Kurhessen-Waldeck http://www.ekkw.de/archiv/english/index.html Marburg FAQ http://members.cox.net/hessen/marburg-faq.htm State Archives Marburg http://www.staatsarchiv-marburg.hessen.de/ Hessen-Kassel Important Insights http://members.cox.net/hessen/q-a2.htm Free letters written in German http://members.cox.net/hessen/letters.htm Free link on how to pay for German research http://members.cox.net/hessen/payforit.htm Free exchange rates the German Euro, Australian Dollar, U.S. Dollar, Canadian Dollar included. Free Link cost of research http://members.cox.net/hessen/research-costs-etc.htm Free site "Research 101" -- how to successfully research in Germany http://members.cox.net/hessen/hsstory.htm German Genealogical Archives, including Military http://members.cox.net/hessen/archives.htm .....and we've only just begun. :-) Don "The Lord will send His faithful love by day; His song will be with me in the night---a prayer to the God of my life." --Psalm 42:8 One Nation Under God Indivisible When In God We Trust John 14:6, John 3:16-17, Romans 10:8-13, Ephesians 2:8-9 1 Corinthians 2:1-16, 2 Corinthians 4:1-7

Hi Elizabeth, I have had several attempts at getting into the State Archives Marburg., but seem to go round in circles and end up with the same records from HStAD :: Hessisches Staatsarchiv Darmstadt I tried several times last night, and even got up in the middle of the night and tried again, but have no luck getting into the Marburg State Archives to search for the Auswanderer-Nachweise. and tried again this morning several times. When I get to step 3 ... click on "HStAM: Hessisches Staatsarchiv Marburg as you suggested there seems no where else to go, just the heading .HStAM: Hessisches Staatsarchiv Marburg and nothing else. Am I doing something wrong....I realise that the digitalisation is a continuing project, but I thought I might have found some records...but was disappointed at coming up against a blank wall. Thanks and help? Gay

Still may be worth having a look at the archive. As I said, HADIS is a project which is still in progress. Large parts of the archives in Darmstadt, Marburg and Wiesbaden have not yet been digitalised. Regards, Thierry   Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: Sue Maxwell <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 4. März 2009, 05:03:58 Uhr Betreff: [HESSE] Peter Scherrer and brothers I can't find my Peter Scherrer and his brothers who came over in the 1850's. I was surprised to only find one Scherrer name. Sue ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HESSE-req[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

How do I do that? I havn't been reading all of the messages. I tried the first step and got to the names. The only place you can find records on them in the US until after the Civil War is in the city directories- starting about 1847. They all seem to come from Hesse Darmstadt, except Peter's wife who comes from Alsace Lorraine. Sue -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thierry Dietrich Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 1:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HESSE] Peter Scherrer and brothers Still may be worth having a look at the archive. As I said, HADIS is a project which is still in progress. Large parts of the archives in Darmstadt, Marburg and Wiesbaden have not yet been digitalised. Regards, Thierry   Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: Sue Maxwell <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 4. März 2009, 05:03:58 Uhr Betreff: [HESSE] Peter Scherrer and brothers I can't find my Peter Scherrer and his brothers who came over in the 1850's. I was surprised to only find one Scherrer name. Sue ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have been enjoying all the information about emigration papers and where to look. I am sorry to say I do not know much about German geography. I have found that my husband's grt grt grandfather Gerard Henrich Wildemann was born in Albersloh, Wesfalen, Preussen in 1832. I can find nothing about ships, papers etc. He next shows up in the 1860 census of Texas. Could someone tell me what to do next. Also where is Budescheim, Reinhausen, Hesse? His wife Anna Wink was born there. (they married in Texas).Thank you very much. Ginger _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™: Life without walls. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_032009

many thanks to 'the list' for all of the valuable information shared the last couple of days! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerome Dittman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] What to do after having found yourancestor'semigrationrecord on HADIS Cindy I received copies of my great grandmother and her mother's emigration papers from the Nordrhein-Westfälisches Haupstaatsarchiv, Duesseldorf in 2000 for approximately 15 Euros. The information provided included a summary, in English, of the emigration data, along with copies of the originals in German; they emigrated in 1857 to Pittsburgh, PA. The E-mail address on the letter is: [email protected] Whether she still is the contact is open to question. The mail address is; Mauerstrasse 55 40476 Duesseldorf Germany Phone No. (02 11) 94 49-02 Fax: (02 11) 94 49-70 02 For birth, and death information on them I was referred to: Nordrhein-Westfällisches Personenstandsarchiv Rheinland, Schloss 50321 Bruehl Germany If, you use Google in your searches almost all of the sites they find, if in German, can be translated then and there by clicking on the "Translate". Jerry Dittman Boonsboro, MD

Yes, our connection to Lord Mountbatten gives us about a thumbfull of royal blood. Cousins from across the river. As for Battenberg Lace, it is a well-known style of making decorative cloths. Check out www.battenberglace.com Bob Battenfield > From: Thomas Burton <[email protected]> > Reply-To: <[email protected]> > Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:00:31 +1100 > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [HESSE] How to access Emigration records from Hessen Darmstadton > HADIS > > Lord Mountbatten. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 1:37 PM > Subject: Re: [HESSE] How to access Emigration records from Hessen > Darmstadton HADIS > > >> >> In a message dated 3/3/2009 6:39:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> Battenfeld/Battenberg? >> >> >> Bob: I am interested in what Thierry 's answer will be with the name of >> Battenberg. >> Remember the godfather of Prince Charles and the same family >> with >> the English relatives >> maybe from this area ..The did anglicize their Name somehow. >> Can't >> remember it write now. >> There is also a lace-tableclothes out there with the same name. >> Doris. >> **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. >> (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyel >> p00000005) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Kuhnhenn is a rare name with a significant concentration on today's county of Waldeck-Frankenberg. There is hardly any doubt your family comes from there. Look: http://christoph.stoepel.net/geogen/v3/MapGateway.aspx?name=KUHNHENN&target=DE&renderer=DE_DE&mode=rel Most of the files can be found today in the Hessisches Staatsarchiv Marburg (HStAM). Originally the principality of Waldeck was independant from Hessen and at that period had their own archives. In the meantime most files went to the closest archive which is in Marburg. Check HADIS you should find some more information there. Also try the search function (Suche). For me it yielded 8 hits for "Kuhnhenn" for instance, 3 of which in the city of Lichtenfels. The oldest document I found on Kuhnhenn dates from 1527. This was 30 years after Christopher Columbus discovered America and long before any white masses started populating the U.S.  ;-) Good luck, Thierry   Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Dienstag, den 3. März 2009, 21:11:01 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] How to access Emigration records from Hessen Darmstadt on HADIS I have KUHNHENN, URSPRUCH and VESPER ancestors from Waldeck. Only the  KUHNHENN's emigrated to America. Ron HABEL **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Gay: Just go through the Darmstadt web address and they will tell you any further steps,if you are wrong. A friend had the same problem. Doris **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005)

In a message dated 3/3/2009 6:39:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Battenfeld/Battenberg? Bob: I am interested in what Thierry 's answer will be with the name of Battenberg. Remember the godfather of Prince Charles and the same family with the English relatives maybe from this area ..The did anglicize their Name somehow. Can't remember it write now. There is also a lace-tableclothes out there with the same name. Doris. **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005)

EYER is a rather rare name and does not have any significant population in the former territory of Hessen-Darmstadt. Today's concentration of this surname suggests that her origin most likely is in the Palatinate, more specifically in the closer area around and between the cities of Landau and Pirmasens. This region once belonged to the kingdom of Bavaria, as they once inherited the Palatinate. You may like to have a look there? Check yourself the relative name distribution under: http://christoph.stoepel.net/geogen/v3/MapGateway.aspx?name=eyer&target=DE&renderer=DE_DE&mode=rel You can use this tool for any other german or austrian family names by using this link: http://christoph.stoepel.net/geogen/v3/ Just enter the name, press "Kartieren", then click "Relative Darstellung von <YOURNAME>" Good luck, regards, Thierry   Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: greg & rae ryan <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Dienstag, den 3. März 2009, 03:39:26 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] How to access Emigration records from Hessen Darmstadt onHADIS Theirry, I did THE walk thru as you said  NO LUCK ,mine was EYER -Elisabetha came to Vic Aust in 1855 aboard 'Goldfinder".She supposedly came from Hessen Darmstadt born abt 1839.Can't find her on any of the Darmstadt Archives listed.Any suggestions. Rae Qld Aust. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 6:49 PM Subject: [HESSE] How to access Emigration records from Hessen Darmstadt onHADIS Hi all. There seems to be an issue with accessing HADIS through direct links. Best is to start from the root and walk through the different hierarchies. Here is the path to walk: 1. http://www.hadis.hessen.de 2. Enter "Auswanderer-Nachweise" into search field end press enter 3. Within the search results click "HStAD :: Hessisches Staatsarchiv Darmstadt" 4. Then click "Auswanderer-Nachweise" 5. Now choose the initial letter of the family name of the person you're looking for ... and Good luck !!! Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: greg & rae ryan <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Montag, den 2. März 2009, 03:19:52 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Thierry, I can't seem to access the direct link you have mentioned for ALL Hessen Darmstadt emigration records.Any suggestions. Rae Qld Aust. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Yes, I found it as well in the inventory within the HStA Darmstadt (HStAD): HStAD R 21 B So the original document you are searching is still available there (see the following link). http://www.hadis.hessen.de/scripts/HADIS.DLL/home?SID=F623-25A0FD4-C0A0E&PID=B0E2 @ALL: Here is the direct link to ALL Emigrationrecords from Hessen Darmstadt, so you can all search for your ancestors stemming from the former Grand-Duchy of Hessen (Hessen-Darmstadt) too: http://www.hadis.hessen.de/scripts/HADIS.DLL/home?SID=F623-25A0FD4-C0A0E&PID=2EFA Good luck, Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: Marie Van Laeys <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 26. Februar 2009, 16:35:59 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Dr. Dietrich, I found the following for one of my uncles: Identifikation Titel HORNUNG Heinrich, Herkunft: Grob Zimnern-Im. 1846-04/ ziel Amerika USA Alter/geb.$ (?) Bemerkungen: mit famile Ausgewandert, Quelle: Ausevandererkarei Laufzeit 1846 Walter Moller also at the same time Valentin Hornung Thank you for your help Marie Van Laeys ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Most likely in the Hessisches Staatsarchiv Darmstadt. You may be lucky and find summaries of documents online under http://www.hadis.hessen.de If you confirm me first name, last name, date and location of birth, date of emigration, etc. then I could have a quick look on HADIS online for you. May be you're lucky. Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: Cindy Phipps <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 26. Februar 2009, 13:59:21 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Thierry, would these papers be archived in the town/village of emigration, or in a larger, centrally located city? thanks! Cindy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt In earlier times the citizen of a country "belonged" to the souveraign. They didn't have a passport or the permission to leave the country. Thus they had two options, either breaching law by trying to illegally emigrate with the risk of getting caught and being jailed and the risk that staying relatives were punished instead. Alternatively you had to apply for emigration. Usually this included that you needed to pay a certain sum, so you kind of "baught" yourself out. These applications and their responses (they were not always granted) usually are still available in archives and may help you identify the origin of your ancestors. Cheers, Thierry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Re the Caesar Godeffroy - have you looked at "from the Land of Milk and Honey" and also Ances-tree the journal of the Burwood?-Drummoyne FHSociety? The first is a book about German emigration to Australia and the second has a series of articles by Jenny Patterson, who is a specialist researcher living in Australia. She's done a huge amount of work on emigration to the eastern states of Australia from Germany. She has written articles on many of the passengers and ships which came to Australia. Anne Thanks Thierry for the step by step instructions....which were very helpful... Unfortunately I could not find my ancestor... ..My ancestor Fredriech Wilhelm Habermann departed Germany aboard the Cesar Godeffroy in November 1855 to travel to Australia... Many years ago on this list, I was advised by a Mr. Friedrich Leumkheuler (with whom I have lost contact) that one of his contacts advised him the Immigration papers for Freidrich Wilhelm Habermann were in the Archives at MARBURG

Thank you very much, Thierry. Now I need to figure out why it says he emigrated with family. You are a wonderful help to this group! Thanks again, Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2009 2:13:34 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [HESSE] HADIS - Gerstenschlaeger Gerstenschläger, Michael, Origin: Habitzheim. - Emigration date: 1845-12 / Goal: America, USA. - Comment: with family. Source: Emigration file Walter Müller 1845. Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich Bartholomäus-Arnoldi-Straße 22 D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: CarolynChappellNelson <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Dienstag, den 3. März 2009, 21:46:45 Uhr Betreff: [HESSE] HADIS - Gerstenschlaeger I wish I knew the German language! I wonder what this means: NACHWEIS Gerstenschl�ger, Michael, Herkunft: Habitzheim. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1845-12 / Ziel: Amerika, USA. - Bemerkungen: mit Familie. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter M�ller 1845 Doesn't this mean Michael came with his family? He did not marry until he was in Ohio, USA. 3 of his brothers also came to America, but not at the same time. I believe he arrived here between 1852-1854, so does this mean he left Habitzheim in 1845 and maybe did not come to America until later? And what of the 'Walter Mueller'? Was he just the man who kept the record? Thank you so very much for the direction to this site...I hope I can become more proficient at understanding the records. I have many German families that I do not know much about. Thank you all, Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 1:49:05 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [HESSE] How to access Emigration records from Hessen Darmstadt on HADIS Hi all. There seems to be an issue with accessing HADIS through direct links. Best is to start from the root and walk through the different hierarchies. Here is the path to walk: 1. http://www.hadis.hessen.de 2. Enter "Auswanderer-Nachweise" into search field end press enter 3. Within the search results click "HStAD :: Hessisches Staatsarchiv Darmstadt" 4. Then click "Auswanderer-Nachweise" 5. Now choose the initial letter of the family name of the person you're looking for ... and Good luck !!! Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: greg & rae ryan <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Montag, den 2. März 2009, 03:19:52 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Thierry, I can't seem to access the direct link you have mentioned for ALL Hessen Darmstadt emigration records.Any suggestions. Rae Qld Aust. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Yes, I found it as well in the inventory within the HStA Darmstadt (HStAD): HStAD R 21 B So the original document you are searching is still available there (see the following link). http://www.hadis.hessen.de/scripts/HADIS.DLL/home?SID=F623-25A0FD4-C0A0E&PID=B0E2 @ALL: Here is the direct link to ALL Emigrationrecords from Hessen Darmstadt, so you can all search for your ancestors stemming from the former Grand-Duchy of Hessen (Hessen-Darmstadt) too: http://www.hadis.hessen.de/scripts/HADIS.DLL/home?SID=F623-25A0FD4-C0A0E&PID=2EFA Good luck, Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: Marie Van Laeys <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 26. Februar 2009, 16:35:59 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Dr. Dietrich, I found the following for one of my uncles: Identifikation Titel HORNUNG Heinrich, Herkunft: Grob Zimnern-Im. 1846-04/ ziel Amerika USA Alter/geb.$ (?) Bemerkungen: mit famile Ausgewandert, Quelle: Ausevandererkarei Laufzeit 1846 Walter Moller also at the same time Valentin Hornung Thank you for your help Marie Van Laeys ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Most likely in the Hessisches Staatsarchiv Darmstadt. You may be lucky and find summaries of documents online under http://www.hadis.hessen.de If you confirm me first name, last name, date and location of birth, date of emigration, etc. then I could have a quick look on HADIS online for you. May be you're lucky. Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: Cindy Phipps <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 26. Februar 2009, 13:59:21 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Thierry, would these papers be archived in the town/village of emigration, or in a larger, centrally located city? thanks! Cindy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt In earlier times the citizen of a country "belonged" to the souveraign. They didn't have a passport or the permission to leave the country. Thus they had two options, either breaching law by trying to illegally emigrate with the risk of getting caught and being jailed and the risk that staying relatives were punished instead. Alternatively you had to apply for emigration. Usually this included that you needed to pay a certain sum, so you kind of "baught" yourself out. These applications and their responses (they were not always granted) usually are still available in archives and may help you identify the origin of your ancestors. 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Gerstenschläger, Michael, Origin: Habitzheim. - Emigration date: 1845-12 / Goal: America, USA. - Comment: with family. Source: Emigration file Walter Müller 1845.   Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich Bartholomäus-Arnoldi-Straße 22 D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: CarolynChappellNelson <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Dienstag, den 3. März 2009, 21:46:45 Uhr Betreff: [HESSE] HADIS - Gerstenschlaeger I wish I knew the German language! I wonder what this means: NACHWEIS     Gerstenschl�ger, Michael, Herkunft: Habitzheim. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1845-12 / Ziel: Amerika, USA. - Bemerkungen: mit Familie. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter M�ller     1845 Doesn't this mean Michael came with his family? He did not marry until he was in Ohio, USA. 3 of his brothers also came to America, but not at the same time. I believe he arrived here between 1852-1854, so does this mean he left Habitzheim in 1845 and maybe did not come to America until later? And what of the 'Walter Mueller'? Was he just the man who kept the record? Thank you so very much for the direction to this site...I hope I can become more proficient at understanding the records. I have many German families that I do not know much about. Thank you all, Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 1:49:05 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [HESSE] How to access Emigration records from Hessen Darmstadt on HADIS Hi all. There seems to be an issue with accessing HADIS through direct links. Best is to start from the root and walk through the different hierarchies. Here is the path to walk: 1. http://www.hadis.hessen.de 2. Enter "Auswanderer-Nachweise" into search field end press enter 3. Within the search results click "HStAD :: Hessisches Staatsarchiv Darmstadt" 4. Then click "Auswanderer-Nachweise" 5. Now choose the initial letter of the family name of the person you're looking for ... and Good luck !!! Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: greg & rae ryan <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Montag, den 2. März 2009, 03:19:52 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Thierry, I can't seem to access the direct link you have mentioned for ALL Hessen Darmstadt emigration records.Any suggestions. Rae Qld Aust. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Yes, I found it as well in the inventory within the HStA Darmstadt (HStAD): HStAD R 21 B So the original document you are searching is still available there (see the following link). http://www.hadis.hessen.de/scripts/HADIS.DLL/home?SID=F623-25A0FD4-C0A0E&PID=B0E2 @ALL: Here is the direct link to ALL Emigrationrecords from Hessen Darmstadt, so you can all search for your ancestors stemming from the former Grand-Duchy of Hessen (Hessen-Darmstadt) too: http://www.hadis.hessen.de/scripts/HADIS.DLL/home?SID=F623-25A0FD4-C0A0E&PID=2EFA Good luck, Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: Marie Van Laeys <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 26. Februar 2009, 16:35:59 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Dr. Dietrich, I found the following for one of my uncles: Identifikation Titel HORNUNG Heinrich, Herkunft: Grob Zimnern-Im. 1846-04/ ziel Amerika USA Alter/geb.$ (?) Bemerkungen: mit famile Ausgewandert, Quelle: Ausevandererkarei Laufzeit 1846 Walter Moller also at the same time Valentin Hornung Thank you for your help Marie Van Laeys ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Most likely in the Hessisches Staatsarchiv Darmstadt. You may be lucky and find summaries of documents online under http://www.hadis.hessen.de If you confirm me first name, last name, date and location of birth, date of emigration, etc. then I could have a quick look on HADIS online for you. May be you're lucky. Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: Cindy Phipps <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 26. Februar 2009, 13:59:21 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Thierry, would these papers be archived in the town/village of emigration, or in a larger, centrally located city? thanks! Cindy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt In earlier times the citizen of a country "belonged" to the souveraign. They didn't have a passport or the permission to leave the country. Thus they had two options, either breaching law by trying to illegally emigrate with the risk of getting caught and being jailed and the risk that staying relatives were punished instead. Alternatively you had to apply for emigration. Usually this included that you needed to pay a certain sum, so you kind of "baught" yourself out. These applications and their responses (they were not always granted) usually are still available in archives and may help you identify the origin of your ancestors. 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There is a search field as well (Suche) which might help you getting hits more quickly...   Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Dienstag, den 3. März 2009, 21:55:47 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] How to access Emigration records from Hessen Darmstadt on HADIS Thanks, I'll give it a try later.  I briefly looked at it last night  but was just wandering.  As I recall, there were several options under the  Marburg heading.  If I can't make sense of it, I may get back to you. Thanks! Brenda In a message dated 3/3/2009 12:44:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  [email protected] writes: The  files from the Electorate Principality of Hessen (Kurfürstentum  Hessen) a.k.a. Hessen Kassel are stored in Marburg and are available  through HADIS as well (Hessisches Staatsarchiv Marburg - HStAM). Just remember  not all have been digitalised yet so you won't find all records in  HADIS. Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P.  Dietrich D-61250  Usingen ________________________________ Von:  "[email protected]" <[email protected]> An:  [email protected] Gesendet: Dienstag, den 3. März 2009, 20:25:51  Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] How to access Emigration records from Hessen  Darmstadt on HADIS My immigrants came from Hessen-Kassel and  Waldeck.  Are there similar  databases for those  areas? Thanks. Brenda In a message dated 3/3/2009 8:13:33  A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  [email protected]  writes: Auswanderer = Emigrant Kartei = Card  index Dr.  Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250  Usingen ________________________________ Von:  "[email protected]" <[email protected]> An:  [email protected] Gesendet: Dienstag, den 3. März 2009, 16:09:17  Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] How to access Emigration records from Hessen  Darmstadt on HADIS Thierry:  In the HADIS listing for my  great  grandfather I found the  term "auswandererkartei".  Does it have  any special meaning?  Thanks  for helping me  locate the entry  for Heinrich KNOBELOCH.  Cal  Knobeloch ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from  the  list, please send an email to [email protected] with  the word  'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the  body of the  message ------------------------------- To  unsubscribe from the list,  please send an email to  [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe'  without the  quotes in the subject and the body of the  message **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in  just 2 easy steps!  (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=http: %2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) ------------------------------- To  unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]  with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of  the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list,  please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe'  without the quotes in the subject and the body of the  message **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

First the right spellings of the Towns for making your research easier: * Oberissigheim ist spelled correctly. It lays about 7 km north of Hanau and about 20 km east-north-east from Frankfurt am Main. * Kilianstädten lays about 6 km west of Oberissigheim In 1847 both towns belonged to the Kurfürstentum Hessen, a.k.a. Hessen-Kassel. Thus the Hessisches Staatsarchiv in Marburg (HStAM) is most likely having emigration records and may be further records of your ancestors.   Check HADIS (see earlier emails from myself here in this forum) for further information, may be you're lucky.   For the exact location of the two towns check Google Maps and then look at this historical Map of Hessen-Kassel: http://cgi-host.uni-marburg.de/~hlgl/atlas/id.cgi?ex=inhalt&lines=0&page=2&current=27&id=26   By pressing "Vollbild" below the thumbnail you will see it with high resolution. These historical maps may be downloaded as well.   On this same site (LAGIS) you can find tons of interesting historical maps refering to Hessen back from the roman times up to today.   Best regards,   Thierry   Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Dienstag, den 3. März 2009, 06:14:41 Uhr Betreff: [HESSE] Kahmer I found immigration information for my family in 1847 from Germany to Baltimore Maryland. Casper Kahmer born Oberissigheim Hanau Germany Elizabeth ? his wife and 5 children born Kilianstadten Hanau. Although I have been into Genealogy for some years just getting into the German side. What can I do with the above information. I do not live near an LDS site. Thanks for any help. Joan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I can't find my Peter Scherrer and his brothers who came over in the 1850's. I was surprised to only find one Scherrer name. Sue

I wish I knew the German language! I wonder what this means: NACHWEIS Gerstenschl�ger, Michael, Herkunft: Habitzheim. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1845-12 / Ziel: Amerika, USA. - Bemerkungen: mit Familie. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter M�ller 1845 Doesn't this mean Michael came with his family? He did not marry until he was in Ohio, USA. 3 of his brothers also came to America, but not at the same time. I believe he arrived here between 1852-1854, so does this mean he left Habitzheim in 1845 and maybe did not come to America until later? And what of the 'Walter Mueller'? Was he just the man who kept the record? Thank you so very much for the direction to this site...I hope I can become more proficient at understanding the records. I have many German families that I do not know much about. Thank you all, Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 1:49:05 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [HESSE] How to access Emigration records from Hessen Darmstadt on HADIS Hi all. There seems to be an issue with accessing HADIS through direct links. Best is to start from the root and walk through the different hierarchies. Here is the path to walk: 1. http://www.hadis.hessen.de 2. Enter "Auswanderer-Nachweise" into search field end press enter 3. Within the search results click "HStAD :: Hessisches Staatsarchiv Darmstadt" 4. Then click "Auswanderer-Nachweise" 5. Now choose the initial letter of the family name of the person you're looking for ... and Good luck !!! Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: greg & rae ryan <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Montag, den 2. März 2009, 03:19:52 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Thierry, I can't seem to access the direct link you have mentioned for ALL Hessen Darmstadt emigration records.Any suggestions. Rae Qld Aust. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Yes, I found it as well in the inventory within the HStA Darmstadt (HStAD): HStAD R 21 B So the original document you are searching is still available there (see the following link). http://www.hadis.hessen.de/scripts/HADIS.DLL/home?SID=F623-25A0FD4-C0A0E&PID=B0E2 @ALL: Here is the direct link to ALL Emigrationrecords from Hessen Darmstadt, so you can all search for your ancestors stemming from the former Grand-Duchy of Hessen (Hessen-Darmstadt) too: http://www.hadis.hessen.de/scripts/HADIS.DLL/home?SID=F623-25A0FD4-C0A0E&PID=2EFA Good luck, Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: Marie Van Laeys <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 26. Februar 2009, 16:35:59 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Dr. Dietrich, I found the following for one of my uncles: Identifikation Titel HORNUNG Heinrich, Herkunft: Grob Zimnern-Im. 1846-04/ ziel Amerika USA Alter/geb.$ (?) Bemerkungen: mit famile Ausgewandert, Quelle: Ausevandererkarei Laufzeit 1846 Walter Moller also at the same time Valentin Hornung Thank you for your help Marie Van Laeys ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Most likely in the Hessisches Staatsarchiv Darmstadt. You may be lucky and find summaries of documents online under http://www.hadis.hessen.de If you confirm me first name, last name, date and location of birth, date of emigration, etc. then I could have a quick look on HADIS online for you. May be you're lucky. Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: Cindy Phipps <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 26. Februar 2009, 13:59:21 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Thierry, would these papers be archived in the town/village of emigration, or in a larger, centrally located city? thanks! Cindy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt In earlier times the citizen of a country "belonged" to the souveraign. They didn't have a passport or the permission to leave the country. Thus they had two options, either breaching law by trying to illegally emigrate with the risk of getting caught and being jailed and the risk that staying relatives were punished instead. Alternatively you had to apply for emigration. Usually this included that you needed to pay a certain sum, so you kind of "baught" yourself out. These applications and their responses (they were not always granted) usually are still available in archives and may help you identify the origin of your ancestors. Cheers, Thierry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The files from the Electorate Principality of Hessen (Kurfürstentum Hessen) a.k.a. Hessen Kassel are stored in Marburg and are available through HADIS as well (Hessisches Staatsarchiv Marburg - HStAM). Just remember not all have been digitalised yet so you won't find all records in HADIS. Regards, Thierry   Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Dienstag, den 3. März 2009, 20:25:51 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] How to access Emigration records from Hessen Darmstadt on HADIS My immigrants came from Hessen-Kassel and Waldeck.  Are there similar  databases for those areas? Thanks. Brenda In a message dated 3/3/2009 8:13:33 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  [email protected] writes: Auswanderer = Emigrant Kartei = Card index Dr.  Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250  Usingen ________________________________ Von:  "[email protected]" <[email protected]> An:  [email protected] Gesendet: Dienstag, den 3. März 2009, 16:09:17  Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] How to access Emigration records from Hessen  Darmstadt on HADIS Thierry:  In the HADIS listing for my great  grandfather I found the  term "auswandererkartei".  Does it have  any special meaning?  Thanks  for helping me locate the entry  for Heinrich KNOBELOCH.  Cal  Knobeloch ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the  list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word  'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the  message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list,  please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe'  without the quotes in the subject and the body of the  message **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Gay, What newspaper are you talking about? what year? The only two people listed in the phone directory are as follows: Friedrich Leimkühler Veirtelsheideweg 71 47447 Moers Germany or Friedhelm Leimkühler Bagenweg 3 32107 Bad Salzuflen Germany I do not know of a surname spelt *Leumkheuler* perhaps someone else on the list knows of him? If you think either of the above people, Friedrich or Friedhelm surname spelt *Leimkühler* might be your man write to him. Otherwise let me have the name of the newspaper and publication details, Regards, Elizabeth At 06:08 PM 3/03/2009, you wrote: Wow, thanks Elizabeth....after all these years....I'm going to savour this search after dinner...which is about ready to be cooked... do you know what may have happened to Friedrich Leumkheuler who was at the time a newspaper Editor with contacts.... Thanks and Cheers Gay Hello Gay Follow same steps that Thierry gave you previously, except for step 3. click on "HStAM: Hessisches Staatsarchiv Marburg Good luck Elizabeth