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    1. Re: [HESSE] Help with last name

    3. In a message dated 3/22/2009 3:31:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: mennonite, And also many of them settled first in BW and Alsace and then came to the US. In NW of Ohio and Indiana with the Amish(Swiss+Germans) are many of them too. There is a website with all the different religions it is called Gameo.org/ Greetings Doris. **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)

    03/22/2009 09:50:44
    1. Re: [HESSE] Help with last name
    2. JK

    3. You're on the right vein now. Kitchener was called Berlin until WWI. There were many Swiss around the area but mainly the people were from Germany. New Hamburg is about 12 miles from there and the original settlers were mainly Germans from Pennsylvania, the original Pennsylvania Dutch of the region. Since they were mennonite, many of those originals trace their roots to Switzerland. They also went back to Germany and Switzerland to bring in more settlers in the 1830's. JK [email protected] wrote: > Ok,the city I remember now in Canada was Kitchener,Ontaria which had a > German name before. > And we heard they were of Swiss German descend,the whole region. > Also if is New Hamburg or Neu Hamburg,this might have been Immigrants from > Hamburg orig. > **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or > less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    03/22/2009 09:30:34
    1. Re: [HESSE] Help with last name

    3. Ok,the city I remember now in Canada was Kitchener,Ontaria which had a German name before. And we heard they were of Swiss German descend,the whole region. Also if is New Hamburg or Neu Hamburg,this might have been Immigrants from Hamburg orig. **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)

    03/22/2009 09:14:39
    1. Re: [HESSE] Help with last name
    2. Thierry Dietrich

    3. It is very common U.S. registrars left out letters when german immigrants said their names. They just wrote the name down as it sounded. If you pronouce Böbel it actually sounds like Böbl. I have got a friend who's ancestor's name originally was LEITZ and the U.S. registrar made LIGHTSEY out of it. It just sounded like that for him. Best would be to try and locate the origin of this family through immigration records in the U.S. or emigration records in Germany. Some emigrants could neither read nor write. Most could not speak english and thus rather kept quiet then starting discussions with the registrar on the correct spelling of their names. Also think of their emotional situation. They arrived in a foreign country, with no clear future and a lot of fear. They just took what they got, including the new spelling of their names... Regards, Thierry   Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: JK <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Samstag, den 21. März 2009, 17:08:02 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] Help with last name That would make the odds of finding the only other Bobl in Tavistock rather long. The Böbel name assumes leaving out a letter instead of merely choosing the wrong letter. And, I've never seen the name in the area. Closest to it locally would be Bubel. Since nothing is definitive, guess I'll have to somehow locate his grave stone. Thanks to all submitters Thierry Dietrich wrote: > Bobl and Böbl have only one single occurrence each on GeoGen for entire Germany. Personally I would guess your name comes from Böbel. This name has a bit more occurrences, but still is not quite frequent. > > The geographical distribution of this name may help you identify where your ancestors originally came from. Highest concentration indeed is in Schwaben and western Bavaria (probably Oberpfalz, not sure though). > > Check this link: > http://christoph.stoepel.net/geogen/v3/ > > Enter Böbel, press "Kartieren", then press for the relative distribution. > > Regards, > > Thierry >  > Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich > > D-61250 Usingen > > > > > ________________________________ > Von: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > An: [email protected] > Gesendet: Samstag, den 21. März 2009, 00:44:53 Uhr > Betreff: Re: [HESSE] Help with last name > > > In a message dated 3/20/2009 7:10:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  > [email protected] writes: > > "Bobl" > > >  in German this might be BOEBL oe ,the 2dots over the  Umlaut,(a,u too) >  Which might be of Bavarian or Austrian orig.?  Boebele  of swabian orig. > Just a thought.Doris. > **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store?  Make dinner for $10 or > less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >      >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/21/2009 09:58:02
    1. Re: [HESSE] Help with last name
    2. JK

    3. While that is true for many immigrants in the US, it does not hold true in most regards for the Waterloo region in Ontario, Canada. The original settlers came from Pennsylvania and retained their German heritage and founded their own German newspapers. Subsequent settlers from Germany who were enticed over by settlement companies such as the Canada Company, came with friends and relatives. It didn't matter how they were recorded at customs, if they couldn't write, friends could. Names were changed more as a convenience than a necessity. And, if looking at the early naturalization records of the 1840's, there were very few men who simply marked their "X". They could write their own names. Of course, many times the names written down in English beside them by the government official didn't match, but they knew their own names. In these obituaries, written in German by German editors, they would be careful to ensure the correct spellings. I could and have seen many problems in english language papers even in obits but the German papers were generally quite careful about getting the names correct. In essence, these people were not displaced persons trying to survive in an english community, they retained their own language and customs for years. It was non-Germans who had to try to fit into these communities. German was taught locally in the schools up to the 1890's and my own church in town retained special German services well into the 1960's. It only stopped because the new minister couldn't speak the language. A bit of a different circumstance JK Thierry Dietrich wrote: > It is very common U.S. registrars left out letters when german immigrants said their names. > > They just wrote the name down as it sounded. If you pronouce Böbel it actually sounds like Böbl. > > I have got a friend who's ancestor's name originally was LEITZ and the U.S. registrar made LIGHTSEY out of it. It just sounded like that for him. > > > Best would be to try and locate the origin of this family through immigration records in the U.S. or emigration records in Germany. > > Some emigrants could neither read nor write. Most could not speak english and thus rather kept quiet then starting discussions with the registrar on the correct spelling of their names. Also think of their emotional situation. They arrived in a foreign country, with no clear future and a lot of fear. They just took what they got, including the new spelling of their names... > > Regards, Thierry > > Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich > > D-61250 Usingen > > > > > ________________________________ > Von: JK <[email protected]> > An: [email protected] > Gesendet: Samstag, den 21. März 2009, 17:08:02 Uhr > Betreff: Re: [HESSE] Help with last name > > That would make the odds of finding the only other Bobl in Tavistock > rather long. The Böbel name assumes leaving out a letter instead of > merely choosing the wrong letter. And, I've never seen the name in the > area. Closest to it locally would be Bubel. > > Since nothing is definitive, guess I'll have to somehow locate his grave > stone. > > Thanks to all submitters > > > Thierry Dietrich wrote: >> Bobl and Böbl have only one single occurrence each on GeoGen for > > entire Germany. Personally I would guess your name comes from Böbel. > This name has a bit more occurrences, but still is not quite frequent. >> The geographical distribution of this name may help you identify where your ancestors originally came from. Highest concentration indeed is in Schwaben and western Bavaria (probably Oberpfalz, not sure though). >> >> Check this link: >> http://christoph.stoepel.net/geogen/v3/ >> >> Enter Böbel, press "Kartieren", then press for the relative distribution. >> >> Regards, >> >> Thierry >> >> Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich >> >> D-61250 Usingen >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> Von: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> An: [email protected] >> Gesendet: Samstag, den 21. März 2009, 00:44:53 Uhr >> Betreff: Re: [HESSE] Help with last name >> >> >> In a message dated 3/20/2009 7:10:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> "Bobl" >> >> >> in German this might be BOEBL oe ,the 2dots over the Umlaut,(a,u too) >> Which might be of Bavarian or Austrian orig.? Boebele of swabian orig. >> Just a thought.Doris. >> **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or >> less. 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    03/21/2009 07:57:43
    1. Re: [HESSE] Help with last name
    2. Thierry Dietrich

    3. OK, I am reading my email backwards. Now I have the context for both "Bobl" and Hamburg.  ;-) Here is the transcription of that text:                 Gestorben    Am 17. Februar in Tavistock, Friedrich Bobl, im Alter von 57 Jahren, 10 Mona- ten und 8 Tagen.    Am 17 Februar, Carolina, Tochter von Nikolaus und Margaretha Wetsch von der Holland Mühle, bei Neu-Hamburg, im Alter von 9 Wochen, an der Abzehrung. We neither have a Tavistock in Germany, nor a Neu-Hamburg.  My guess would be german emigrants founded a city Neu-Hamburg (New-Hamburg) in the U.S. and may be there is a Tavistock close to it as well. Hope that helps. Regards, Thierry   Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich Bartholomäus-Arnoldi-Straße 22 D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: Thomas Burton <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Freitag, den 20. März 2009, 23:29:19 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] Help with last name "Bobl" for mine.  I can't see anything but a "B".  Only troublesome letter is the "o", but it does seem to have a downstroke at 4 o'clock rather than a horizontal, so an "o" not an "e". Thomas ----- Original Message ----- From: "JK" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 8:49 AM Subject: [HESSE] Help with last name > Having problem with a last name shown in the first obit at > http://newhamburg.org/ads/obit.html > > Looks like Friedrich Bobl. May be Behl, Bohl, Bodl, etc > But none of these names are local. > > Suggestions as to the correct one? > > JK > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/21/2009 05:53:27
    1. Re: [HESSE] Help with last name

    3. In a message dated 3/21/2009 11:09:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Bubel. Ok,for sure in German this is an Umlaut orig.,this is in English ue.. **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)

    03/21/2009 05:50:55
    1. Re: [HESSE] Bobl
    2. Thierry Dietrich

    3. There is a city Bamberg in Franken, today nothern part of Bavaria. You may like to check that out too. Not sure about any context though... Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: JK <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Samstag, den 21. März 2009, 00:06:06 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] Bobl Incidentally, the "Bamburg" is actually part of the town of "New Hamburg" which is part of the reason. It's an "H" Thanks [email protected] wrote: > I'd question the "B", too.  It's written differently farther into the  obit > on Bamburg. > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219619459x1201345309/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID > %3D62%26bcd%3DMarchfooterNO62) >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/21/2009 05:41:02
    1. Re: [HESSE] Help with last name
    2. Thierry Dietrich

    3. Bobl and Böbl have only one single occurrence each on GeoGen for entire Germany. Personally I would guess your name comes from Böbel. This name has a bit more occurrences, but still is not quite frequent. The geographical distribution of this name may help you identify where your ancestors originally came from. Highest concentration indeed is in Schwaben and western Bavaria (probably Oberpfalz, not sure though). Check this link: http://christoph.stoepel.net/geogen/v3/ Enter Böbel, press "Kartieren", then press for the relative distribution. Regards, Thierry   Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Samstag, den 21. März 2009, 00:44:53 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] Help with last name In a message dated 3/20/2009 7:10:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  [email protected] writes: "Bobl"   in German this might be BOEBL oe ,the 2dots over the  Umlaut,(a,u too)   Which might be of Bavarian or Austrian orig.?  Boebele  of swabian orig. Just a thought.Doris. **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store?  Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/21/2009 05:39:22
    1. Re: [HESSE] Help with last name
    2. JK

    3. That would make the odds of finding the only other Bobl in Tavistock rather long. The Böbel name assumes leaving out a letter instead of merely choosing the wrong letter. And, I've never seen the name in the area. Closest to it locally would be Bubel. Since nothing is definitive, guess I'll have to somehow locate his grave stone. Thanks to all submitters Thierry Dietrich wrote: > Bobl and Böbl have only one single occurrence each on GeoGen for entire Germany. Personally I would guess your name comes from Böbel. This name has a bit more occurrences, but still is not quite frequent. > > The geographical distribution of this name may help you identify where your ancestors originally came from. Highest concentration indeed is in Schwaben and western Bavaria (probably Oberpfalz, not sure though). > > Check this link: > http://christoph.stoepel.net/geogen/v3/ > > Enter Böbel, press "Kartieren", then press for the relative distribution. > > Regards, > > Thierry > > Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich > > D-61250 Usingen > > > > > ________________________________ > Von: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > An: [email protected] > Gesendet: Samstag, den 21. März 2009, 00:44:53 Uhr > Betreff: Re: [HESSE] Help with last name > > > In a message dated 3/20/2009 7:10:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > "Bobl" > > > in German this might be BOEBL oe ,the 2dots over the Umlaut,(a,u too) > Which might be of Bavarian or Austrian orig.? Boebele of swabian orig. > Just a thought.Doris. > **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or > less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    03/21/2009 05:08:02
    1. Re: [HESSE] Help with last name
    2. Thomas Burton

    3. "Bobl" for mine. I can't see anything but a "B". Only troublesome letter is the "o", but it does seem to have a downstroke at 4 o'clock rather than a horizontal, so an "o" not an "e". Thomas ----- Original Message ----- From: "JK" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 8:49 AM Subject: [HESSE] Help with last name > Having problem with a last name shown in the first obit at > http://newhamburg.org/ads/obit.html > > Looks like Friedrich Bobl. May be Behl, Bohl, Bodl, etc > But none of these names are local. > > Suggestions as to the correct one? > > JK > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

    03/21/2009 03:29:19
    1. Re: [HESSE] Help with last name

    3. In a message dated 3/21/2009 7:54:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Neu-Hamburg (New-Hamburg) in the U.S You mean Canada,Thierry..the town close by has a lot of Swiss Immigrants settled there. Can't recall the name of the city right now. Been there after Toronto,Canada. It was mentioned on the obit web sites. **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)

    03/21/2009 02:02:26
    1. Re: [HESSE] Help with last name

    3. In a message dated 3/20/2009 7:10:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: "Bobl" in German this might be BOEBL oe ,the 2dots over the Umlaut,(a,u too) Which might be of Bavarian or Austrian orig.? Boebele of swabian orig. Just a thought.Doris. **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)

    03/20/2009 01:44:53
    1. Re: [HESSE] Help with last name
    2. JK

    3. Hi Henry Thought you were on vacation this week Is Bobl a real name? JK Henry Benoit wrote: > Bobl > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JK" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 5:49 PM > Subject: [HESSE] Help with last name > > >> Having problem with a last name shown in the first obit at >> http://newhamburg.org/ads/obit.html >> >> Looks like Friedrich Bobl. May be Behl, Bohl, Bodl, etc >> But none of these names are local. >> >> Suggestions as to the correct one? >> >> JK >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    03/20/2009 12:10:14
    1. Re: [HESSE] Bobl
    2. JK

    3. Incidentally, the "Bamburg" is actually part of the town of "New Hamburg" which is part of the reason. It's an "H" Thanks [email protected] wrote: > I'd question the "B", too. It's written differently farther into the obit > on Bamburg. > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219619459x1201345309/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID > %3D62%26bcd%3DMarchfooterNO62) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    03/20/2009 12:06:06
    1. Re: [HESSE] Help with last name
    2. Henry Benoit

    3. Bobl ----- Original Message ----- From: "JK" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 5:49 PM Subject: [HESSE] Help with last name > Having problem with a last name shown in the first obit at > http://newhamburg.org/ads/obit.html > > Looks like Friedrich Bobl. May be Behl, Bohl, Bodl, etc > But none of these names are local. > > Suggestions as to the correct one? > > JK > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

    03/20/2009 12:05:35
    1. [HESSE] Bobl

    3. I'd question the "B", too. It's written differently farther into the obit on Bamburg. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219619459x1201345309/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DMarchfooterNO62)

    03/20/2009 11:59:20
    1. Re: [HESSE] Help with last name

    3. Looks like Bebl, but I'm not sure about the "B" Friedrich Bobl. May be Behl, Bohl, Bodl, etc -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 2:07 pm Subject: Re: [HESSE] Help with last name In a message dated 3/20/2009 4:49:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Friedrich Bobl. May be Behl, Bohl, Bodl, etc JK: Under which date is the name? can't find it at all. Thanks Doris. **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/20/2009 11:12:38
    1. Re: [HESSE] Help with last name

    3. In a message dated 3/20/2009 4:49:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Friedrich Bobl. May be Behl, Bohl, Bodl, etc JK: Under which date is the name? can't find it at all. Thanks Doris. **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)

    03/20/2009 11:07:48
    1. [HESSE] Help with last name
    2. JK

    3. Having problem with a last name shown in the first obit at http://newhamburg.org/ads/obit.html Looks like Friedrich Bobl. May be Behl, Bohl, Bodl, etc But none of these names are local. Suggestions as to the correct one? JK

    03/20/2009 10:49:00