Viewing these records in Old German Script is likely the reason you didn't recognize the name. If you do a search for "Old German Script" there are several websites that show examples. The 'D' does not look like a 'D' (can't discribe), 'e' looks like 'n'; 'a' might look like 'ur' and the 'o' might look like a 'v'. I reviewed my films several times until I became familiar with the writing. I passed over my ancestors records at least four times. Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen Deao" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 10:17 AM Subject: [HESSE] Mainz, Rheinhessen, Hessen > Could someone please please help me with research in this area? > > JOANNES DEAO - Christened - 17 FEB 1809 Dom Katholisch, Mainz, > Rheinhessen, Hessen > > I am trying to get further information on this record that I found on > FamilySearch.org. I viewed the microfilm, and the spelling did look like > DEAO, which is extremely rare. I would like to find this person again in > Germany, but I didn't know where to begin. Thank you for your help. > Kathleen > Deao > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Nancy Thanks for your note. I agree the Old German is tricky, but actually, I DID recognize the name on the film. It looked right to me. What I hope to do next is find this person after his christening. Parents? siblings? emigration? I first found the Deao name in 1850 in Illinois, but Eli Deao was born in 1824 in NY. His father was from Germany, and his mother from NY, but I can't find his immigration, their marriage, and don't know the New York county. So I thought I'd try to research in Germany, but hardly know where to begin. Is there a Hesse sight that might give me some direction? JOANNES DEAO - Christened - 17 FEB 1809 Dom Katholisch, Mainz, Rheinhessen, Hessen Thanks again for your interest. Kathleen Gordon Deao

I don't have much information on Phillip Stumpf but in census he idenfies his birthplace as Hesse-Darmstadt. In other census he is reported as born in Germany. His NYC marriage record identifies his parents as Nicolaus Stumpf and Fredericke Eckert, and his birthplace as Zell, Germany. Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Stumpf Dear Nancy, I am definitely not descending of your Stumpf in NYC, but I do have that name in my AL indeed and we may have the same ancestors. My STUMPFs come from the Westerwaldregion, formerly Duchy of Nassau, formerly Principality of Wied-Neuwied, formerly County of Downer-Wied. If your STUMPF has the same origin, feel free to provide me all details you have, so I can check whether I can provide you more details. Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: pascalfl <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Freitag, den 27. März 2009, 12:18:46 Uhr Betreff: [HESSE] Stumpf Anyone on the list researching the name STUMPF? I have some information on a Stumpf family in NYC. Phillip Stumpf married Margaret Schachner in 1890 in NYC. Margaretha is part of my Schachner line. Nancy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could someone please please help me with research in this area? JOANNES DEAO - Christened - 17 FEB 1809 Dom Katholisch, Mainz, Rheinhessen, Hessen I am trying to get further information on this record that I found on FamilySearch.org. I viewed the microfilm, and the spelling did look like DEAO, which is extremely rare. I would like to find this person again in Germany, but I didn't know where to begin. Thank you for your help. Kathleen Deao

Anyone on the list researching the name STUMPF? I have some information on a Stumpf family in NYC. Phillip Stumpf married Margaret Schachner in 1890 in NYC. Margaretha is part of my Schachner line. Nancy

Yes it does. Us Germans love playing on words. German humour very often builds on playing on words.  ;-)   Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: JK <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 25. März 2009, 22:54:04 Uhr Betreff: [HESSE] Translation play on words ????   Have an interesting possibility for a German play on words. The original (a bit fuzzy) is at: http://newhamburg.org/ads/1.html The suggested translation is below: Oil companies in Shakespeare An oil company has also formed in our neighbouring little town of Shakepeare that intends to lay out a well close to the railroad. Shouldn't Hamburg also have a prospect to become an Oildorada? Is the intent of the word to suggest an "Eldorado" and would it be readily apparent to a German reader. JK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Don, hi All. Rohrbach is very likely to be a so called "Herkunftsname", i.e. "provenience name".  However, most will have that name not from a town, but rather from a creek. There is one town Rohrbach you can easily locate through Google-Maps in Thüringen, a bit east of the city of Suhl.  Interestingly there are hardly any people around with the name of Rohrbach. Although there might have been further towns with that name in earlier times this indicates it was not that town who has given all the Rohrbach's their name. Find a map here with today's distribution of the name Rohrbach: http://christoph.stoepel.net/geogen/v3/MapGateway.aspx?name=Rohrbach&target=DE&renderer=DE_DE&mode=rel Rohrbach translated word by word signifies "Tube Creek". However, what is meant by tube is reed which in earlier days was quite often growing at the boarder of natural creeks or small rivers.  So the correct translation of Rohrbach would rather be "Reed Creek". Such locations gave birth the name of Rohrbach rather than towns.  You find lots of creeks in Germany bearing that name. Hope this helps a bit. Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: Don Watson <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 25. März 2009, 16:16:44 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] HESSE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 59 - Berti, Bert, Starkenburg, Rohrbach Berti sounds right if they were from northern Italy, then France, then Germany. The Waldensee group was located primarily in Switzerland. Starkenburg was a region in southern Hessen. Today it is right on the border with Baden-Wuerttemberg. There are Rohrbach's all over the place in Germany and Austria. Maybe there is a Rohrbach between Frankfurt and Mannheim. Lots of Huguenots fled France to the Frankenthal-Mannheim region during the looooooong Inquisition. Mannheim was the home of lots of Hutterites. :-) Don ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

i'm not in on this conversation, but it is nice to know that that is where i got that tendency. love fiddling with words. :-) Thierry Dietrich wrote: > Yes it does. Us Germans love playing on words. German humour very often builds on playing on words. ;-) > > Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich > > D-61250 Usingen > > > > > ________________________________ > Von: JK <[email protected]> > An: [email protected] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 25. März 2009, 22:54:04 Uhr > Betreff: [HESSE] Translation play on words ???? > > Have an interesting possibility for a German play on words. > > The original (a bit fuzzy) is at: > http://newhamburg.org/ads/1.html > > The suggested translation is below: > > Oil companies in Shakespeare > An oil company has also formed in our neighbouring little town of > Shakepeare that intends to lay out a well close to the railroad. > Shouldn't Hamburg also have a prospect to become an Oildorada? > > > Is the intent of the word to suggest an "Eldorado" and would it be > readily apparent to a German reader. > > JK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Were the records in German or Latin? If in Latin, the "i" ending would be genitive case of "Bert", and the "y" a very strange but common variant of the same. So both would mean "of Bert". For example, in a baptismal record, you may get "Catharina Jois Berti leg. fil. ....", which would mean, "Catherine, legitimate daughter of Johann Bert". Is that at all relevant? Thomas. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Bert > > Deb, if you are the one looking for Bert, I was at the Family History > Center > today, researching the Mayen, Koblenz area, and there were quite a few > Berti > and Berty in that reel. Have you ever seen the name spelled that way? > > Ruth > > > > **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 > or > less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

Have an interesting possibility for a German play on words. The original (a bit fuzzy) is at: http://newhamburg.org/ads/1.html The suggested translation is below: Oil companies in Shakespeare An oil company has also formed in our neighbouring little town of Shakepeare that intends to lay out a well close to the railroad. Shouldn't Hamburg also have a prospect to become an Oildorada? Is the intent of the word to suggest an "Eldorado" and would it be readily apparent to a German reader. JK

Thanks Doris. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] HESSE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 59 - Berti, Bert, Starkenburg,Rohrbach > > In a message dated 3/25/2009 11:22:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > are Rohrbach's > > > There again the Hessen Archiv says that South.Hessen is settled too with > Austrian Luth. > Exultants,just like BW,before the Huguenots came in 1699. Doris > **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 > or > less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks so much! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caspers" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 4:20 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] HESSE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 59 > >> 1. Re: Bert (pascalfl) >> 2. Re: Bert ([email protected]) >> >> >> Starkenburg is an old name for a city near Bensheim. I'm not an expert >> - >> just going by my own research. >> >> Nancy > >> >> Hello Nancy, > > Starkenburg is more than a city near Bensheim. It is a district in the > Grossherzogtum Hessen-Darmstadt. > > Alfred > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks so much, I will enjoy looking this over. deb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Rohrbach Hi Don, hi All. Rohrbach is very likely to be a so called "Herkunftsname", i.e. "provenience name". However, most will have that name not from a town, but rather from a creek. There is one town Rohrbach you can easily locate through Google-Maps in Thüringen, a bit east of the city of Suhl. Interestingly there are hardly any people around with the name of Rohrbach. Although there might have been further towns with that name in earlier times this indicates it was not that town who has given all the Rohrbach's their name. Find a map here with today's distribution of the name Rohrbach: http://christoph.stoepel.net/geogen/v3/MapGateway.aspx?name=Rohrbach&target=DE&renderer=DE_DE&mode=rel Rohrbach translated word by word signifies "Tube Creek". However, what is meant by tube is reed which in earlier days was quite often growing at the boarder of natural creeks or small rivers. So the correct translation of Rohrbach would rather be "Reed Creek". Such locations gave birth the name of Rohrbach rather than towns. You find lots of creeks in Germany bearing that name. Hope this helps a bit. Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: Don Watson <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 25. März 2009, 16:16:44 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] HESSE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 59 - Berti, Bert, Starkenburg, Rohrbach Berti sounds right if they were from northern Italy, then France, then Germany. The Waldensee group was located primarily in Switzerland. Starkenburg was a region in southern Hessen. Today it is right on the border with Baden-Wuerttemberg. There are Rohrbach's all over the place in Germany and Austria. Maybe there is a Rohrbach between Frankfurt and Mannheim. Lots of Huguenots fled France to the Frankenthal-Mannheim region during the looooooong Inquisition. Mannheim was the home of lots of Hutterites. :-) Don ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Don! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Watson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] HESSE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 59 - Berti, Bert, Starkenburg,Rohrbach > > Berti sounds right if they were from northern Italy, then France, then > Germany. The Waldensee group was located primarily in Switzerland. > Starkenburg was a region in southern Hessen. Today it is right on the > border with Baden-Wuerttemberg. There are Rohrbach's all over the place in > Germany and Austria. Maybe there is a Rohrbach between Frankfurt and > Mannheim. Lots of Huguenots fled France to the Frankenthal-Mannheim region > during the looooooong Inquisition. Mannheim was the home of lots of > Hutterites. > > :-) > Don > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I found a marriage record today for Philipp "Amons" to Margaretha Pfleger in Bensheim, Hesse - 22 Sep 1857. I know from a previous birth/baptismal record that Margaretha is the dau/o Jacob Pfleger and Catharine Kramer. I also know that at least two of her siblings came to America. I found a Phillip Amman and Margaret living in Racine, WI in 1880 - both born in Hesse. Their oldest child, John was born in WI Mar 1870. I found this same couple in 1870 where it indicates Margaret was born in Hamburg. Margaret's age is close. There's a Phillip Amman that entered NYC Mar 1868 and Margaretha Amman NYC Jul 1868. Very well could be th same couple. I was wondering if anyone else was researching this family ? Nancy

To all of you who helped me with the surame of Barbara Schachner's husband, Philipp KRAUSS/GROSS I want to say thanks. I just found another record where the same writer wrote the name Klein and without a doubt, I know Barbara's husband was a KRAUSS. This writer's 'K' is identical. Thanks again. This list is great! Nancy

In a message dated 3/25/2009 11:22:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: are Rohrbach's There again the Hessen Archiv says that South.Hessen is settled too with Austrian Luth. Exultants,just like BW,before the Huguenots came in 1699. Doris **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)

Berti sounds right if they were from northern Italy, then France, then Germany. The Waldensee group was located primarily in Switzerland. Starkenburg was a region in southern Hessen. Today it is right on the border with Baden-Wuerttemberg. There are Rohrbach's all over the place in Germany and Austria. Maybe there is a Rohrbach between Frankfurt and Mannheim. Lots of Huguenots fled France to the Frankenthal-Mannheim region during the looooooong Inquisition. Mannheim was the home of lots of Hutterites. :-) Don

> 1. Re: Bert (pascalfl) > 2. Re: Bert ([email protected]) > > > Starkenburg is an old name for a city near Bensheim. I'm not an expert > - > just going by my own research. > > Nancy > > Hello Nancy, Starkenburg is more than a city near Bensheim. It is a district in the Grossherzogtum Hessen-Darmstadt. Alfred

Deb, if you are the one looking for Bert, I was at the Family History Center today, researching the Mayen, Koblenz area, and there were quite a few Berti and Berty in that reel. Have you ever seen the name spelled that way? Ruth **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)