On Fri, April 10, 2009 9:54 am, Thierry Dietrich wrote: > I presume Godfather is the person present at the baptism taking > responsibility for the christian education of the child, correct? > > In which case the situation is as follows: > > Your ancestor is the "Hochgräflicher Hanauischer Gärtner". I suppose the You're right it is an l. I guess I should have blown it up a bit more. The l seems to be a capital with a bar going through it, but on magninfication it is clearly an L. So that would make him the "High Count's landscaper/gardner"? > last letter is rather an "l" than a "t". It could be an abbreviation > scribble which make you think it is a "t". I can only judge if you provide > me with a scan. > > Further, according to what you write below the godfathers seem to be two > "Hochgeborene" Graf Ernst Carl & Heinrich Christian.  > > What puzzles me are the first names. They are not typical for the > Hessen-Kassel Dynasty and they cannot belong to the counts of Hanau > neither, which dissappeared after the last representative died in > the first half of the 17th century (your record is unlikely to be that > old). The Solms family also had other preferred first names, so there > isn't a good fit there either. Carle Christian Milde was born 14 feb 1725. Here's a link to the page which links to the graphic: http://www.amason.net/~brian/hesse.html I have seen a birth for a daughter with the countess title in Assenheim. Ameolia or something strange like that. But that may have been in the 1600s. The records go back to 1654. These sponsors may just be non-hereditary relations, in fact your response would seem to indicate they must. They would certainly have been born in the mid to late 17th century. I have only begun to explore this branch of the family. So my data is a bit sparse at this time. I do currently have the films for Assenheim 1654 to 1875. Two different copies in fact. There are several places which include information of the happenings going on and several royal births and deaths recorded. I've pretty much passed them over as the stories are way beyond my ability and the royals didn't really concern me. Although it all was interesting stuff, which I have considered snapping it for later use. If there is anything that you think I should look for to help resolve this, I'll make sure to snap it this weekend. I've never really troubled getting to know the royal lines, as I've really had no reason to chase after them. Although, I've recently discovered, thanks to you, it does affect the locals in various ways. Carle Christian Milde and Leopoldine Louisa Steffans are, Maria Dorothea's parents which I included in the picture. Dorothea is my G5GM. The father Johann Michael was born about 1690, based on his death record. Thanks again! Brian > > I cannot finally resolve these questions, as long as I do not see the full > original record and all information you have available. > >> Milde, Johan Michael  Hochgräft. Hanauischer Gärtner >> >> >> I get that he is a gardener from Hanau, but what's the qualifier mean? >> >> Also, his eldest son has godfathers listed as "Hochgeb. Grf. Ernst Carl & >> Heinrich Christian". >> >> This is in Assenheim, a home to some members of the Solms ruling family. I >> thought the "Grf." might be Graf? and Hochgräft. might mean a gardner to >> the Graf? >>

I understand.? Thank you. I wonder if anyone has any direction for me in my Rapp search.? I've researched then from the US back to Abenheim with the help of an old family letter that took me to?the church records in Abenheim, but?there is no mention in those records where they?were before then 1796.? Was there a pattern of migration at this time?? Should I look in neighboring towns?? Is there?another resource for?this time period?? Any direction would help.? Thanks again. Twila -----Original Message----- From: Thierry Dietrich <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:56 am Subject: Re: [HESSE] Rupp - Rapp Possible. You need to confirm this for your specific case in searching backwards for common ancestors. Regards, Thierry ? Dr. Thierry?P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Freitag, den 10. April 2009, 16:36:47 Uhr Betreff: [HESSE] Rupp - Rapp I have a question...Is there any chance that Rupp and Rapp could have ever been the same?? I have Rapps from Abenheim in Hessen Darmstadt 1796, and would love to know where they migrated to there from. Twila -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 9:57 am Subject: [HESSE] A question on surnames Should I consider Rupp as a separate surname from Ruppel? I have at least one confirmed case in this town where Rupel was used in naming a Rupp, but that could be an isolated incident. Thanks, Brian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A very badly written u or a could be interpreted as the other. Or an illegible page may lead to confusion. Even worse is if the a has an umlaut over it. What is the source of your data on the placename? My Rupps are from Assenheim, until you go back far enough, in which case I haven't yet figured out exactly where they came from, although I have clues. I believe I also have seen Rapps in Assenheim, and/or in other places in the German states. So unless you have actual source documents it is hard to say what your ancestors' names were, and even then the person entering the record may have gotten it wrong. Consider I have about 5000 records on my family, and if only 1 out 500 has a mistake in the name that would be 10 records with an incorrect name. the percentage is considerably higher than that, at least for the ones I can prove with certainty. the best proof is to gather as many sources as you can on a person, and rule out other explanations. I have persons who have gone through three or four different spellings of their lastname over their life (but most of them were French). Strange coincidence Abenheim vs. Assenheim. I have Rupps in Assenheim beginning in the late 1600s, and on in to the 1800s at least. But, I'm just beginning to work that line. On Fri, April 10, 2009 9:36 am, [email protected] wrote: > I have a question...Is there any chance that Rupp and Rapp could have ever > been the same?? I have Rapps from Abenheim in Hessen Darmstadt 1796, and > would love to know where they migrated to there from. > > Twila > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 9:57 am > Subject: [HESSE] A question on surnames > > > > Should I consider Rupp as a separate surname from Ruppel? I have at least > one confirmed case in this town where Rupel was used in naming a Rupp, but > that could be an isolated incident. > > Thanks, > Brian > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

I have a question...Is there any chance that Rupp and Rapp could have ever been the same?? I have Rapps from Abenheim in Hessen Darmstadt 1796, and would love to know where they migrated to there from. Twila -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 9:57 am Subject: [HESSE] A question on surnames Should I consider Rupp as a separate surname from Ruppel? I have at least one confirmed case in this town where Rupel was used in naming a Rupp, but that could be an isolated incident. Thanks, Brian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Should I consider Rupp as a separate surname from Ruppel? I have at least one confirmed case in this town where Rupel was used in naming a Rupp, but that could be an isolated incident. Thanks, Brian

What is "Hochgräft." an abbreviation for? Context: A name register in a church book Milde, Johan Michael Hochgräft. Hanauischer Gärtner I get that he is a gardener from Hanau, but what's the qualifier mean? Also, his eldest son has godfathers listed as "Hochgeb. Grf. Ernst Carl & Heinrich Christian". This is in Assenheim, a home to some members of the Solms ruling family. I thought the "Grf." might be Graf? and Hochgräft. might mean a gardner to the Graf?

So you obviously use Firefox, as do I But I suggest that blocking an ads directory these days is pretty simplistic. I'd expect more from a Firefox add-on. I don't use it because I don't have much problem with ads and Internet is my business. I'll still be setting up a test site for others this weekend and will hope to get some input. Trying to resolve problems with add-ons like Adsblock for Firefox simply can't be accomplished in a simple test site. We'll just try to help the average user who might have a problem posting inquiries on a graphic they have. I may even post a sub-system where people from the hesse list can post a graphic for a couple of days to do an inquiry. If that sounds like a good idea, let me know privately JK [email protected] wrote: > Wow! Absolutely amazing! My adblock software blocks it! Your directory is > called "ads" and so naturally, adblocker is thinking it's full of ads! > Which it is of course. lol! > > No I don't use Norton, I use Linux! > > Now I know how to view your posts about ads! Turn off adblocking! ROFL > > Brian > > On Wed, April 8, 2009 12:29 pm, JK wrote: >> I don't understand why there is so much trouble seeing simple pages. >> >> Solved Dr T's problem (I hope) and I've added an alt to >> http://newhamburg.org/ads/ad.html >> although that alone should make no difference whatsoever. >> Makes it difficult on a list if no one can see the posted graphic and so >> would be nice to get to the bottom of it. >> >> Have also removed the doctype and metatag >> >> If you can't see it now, I suggest you have a serious problem in the >> system setup of which you are unaware. BTW, are you running Norton? >> You may have a problem with the charset or 4.01 HTML >> >> I think what I will do this weekend is create a directory with different >> variations of the same posting. List members can then access the various >> graphics and ensure they can see them. >> I'll add a system so those who can't view them can indicate what OS and >> browser they are using. This would allow anyone who needs to post a >> graphic in future to use the proper format in order for all to see it. >> It will also tell those viewing the various formats exactly what their >> system allows and what it doesn't. >> Will entertain suggestions privately about what browsers, firewalls, and >> OS's to include. Need version numbers. >> >> >> Back to the business at hand >> >> Since this post, I've agreed with Dr T's suggestion that the squiggle >> was handwritten in afterwards, and I think it was to keep a local >> politician happy. >> >> JK >> >> [email protected] wrote: >>> I can see neither page's picture. Considerably strange as the page >>> source >>> is about as simple a page as can be. However, I've never been able to >>> see >>> any of your pages. I have to open the source, find the file name and go >>> directly to it. How about adding an "alt" to the next one. Not sure why, >>> but none of my browsers will display the graphics of your pages. >>> >>> However, looking at the character, I agree it is some squiggle meant to >>> mean something, as the character doesn't look like a typeset character >>> of >>> uniform make. It varies in width of ink (in ways a typeset character >>> wouldn't) and has some rather handwritten qualities to it's lines. It is >>> definitely not an i, o, u, j, s, or @, unless it has been written over >>> by >>> hand. I see no possible typeset character in it. Of course, it is a scan >>> and so, the resolution of the character may have suffered in the >>> scanning; >>> it is pixelated. >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> On Tue, April 7, 2009 2:24 pm, JK wrote: >>>> Thanks but that was resolved. >>>> >>>> There is another though at >>>> http://newhamburg.org/ads/ad.html >>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>> http://newhamburg.org/ads/1e.html >>>> >>>> (They are the same ad. I'm just curious if you can see both as I've >>>> changed the graphic name to help ascertain your problem in seeing the >>>> link) >>>> >>>> The problem is what looks like just a squiggle on the paper. >>>> >>>> The ad would make more sense if the squiggle behind the first name >>>> of "James Trow" is actually a symbol and stands for either Senior or >>>> Junior. >>>> >>>> Thierry Dietrich wrote: >>>>> Unfortunately I can't access the ad, the link does not work for me. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich >>>>> >>>>> D-61250 Usingen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> Von: JK <[email protected]> >>>>> An: [email protected] >>>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, den 7. April 2009, 14:44:18 Uhr >>>>> Betreff: Re: [HESSE] symbols in ad >>>>> >>>>> Interested in resolving symbols used in ad from 1855. >>>>> >>>>> Looks like an open "x" and appears after "Bench" and again later on, >>>>> although in the second pair, one looks like "cc". >>>>> >>>>> Is this short form for "etcetera" or "et al" >>>>> >>>>> Ad is at http://newhamburg.org/ads/1g.html >>>>> >>>>> JK >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

According to Thode's German-English Dictionary Solms - (Historic) County and Principality He then gave several examples Solms-Baruth - (historic) County, capital Baruth ... Ron Repking In a message dated 4/2/09 9:17:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: That was my thoought, but I'm curious why the writer put a period after Solms and before soldat? What might be the purpose of the period? Thanks for the answer, Brian On Thu, April 2, 2009 4:28 pm, Carl Becker wrote: > I think this is a soldier belonging to the Duke or Count or Earl of Solms. > In the pre-Napoleon time there where where several independent tiny states > ruled by different branches of the noble family of Solms. > > For those who can read Geman, here is another link to Wikipedia. > > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solms_(Adelsgeschlecht) I read the English version and then went to the German version to compare it last night. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)

Wow! Absolutely amazing! My adblock software blocks it! Your directory is called "ads" and so naturally, adblocker is thinking it's full of ads! Which it is of course. lol! No I don't use Norton, I use Linux! Now I know how to view your posts about ads! Turn off adblocking! ROFL Brian On Wed, April 8, 2009 12:29 pm, JK wrote: > I don't understand why there is so much trouble seeing simple pages. > > Solved Dr T's problem (I hope) and I've added an alt to > http://newhamburg.org/ads/ad.html > although that alone should make no difference whatsoever. > Makes it difficult on a list if no one can see the posted graphic and so > would be nice to get to the bottom of it. > > Have also removed the doctype and metatag > > If you can't see it now, I suggest you have a serious problem in the > system setup of which you are unaware. BTW, are you running Norton? > You may have a problem with the charset or 4.01 HTML > > I think what I will do this weekend is create a directory with different > variations of the same posting. List members can then access the various > graphics and ensure they can see them. > I'll add a system so those who can't view them can indicate what OS and > browser they are using. This would allow anyone who needs to post a > graphic in future to use the proper format in order for all to see it. > It will also tell those viewing the various formats exactly what their > system allows and what it doesn't. > Will entertain suggestions privately about what browsers, firewalls, and > OS's to include. Need version numbers. > > > Back to the business at hand > > Since this post, I've agreed with Dr T's suggestion that the squiggle > was handwritten in afterwards, and I think it was to keep a local > politician happy. > > JK > > [email protected] wrote: >> I can see neither page's picture. Considerably strange as the page >> source >> is about as simple a page as can be. However, I've never been able to >> see >> any of your pages. I have to open the source, find the file name and go >> directly to it. How about adding an "alt" to the next one. Not sure why, >> but none of my browsers will display the graphics of your pages. >> >> However, looking at the character, I agree it is some squiggle meant to >> mean something, as the character doesn't look like a typeset character >> of >> uniform make. It varies in width of ink (in ways a typeset character >> wouldn't) and has some rather handwritten qualities to it's lines. It is >> definitely not an i, o, u, j, s, or @, unless it has been written over >> by >> hand. I see no possible typeset character in it. Of course, it is a scan >> and so, the resolution of the character may have suffered in the >> scanning; >> it is pixelated. >> >> Brian >> >> On Tue, April 7, 2009 2:24 pm, JK wrote: >>> Thanks but that was resolved. >>> >>> There is another though at >>> http://newhamburg.org/ads/ad.html >>> >>> and >>> >>> http://newhamburg.org/ads/1e.html >>> >>> (They are the same ad. I'm just curious if you can see both as I've >>> changed the graphic name to help ascertain your problem in seeing the >>> link) >>> >>> The problem is what looks like just a squiggle on the paper. >>> >>> The ad would make more sense if the squiggle behind the first name >>> of "James Trow" is actually a symbol and stands for either Senior or >>> Junior. >>> >>> Thierry Dietrich wrote: >>>> Unfortunately I can't access the ad, the link does not work for me. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich >>>> >>>> D-61250 Usingen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> Von: JK <[email protected]> >>>> An: [email protected] >>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, den 7. April 2009, 14:44:18 Uhr >>>> Betreff: Re: [HESSE] symbols in ad >>>> >>>> Interested in resolving symbols used in ad from 1855. >>>> >>>> Looks like an open "x" and appears after "Bench" and again later on, >>>> although in the second pair, one looks like "cc". >>>> >>>> Is this short form for "etcetera" or "et al" >>>> >>>> Ad is at http://newhamburg.org/ads/1g.html >>>> >>>> JK >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

I don't understand why there is so much trouble seeing simple pages. Solved Dr T's problem (I hope) and I've added an alt to http://newhamburg.org/ads/ad.html although that alone should make no difference whatsoever. Makes it difficult on a list if no one can see the posted graphic and so would be nice to get to the bottom of it. Have also removed the doctype and metatag If you can't see it now, I suggest you have a serious problem in the system setup of which you are unaware. BTW, are you running Norton? You may have a problem with the charset or 4.01 HTML I think what I will do this weekend is create a directory with different variations of the same posting. List members can then access the various graphics and ensure they can see them. I'll add a system so those who can't view them can indicate what OS and browser they are using. This would allow anyone who needs to post a graphic in future to use the proper format in order for all to see it. It will also tell those viewing the various formats exactly what their system allows and what it doesn't. Will entertain suggestions privately about what browsers, firewalls, and OS's to include. Need version numbers. Back to the business at hand Since this post, I've agreed with Dr T's suggestion that the squiggle was handwritten in afterwards, and I think it was to keep a local politician happy. JK [email protected] wrote: > I can see neither page's picture. Considerably strange as the page source > is about as simple a page as can be. However, I've never been able to see > any of your pages. I have to open the source, find the file name and go > directly to it. How about adding an "alt" to the next one. Not sure why, > but none of my browsers will display the graphics of your pages. > > However, looking at the character, I agree it is some squiggle meant to > mean something, as the character doesn't look like a typeset character of > uniform make. It varies in width of ink (in ways a typeset character > wouldn't) and has some rather handwritten qualities to it's lines. It is > definitely not an i, o, u, j, s, or @, unless it has been written over by > hand. I see no possible typeset character in it. Of course, it is a scan > and so, the resolution of the character may have suffered in the scanning; > it is pixelated. > > Brian > > On Tue, April 7, 2009 2:24 pm, JK wrote: >> Thanks but that was resolved. >> >> There is another though at >> http://newhamburg.org/ads/ad.html >> >> and >> >> http://newhamburg.org/ads/1e.html >> >> (They are the same ad. I'm just curious if you can see both as I've >> changed the graphic name to help ascertain your problem in seeing the >> link) >> >> The problem is what looks like just a squiggle on the paper. >> >> The ad would make more sense if the squiggle behind the first name >> of "James Trow" is actually a symbol and stands for either Senior or >> Junior. >> >> Thierry Dietrich wrote: >>> Unfortunately I can't access the ad, the link does not work for me. >>> >>> >>> >>> Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich >>> >>> D-61250 Usingen >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> Von: JK <[email protected]> >>> An: [email protected] >>> Gesendet: Dienstag, den 7. April 2009, 14:44:18 Uhr >>> Betreff: Re: [HESSE] symbols in ad >>> >>> Interested in resolving symbols used in ad from 1855. >>> >>> Looks like an open "x" and appears after "Bench" and again later on, >>> although in the second pair, one looks like "cc". >>> >>> Is this short form for "etcetera" or "et al" >>> >>> Ad is at http://newhamburg.org/ads/1g.html >>> >>> JK >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I can see neither page's picture. Considerably strange as the page source is about as simple a page as can be. However, I've never been able to see any of your pages. I have to open the source, find the file name and go directly to it. How about adding an "alt" to the next one. Not sure why, but none of my browsers will display the graphics of your pages. However, looking at the character, I agree it is some squiggle meant to mean something, as the character doesn't look like a typeset character of uniform make. It varies in width of ink (in ways a typeset character wouldn't) and has some rather handwritten qualities to it's lines. It is definitely not an i, o, u, j, s, or @, unless it has been written over by hand. I see no possible typeset character in it. Of course, it is a scan and so, the resolution of the character may have suffered in the scanning; it is pixelated. Brian On Tue, April 7, 2009 2:24 pm, JK wrote: > Thanks but that was resolved. > > There is another though at > http://newhamburg.org/ads/ad.html > > and > > http://newhamburg.org/ads/1e.html > > (They are the same ad. I'm just curious if you can see both as I've > changed the graphic name to help ascertain your problem in seeing the > link) > > The problem is what looks like just a squiggle on the paper. > > The ad would make more sense if the squiggle behind the first name > of "James Trow" is actually a symbol and stands for either Senior or > Junior. > > Thierry Dietrich wrote: >> Unfortunately I can't access the ad, the link does not work for me. >> >> >> >> Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich >> >> D-61250 Usingen >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> Von: JK <[email protected]> >> An: [email protected] >> Gesendet: Dienstag, den 7. April 2009, 14:44:18 Uhr >> Betreff: Re: [HESSE] symbols in ad >> >> Interested in resolving symbols used in ad from 1855. >> >> Looks like an open "x" and appears after "Bench" and again later on, >> although in the second pair, one looks like "cc". >> >> Is this short form for "etcetera" or "et al" >> >> Ad is at http://newhamburg.org/ads/1g.html >> >> JK >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

The creditor's representative (son of Trow) states his availability for business, during his father's absence, above the creditor's (Trow) definite request for payment. The handwritten mark may include a lower case i or j, but I can't make up anything useful, English or German. Henry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JK" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] symbols in ad > It didn't look like it was printed initially so was ignored. > > However, the ad refers to the son assuming collections for the father. > > The appearance of the two names suggests they are both signing their > names to the ad. The son stating he is taking over and the father adding > his approval. > > Maybe the typesetter made up his own type face or used a damaged one. > > Guess it can't be resolved > > And since you can now see both ads, it means your problem is how your > browser accepts the graphic, not the link. > > The original graphic was labeled TrowOct11_1871_orig.jpg and I changed > it to Trow.jpg. > Appears whatever you are using will not accept graphics file names with > underlines included. > > Something to keep in mind > > JK > > Thierry Dietrich wrote: >> I can see both now, but I have no idea what that squiggle is signifying. >> Are you sure it is printed? It does not look like a letter or like any >> other printed character I am aware of. Could it have been added on the >> newspaper by hand? >> >> Apologies, >> >> Thierry >> >> Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich >> >> D-61250 Usingen >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> Von: JK <[email protected]> >> An: [email protected] >> Gesendet: Dienstag, den 7. April 2009, 21:24:38 Uhr >> Betreff: Re: [HESSE] symbols in ad >> >> Thanks but that was resolved. >> >> There is another though at >> http://newhamburg.org/ads/ad.html >> >> and >> >> http://newhamburg.org/ads/1e.html >> >> (They are the same ad. I'm just curious if you can see both as I've >> changed the graphic name to help ascertain your problem in seeing the >> link) >> >> The problem is what looks like just a squiggle on the paper. >> >> The ad would make more sense if the squiggle behind the first name >> of "James Trow" is actually a symbol and stands for either Senior or >> Junior. >> >> Thierry Dietrich wrote: >>> Unfortunately I can't access the ad, the link does not work for me. >>> >>> >>> >>> Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich >>> >>> D-61250 Usingen >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> Von: JK <[email protected]> >>> An: [email protected] >>> Gesendet: Dienstag, den 7. April 2009, 14:44:18 Uhr >>> Betreff: Re: [HESSE] symbols in ad >>> >>> Interested in resolving symbols used in ad from 1855. >>> >>> Looks like an open "x" and appears after "Bench" and again later on, >>> although in the second pair, one looks like "cc". >>> >>> Is this short form for "etcetera" or "et al" >>> >>> Ad is at http://newhamburg.org/ads/1g.html >>> >>> JK >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I agree, given the text of the ad, the only thing that makes sense is "junior". Carl Becker ----- Original Message ----- From: "JK" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] symbols in ad > Thanks > > Have another one at http://newhamburg.org/ads/1e.html > which initially looked like just a squiggle on the paper. > > But the ad would make more sense if the squiggle behind the first name > of "James Trow" is actually a symbol and stands for either Senior of > Junior. > > [email protected] wrote: >> Those are U's ... it is an English speaker placing a personal services >> ad. >> The u. u. means usw (und so weiter) or etc (et cetera) >> >> >> ************** >> A Good >> Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! >> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221421323x1201417385/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditr >> eport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooterN >> O62) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I can see both now, but I have no idea what that squiggle is signifying. Are you sure it is printed? It does not look like a letter or like any other printed character I am aware of. Could it have been added on the newspaper by hand? Apologies, Thierry   Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: JK <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Dienstag, den 7. April 2009, 21:24:38 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] symbols in ad Thanks but that was resolved. There is another though at http://newhamburg.org/ads/ad.html and http://newhamburg.org/ads/1e.html (They are the same ad. I'm just curious if you can see both as I've changed the graphic name to help ascertain your problem in seeing the link) The problem is what looks like just a squiggle on the paper. The ad would make more sense if the squiggle behind the first name of "James Trow" is actually a symbol and stands for either Senior or Junior. Thierry Dietrich wrote: > Unfortunately I can't access the ad, the link does not work for me. > > >  > Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich > > D-61250 Usingen > > > > > ________________________________ > Von: JK <[email protected]> > An: [email protected] > Gesendet: Dienstag, den 7. April 2009, 14:44:18 Uhr > Betreff: Re: [HESSE] symbols in ad > > Interested in resolving symbols used in ad from 1855. > > Looks like an open "x" and appears after "Bench" and again later on, > although in the second pair, one looks like "cc". > > Is this short form for "etcetera" or "et al" > > Ad is at http://newhamburg.org/ads/1g.html > > JK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >      >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

(This is a repeat of an earlier post today that seems not to have made it to the list) I posted to the list a couple of years ago that I had an emigration list from the 1960's done by a gov't worker in Germany. Because of the help I've had lately from various list members, I'm willing to do some more intensive searches in this 6,000 name list The towns are from the Alsfeld/Grebenau area as well as the Ziegenhain district. I WILL NOT do lookups for simple last names. You must have something to work with as the database is not easily searchable. You must have at least 2 people with something like birthdates, emigration dates, parents, kids, etc. I will be setting up a searchable database down the road to search last names but right now, to get a single last name search I need EXACT spellings with EXACT punctuations and that simply isn't a real possibility. So, give as much detail as possible about those you know came from those areas and send them to me personally. The areas I have are below. Keep in mind that smaller towns would have to go to these centers to register and that those leaving illegally won't be in my lists. Appenhain Heimbach Itzenhain Lischeid Moischeid Sachsenhausen Schönau Schönstein Sebbeterode Winterscheid Allendorf Ascherode Asterode Berfa Breitenbach Breitenbachn Christerode Dittershausen Florshain Frankenhain Friedigerode Frielendorf Gebersdorf Gehau Gilserberg Görzhain Großropperhausen Gungelshausen Hattendorf Hatterode Hauptschwenda Hausen Holzburg Ibra Immichenhain Kleinropperhausen Lanertshausen Leimsfeld Lenderscheid Lingelbach Linsingen Loshausen Machtlos Mengsberg Merzhausen Michelsberg Nausis Neukirchen Niedergrenzebach Oberaula Obergrenzebach Oberjossa Olberode Ottrau Ransbach Riebelsdorf Röllshausen Rommershausen Rörshain Rückershausen Salmshausen Schorbach Schrecksbach Schwarzenborn Siebertshausen Spieskappel Steina Todenhausen Treysa Wahlshausen Wasenberg Weißenborn Wiera Willingshausen Zella Ziegenhain JK

It's an interesting interpretation (a bit out there) but I don't think fits in very well for the time period I've seen dozens and dozens of ads of the area and never seen this before. Ampersands weren't used in any German ads I've seen Paper was expensive at the time and so word length was important. I still like Dr T's suggestion of a manually written adjunct after publication. Always good to see people thinking though. Shows a vibrant list community where you can get some good variations on input. Wish some of the other lists I belong to had even 10% of the input of this list. JK [email protected] wrote: > I admit I don't know that character but would interpret it as "@" > > Mr. So and So @ Shakespeare and the date. > > > ************** > A Good Credit Score is > 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221421323x1201417385/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2 > Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooterNO62) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Unfortunately I can't access the ad, the link does not work for me.   Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: JK <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Dienstag, den 7. April 2009, 14:44:18 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] symbols in ad Interested in resolving symbols used in ad from 1855. Looks like an open "x" and appears after "Bench" and again later on, although in the second pair, one looks like "cc". Is this short form for "etcetera" or "et al" Ad is at http://newhamburg.org/ads/1g.html JK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I admit I don't know that character but would interpret it as "@" Mr. So and So @ Shakespeare and the date. ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221421323x1201417385/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2 Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooterNO62)

I discounted Thierrys suggestion that the "squiggle" may have been entered by hand. I checked my records on the individual and he was a very powerful politician as well as businessman at that time. So I no longer discount the possibility that they may have made a manual correction to the ad. It would mean a few hundreds but not thousands so they may have thought the time investment to keep him happy was a wise move. Very interesting concept if true and a real rarity. JK Carl Becker wrote: > I agree, given the text of the ad, the only thing that makes sense is > "junior". > > Carl Becker > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JK" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 5:16 PM > Subject: Re: [HESSE] symbols in ad > > >> Thanks >> >> Have another one at http://newhamburg.org/ads/1e.html >> which initially looked like just a squiggle on the paper. >> >> But the ad would make more sense if the squiggle behind the first name >> of "James Trow" is actually a symbol and stands for either Senior of >> Junior. >> >> [email protected] wrote: >>> Those are U's ... it is an English speaker placing a personal services >>> ad. >>> The u. u. means usw (und so weiter) or etc (et cetera) >>> >>> >>> ************** >>> A Good >>> Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! >>> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221421323x1201417385/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditr >>> eport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooterN >>> O62) >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It didn't look like it was printed initially so was ignored. However, the ad refers to the son assuming collections for the father. The appearance of the two names suggests they are both signing their names to the ad. The son stating he is taking over and the father adding his approval. Maybe the typesetter made up his own type face or used a damaged one. Guess it can't be resolved And since you can now see both ads, it means your problem is how your browser accepts the graphic, not the link. The original graphic was labeled TrowOct11_1871_orig.jpg and I changed it to Trow.jpg. Appears whatever you are using will not accept graphics file names with underlines included. Something to keep in mind JK Thierry Dietrich wrote: > I can see both now, but I have no idea what that squiggle is signifying. Are you sure it is printed? It does not look like a letter or like any other printed character I am aware of. Could it have been added on the newspaper by hand? > > Apologies, > > Thierry > > Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich > > D-61250 Usingen > > > > > ________________________________ > Von: JK <[email protected]> > An: [email protected] > Gesendet: Dienstag, den 7. April 2009, 21:24:38 Uhr > Betreff: Re: [HESSE] symbols in ad > > Thanks but that was resolved. > > There is another though at > http://newhamburg.org/ads/ad.html > > and > > http://newhamburg.org/ads/1e.html > > (They are the same ad. I'm just curious if you can see both as I've > changed the graphic name to help ascertain your problem in seeing the link) > > The problem is what looks like just a squiggle on the paper. > > The ad would make more sense if the squiggle behind the first name > of "James Trow" is actually a symbol and stands for either Senior or Junior. > > Thierry Dietrich wrote: >> Unfortunately I can't access the ad, the link does not work for me. >> >> >> >> Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich >> >> D-61250 Usingen >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> Von: JK <[email protected]> >> An: [email protected] >> Gesendet: Dienstag, den 7. April 2009, 14:44:18 Uhr >> Betreff: Re: [HESSE] symbols in ad >> >> Interested in resolving symbols used in ad from 1855. >> >> Looks like an open "x" and appears after "Bench" and again later on, >> although in the second pair, one looks like "cc". >> >> Is this short form for "etcetera" or "et al" >> >> Ad is at http://newhamburg.org/ads/1g.html >> >> JK >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >