Greetings Thierry,Yes indeed they are concentrated in the Münden-Goddelsheim area. I forgot I have ZACHER (ZOCHER) also. My earliest is: Johann Kasper Kuhnhenn b. ca 1756 m. ca 1775 Anna Martha Vesper she b. ca 1757 Casper Kuhnhenn b. 1776 m. Wilhelmina Zacher 1819 her Father: Johann W. F. Zocher b. ca 1761 she b. 1793 Mother Johanna C. Urspruch b. ca 1770 they had: m. ca 1791 Wilhelmina Kuhnhenn b. 1828 my G-Grandmother She came to America with two brothers around 1853. Always looking for more records further back. Ron Habel (HEBEL from Rheinland-Pfalz) Vista, CA, USA **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005)

Cindy I received copies of my great grandmother and her mother's emigration papers from the Nordrhein-Westfälisches Haupstaatsarchiv, Duesseldorf in 2000 for approximately 15 Euros. The information provided included a summary, in English, of the emigration data, along with copies of the originals in German; they emigrated in 1857 to Pittsburgh, PA. The E-mail address on the letter is: [email protected] Whether she still is the contact is open to question. The mail address is; Mauerstrasse 55 40476 Duesseldorf Germany Phone No. (02 11) 94 49-02 Fax: (02 11) 94 49-70 02 For birth, and death information on them I was referred to: Nordrhein-Westfällisches Personenstandsarchiv Rheinland, Schloss 50321 Bruehl Germany If, you use Google in your searches almost all of the sites they find, if in German, can be translated then and there by clicking on the "Translate". Jerry Dittman Boonsboro, MD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Phipps" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] What to do after having found your ancestor'semigrationrecord on HADIS > Thierry and Eric, > > Thank you for the help with the web site. I already know when and from > where this family group emmigrated. It would be fun to have a photocopy > of > the original though. Are there similar sites for the other regions of > Germany? I have other branches in my tree containing Zieglers, > Hornbostels, and Sacriders. > > If I accessed a German-speaking website, can I assume, as an ugly > American, > that the members speak English? thank you in advance, > > Cindy > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Gay, Follow same steps that Thierry gave you previously, except for step 3. click on "HStAM: <http://www.hadis.hessen.de/scripts/HADIS.DLL/home?SID=C50B-19AB783-C29B3&PID=4DCE>Hessisches Staatsarchiv Marburg " not "HStAD :: Hessisches Staatsarchiv Darmstadt" Good luck Elizabeth At 04:37 PM 3/03/2009, you wrote: >Thanks Thierry for the step by step instructions....which were very >helpful... >Unfortunately I could not find my ancestor... >..My ancestor Fredriech Wilhelm Habermann departed Germany aboard the >Cesar Godeffroy in November 1855 to travel to Australia... >Many years ago on this list, I was advised by a Mr. Friedrich Leumkheuler >(with whom I have lost contact) that one of his contacts advised him the >Immigration papers for Freidrich Wilhelm Habermann were in the Archives at >MARBURG > >Is there a similar path to find the State Archives at MARBURG please. >Cheers >Gay > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wow, thanks Elizabeth....after all these years....I'm going to savour this search after dinner...which is about ready to be cooked... do you know what may have happened to Friedrich Leumkheuler who was at the time a newspaper Editor with contacts.... Thanks and Cheers Gay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] How to access Emigration records from Hessen Darmstadt on HADIS > Hello Gay, > > Follow same steps that Thierry gave you previously, except for step > 3. click on "HStAM: > <http://www.hadis.hessen.de/scripts/HADIS.DLL/home?SID=C50B-19AB783-C29B3&PID=4DCE>Hessisches > Staatsarchiv Marburg " > not "HStAD :: Hessisches Staatsarchiv Darmstadt" > > Good luck > > Elizabeth > > At 04:37 PM 3/03/2009, you wrote: >>Thanks Thierry for the step by step instructions....which were very >>helpful... >>Unfortunately I could not find my ancestor... >>..My ancestor Fredriech Wilhelm Habermann departed Germany aboard the >>Cesar Godeffroy in November 1855 to travel to Australia... >>Many years ago on this list, I was advised by a Mr. Friedrich Leumkheuler >>(with whom I have lost contact) that one of his contacts advised him >>the >>Immigration papers for Freidrich Wilhelm Habermann were in the Archives >>at >>MARBURG >> >>Is there a similar path to find the State Archives at MARBURG please. >>Cheers >>Gay >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

Terri A. Spencer NBC - Account Services - CSU FordNet: 54150 x51889 Ph: 1-877-224-1262 x51889 Fax: 1-615-315-2943 Share the Ford Story at www.TheFordStory.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thierry Dietrich Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 3:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HESSE] How to access Emigration records from Hessen Darmstadton HADIS There is a search field as well (Suche) which might help you getting hits more quickly...   Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Dienstag, den 3. März 2009, 21:55:47 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] How to access Emigration records from Hessen Darmstadt on HADIS Thanks, I'll give it a try later.  I briefly looked at it last night  but was just wandering.  As I recall, there were several options under the  Marburg heading.  If I can't make sense of it, I may get back to you. Thanks! Brenda In a message dated 3/3/2009 12:44:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: The  files from the Electorate Principality of Hessen (Kurfürstentum  Hessen) a.k.a. Hessen Kassel are stored in Marburg and are available  through HADIS as well (Hessisches Staatsarchiv Marburg - HStAM). Just remember  not all have been digitalised yet so you won't find all records in  HADIS. Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P.  Dietrich D-61250  Usingen ________________________________ Von:  "[email protected]" <[email protected]> An:  [email protected] Gesendet: Dienstag, den 3. März 2009, 20:25:51  Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] How to access Emigration records from Hessen  Darmstadt on HADIS My immigrants came from Hessen-Kassel and  Waldeck.  Are there similar databases for those  areas? Thanks. Brenda In a message dated 3/3/2009 8:13:33  A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected]  writes: Auswanderer = Emigrant Kartei = Card  index Dr.  Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250  Usingen ________________________________ Von:  "[email protected]" <[email protected]> An:  [email protected]b.com Gesendet: Dienstag, den 3. März 2009, 16:09:17  Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] How to access Emigration records from Hessen  Darmstadt on HADIS Thierry:  In the HADIS listing for my  great  grandfather I found the  term "auswandererkartei".  Does it have  any special meaning?  Thanks  for helping me locate the entry  for Heinrich KNOBELOCH.  Cal  Knobeloch ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from  the  list, please send an email to [email protected] with  the word  'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the  message ------------------------------- To  unsubscribe from the list,  please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe'  without the  quotes in the subject and the body of the  message **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in  just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=http: %2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) ------------------------------- To  unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]  with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of  the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list,  please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe'  without the quotes in the subject and the body of the  message **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Cindy. HADIS is purely scoped according to today's borderlines of the Land of Hessen. It is like an U. S. State such as Texas. I do not know what other Lands in Germany have available, but as far as I know I would be surprised another Land has something comparable. But feel free to browse through google or other means or ask in according forums or lists. Many germans do speak or understand english a little or fairly well. Some don't. You won't know if you don't try.  ;-)  *grin* Generally spoken Germans are very open and in contrast to some other cultures will not feel offended if you try and speak english straight away. Of course a little effort on your end to at least say hello or bye in German will make you more sympathic and may increase your chance to find help.  ;-)  There are some smart online tools as well helping you translating text into german. However, they are not perfect and may lead to misunderstandings. But they are still helpful in case the expert you want to communicate with does not have a proper command of the english language. Good luck & regards, Thierry   Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: Cindy Phipps <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Dienstag, den 3. März 2009, 16:08:26 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] What to do after having found your ancestor's emigrationrecord on HADIS Thierry and Eric, Thank you for the help with the web site.  I already know when and from where this family group emmigrated.  It would be fun to have a photocopy of the original though.  Are there similar sites for the other regions of Germany?  I have other branches in my tree containing  Zieglers, Hornbostels, and Sacriders. If I accessed a German-speaking website, can I assume, as an ugly American, that the members speak English?  thank you in advance, Cindy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Auswanderer = Emigrant Kartei = Card index   Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Dienstag, den 3. März 2009, 16:09:17 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] How to access Emigration records from Hessen Darmstadt on HADIS Thierry:  In the HADIS listing for my great grandfather I found the  term "auswandererkartei".  Does it have any special meaning?  Thanks  for helping me locate the entry for Heinrich KNOBELOCH.  Cal  Knobeloch ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, I'll give it a try later. I briefly looked at it last night but was just wandering. As I recall, there were several options under the Marburg heading. If I can't make sense of it, I may get back to you. Thanks! Brenda In a message dated 3/3/2009 12:44:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: The files from the Electorate Principality of Hessen (Kurfürstentum Hessen) a.k.a. Hessen Kassel are stored in Marburg and are available through HADIS as well (Hessisches Staatsarchiv Marburg - HStAM). Just remember not all have been digitalised yet so you won't find all records in HADIS. Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Dienstag, den 3. März 2009, 20:25:51 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] How to access Emigration records from Hessen Darmstadt on HADIS My immigrants came from Hessen-Kassel and Waldeck. Are there similar databases for those areas? Thanks. Brenda In a message dated 3/3/2009 8:13:33 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Auswanderer = Emigrant Kartei = Card index Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Dienstag, den 3. März 2009, 16:09:17 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] How to access Emigration records from Hessen Darmstadt on HADIS Thierry: In the HADIS listing for my great grandfather I found the term "auswandererkartei". Does it have any special meaning? Thanks for helping me locate the entry for Heinrich KNOBELOCH. Cal Knobeloch ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=http: %2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62)

Thierry: do you have any recommendation using HADIS to find the family name BATTENFELD? My ancestors emigrated from the Village of Battenfeld, near Battenberg, arriving in Philadelphia on the ship Two Brothers in August 1750. Which subsection would include Battenfeld/Battenberg? This area is not far from Marburg, in the Allensdorf Postal Zone. Thank you. Bob Battenfield > From: Thierry Dietrich <[email protected]> > Reply-To: <[email protected]> > Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 20:44:04 +0000 (GMT) > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [HESSE] How to access Emigration records from Hessen Darmstadt on > HADIS > > The files from the Electorate Principality of Hessen (Kurfürstentum > Hessen) a.k.a. Hessen Kassel are stored in Marburg and are available through > HADIS as well (Hessisches Staatsarchiv Marburg - HStAM). Just remember not all > have been digitalised yet so you won't find all records in HADIS. > > Regards, Thierry >   > Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich > > D-61250 Usingen > > > > > ________________________________ > Von: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > An: [email protected] > Gesendet: Dienstag, den 3. März 2009, 20:25:51 Uhr > Betreff: Re: [HESSE] How to access Emigration records from Hessen Darmstadt on > HADIS > > My immigrants came from Hessen-Kassel and Waldeck.  Are there similar  > databases for those areas? > > Thanks. > Brenda > > > In a message dated 3/3/2009 8:13:33 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  > [email protected] writes: > > Auswanderer = Emigrant > > Kartei = Card index > > Dr.  Thierry P. Dietrich > > D-61250  Usingen > > > > > ________________________________ > Von:  "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > An:  [email protected] > Gesendet: Dienstag, den 3. März 2009, 16:09:17  Uhr > Betreff: Re: [HESSE] How to access Emigration records from Hessen  Darmstadt > on HADIS > > Thierry:  In the HADIS listing for my great  grandfather I found the  term > "auswandererkartei".  Does it have  any special meaning?  Thanks  for helping > me > locate the entry  for Heinrich KNOBELOCH.  Cal  Knobeloch > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the  list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word  'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the > body of the  message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list,  please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe'  without the quotes in > the subject and the > body of the  message > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=http: > %2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID > %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Thierry for the step by step instructions....which were very helpful... Unfortunately I could not find my ancestor... ..My ancestor Fredriech Wilhelm Habermann departed Germany aboard the Cesar Godeffroy in November 1855 to travel to Australia... Many years ago on this list, I was advised by a Mr. Friedrich Leumkheuler (with whom I have lost contact) that one of his contacts advised him the Immigration papers for Freidrich Wilhelm Habermann were in the Archives at MARBURG Is there a similar path to find the State Archives at MARBURG please. Cheers Gay Research Names: http://www.perthdps.com/research/fie01.html

I have KUHNHENN, URSPRUCH and VESPER ancestors from Waldeck. Only the KUHNHENN's emigrated to America. Ron HABEL **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005)

It just means "emigrant file" -Eckhard (Hensel) In einer eMail vom 2009-03-03 16:16:26 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt [email protected]: Thierry: In the HADIS listing for my great grandfather I found the term "auswandererkartei". Does it have any special meaning? Thanks for helping me locate the entry for Heinrich KNOBELOCH. Cal Knobeloch ___________________________________________ No work and no skills needed, just sit back and relax, and earn: http://www.wbwso.com/?ref=ehensel21

My immigrants came from Hessen-Kassel and Waldeck. Are there similar databases for those areas? Thanks. Brenda In a message dated 3/3/2009 8:13:33 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Auswanderer = Emigrant Kartei = Card index Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Dienstag, den 3. März 2009, 16:09:17 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] How to access Emigration records from Hessen Darmstadt on HADIS Thierry: In the HADIS listing for my great grandfather I found the term "auswandererkartei". Does it have any special meaning? Thanks for helping me locate the entry for Heinrich KNOBELOCH. Cal Knobeloch ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62)

Theirry, I did THE walk thru as you said NO LUCK ,mine was EYER -Elisabetha came to Vic Aust in 1855 aboard 'Goldfinder".She supposedly came from Hessen Darmstadt born abt 1839.Can't find her on any of the Darmstadt Archives listed.Any suggestions. Rae Qld Aust. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 6:49 PM Subject: [HESSE] How to access Emigration records from Hessen Darmstadt onHADIS Hi all. There seems to be an issue with accessing HADIS through direct links. Best is to start from the root and walk through the different hierarchies. Here is the path to walk: 1. http://www.hadis.hessen.de 2. Enter "Auswanderer-Nachweise" into search field end press enter 3. Within the search results click "HStAD :: Hessisches Staatsarchiv Darmstadt" 4. Then click "Auswanderer-Nachweise" 5. Now choose the initial letter of the family name of the person you're looking for ... and Good luck !!! Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: greg & rae ryan <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Montag, den 2. März 2009, 03:19:52 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Thierry, I can't seem to access the direct link you have mentioned for ALL Hessen Darmstadt emigration records.Any suggestions. Rae Qld Aust. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Yes, I found it as well in the inventory within the HStA Darmstadt (HStAD): HStAD R 21 B So the original document you are searching is still available there (see the following link). http://www.hadis.hessen.de/scripts/HADIS.DLL/home?SID=F623-25A0FD4-C0A0E&PID=B0E2 @ALL: Here is the direct link to ALL Emigrationrecords from Hessen Darmstadt, so you can all search for your ancestors stemming from the former Grand-Duchy of Hessen (Hessen-Darmstadt) too: http://www.hadis.hessen.de/scripts/HADIS.DLL/home?SID=F623-25A0FD4-C0A0E&PID=2EFA Good luck, Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: Marie Van Laeys <[email protected]> An: he[email protected] Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 26. Februar 2009, 16:35:59 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Dr. Dietrich, I found the following for one of my uncles: Identifikation Titel HORNUNG Heinrich, Herkunft: Grob Zimnern-Im. 1846-04/ ziel Amerika USA Alter/geb.$ (?) Bemerkungen: mit famile Ausgewandert, Quelle: Ausevandererkarei Laufzeit 1846 Walter Moller also at the same time Valentin Hornung Thank you for your help Marie Van Laeys ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Most likely in the Hessisches Staatsarchiv Darmstadt. You may be lucky and find summaries of documents online under http://www.hadis.hessen.de If you confirm me first name, last name, date and location of birth, date of emigration, etc. then I could have a quick look on HADIS online for you. May be you're lucky. Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: Cindy Phipps <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 26. Februar 2009, 13:59:21 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Thierry, would these papers be archived in the town/village of emigration, or in a larger, centrally located city? thanks! Cindy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt In earlier times the citizen of a country "belonged" to the souveraign. They didn't have a passport or the permission to leave the country. Thus they had two options, either breaching law by trying to illegally emigrate with the risk of getting caught and being jailed and the risk that staying relatives were punished instead. Alternatively you had to apply for emigration. Usually this included that you needed to pay a certain sum, so you kind of "baught" yourself out. These applications and their responses (they were not always granted) usually are still available in archives and may help you identify the origin of your ancestors. Cheers, Thierry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There are several free translations websites. I have grown comfortable using this one. http://www.freetranslation.com/ Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] How to access Emigration records from Hessen Darmstadton HADIS > Thierry: In the HADIS listing for my great grandfather I found the term > "auswandererkartei". Does it have any special meaning? Thanks for > helping me > locate the entry for Heinrich KNOBELOCH. Cal Knobeloch > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Thierry: In the HADIS listing for my great grandfather I found the term "auswandererkartei". Does it have any special meaning? Thanks for helping me locate the entry for Heinrich KNOBELOCH. Cal Knobeloch

Thierry and Eric, Thank you for the help with the web site. I already know when and from where this family group emmigrated. It would be fun to have a photocopy of the original though. Are there similar sites for the other regions of Germany? I have other branches in my tree containing Zieglers, Hornbostels, and Sacriders. If I accessed a German-speaking website, can I assume, as an ugly American, that the members speak English? thank you in advance, Cindy

I found immigration information for my family in 1847 from Germany to Baltimore Maryland. Casper Kahmer born Oberissigheim Hanau Germany Elizabeth ? his wife and 5 children born Kilianstadten Hanau. Although I have been into Genealogy for some years just getting into the German side. What can I do with the above information. I do not live near an LDS site. Thanks for any help. Joan

Hi all. After I explained how to find your ancestor's emigration record in the Hessisches Staatsarchiv Darmstadt, here what to do next. Either you are happy to have found the information and details from this digitalised emigration record abstract, or you need to move on digging. Of course first step could be to have a look at the entire original record. However, for this you will need to either visit the Staatsarchiv in Darmstadt or to find somebody able to do this for you. You also can try and give the archive a ring, sometimes they do research if asked. However, help usually costs money. Your contact in Germany or the archive employee can give you more information regarding the costs involved in this local search. Another good source regarding emigration are of course the different ship lists like Ellis Island etc. available in the U.S., but I am no expert there. Also the immigration records usually already have been looked at by U.S. researchers before digging backwards to the emigration record in Germany. In Germany, once you know the town of origin, you may like to analyse sources such as * Kirchenbücher (church records) * Gerichtsakten (court records) * Zivilstandsbücher (civil records) * other primary sources * Secondary sources such as * Familienbücher or Bürgerbücher (family books resp. citizen books) usually mainly based on church records often completed by further sources; Very valuable source as often much better structured and elaborated than church books, but sometimes containing misinterpretations or errors; never forget, these are secondary sources only... * Familienchronik (family chronicle) * Ortschronik (town chronicle) * Other relevant sources Unfortunately I am not able to do any archive research, as I am fully employed and on business travel most of the week. Even my personal research projects need to wait regarding any archive research actions for until I reached my retirement time.  ;-)   In case you need help, I recommend also contacting the german-speaking Hessen-List as you will find a lot of people there doing research in the relevant archives. Some of them can look something for you in parallel to their activities.   Good luck and best regards,   Thierry   Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich ________________________________ Von: Cindy Phipps <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Montag, den 2. März 2009, 15:46:46 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt I hate to be a dunderhead, but after I find my ancestors on this site, what do I do next?  Dr. Dietrich, I'm sure you will be the one to answer, so thank you in advance! Cindy Phipps ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 4:15 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Yes, I found it as well in the inventory within the HStA Darmstadt (HStAD): HStAD R 21 B So the original document you are searching is still available there (see the following link). http://www.hadis.hessen.de/scripts/HADIS.DLL/home?SID=F623-25A0FD4-C0A0E&PID=B0E2 @ALL: Here is the direct link to ALL Emigrationrecords from Hessen Darmstadt, so you can all search for your ancestors stemming from the former Grand-Duchy of Hessen (Hessen-Darmstadt) too: http://www.hadis.hessen.de/scripts/HADIS.DLL/home?SID=F623-25A0FD4-C0A0E&PID=2EFA Good luck, Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thierry, I can't seem to access the direct link you have mentioned for ALL Hessen Darmstadt emigration records.Any suggestions. Rae Qld Aust. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Yes, I found it as well in the inventory within the HStA Darmstadt (HStAD): HStAD R 21 B So the original document you are searching is still available there (see the following link). http://www.hadis.hessen.de/scripts/HADIS.DLL/home?SID=F623-25A0FD4-C0A0E&PID=B0E2 @ALL: Here is the direct link to ALL Emigrationrecords from Hessen Darmstadt, so you can all search for your ancestors stemming from the former Grand-Duchy of Hessen (Hessen-Darmstadt) too: http://www.hadis.hessen.de/scripts/HADIS.DLL/home?SID=F623-25A0FD4-C0A0E&PID=2EFA Good luck, Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: Marie Van Laeys <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 26. Februar 2009, 16:35:59 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Dr. Dietrich, I found the following for one of my uncles: Identifikation Titel HORNUNG Heinrich, Herkunft: Grob Zimnern-Im. 1846-04/ ziel Amerika USA Alter/geb.$ (?) Bemerkungen: mit famile Ausgewandert, Quelle: Ausevandererkarei Laufzeit 1846 Walter Moller also at the same time Valentin Hornung Thank you for your help Marie Van Laeys ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Most likely in the Hessisches Staatsarchiv Darmstadt. You may be lucky and find summaries of documents online under http://www.hadis.hessen.de If you confirm me first name, last name, date and location of birth, date of emigration, etc. then I could have a quick look on HADIS online for you. May be you're lucky. Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: Cindy Phipps <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 26. Februar 2009, 13:59:21 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Thierry, would these papers be archived in the town/village of emigration, or in a larger, centrally located city? thanks! Cindy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt In earlier times the citizen of a country "belonged" to the souveraign. They didn't have a passport or the permission to leave the country. Thus they had two options, either breaching law by trying to illegally emigrate with the risk of getting caught and being jailed and the risk that staying relatives were punished instead. Alternatively you had to apply for emigration. Usually this included that you needed to pay a certain sum, so you kind of "baught" yourself out. These applications and their responses (they were not always granted) usually are still available in archives and may help you identify the origin of your ancestors. Cheers, Thierry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message