Petry (Dec 15, 1822 - Aug 09, 1862) born in Mosbach, Dieburg, Starkenburg, Hesse-Darmstadt and his wife, Catherina Rehl (Nov 04, 1821 - Sep 15, 1869). She was born in Wenigumstadt, Aschaffenburg, Unterfranken, Bayern. They were married in Mosbach on March 08, 1849 and immediately left for New Orleans where they arrived on May 2, 1849. The name of their ship was the Marion. Thank you, Ronald J Repking Flossmoor, Illinois In a message dated 2/26/09 9:13:32 A.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Most likely in the Hessisches Staatsarchiv Darmstadt. You may be lucky and find summaries of documents online under http://www.hadis.hessen.de If you confirm me first name, last name, date and location of birth, date of emigration, etc. then I could have a quick look on HADIS online for you. May be you're lucky. Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: Cindy Phipps <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 26. Februar 2009, 13:59:21 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Thierry, would these papers be archived in the town/village of emigration, or in a larger, centrally located city? thanks! Cindy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt In earlier times the citizen of a country "belonged" to the souveraign. They didn't have a passport or the permission to leave the country. Thus they had two options, either breaching law by trying to illegally emigrate with the risk of getting caught and being jailed and the risk that staying relatives were punished instead. Alternatively you had to apply for emigration. Usually this included that you needed to pay a certain sum, so you kind of "baught" yourself out. These applications and their responses (they were not always granted) usually are still available in archives and may help you identify the origin of your ancestors. Cheers, Thierry **************Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004)

Hi: Have a question. I have a family member from Hesse originally. The surname has wavered between Eid, Ayd, Eiden (1700-1800's), Eydt and Eidt, with the last two seemingly standardized as a surname now, in Germany, USA and Canada. Question is--would Eiden be a plural of Eid, or son of Eid? A German local 'genealogist', family member, and history keeper has used both names in her notes. Thanks Marilyn

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In a message dated 2/27/2009 5:28:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: en" ending is used to signify that the person is a female. in is for female, which is not used anymore,very old fashion. when we talked few yrs back and told a story,we still used that form when we talked about a female who was absend "die Scheiblerin" = Frau Scheible meant this or that or she said..which no a days is a harsh description of a female. er for male..Herr Schneider .. **************Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004)

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Hi Marilyn, The "en" ending is used to signify that the person is a female. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: "M BARON" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 4:59 PM Subject: [HESSE] query eid eiden > > Hi: > > Have a question. I have a family member from Hesse originally. The > surname > has wavered between Eid, Ayd, Eiden (1700-1800's), Eydt and Eidt, with > the > last two seemingly standardized as a surname now, in Germany, USA and > Canada. Question is--would Eiden be a plural of Eid, or son of Eid? A > German > local 'genealogist', family member, and history keeper has used both > names > in her notes. > Thanks > Marilyn >

What is the easiest (cheapest) way to have someone research some names in this book: Titel: Familienbuch Oberpleis Autor / Hrsg.: Gast, Bernhard, Benner, Günter H. Erscheinungsort: Bonn Erscheinungsjahr: 2006/2007 Umfang: Band 1: 272/36 Seiten, Band 2: 315 Seiten Reihe ; Band: Deutsche Ortssippenbücher / Reihe X ; I don't have any idea where such a book can be located. Thanks, Bob Lohmar

Mea culpa, you're right. I was confused by the "convent".  ;-) I never heard of any convent in Eberstadt. Do you have information on this? Regards, Thierry   Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: Carl Becker <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Freitag, den 27. Februar 2009, 09:23:05 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] Lorsch, near Eberstadt, Bensheim, et al Thierry, sorry, the place with the convent in the Rheingau, west of Wiesbaden, is not called Eberstadt, it is Kloster EBERBACH. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Lorsch, near Eberstadt, Bensheim, et al > Hi Don. > > There are two different Eberstadt, one being in the region called > Rheingau, west of the capital of Hessen, Wiesbaden (former capital of the > duchy of Nassau, whereof the Rheingau was a part). The other Eberstadt is > close to Darmstadt, and today a part of Darmstadt indeed. The Eberstadt > close to Wiesbaden (in the Rheingau) is very popular for its very old > convent which was very rich in the later middle-ages. This convent, > however, is not to be confused with the convent of Lorsch, which saw its > florison in the early middleages during the period of the Carolingiens > from about 800 until about 1000. Then it decayed and was finally taken > over by the Archbishop of Mainz around 1236. > > Regards, > > Thierry > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Brian, I don't know where you are from, but here in NY there are cities and villages that are not under town juridictions. They provide their own services and keep their own records. Some provide their own law enforcement. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Lorsch, near Eberstadt, Bensheim, et al Well, I stand corrected and learned something. That should treach me not to make assumptions without all the facts! I had assumed that it was equivalent to the free-cities of Europe such as Strassburg in Alsace, or Frankfurt am Main, or Friedberg. Free cities (or more fully, Free Imperial cities) of course being ruled directly by the "Emperor" and not by the local rulers. Although your explanation kind of sounds more like the opposite of a free-city. So, I guess, I'm trying to say sorry for correcting a correct posting with my ignorance. Brian On Thu, February 26, 2009 1:37 pm, Thierry Dietrich wrote: > Actually county-free was indeed correct. > > Some cities, such as Frankfurt or Darmstadt, do not belong to a Landkreis > as they are large enough on their own to be worth an own administration. > In these cases the city-parliament in the town-hall is at the same time > what in other counties is called Kreistag. So it has two functions and > this city therefore does not belong to any county, therefore it is > county-free. If you say free county it sounds as if it actually is a > county and that this county does not belong to anything else, but > that would be wrong. > > County-free cities do belong to a "Regierungsbezirk", which again belongs > to a "Land", which again belongs to the Federal Republik of Germany. > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.3/1975 - Release Date: 02/27/09 07:05:00

Well, I stand corrected and learned something. That should treach me not to make assumptions without all the facts! I had assumed that it was equivalent to the free-cities of Europe such as Strassburg in Alsace, or Frankfurt am Main, or Friedberg. Free cities (or more fully, Free Imperial cities) of course being ruled directly by the "Emperor" and not by the local rulers. Although your explanation kind of sounds more like the opposite of a free-city. So, I guess, I'm trying to say sorry for correcting a correct posting with my ignorance. Brian On Thu, February 26, 2009 1:37 pm, Thierry Dietrich wrote: > Actually county-free was indeed correct. > > Some cities, such as Frankfurt or Darmstadt, do not belong to a Landkreis > as they are large enough on their own to be worth an own administration. > In these cases the city-parliament in the town-hall is at the same time > what in other counties is called Kreistag. So it has two functions and > this city therefore does not belong to any county, therefore it is > county-free. If you say free county it sounds as if it actually is a > county and that this county does not belong to anything else, but > that would be wrong. > > County-free cities do belong to a "Regierungsbezirk", which again belongs > to a "Land", which again belongs to the Federal Republik of Germany. >

Thierry, sorry, the place with the convent in the Rheingau, west of Wiesbaden, is not called Eberstadt, it is Kloster EBERBACH. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Lorsch, near Eberstadt, Bensheim, et al > Hi Don. > > There are two different Eberstadt, one being in the region called > Rheingau, west of the capital of Hessen, Wiesbaden (former capital of the > duchy of Nassau, whereof the Rheingau was a part). The other Eberstadt is > close to Darmstadt, and today a part of Darmstadt indeed. The Eberstadt > close to Wiesbaden (in the Rheingau) is very popular for its very old > convent which was very rich in the later middle-ages. This convent, > however, is not to be confused with the convent of Lorsch, which saw its > florison in the early middleages during the period of the Carolingiens > from about 800 until about 1000. Then it decayed and was finally taken > over by the Archbishop of Mainz around 1236. > > Regards, > > Thierry >

Actually county-free was indeed correct. Some cities, such as Frankfurt or Darmstadt, do not belong to a Landkreis as they are large enough on their own to be worth an own administration. In these cases the city-parliament in the town-hall is at the same time what in other counties is called Kreistag. So it has two functions and this city therefore does not belong to any county, therefore it is county-free. If you say free county it sounds as if it actually is a county and that this county does not belong to anything else, but that would be wrong. County-free cities do belong to a "Regierungsbezirk", which again belongs to a "Land", which again belongs to the Federal Republik of Germany. Hope this helps a bit. Of course word-by-word translations do sometimes create words which do not exist in the target-language. Regards, Thierry   Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 26. Februar 2009, 16:59:26 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] Lorsch, near Eberstadt, Bensheim, et al There you go thinking in English when translating German. I'm sure you meant to say "free-county" not county-free". also, I doubt you'd hear the second "t" in stadt by a native speaker. More likely it'd be a very hard "d". Of course, some native speaker will correct me, if I'm wrong. It's been a long time since I've heard my grandmother's speech. But then technically she was French. But she'd tell you she was neither French (Hmmph) nor German. She was an Alsatian! Hmphh! On Wed, February 25, 2009 11:08 am, Don Watson wrote: > ... Darmstadt, a major city with the status of a county (Kreisfreie Stadt, > pronounced Cryes-frya Stahdt). Kreisfreie means county-free. A Landkreis > (lahnd-cryes) in Germany is roughly the same as a county in the United > States, since it exists inside the larger federal administrative district, > which in turn exists inside the State, and the State inside the Nation. > There are 16 German states. Today anyway. Once upon a time there were many, many, more. Maybe even hundreds. ;) Odd to see such precise data in a US census. My German immigrant ancestors' place of birth changed back forth all over the German map over time. Brian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Most likely in the Hessisches Staatsarchiv Darmstadt. You may be lucky and find summaries of documents online under http://www.hadis.hessen.de If you confirm me first name, last name, date and location of birth, date of emigration, etc. then I could have a quick look on HADIS online for you. May be you're lucky. Regards, Thierry   Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: Cindy Phipps <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 26. Februar 2009, 13:59:21 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Thierry, would these papers be archived in the town/village of emigration, or in a larger, centrally located city? thanks! Cindy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt In earlier times the citizen of a country "belonged" to the souveraign. They didn't have a passport or the permission to leave the country. Thus they had two options, either breaching law by trying to illegally emigrate with the risk of getting caught and being jailed and the risk that staying relatives were punished instead. Alternatively you had to apply for emigration. Usually this included that you needed to pay a certain sum, so you kind of "baught" yourself out. These applications and their responses (they were not always granted) usually are still available in archives and may help you identify the origin of your ancestors. Cheers, Thierry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message